Jace's tip for marketing a solo girl site - Tip #1

[Jace]

With the recent explosion of "myspace" alternatives, it is important for those girls/webmasters to realize what an important tool they are for marketing yourself or your solo girl. They can be a lot of work at first, but once you get the flow down it is just another task to add to your daily routine....

My first tip is regarding comments. Everyone has seen that little space on peoples profiles where you can add comments about that person, you can actually add in html into your comments, so why not spice it up a bit and not only make the person you are adding the comment for happy, but also sell yourself?

Let's take xpeeps as an example since we have had tons of talk about it around here lately.

I run my wife Tabitha's profile, she responds to all the emails and posts in the forums and stuff herself, but I do the friend adding and extra stuff, just because she has no clue how to do much in html. When someone comes to ask me to be their friend I NEVER set the option to auto-approve, I wanna personally add each person...why though? Let me tell you my process...

I go to her "Friends Request" panel and see 15 people per page, so I right click on each friend and open each friend in a new window, so that I end up having 15 windows open. I then select the option to "Approve All (On This Page)", then I minimize or close the friends requests window, because I don't need it anymore.

Next I go to each profile that I have open in those 15 windows and select "Post A Comment". Then I enter 1 of 5 comments that I have created previously and keep in a txt document on my desktop...and each comment that I have created previously has coded into it a pic thanking them, my web address, my profile address, and a link to my auctions currently at estarbids

Want to see an example of the comment I leave? http://www.xpeeps.com/member.php?u=36633 ....you can't miss it, it says "wish you were here"

Once I see that window that says "thanks for leaving a comment" (or something like that) I close the window

every single person that adds me (over 700 so far) has that ad for 1. my wife's profile, 2. my wife's website and 3. my wife's auctions right on the front of the profile page...that is like 700 mini ads on a site that has over 60k members right now :)

it takes a few times to get it right, but once you do it takes about 30 minutes each day depending on how many friend requests you get...Tabitha is getting about 30+ friend requests a day, so that is 30 people a day that I am turning on to her site :)

[Sabby]

Thats awesome Jace. Yeah I know how it works im just still setting up my pages and my ads. Im going to wait to post the thankyou comments until my pay site is up so I have some actual use for the traffic.

Then I'm going to go crazy with it.

Myspace also has the addeveryone.com thing. I'm adding all the bands because I'm thinking mostly they are all over 18 and them and their fans will probably like porn girls and of course linking up with the other webgirls. After that I'll let all the horny guys trying to get laid on there find me.


Sabby:flash:

[Sabby]

Have you tracked your traffic from there to see if you are getting any joins?


Sabby:flash:

[Jace]

Have you tracked your traffic from there to see if you are getting any joins?


Sabby:flash:

I am in the process of it, I am using my nscash tracking code this month just so I can use the nscash.com stats interface to accurately track stats and stuff like that

I will be posting my result april 24th, that will be the one month mark from what I started using all the tracking codes

granted, I am not expecting to see many sales, we are using xpeeps for the branding and name recognition aspects of it...the more we get her name out there, the more of a household porn name it will be :) and everyone that remembers a name and likes paysites, will join eventually, but not always right away

[Sabby]

Well look at this nice comment I got on my xpeeps page already!

"Thanks for adding me. I'm really looking forward to the grand opening of your new site. My surfers are going to eat you up, should make us both a few $$$."

:okthumb:


Sabby:flash:

[Rcourt64]

Thats awesome Jace. Yeah I know how it works im just still setting up my pages and my ads. Im going to wait to post the thankyou comments until my pay site is up so I have some actual use for the traffic.

Then I'm going to go crazy with it.

Myspace also has the addeveryone.com thing. I'm adding all the bands because I'm thinking mostly they are all over 18 and them and their fans will probably like porn girls and of course linking up with the other webgirls. After that I'll let all the horny guys trying to get laid on there find me.


Sabby:flash:

Yup me to, Im waiting till Im done with my site rebuild, and plan on going off on xpeeps, then maybe work my way to qpeeps, depending on how it goes at xpeeps. hehehe :)

[Rcourt64]

And as for you Jace...?
3 words for ya,

YOU ROCK DUDE! :clapping:

Thats like the second or third time you've hook us up with helpful info.


Thanks man :)

[Jace]

And as for you Jace...?
3 words for ya,

YOU ROCK DUDE! :clapping:

Thats like the second or third time you've hook us up with helpful info.


Thanks man :)
more to come :)

[SirenaRose]

Good ideas Jace, thanks!

I have mine set to autoapprove right now, only because of the slowdowns and problems experienced in the first few months, it was difficult to get through all of the problems & slowness -- plus there wasn't an "approve all on this page" at that point. I'll probably pick a day to go through and add a special "Happy Friday" or some such message to everyone's posts soon, as I'm personally not a big fan of "thanks for the add" type messages.

The having five different pre-set comments sounds like a good way to go...

I think what I'll do is have several of them for the "friends" and then once I launch an affiliate program, send a message to my xpeeps...

Okay done rambling! :)

[Sabby]

Okay what is css?

"Post your own CSS here to modify the appearence of your profile. No HTML entered into this will print on the page."


Sabby:flash:

[Jace]

Okay what is css?

"Post your own CSS here to modify the appearence of your profile. No HTML entered into this will print on the page."


Sabby:flash:

take a look at my wifes xpeeps profile, see how customized it is? that is all done with css....xpeeps has a customizing xpeeps forum, and you can get all kinds of great tips and tricks in there, I am not sure if myspace does, but the same codes generally apply to myspace, they are just named differently

[Sabby]

take a look at my wifes xpeeps profile, see how customized it is? that is all done with css....xpeeps has a customizing xpeeps forum, and you can get all kinds of great tips and tricks in there, I am not sure if myspace does, but the same codes generally apply to myspace, they are just named differently

Okay thanks!

I just grabbed a myspace layout from pimp-my-profile but it embeds shit in your page. Myspace also doesnt have the customize layout section you just put the html in the 'about me' section.

I'll check out the forum on xpeeps and try and do it myself.


Sabby:flash:

[Jace]

Okay thanks!

I just grabbed a myspace layout from pimp-my-profile but it embeds shit in your page. Myspace also doesnt have the customize layout section you just put the html in the 'about me' section.

I'll check out the forum on xpeeps and try and do it myself.


Sabby:flash:

you can get rid of the embedded stuff in the profile

check this out

<a href="http://www.pimp-my-profile.com/"><img border=0 src="http://images.pimp-my-profile.com/support.gif" style="position:absolute;top:0px;left:0px" alt="MySpace Layouts"></a><Style type="text/css"> body{ background-image:url(http://images.pimp-my-profile.com/bgs/punisher10246si.jpg); background-position:Center Center; background-attachment:fixed; background-repeat:repeat; scrollbar-track-color:000000; scrollbar-face-color:990000; scrollbar-highlight-color:666666; scrollbar-base-color:666666; scrollbar-darkShadow-color:666666; scrollbar-shadow-color:666666; scrollbar-arrow-color:FFFFFF; } Table, Td{ background-color:transparent; } table table table{ width:100%; border-color:666666; border-style:Outset; border-width:10px; } table table table table{ width:auto; } table table table table, table table table td{ border-style:none; } body, div, p, strong, td, .text, .blacktext10, .blacktext12, a.searchlinkSmall, a.searchlinkSmall:link, a.searchlinkSmall:visited{ color:990000; font-weight:normal; font-style:normal; font-family:Helvetica, verdana, arial, sans-serif; } .orangetext15, .lightbluetext8, .whitetext12, .nametext, .btext, .redtext, .redbtext{ color:666666; font-size:18pt; font-weight:bold; font-style:italic ; font-family:Lucida Console, verdana, arial, sans-serif; } a, a:link, a:visited, a.navbar, a.navbar:link, a.navbar:visited, a.man, a.man:link, a.man:visited, a.redlink, a.redlink:visited{ color:990000; font-size:16pt; font-weight:normal; text-decoration:underline ; font-style:normal; font-family:Verdana, verdana, arial, sans-serif; } a:hover, a:active, a.navbar:hover, a.navbar:active, a.man:hover, a.man:active, a.searchlinkSmall:hover, a.searchlinkSmall:active, a.redlink:hover, a.redlink:hover{ color:666666; font-size:18pt; font-weight:normal; text-decoration:underline ; font-style:normal; font-family:Verdana, verdana, arial, sans-serif; } </Style>
<p align=right><a href="http://www.pimp-my-profile.com/">Myspace Layouts</a> by Pimp-My-Profile.com</p>

now see anything that is links to them? remove it so your code looks like this

<Style type="text/css"> body{ background-image:url(http://images.pimp-my-profile.com/bgs/punisher10246si.jpg); background-position:Center Center; background-attachment:fixed; background-repeat:repeat; scrollbar-track-color:000000; scrollbar-face-color:990000; scrollbar-highlight-color:666666; scrollbar-base-color:666666; scrollbar-darkShadow-color:666666; scrollbar-shadow-color:666666; scrollbar-arrow-color:FFFFFF; } Table, Td{ background-color:transparent; } table table table{ width:100%; border-color:666666; border-style:Outset; border-width:10px; } table table table table{ width:auto; } table table table table, table table table td{ border-style:none; } body, div, p, strong, td, .text, .blacktext10, .blacktext12, a.searchlinkSmall, a.searchlinkSmall:link, a.searchlinkSmall:visited{ color:990000; font-weight:normal; font-style:normal; font-family:Helvetica, verdana, arial, sans-serif; } .orangetext15, .lightbluetext8, .whitetext12, .nametext, .btext, .redtext, .redbtext{ color:666666; font-size:18pt; font-weight:bold; font-style:italic ; font-family:Lucida Console, verdana, arial, sans-serif; } a, a:link, a:visited, a.navbar, a.navbar:link, a.navbar:visited, a.man, a.man:link, a.man:visited, a.redlink, a.redlink:visited{ color:990000; font-size:16pt; font-weight:normal; text-decoration:underline ; font-style:normal; font-family:Verdana, verdana, arial, sans-serif; } a:hover, a:active, a.navbar:hover, a.navbar:active, a.man:hover, a.man:active, a.searchlinkSmall:hover, a.searchlinkSmall:active, a.redlink:hover, a.redlink:hover{ color:666666; font-size:18pt; font-weight:normal; text-decoration:underline ; font-style:normal; font-family:Verdana, verdana, arial, sans-serif; } </Style>

[Sabby]

Okay I painted my xpeeps page pink! I still have a few more things to change on it but I think I figured it out.

There is no way to change the pic gallery page?


Sabby:flash:

[Sabby]

Hmmmmm... I gotta get hooked up with that auto fan sign maker like Raven has that would be cool for personalizing the xpeeps and myspace 'thanks for the add' comments.


Sabby:flash:

[Jace]

Hmmmmm... I gotta get hooked up with that auto fan sign maker like Raven has that would be cool for personalizing the xpeeps and myspace 'thanks for the add' comments.


Sabby:flash:

well, if you are in jayman's program, his crew created it

but that won't do you anymore good than just opening an image in photoshop and throwing some text on it

[Sabby]

well, if you are in jayman's program, his crew created it

but that won't do you anymore good than just opening an image in photoshop and throwing some text on it

I guess that's true.


Sabby:flash:

[Rcourt64]

Good ideas Jace, thanks!

I have mine set to autoapprove right now, only because of the slowdowns and problems experienced in the first few months, it was difficult to get through all of the problems & slowness -- plus there wasn't an "approve all on this page" at that point. I'll probably pick a day to go through and add a special "Happy Friday" or some such message to everyone's posts soon, as I'm personally not a big fan of "thanks for the add" type messages.

The having five different pre-set comments sounds like a good way to go...

I think what I'll do is have several of them for the "friends" and then once I launch an affiliate program, send a message to my xpeeps...

Okay done rambling! :)

I personally don't like the autoapprove thing. You'd think me being someone thats trying to promote my site, I'd be adding everyone I can left and right.
But for some reason I'm just really picky with who I have on there, plus I truly dislike the "THANKS FOR THE ADD" crap that sometimes takes up half my profile with the pictures,ARRGGG I hate that...lol

But hey u BRAT>>> Put me on the list for your affiliate program when u get it ready, I'll be all over it :okthumb:

[Rcourt64]

All this talk about customizing CSS for xpeeps reminds me that guy Devious.
I haven't seen him in quite a while there, He was always great in helping people out with customizing there profiles at xpeeps. really cool dude. wonder what happen to him? anyone else know him? He just kinda dissapeared :( ?

[Sabby]

I'm starting to think that just a nice friendly text comment might actually be more efficient and get you more clicks to your page. They still see your pic in your avatar and will click if they want to find out more about you. If they see your add they already know your a webgirl and it looks like your just spamming their page.

Damn guys keep posting these huge dick pics all over my page (the pic is huge not the dick haha). It just messes up my page and annoys me.


Sabby:flash:

[Jace]

I'm starting to think that just a nice friendly text comment might actually be more efficient and get you more clicks to your page. They still see your pic in your avatar and will click if they want to find out more about you. If they see your add they already know your a webgirl.

Damn guys keep posting these huge dick pics all over my page (the pic is huge not the dick haha). It just messes up my page and annoys me.


Sabby:flash:

I get about 10-20 clicks a day to tabitha's site from the Visit My Website link that I leave in comments

remember, while you want them to visit your profile, the ultimate goal ALWAYS is to get them to the first page of your site

[Sabby]

I get about 10-20 clicks a day to tabitha's site from the Visit My Website link that I leave in comments

remember, while you want them to visit your profile, the ultimate goal ALWAYS is to get them to the first page of your site

I think I would rather they land on my profile page first. Its a little more personal and I can sell them on either my site, my movies, or my cam shows.

Or other things.


Sabby:flash:

[Sabby]

I'm getting alot of messages from photographers and girls who want to shoot with me.


Sabby:flash:

[Sabby]

You know what I hate? Always around Internext time you get these random emails from amateurs you've never even talked to before asking you if you want to hook up for a shoot. Which is the "professional" way I guess of asking someone to have sex with you. Its like a mass email spamming for sex partners.

That is just so icky! LOL.


Sabby:flash:

[Jace]

You know what I hate? Always around Internext time you get these random emails from amateurs you've never even talked to before asking you if you want to hook up for a shoot. Which is the "professional" way I guess of asking someone to have sex with you. Its like a mass email spamming for sex partners.

That is just so icky! LOL.


Sabby:flash:

why do you hate that? everyone has to work and they have to let people know about them some way or another....my wife and i used to send out a mass email to all the talent and producers any time we wanted some work

We still have girls to this day that email and ask if we want to shoot with them...just part of the business

it is the same as a producer emailing and asking for talent, but this is the talent asking for a producer

[Rcourt64]

why do you hate that? everyone has to work and they have to let people know about them some way or another....my wife and i used to send out a mass email to all the talent and producers any time we wanted some work

We still have girls to this day that email and ask if we want to shoot with them...just part of the business

it is the same as a producer emailing and asking for talent, but this is the talent asking for a producer

Ya, but how do you tell the diference between the "just wanting some" to the professionals ? or is that just part of the package?

[Sabby]

I guess I am just very picky and very paranoid about who I shoot with/for. I just find it weird. Maybe I am a prude or I'm just cautious.


Sabby:flash:

[Sabby]

Okay if girls willing to get naked are a dime a dozen... why everyone keeps seeking me out?


Sabby:flash:

[Sabby]

Some "webmaster support" guy from JasonandAlex was trying to solicit me and my cam girls a while ago to shoot movies for him - While we were working on cam for Interclimax he was spamming our chats. The company he worked for (he actually told me he owned the company) had no idea he was even doing this until it became big drama on Netpond.

Aga got mad and banned them from Netpond.


Sabby:flash:

[softball]

Okay if girls willing to get naked are a dime a dozen... why everyone keeps seeking me out?


Sabby:flash:

OMG....lmfao.....I can't believe you said that. You have sunk more sites than the German navy.

[softball]

I guess I am just very picky and very paranoid about who I shoot with/for. I just find it weird. Maybe I am a prude or I'm just cautious.


Sabby:flash:
And still broke.

[Sabby]

OMG....lmfao.....I can't believe you said that. You have sunk more sites than the German navy.

Yawn...

I thought we had a truce. Or did you just stop by to jerk off to my new pic?


Sabby:flash:

[softball]

Yawn...

I thought we had a truce. Or did you just stop by to jerk off to my new pic?


Sabby:flash:
Truce? When was that? Jerk off to your picture. Don't flatter yourself. Sabby, you will always be a wannabe in this business. You run a freeking webcam site out of your basement. That is about as bad as it gets. Hell, I would never shoot in my residence. That is just poor. Or maybe Edmonton chic. One year living in that city all most drove me to suicide.

[Sabby]

Truce? When was that? Jerk off to your picture. Don't flatter yourself. Sabby, you will always be a wannabe in this business. You run a freeking webcam site out of your basement. That is about as bad as it gets. Hell, I would never shoot in my residence. That is just poor. Or maybe Edmonton chic. One year living in that city all most drove me to suicide.

You however are a STAR!!! Your little peepee is FAMOUS around these parts!


Sabby:flash:

[softball]

You however are a STAR!!! Your little peepee is FAMOUS around these parts!


Sabby:flash:
Apparently it is. You see sabby. That is all you got. It is all you ever had. You damn sure never had an internet business. So what exactly was your point? Obviously you are outta gas again. You are living in Edmonton. I live on the waterfront in Downtown Vancouver. You do the math.

[Sabby]

Apparently it is. You see sabby. That is all you got. It is all you ever had. You damn sure never had an internet business. So what exactly was your point? Obviously you are outta gas again. You are living in Edmonton. I live on the waterfront in Downtown Vancouver. You do the math.

What does that have to do with your peepee?


Sabby:flash:

[softball]

What does that have to do with your peepee?


Sabby:flash:
Nothing. Should it? You got small tits. so what. You needed surgery and even that didn't help. Your best day out is shopping at the west edmonton mall. Fuck I would run long and hard before I would even consider that option. So wtf is your point. You need serge to rescue you. You always need someone to help you out. Don't worry, they will show up to save your sorry ass. You certainly can't do it on your own. Never have. Never will.

[Jace]

Okay if girls willing to get naked are a dime a dozen... why everyone keeps seeking me out?


Sabby:flash:
if you were a producer that would shot any hot girl they could find, wouldn't you create a "template" email and send it out to every girl you can find? that is what these people are doing, they create 1 email and paste into every other girls inbox they can, over and over again

[Sabby]

Nothing. Should it? You got small tits. so what. You needed surgery and even that didn't help. Your best day out is shopping at the west edmonton mall. Fuck I would run long and hard before I would even consider that option. So wtf is your point. You need serge to rescue you. You always need someone to help you out. Don't worry, they will show up to save your sorry ass. You certainly can't do it on your own. Never have. Never will.

Yeah I love being a girl. Life is so sweet.


Sabby:flash:

[softball]

Yeah I love being a girl. Life is so sweet.


Sabby:flash:
Sure. I have met girls that you wannabee. You just ain't it. LOL. Consider the sorry state of your life and the lack of success that you enjoy. You are nowhere close to a girl. You just read about them in Us magazine.

[Jace]

Some "webmaster support" guy from JasonandAlex was trying to solicit me and my cam girls a while ago to shoot movies for him - While we were working on cam for Interclimax he was spamming our chats. The company he worked for (he actually told me he owned the company) had no idea he was even doing this until it became big drama on Netpond.

Aga got mad and banned them from Netpond.


Sabby:flash:
spamming chats is wrong, but soliciting girls is not

you seem to be a person that is getting mad when people either
1. want to shoot with you
2. want you to shoot with them
or
3. want you to work for them
I am just taking this from our conversation here...and to be honest, that is pretty wierd...why would you get into the adult biz and get naked if you didn't want to be sought after? i can't count the # of emails, phone calls and even snail mail letters that my wife gets on a weekly basis trying to get her to work for them, shoot with them, or shoot with her...it is all just part of the game

[Sabby]

spamming chats is wrong, but soliciting girls is not

you seem to be a person that is getting mad when people either
1. want to shoot with you
2. want you to shoot with them
or
3. want you to work for them
I am just taking this from our conversation here...and to be honest, that is pretty wierd...why would you get into the adult biz and get naked if you didn't want to be sought after? i can't count the # of emails, phone calls and even snail mail letters that my wife gets on a weekly basis trying to get her to work for them, shoot with them, or shoot with her...it is all just part of the game

I didnt say it made me mad. I just said it was weird. Since I'm a random spam though I just ignore their email.

I do get mad when people try and bullshit me and tell me they are someone they are not though.


Sabby:flash:

[Sabby]

And usually if they find a girl who is on a site she is already under contract with someone else and they are trying to steal someone elses talent.

Use a talent agency.


Sabby:flash:

[softball]

Sabby has no idea of what she is talking about. Ergo this discussion is useless. Sabby is a wannabe web girl that has been around for a lot of years and has never made a pot to piss in. How the fuck can somebody that has been around this long be such a loser? Because she has no idea how to run a successful business on the internet. End of story. The best she can do is to, in her own words "be a girl". Well that and $4.50 will buy you a grande caramel macciatto at Starbucks. But it will not pay your rent.

[Jace]

And usually if they find a girl who is on a site she is already under contract with someone else and they are trying to steal someone elses talent.

Use a talent agency.


Sabby:flash:

everyone always tried to steal someone elses talent

every businessman tries to steal someone elses idea

every business tries to steal the better employees

welcome to the world of business

[Sabby]

Sabby has no idea of what she is talking about. Ergo this discussion is useless. Sabby is a wannabe web girl that has been around for a lot of years and has never made a pot to piss in. How the fuck can somebody that has been around this long be such a loser? Because she has no idea how to run a successful business on the internet. End of story. The best she can do is to, in her own words "be a girl". Well that and $4.50 will buy you a grande caramel macciatto at Starbucks. But it will not pay your rent.

Is there any point to you contantly harrasing me? Stop it.

Either he goes or I go.


Sabby:flash:

[softball]

Is there any point to you contantly harrasing me? Stop it.

Either he goes or I go.


Sabby:flash:

Sabby, you have been harrassing me for years. Get a grip doll. Don't do the girly thing when you run up against it again. You are a nasty piece of work. You have threatened me. You have dogged me. You have tried to make my life miserable by calling me a stalker when you harrased me no end. Now you have the audacity to whine like a child because it has caught up with you. I have never met such a loser on the net.

[softball]

Is there any point to you contantly harrasing me? Stop it.

Either he goes or I go.


Sabby:flash:

Oh yeah...cya.

[Rcourt64]

:winne01r: ???

[softball]

Sabby, the next time you can afford a greyhound to Vancouver, let me know. I will buy you a triple o at the white spot. No need to thank me. I will toss in a glass of merlot. That is pronounced mer-loh.

[softball]

:winne01r: ???
Nah she never wins. She just says "I am a girl" and some sucker comes to her rescue. She has history. Watch and learn.

[Rcourt64]

Ya, well both of you stop arguing, If she leaves Oprano, I won't have her tata's picture to look at anymore. :boohoo:
And I like seeing her avatar pics, hehehe ;)

[SirenaRose]

Wow, so uh...yeh...I've started my "spamming" process in the profile comments on people's pages...We'll see where that gets me. I've only done lik 2 pages worth of friends, and haven't even begun on the xpeeps -- but those I'm saving for more the affiliate program than just "cum join my site" type stuff...

And...back to the real world/discussion, please? Geeezus...Get a room you two and get it over with, already!

[Jace]

Wow, so uh...yeh...I've started my "spamming" process in the profile comments on people's pages...We'll see where that gets me. I've only done lik 2 pages worth of friends, and haven't even begun on the xpeeps -- but those I'm saving for more the affiliate program than just "cum join my site" type stuff...

And...back to the real world/discussion, please? Geeezus...Get a room you two and get it over with, already!

If you are working with myspace, there is a MUCH easier process

http://www.adderrobot.com

you just set what you want your shit to say and it hit go, and it does it all for you...I add approx 500 friends a day, send out 200 messages a day and leave 150 comments a day...and all I do is hit "go", i don't even have to watch it

[SirenaRose]

No, I don't like myspace. I'm just working on xpeeps.com When I said "I'll hit my xpeeps soon as I get the affiliate thing going" I mean the industry list, not the actually site... :)

[Rcourt64]

No, I don't like myspace. I'm just working on xpeeps.com When I said "I'll hit my xpeeps soon as I get the affiliate thing going" I mean the industry list, not the actually site... :)

How long on Affiliate progarm please?, if you don't mind me asking :)

[SirenaRose]

LOL Rcourt -- I dunno...I've gotta work on a few things and get the affiliate program set up -- PLUS I gotta make it so that there is a leak free tour for that, and get some more help from a certain donut-gobblin' fur-coat wearin' person around here first...But before I can do that, I gotta get done bleeding so that I can borrow a camera to do some vids! hehe.

So I'm probably looking at a good 3-6 months before I launch an affiliate program. Plus I want to have my site to my satisfaction before I do that -- Just like I'm hesitant to put my site out there to review sites yet, because I'm not happy with it - I don't want to get a bad review to start things off with, ya know? Don't worry sweetie, you'll be the first to know -- well other than those who are helping me set it up... ;)

[chronic avenger]

good read.. helpfull as allways!