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TheEnforcer
03-07-2006, 03:48 PM
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/03/07/D8G6U2KO8.html

Number of Illegal Immigrants Hits 12M
Mar 07 2:38 PM US/Eastern
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By STEPHEN OHLEMACHER
Associated Press Writer


WASHINGTON


The number of illegal immigrants in the United States has grown to as many as 12 million, and they now account for about one in every 20 workers, a new estimate says.

Efforts to curb illegal immigration have not slowed the pace, said a report Tuesday by the Pew Hispanic Center.

Instead, the report's author said, those efforts are having an unintended consequence: People who illegally enter the United States from Mexico are staying longer because it is harder to move back and forth across the border.

"The security has done more to keep people from going back to Mexico than it has to keep them from coming in," said Jeffrey Passel, a senior research associate at the center.

It is difficult to accurately measure the number of illegal immigrants in the United States, but most public agencies and private groups had settled on a figure of about 11 million.

The Pew Hispanic Center used Census Bureau data to estimate that the United States had 11.1 million illegal immigrants in March 2005. The center used monthly population estimates to project a current total of 11.5 million to 12 million.

The report estimates that 850,000 illegal immigrants have arrived in United States each year since 2000.

President Bush has called for a program that would grant temporary worker status to illegal immigrants already here. The House rejected the program and instead passed a border security bill last year that leaned toward lawmakers who were calling for a crackdown.

The Senate is trying to address both border security and the temporary worker program, but consensus has been elusive. Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter, R-Pa., has said he hopes his panel will produce a bill by the end of March.

There are about 7.2 million undocumented workers in the U.S., or about 5 percent of the country's work force, the Pew report said.

It estimated that illegal immigrants fill a quarter of all agricultural jobs, 17 percent of office and house cleaning positions, 14 percent of construction jobs and 12 percent in food preparation.

"Especially if we look at the Mexicans, these are people with fairly low levels of formal education," Passel said. "They're not able to get licensing or credentials in the United States because of their status, so the kinds of jobs available to them in the United States are somewhat limited."

Business leaders and advocates for immigrants' rights argue that America's economy would collapse if all the illegal workers were deported.

"Undocumented immigrants do pay taxes, and they do contribute to the economic, social and cultural developments of their communities," said Peta Ikambana of the American Friends Service Committee. The group was organizing a rally near the Capitol on Tuesday to protest the House bill.

"Just building walls will not stop immigration," Ikambana said. "Those that are here will just go underground."

Steven Camarota of the Center for Immigration Studies, which advocates tougher border enforcement, said he isn't surprised that the number of illegal immigrants continues to climb. He called the government's crackdown halfhearted at best.

Camarota pointed to a recent government report showing that very few businesses are fined for hiring illegal immigrants. The government filed only three notices that it intended to fine companies in 2004, down from 417 notices in 1999, according to a report by the Government Accountability Office.

Camarota said there would be plenty of Americans willing to accept jobs done by illegal immigrants if they paid adequate wages and benefits.

Tuesday's report by the Pew Hispanic Center said Mexicans make up 56 percent of illegal immigrants. An additional 22 percent come from other Latin American countries, mainly in Central America. About 13 percent are from Asia, and Europe and Canada combine for 6 percent.
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And it obviously varies greatly from state to state even though it has a nationwide impact. States like California, Texas, Arizone, etc are affected much more so than say Michigan, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, South Dakota, etc are. Scary to think what the rate is on those border states.

Vendzilla
03-07-2006, 11:35 PM
that's just wrong! And scary!

Sin
03-08-2006, 01:10 AM
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/03/07/D8G6U2KO8.html

Number of Illegal Immigrants Hits 12M
Mar 07 2:38 PM US/Eastern
Email this story

By STEPHEN OHLEMACHER
Associated Press Writer


WASHINGTON


The number of illegal immigrants in the United States has grown to as many as 12 million, and they now account for about one in every 20 workers, a new estimate says.

Efforts to curb illegal immigration have not slowed the pace, said a report Tuesday by the Pew Hispanic Center.

Instead, the report's author said, those efforts are having an unintended consequence: People who illegally enter the United States from Mexico are staying longer because it is harder to move back and forth across the border.

"The security has done more to keep people from going back to Mexico than it has to keep them from coming in," said Jeffrey Passel, a senior research associate at the center.

It is difficult to accurately measure the number of illegal immigrants in the United States, but most public agencies and private groups had settled on a figure of about 11 million.

The Pew Hispanic Center used Census Bureau data to estimate that the United States had 11.1 million illegal immigrants in March 2005. The center used monthly population estimates to project a current total of 11.5 million to 12 million.

The report estimates that 850,000 illegal immigrants have arrived in United States each year since 2000.

President Bush has called for a program that would grant temporary worker status to illegal immigrants already here. The House rejected the program and instead passed a border security bill last year that leaned toward lawmakers who were calling for a crackdown.

The Senate is trying to address both border security and the temporary worker program, but consensus has been elusive. Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter, R-Pa., has said he hopes his panel will produce a bill by the end of March.

There are about 7.2 million undocumented workers in the U.S., or about 5 percent of the country's work force, the Pew report said.

It estimated that illegal immigrants fill a quarter of all agricultural jobs, 17 percent of office and house cleaning positions, 14 percent of construction jobs and 12 percent in food preparation.

"Especially if we look at the Mexicans, these are people with fairly low levels of formal education," Passel said. "They're not able to get licensing or credentials in the United States because of their status, so the kinds of jobs available to them in the United States are somewhat limited."

Business leaders and advocates for immigrants' rights argue that America's economy would collapse if all the illegal workers were deported.

"Undocumented immigrants do pay taxes, and they do contribute to the economic, social and cultural developments of their communities," said Peta Ikambana of the American Friends Service Committee. The group was organizing a rally near the Capitol on Tuesday to protest the House bill.

"Just building walls will not stop immigration," Ikambana said. "Those that are here will just go underground."

Steven Camarota of the Center for Immigration Studies, which advocates tougher border enforcement, said he isn't surprised that the number of illegal immigrants continues to climb. He called the government's crackdown halfhearted at best.

Camarota pointed to a recent government report showing that very few businesses are fined for hiring illegal immigrants. The government filed only three notices that it intended to fine companies in 2004, down from 417 notices in 1999, according to a report by the Government Accountability Office.

Camarota said there would be plenty of Americans willing to accept jobs done by illegal immigrants if they paid adequate wages and benefits.

Tuesday's report by the Pew Hispanic Center said Mexicans make up 56 percent of illegal immigrants. An additional 22 percent come from other Latin American countries, mainly in Central America. About 13 percent are from Asia, and Europe and Canada combine for 6 percent.
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And it obviously varies greatly from state to state even though it has a nationwide impact. States like California, Texas, Arizone, etc are affected much more so than say Michigan, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, South Dakota, etc are. Scary to think what the rate is on those border states.

This article... (I'm buzzed) has me shaking my head a little bit... but I'm bored & so I'm going to reply. :)

I think probably the most important sentence/paragraph in that entire article that really jumps out to me, is this one...

Camarota said there would be plenty of Americans willing to accept jobs done by illegal immigrants if they paid adequate wages and benefits.

That right there, is (from my seat at least) the driving reasoning behind why Washington would wish to curb illegal immigrant levels... because just think of the amount of income tax they're missing out on by having THAT many people working under the table!

Not only that, but the adequate wages & benefits... those right there are why these jobs usually go to illegal immigrants, are they not? So that they can pay these individuals under the table, therefore not really having to follow any state or federal regulations on minimum wage/treatment of workers, and the workers can't very well complain otherwise they'll be "found out" as illegal immigrants, and then deported!

As far as companies getting fined... perhaps companies are getting smarter about hiring illegal immigrants? Those numbers mean nothing, really. It could mean that fewer companies will hire illegal immigrants, so naturally fewer get fined. Or it could mean that the government has been slacking in finding out which companies do, so fewer get fined. Or it could mean that 3 of 3 companies got fined, as opposed to 417 in ...oh... say, 834 companies. So instead of only 50% of companies getting fined, 100% now are, (therefore there are fewer) ...*scrolls back up*

I'm not sure about the concept of America's economy collapsing, if all of the illegal immigrants were deported. Lets see what would happen, (in my head, at least.) Illegally filled positions, would have to be filled by American citizens. Human rights & regulations would have to be met, in regards to harassment, minimum wages, etc etc. Fewer people would be homeless or living off the system, freeing up federal & state resources to go towards more progressive things. More income tax would be paid by ppl who actually HAVE SSN's, increasing the amount of money flowing into the federal funds. (and at this point, honestly, it sounds like they need it) As a result of all of the above, the quality of life, overall, *should* increase.

Because I like to see things from all sides of the coin, however, I am going to take a quick peek from the other side. Instead of the above happening, what would happen is the same amount of people would remain on income assistance/welfare/other social services, they wouldn't get off their asses & do shit all because most of them are lazy fucks which is why they're there in the first place, (emphasis on MOST, not all) large corporations would wish to pinch pennies wherever possible, and outsourcing would boom, and all the money that potentially *could* go to the American citizens who *are* willing to work & are looking for work, would be unavailable to them anyways and they'd continue to be a drain on the social services & if I'm thinking straight [its possible I'm not] then any income tax paid, by these outsourced workers, would be going to the federal gov'ts of their respective countries.

Steven Camarota's numbers are insignificant, without a ratio comparison to set those numbers up against. If today the federal gov't is fining 3 of 3 companies, at a 100% ratio, versus a 417 of 834 companies at a 50% ratio, then obviously the 'crackdown' has not been halfhearted at all and has had a big impact.

Hmmm....*re-reads again quick*

I would call it a stretch to say that America's economy would "collapse" if all the illegal aliens were deported. It wouldn't necessarily be a positive effect for the first few years though, no... because while those illegal immigrants are living & working in the US, they are also spending their wages in the US & their money goes to the US gov't in taxes on whatever they purchase. Now i'm curious about what the numbers are like on outsourcing... because outsourced employees both pay income taxes to their own federal gov't, as well as spend their money on items in their own country & end up paying further taxes (most likely) again, to their own federal gov't... Example, a few years ago I worked for a call centre that was based out of the US, and my income tax went to Canada, and anything I purchased here in Canada that had taxes on it, also went to Canada, so it must've been one hefty discount for the US company to outsource, rather than pay Americans.... Granted the currency conversion then was also a lot different than it is today...

Interesting article, overall! :)

Dravyk
03-08-2006, 03:49 AM
I'm not sure about the concept of America's economy collapsing, if all of the illegal immigrants were deported. I'm with you. 1 in 20 means 5%. That's 5% more that could be in national tax coffers ...

For which Bush could then start a war in yet another country and spend 5000% more of from. :blink: