View Full Version : How fucking sad is today's webmaster
Anthony
12-13-2005, 10:08 AM
I just read on GFY a thread about Newbies dont' give up. Thread started throws up his stats saying how happy he is making a little over 100 bucks in his first month.
I almost threw up.
Today's webmaster is an emtpy shell of what we were pre 2000.
What do you think are causes?
My list:
1. Pie is smaller
2. Noobs want everything
3. Noobs don't want to learn anything
4. Nothing is new in this industy
Mike AI
12-13-2005, 10:10 AM
People who come to the party late are left with crumbs.
Anthony
12-13-2005, 10:17 AM
People who come to the party late are left with crumbs.
:-pearl:
Nickatilynx
12-13-2005, 10:24 AM
Plus...the average newbie inour day did not do very good.
We remember the ones that did well at it.Like us.And the ones who just won't leave and get a real job , like Dravyk ;-)))
Peaches
12-13-2005, 10:36 AM
Damn, I always made on the low end of $$$ and I made $2K my first month :( And that was profit.
And I agree with all 4 of your causes.
I just read on GFY a thread about Newbies dont' give up. Thread started throws up his stats saying how happy he is making a little over 100 bucks in his first month.
I almost threw up.
Today's webmaster is an emtpy shell of what we were pre 2000.
What do you think are causes?
My list:
1. Pie is smaller
2. Noobs want everything
3. Noobs don't want to learn anything
4. Nothing is new in this industy
Those are all valid points. I think 2 and 3 are the biggest reasons. Add to that, the fact that they don't go into this thinking it's a business and one has to work at it to make money. And because the pie is smaller and surfers are a little smarter these days, one has to work a little smarter and a little harder to get started. Those that are looking for beer money are quite happy with $100/month, so why bother working at it.
DrGuile
12-13-2005, 10:53 AM
the slices are smaller....
if anything, the pie is bigger...
LadyMischief
12-13-2005, 11:20 AM
There's lots of market left.. but these newbies want everything, hosted galleries, hosted freesites, free content, free this and free ipods to top it all off. SMART programs would do better to move away from that and find ways to push their own traffic again. These days affiliates are almost a liability in some cases, at least from what I see, and there's umpteen better systems already in place. Most people are afraid of change though.
Newton
12-13-2005, 11:24 AM
My cleaning lady just said that she can't take the cut in wages to go into adult as a newbie ;)
There does seem to be inherent expectations that everyone should give out secrets, knowledge and skills for free. It does the beg the question: "Why the fuck should anyone?"
Anthony
12-13-2005, 11:35 AM
My cleaning lady just said that she can't take the cut in wages to go into adult as a newbie ;)
There does seem to be inherent expectations that everyone should give out secrets, knowledge and skills for free. It does the beg the question: "Why the fuck should anyone?"
Funny enough, Nick and I were involved in a thread about that over on GFY. I got numerous icq's from ppl wanting to get in on it. Even AFTER I posted that the quickest way to lose money on the web is to let everyone in on the secret.
Nickatilynx
12-13-2005, 11:41 AM
Amen brother.
Dumbest thing I ever did was tell Meat the "avs trick".
Might just have well have told Reuters.
Now I play my cards closer to my chest....
Different time....
Plus to be honest the old influx of webmasters were a nicer better bunch.The new ones are wiggas or dopey stupid twats who think they can make a fortune from this business but just really don't have a clue.
Fun watching though :)
NickJ
12-13-2005, 11:53 AM
Interesting how everyone has his or her own perspective. I have been selling video content to webmasters for over 6 years now, I have had pay sites and I see that there are just not that many newbies and less veterans in the biz today. WHY? The subscription model where a user has to buy a membership, gets rebilled automatically, has to remember to cancel, and all that crap has killed this business.
If you are a newbie and you have the best site you can possibly make and you have to hook up with ccbill, ibill or another one of those things I think you are doomed. Where is it going? Pay per view or pay per download or whatever you call it. But even that pay per view crap is still shitty because you still have to give a lot of personal information and have to "FUND" an account and that usually costs about 20 bucks and then you get ripped off because you usually don't get all the mins you paid for.
The customer of the future is that guy that just wants to pay a little and get a little and leave. There are hundreds of millions of guys that don't want to JOIN a pay site and OWN a stupid membership but just want to view maybe one video for lets say one dollar. Why do you think password sites and stealing is such a success? NOBODY WANTS TO JOIN AND BUY MEMBERSHIPS anymore and anyone that thinks otherwise has his or her head in the sand.
Make the videos easy and inexpensive to get and it won't be worth anyone’s time to steal them. Look at what Google just did with Fox. Now you can watch old re runs of citcoms for just 99cents each. This is the future and until the rest of you come up with a better billiing method I think most pay sites will die All but the biggest are doomed. But AHHH, what about the poor affiliates? How the hell are you going to pay them when a guy buys one video for one dollar and leaves? Better wake up because the affiliate model as we know it is going to be a thing of the past. Affiliates are going to be happy with making less but still making something. All this is inevitable. In about two weeks I will have a new pay site with 400 different videos for 2 dollars each. Affiliates will get one dollar and I will keep the other. We will see how it goes.
Nickatilynx
12-13-2005, 11:56 AM
Interesting how everyone has his or her own perspective. I have been selling video content to webmasters for over 6 years now, I have had pay sites and I see that there are just not that many newbies and less veterans in the biz today. WHY? The subscription model where a user has to buy a membership, gets rebilled automatically, has to remember to cancel, and all that crap has killed this business.
If you are a newbie and you have the best site you can possibly make and you have to hook up with ccbill, ibill or another one of those things I think you are doomed. Where is it going? Pay per view or pay per download or whatever you call it. But even that pay per view crap is still shitty because you still have to give a lot of personal information and have to "FUND" an account and that usually costs about 20 bucks and then you get ripped off because you usually don't get all the mins you paid for.
The customer of the future is that guy that just wants to pay a little and get a little and leave. There are hundreds of millions of guys that don't want to JOIN a pay site and OWN a stupid membership but just want to view maybe one video for lets say one dollar. Why do you think password sites and stealing is such a success? NOBODY WANTS TO JOIN AND BUY MEMBERSHIPS anymore and anyone that thinks otherwise has his or her head in the sand.
Make the videos easy and inexpensive to get and it won't be worth anyone’s time to steal them. Look at what Google just did with Fox. Now you can watch old re runs of citcoms for just 99cents each. This is the future and until the rest of you come up with a better billiing method I think most pay sites will die All but the biggest are doomed. But AHHH, what about the poor affiliates? How the hell are you going to pay them when a guy buys one video for one dollar and leaves? Better wake up because the affiliate model as we know it is going to be a thing of the past. Affiliates are going to be happy with making less but still making something. All this is inevitable. In about two weeks I will have a new pay site with 400 different videos for 2 dollars each. Affiliates will get one dollar and I will keep the other. We will see how it goes.
I'll bite....
Whats the size of the vids?
Whats the cost of bandwidth per...
What do you think it will convert TGP crap traffic at?
NickJ
12-13-2005, 12:05 PM
Thanks for asking. According to my research, and I started thinking this way before google and Fox got together with the similar idea, and now also Napster too..
The files are wmv format and they are big. The biggest runs at 1.5kb/sec almost full screen so there is no skimpiong on quality. You bring up an excellent point about crap TGP traffic. I have found through trial runs that the reason that people think this traffic is crap is becuast
NO BODY WANTS TO JOIN A SITE AND OWN A MEMBERSHIP AND GET REBILLED OVER AND OVER AND THEN REMEMBER TO CANCEL. It is simple.
But, these people who comprise the "crap" traffic are just dying to get something like I am proposing. I would be happy to open the stats when this thing is operational in 2 weeks. Originally, when I was getting a lot of TGP/MGP traffic from sublime, coversions were so low I thought that maybe the traffic was coming form China. We did some filtering and found that it WAS indeed North AMerican traffic. The traffic is not crap. The way we are asking these guys to pay for our stuff is. Just look at IBill today. They are broke.
Anthony
12-13-2005, 12:08 PM
But, these people who comprise the "crap" traffic are just dying to get something like I am proposing. I would be happy to open the stats when this thing is operational in 2 weeks. Originally, when I was getting a lot of TGP/MGP traffic from sublime, coversions were so low I thought that maybe the traffic was coming form China. We did some filtering and found that it WAS indeed North AMerican traffic. The traffic is not crap. The way we are asking these guys to pay for our stuff is. Just look at IBill today. They are broke.
IBIll is broke due to mis management. Not because of subscriptions going down.
MorganGrayson
12-13-2005, 12:13 PM
First...welcome to Oprano, NickJ! :waving:
Thanks for sharing your business thoughts. I gave you points to get you started toward some Oprano gear! :)
NickJ
12-13-2005, 12:13 PM
Anthony, you might be correct about that but all the billing cos are not makin gwhat they used to and that is a fact.
Oh and about the bandwidth.. this is not really a factor today...if... and this is important...if you have a site that converts....
that is converts at a 2 dollars or whatever. The reason bandwidth is even an issue is becuase of all the surfers that get free free free and don't join..
but if you have them hitting up a 2 dollar charge very often bandwidth will not be an issue and today bandwidth is pretty cheap when you buy it in bulk.
SWEET ! !. thanks for the Oprano Gift points :-) YOu made my day.
Nickatilynx
12-13-2005, 12:19 PM
Thanks for asking. According to my research, and I started thinking this way before google and Fox got together with the similar idea, and now also Napster too..
The files are wmv format and they are big. The biggest runs at 1.5kb/sec almost full screen so there is no skimpiong on quality. You bring up an excellent point about crap TGP traffic. I have found through trial runs that the reason that people think this traffic is crap is becuast
NO BODY WANTS TO JOIN A SITE AND OWN A MEMBERSHIP AND GET REBILLED OVER AND OVER AND THEN REMEMBER TO CANCEL. It is simple.
But, these people who comprise the "crap" traffic are just dying to get something like I am proposing. I would be happy to open the stats when this thing is operational in 2 weeks. Originally, when I was getting a lot of TGP/MGP traffic from sublime, coversions were so low I thought that maybe the traffic was coming form China. We did some filtering and found that it WAS indeed North AMerican traffic. The traffic is not crap. The way we are asking these guys to pay for our stuff is. Just look at IBill today. They are broke.
Its an interesting idea....
BUT....
What about processing costs?
Also...
Say I make 35.00 off a sale ,to my own paysites after processing deductions and I send 10,000 hits..that convert at 1 in 500...I make 20 sales = $700.
If yours converts at 10 times better..ie 1 in 50... one makes $400 to ones own paysites.
to stay still you are looking at 1 in 30.......
Now onto recurring...at a flat recurring rate of say 50% that means on average that the join will earn you 17.50 next month...which means the guy you got will have to buy 4 or 5 more videos....
Not gonna happen....
Most likely , At least 50% of the surfers you have don't even have credit cards lol
When the surfer has a hard on whether the downoad is $2 or $ 6 may not matter...
Once you get the surfer ready to put in his credit card extract the maximum dollars from it. :)
But it will to your bottomline...I'd research the price points...and factor in the member database
NickJ
12-13-2005, 12:39 PM
NickaT, Great pionts and I see you are really thinking about this. But, you have to remember I am not going to use a processor such as ccbill. I leared more about this stuff from my research. What I found was that the fact that people get rebilled and the charg back rates are so high this is why they have to charge like 19 percent per transaction. Once again it is this Membership method making the problem.. So if you dump the membership method, and get your own merchant account you will be paying as little as 1.5 % with 15 cents per transaction. This changes everything. And expect charge backs to be very small so you won't have many problems. But, you are going to have to have some cash in the bank to throw around so that the bank will give you your merchant account. Once they find out that you are not selling SUBSCRIPTIONS they are very willing to work with you.
Nickatilynx
12-13-2005, 12:41 PM
Still doesn't answer the conversion question
or the price point...
TheEnforcer
12-13-2005, 12:48 PM
This thread has certainly turned into a very good discussion. Welcome to Oprano NickJ! :okthumb:
Nickatilynx
12-13-2005, 12:53 PM
NickJ...you better not be posting some longwinded post or my ADD will kick in and I'll never read it .....
;-)))
NickJ
12-13-2005, 01:02 PM
NickaT, sorry to not answer your question directly on your price point. Maybe you are much better at math than I am. And I am not going to launch this site and beg for affiliates like all those peeps on GFY. Have you seen naughty america now?? Offering 80% payouts. WTF?? I will be more than happy to run this all on my own. If smart hardworking people such as yourself want to give this affiliate program a shot great. I am not claiming that it will make affiliates more money but I think it will. Especially as we see this Subscription model decline more and more in the futute the suposed lower price points of my method will seem more appealing.
What is it that you do exactly. I am curious to know becuase you really seem to understand this biz very good.
Mike AI
12-13-2005, 01:04 PM
Thread has become interesting.
Nickatilynx
12-13-2005, 01:05 PM
NickaT, sorry to not answer your question directly on your price point. Maybe you are much better at math than I am. And I am not going to launch this site and beg for affiliates like all those peeps on GFY. Have you seen naughty america now?? Offering 80% payouts. WTF?? I will be more than happy to run this all on my own. If smart hardworking people such as yourself want to give this affiliate program a shot great. I am not claiming that it will make affiliates more money but I think it will. Especially as we see this Subscription model decline more and more in the futute the suposed lower price points of my method will seem more appealing.
What is it that you do exactly. I am curious to know becuase you really seem to understand this biz very good.
80% rev share is a real good idea if the paysite is stocked with upsells out the ass and exit consoles from hell.. ;-)))
Shit I remember back in the day SweetT and MikeAI had a 110% Revshare or some shit...
NickJ
12-13-2005, 01:11 PM
80% rev share is a real good idea if the paysite is stocked with upsells out the ass and exit consoles from hell.. ;-)))
Shit I remember back in the day SweetT and MikeAI had a 110% Revshare or some shit...
That answers my question about your background in this biz. You are a real Vet for sure.
Nickatilynx
12-13-2005, 01:13 PM
NickaT, sorry to not answer your question directly on your price point. Maybe you are much better at math than I am. And I am not going to launch this site and beg for affiliates like all those peeps on GFY. Have you seen naughty america now?? Offering 80% payouts. WTF?? I will be more than happy to run this all on my own. If smart hardworking people such as yourself want to give this affiliate program a shot great. I am not claiming that it will make affiliates more money but I think it will. Especially as we see this Subscription model decline more and more in the futute the suposed lower price points of my method will seem more appealing.
What is it that you do exactly. I am curious to know becuase you really seem to understand this biz very good.
So I'm gonna send my hard earn traffic to you?
You're not very good at math...you don't understand a high rev share model...and you don't claim I'll make more money with you????? So WTF I send you traffic cause you think "poor surfer" ???
Ummm ......sex and travel.... LOL
As for my background....
Started in 96..had the no1 Amateur site.
Owned Netpond from 97-2002
Made fucking millions... (not from Netpond , from my other interests..)
owned affiliate programs
owned traffic broking proggies..
won a couple of AVNs (never increased my money)
Spammed the living crap out of ever search engine
Was a notorious mail spammer in the old days...
Own Oprano...
Still own a few hundred dormant sites...
Making fucking more millions in nonadult....
And I never work hard...I work smart.
:)
Anthony
12-13-2005, 01:17 PM
What is it that you do exactly. I am curious to know becuase you really seem to understand this biz very good.
He's a webmaster. Still does html in notepad as well.
TheEnforcer
12-13-2005, 01:20 PM
So I'm gonna send my hard earn traffic to you?
You're not very good at math...you don't understand a high rev share model...and you don't claim I'll make more money with you????? So WTF I send you traffic cause you think "poor surfer" ???
Ummm ......sex and travel.... LOL
As for my background....
Started in 96..had the no1 Amateur site.
Owned Netpond from 97-2002
Made fucking millions... (not from Netpond , from my other interests..)
owned affiliate programs
owned traffic broking proggies..
won a couple of AVNs (never increased my money)
Spammed the living crap out of ever search engine
Was a notorious mail spammer in the old days...
Own Oprano...
Still own a few hundred dormant sites...
Making fucking more millions in nonadult....
And I never work hard...I work smart.
:)
Every time someone outside this biz asks me what I do I am tempted to say "I do some work for the guy that used to be one of the biggest mass mailers on the web a few years ago." and see what kind of reaction I get.... :)
Nickatilynx
12-13-2005, 01:22 PM
He's a webmaster. Still does html in notepad as well.
I do too... LOL
Though I find it is easier to yell at a penguin and say "see this site? I like it.Steal the design , change it a bit and put it up"
;-))
Nickatilynx
12-13-2005, 01:23 PM
Every time someone outside this biz asks me what I do I am tempted to say "I do some work for the guy that used to be one of the biggest mass mailers on the web a few years ago." and see what kind of reaction I get.... :)
You work for me?
Fuck!
I don't tell myself anything....
;-)))
el pres
12-13-2005, 01:39 PM
When the US sorts out premium SMS billing and the gateways don't take a massive chunk of the $$. Then billing per video will do well, and chargebacks will become a thing of the past.
Doesn't really work as an affiliate model though, payouts are too small.
Own the content, have your own traffic network. BAM...
Nickatilynx
12-13-2005, 01:41 PM
When the US sorts out premium SMS billing and the gateways don't take a massive chunk of the $$. Then billing per video will do well, and chargebacks will become a thing of the past.
Doesn't really work as an affiliate model though, payouts are too small.
Own the content, have your own traffic network. BAM...
give that man a cigar!!
:)
TheEnforcer
12-13-2005, 01:58 PM
That would be a big change to the way things are done to be sure...
Anthony
12-13-2005, 01:59 PM
80% rev share is a real good idea if the paysite is stocked with upsells out the ass and exit consoles from hell.. ;-)))
Shit I remember back in the day SweetT and MikeAI had a 110% Revshare or some shit...
This is, btw, the paysite model Naughty America has. So NickJ giving them shit for having 80% revshare holds no water.
Dravyk
12-13-2005, 02:57 PM
Nice thread indeed. And an excellent start at Oprano, NickJ. Welcome! http://oprano.com/msgboard/images/smilies/ok.gif
Biggy
12-13-2005, 03:24 PM
2000 was 6 years ago... 1998 was 8 years ago, and 1996 was 10 years ago.
Comparisons are getting old, the way it is.. is the way it is. It's so easy to get in this industry now, you are going to have people happy to make $100 a month. My guess is a lot of these people are super young and have never made real money in their lives.
Inabon
12-13-2005, 03:31 PM
aside from all the good math nick has added i have a question.
bandwidth.
you say videos are big.
how are you going to address the bandwidth issue cost of download against price you sell the download at?
Great read, this thread :)
DannyCox
12-13-2005, 03:37 PM
Started in 96..had the no1 Amateur site.
*cough* *cough* :rolleyes:
Nickatilynx
12-13-2005, 03:46 PM
*cough* *cough* :rolleyes:
Flew past you in 97 ;-))))
You know why I remember?
Cause I used to hit you up for links and shit and you'd ignore me (or whoever was handling that...probably Evil ChrisLOL)!!!
So me and my brother went :
"Right!! Fuck it!!! We'll have them!!!
Plus I also remember ripping into blaise was it at WSS "I'm number one..why it it not appearing on my counter button , huh?"
Oh and Nero and Bode at sextracker calling me asking me to use his counter and offering all sorts of shit if I did...LOL
;-))
LOL
We were vindictive bastards then...lol
First one that we wanted to over take in the counters was "Khans Classy Ladies"...
Hence why I also joined Meat at CONDOM lol
DannyCox
12-13-2005, 03:50 PM
Flew past you in 97 ;-))))
You know why I remember?
Cause I used to hit you up for links and shit and you'd ignore me (or whoever was handling that...probably Evil ChrisLOL)!!!
I can't even think of what Amatur website you're talking about. Especially back in '97. Who was it?
And yes, Evil Chris was handling the linking stuff in those days.
Nickatilynx
12-13-2005, 03:54 PM
I can't even think of what Amatur website you're talking about. Especially back in '97. Who was it?
And yes, Evil Chris was handling the linking stuff in those days.
I called it "Real Amateur Wives"
www.ilynx.com... (http://www.ilynx.com...)
hence my name...
:)
And Evil Chris was a snobby bitch to me then....
;-)))
DannyCox
12-13-2005, 04:20 PM
I called it "Real Amateur Wives"
www.ilynx.com... (http://www.ilynx.com...)
hence my name...
:)
And Evil Chris was a snobby bitch to me then....
;-)))
I remember now! You wanted us to add you to the Amateur Links page on Carol's site, but since ilynx.com was just a mess of links to all sorts of things and only had a handfull of submitted Amateur pictures, we didn't think it fit into our scheme. We only linked to Single Girl Amateur sites in that area.
It really was nowhere near an "Amateur" website ;)
Anthony
12-13-2005, 04:24 PM
I smell a board war about to go!
Nickatilynx
12-13-2005, 04:31 PM
I remember now! You wanted us to add you to the Amateur Links page on Carol's site, but since ilynx.com was just a mess of links to all sorts of things and only had a handfull of submitted Amateur pictures, we didn't think it fit into our scheme. We only linked to Single Girl Amateur sites in that area.
It really was nowhere near an "Amateur" website ;)
We had thousands of pics....ok....there were a few blind links too....
And amateur!!!!
Was too!!!! LOL
I stole all the amateur looking content I could find on the newsgroups!!!
;-)))
Nickatilynx
12-13-2005, 04:32 PM
Lets not get into what is amateur and what isn't!!!
;-)))
Nickatilynx
12-13-2005, 04:35 PM
Anyway the surfers in the end decided whose was best...
It won "Best Amateur site as voted on by Surfers" at Internext...
Oh yeah...but then I suppose we did get a million or so more vistors a month....
;-)))
Dravyk
12-13-2005, 04:35 PM
Uh-oh!
http://oprano.com/msgboard/images/smilies/corn.gif It's going to be a looong day. Better have something to eat.
NickJ
12-13-2005, 05:20 PM
Wow, 1997 or even 1996. That is a long time ago even for me. Almost like another world. Someone mentioned that today newbies are content with making an extra 100 bucks a month and I think there are a lot of that.
About the bandwidth. Correct me if I am wrong but to download half a gig of content costs about 30 cents. Forget about spikes at the 95th percentile because at large usage numbers you can get flat fees for bandwidth used. I mentioned this before that I could sell a video for one dollar and still make profit regardless of bandwidth costs. Ask any webmaster here, "where does most of the bandwidth costs come from" and I bet they will answer from the front end where you get hits from surfers who will never ever join your site. It is not becuase the design or the content are no good but becuase they don't want anything to do with the Membership - subscription recurr at higher rate billing method. But, if you give them a one time small charge one time access way of getting off they won't be hitting your front end endlessly bleeding you dry. This is what I found in trial runs. Can you shoot holes in this??
This thread has been a great read.
Welcome to Oprano NickJ. :waving:
I gave you 10 points for a thought provoking entrance.
Osiris
12-13-2005, 09:40 PM
I was just reading somewhere else where a newbie was asking a program owner to mail him links to all their "free promotional materials". Content, Hosted Sites/Gals etc..
Lazy ass fucks..
Sin, you're participating, is it making you think? It should. Now get your ass to work on what I showed you before I have to fondle all your naughty bits.. :D
Sin, you're participating, is it making you think? It should. Now get your ass to work on what I showed you before I have to fondle all your naughty bits.. :D
It is making me think, its making me think a lot & driving everybody else who is within vocal vicinity, crazy lol
;)
Thank you again, Osiris, for showing me this board :) :okthumb:
Dravyk
12-13-2005, 10:52 PM
Lazy ass fucks.. They are!
... But R-n bless those lazy ass fucks!!! ;)
* wibble *
PornoDoggy
12-13-2005, 10:58 PM
There have been a few interesting comments in this thread.
You have to dig through the "I walked two miles to school barefoot in the snow uphill both ways when I was a kid" crap to find them.
The poser comments are the ones that crack me up, though.
Nickatilynx
12-13-2005, 11:45 PM
I was just reading somewhere else where a newbie was asking a program owner to mail him links to all their "free promotional materials". Content, Hosted Sites/Gals etc..
Lazy ass fucks..
Sin, you're participating, is it making you think? It should. Now get your ass to work on what I showed you before I have to fondle all your naughty bits.. :D
I hear that is actually the norm...seriously
Anthony
12-13-2005, 11:46 PM
I hear that is actually the norm...seriously
It is. :(
Nickatilynx
12-13-2005, 11:52 PM
2000 was 6 years ago... 1998 was 8 years ago, and 1996 was 10 years ago.
Comparisons are getting old, the way it is.. is the way it is. It's so easy to get in this industry now, you are going to have people happy to make $100 a month. My guess is a lot of these people are super young and have never made real money in their lives.
Again I agree...
We used to say a week was a long time on the web , with things moving so quick.
8 years is fucking forever...
Osiris
12-14-2005, 12:56 AM
I hear that is actually the norm...seriously
Yes it is. Being a program owner, albeit a small one. People want every goddamn thing handed to them. May as well just send them checks as soon as they sign-up to promote you with attitudes like that.
DannyCox
12-14-2005, 01:38 AM
Anyway the surfers in the end decided whose was best...
It won "Best Amateur site as voted on by Surfers" at Internext...
Oh yeah...but then I suppose we did get a million or so more vistors a month....
;-)))
Yep, you did in the "Best Free Amateur Site" category, but remember that Carol Cox won for both the "Best Pay Amateur Site" and "Hottest Net Star" that same year. ;)
Carol was the number 2 woman based site on the 'net back then as per all the research Danni Ashe did ... http://billiondownloadwoman.com/pop.html
Anyway, It wasn't about the visitors, it was about the money! :okthumb:
PornoDoggy
12-14-2005, 01:57 AM
So ... have we figured out who's dick was the biggest in '97?
In addition to "old folks bitching about how young people don't have it as rough as they did," this thread reminds me of sports franchise owners lamenting player salaries.
The same franchise owner wailing that lament will then sign a player for a salary 10% higher than has ever been paid before.
The only reason that some newbies expect program owners to do everything but wipe their asses is because some of them will do so.
If you put the candy in the bowl, don't yell at the kid not to eat it.
Nickatilynx
12-14-2005, 02:07 AM
Yep, you did in the "Best Free Amateur Site" category, but remember that Carol Cox won for both the "Best Pay Amateur Site" and "Hottest Net Star" that same year. ;)
Carol was the number 2 woman based site on the 'net back then as per all the research Danni Ashe did ... http://billiondownloadwoman.com/pop.html
Anyway, It wasn't about the visitors, it was about the money! :okthumb:
I was just messing with ya... ;-)))
And you are right. Its ALWAYS about the money ;-))
PD , you are indeed very curmudgeonly this evening...excellent ..:)
Sabby
12-14-2005, 02:09 AM
It wasn't about the visitors, it was about the money! :okthumb:
Pearl.
:-pearl:
Thank you Danny :)
That makes your "we all do this for just for fun becuase we love to be naked and show it all for you" clause so much less nauseating... :okthumb:
Sabby:flash:
Nickatilynx
12-14-2005, 02:09 AM
Yes it is. Being a program owner, albeit a small one. People want every goddamn thing handed to them. May as well just send them checks as soon as they sign-up to promote you with attitudes like that.
hmmm try an new angle with your program..
"Promote us anyway you like ...go or it...send us traffic by any legal method and we will pay you ..Simplyrich.com" LOL
Ya never know...
Nickatilynx
12-14-2005, 02:15 AM
Yep, you did in the "Best Free Amateur Site" category, but remember that Carol Cox won for both the "Best Pay Amateur Site" and "Hottest Net Star" that same year. ;)
Carol was the number 2 woman based site on the 'net back then as per all the research Danni Ashe did ... http://billiondownloadwoman.com/pop.html
Anyway, It wasn't about the visitors, it was about the money! :okthumb:
One last jab after the bell...
Wouldn't it have been smart to have been nice and got me as an affiliate sending all that lovely traffic to your site? ;-))
in hindsight...ya know.
But I will grant you that on your site against ilynx.com made way more cash.Wayyyyyy more.
Ilynx was the one I had for show, I had another 1000 for dough...
;-)))
Osiris
12-14-2005, 02:32 AM
hmmm try an new angle with your program..
"Promote us anyway you like ...go or it...send us traffic by any legal method and we will pay you ..Simplyrich.com" LOL
Ya never know...
Hahaha!
NickJ
12-14-2005, 07:42 AM
This thread has been a great read.
Welcome to Oprano NickJ. :waving:
I gave you 10 points for a thought provoking entrance.
Thanks Red, I really appreciate it. I also found this thread interesting and now entertaining too. Most of the time when I make a post like I did before I just get flamed and the idiots who don't make shit start posting pictures of animals in comprimising positions. :okthumb:
Inabon
12-14-2005, 10:03 AM
Wow, 1997 or even 1996. That is a long time ago even for me. Almost like another world. Someone mentioned that today newbies are content with making an extra 100 bucks a month and I think there are a lot of that.
About the bandwidth. Correct me if I am wrong but to download half a gig of content costs about 30 cents. Forget about spikes at the 95th percentile because at large usage numbers you can get flat fees for bandwidth used. I mentioned this before that I could sell a video for one dollar and still make profit regardless of bandwidth costs. Ask any webmaster here, "where does most of the bandwidth costs come from" and I bet they will answer from the front end where you get hits from surfers who will never ever join your site. It is not becuase the design or the content are no good but becuase they don't want anything to do with the Membership - subscription recurr at higher rate billing method. But, if you give them a one time small charge one time access way of getting off they won't be hitting your front end endlessly bleeding you dry. This is what I found in trial runs. Can you shoot holes in this??
if you are going to be doing 30 cents profit per download and as in each download costs you 70cents. are you adding to this hardware expense?
160 gigs of storage is not as easy as 1 big 160 gig harddrive serving thousands of downloads.
your downloads will get slow. you need more hardware and storage and serving hardware is not inexpensive.
for example we host a live tv show that has archives 1 hour videos averaging 150 megabytes per program 5 day a week program. 1 year of storage is 40 gigabytes. the program archives got popular so the harddrive started to slow down serving, so i had to split it in to another harddrive (the easy way is put 20 and 20 per drive) but if you want to do largescale downloading you can't be splitting you have to load balance and those are additional expenses. so if i have a 300 gygabyte box i have to have a second 300 gygabyte box with the same content on each so i can load balance i mean this is to give the user a very decent download 150 to 200 kbps. cause 34 to 64 kbps won't fly specially with adsl becoming popular. panama has more adsl than dial up as a matter of fact next year there won't be any dial up.
i am just trying to see the upside of $2.00 download this is not a 150k manual to get rich this is downloading video.
NickJ
12-14-2005, 10:38 AM
You are obviously more adept in hardware and NOC operations than I am. I do agree with you about the 30 cents per user cost. If there is a 2 dollar charge that leaves 1.70. Take out the merchant account costs of another approx 30 cents you have 1.40. If I got the sale from an affiliate that leaves just 70 cents each. Not a whole lot of money unless of course the conversion rate is 1000 times what would be standard for a subscription model site. And this point has yet to be proven or not except in theory. Also the sale price could be higer than 2.00, maybe 2.99, or 3.50. Who knows? I am not G_d. Just some shmuck with an idea. And maybe it won't work as an affiliate model. Fine, go it alone then. Less trouble. Less scammer and less work.
Anthony
12-14-2005, 10:38 AM
You are obviously more adept in hardware and NOC operations than I am.
This is without a doubt, because he owns a hosting business.
Almighty Colin
12-15-2005, 08:56 AM
Plus...the average newbie inour day did not do very good.
We remember the ones that did well at it.Like us.And the ones who just won't leave and get a real job , like Dravyk ;-)))
Yup. Almost every day someone new would show up and post "I am going to be the next Persian Kitty". What happened to all those people? Those burghers went back to burgers.
Almighty Colin
12-15-2005, 09:03 AM
Amen brother.
Dumbest thing I ever did was tell Meat the "avs trick".
Might just have well have told Reuters.
Now I play my cards closer to my chest....
Different time....
Plus to be honest the old influx of webmasters were a nicer better bunch.The new ones are wiggas or dopey stupid twats who think they can make a fortune from this business but just really don't have a clue.
Fun watching though :)
I was dumber than that. I published an article in Klixxx back in 2000 or so on something I was doing assuming that the pool was large enough that the influx wouldn't cannibalize my existing business. Wrong!
Almighty Colin
12-15-2005, 09:11 AM
So ... have we figured out who's dick was the biggest in '97?
Ron had a very big dick in 97
MorganGrayson
12-15-2005, 11:03 AM
Thanks Red, I really appreciate it. I also found this thread interesting and now entertaining too. Most of the time when I make a post like I did before I just get flamed and the idiots who don't make shit start posting pictures of animals in comprimising positions. :okthumb:
OT comment, if this thread can be said to have such a thing:
NickJ...don't attend boards that respond to posts with pictures of animals in compromising positions. It's bad for you and bad for the animals. :)
Nickatilynx
12-15-2005, 11:04 AM
Ron had a very big dick in 97
He was a huge dick in 97.
:)
Inabon
12-27-2005, 10:21 AM
well nickj i see you are going for your business model however like i told you before it is pretty slow lots of buffering.
what kind of bandwidth are you burining on previews alone?
MikeFold
12-27-2005, 11:53 AM
One last jab after the bell...
Ilynx was the one I had for show, I had another 1000 for dough...
;-)))
hmmm...I wonder who used this analogy a few times during seminars..
...let me think...
Mike AI
12-27-2005, 12:04 PM
This thread has some very ironic posts. Lot of people still blowing smoke.
Dravyk
12-27-2005, 04:15 PM
This thread has some very ironic posts. Lot of people still blowing smoke. Here, have a fan. :fanning:
MikeFold
12-27-2005, 05:32 PM
...still thinking.....
----denny crane------
i may have mad cow disease, but i smell the smoke AI
(o;
Oh man, one of my favorite shows ever!!!
NickJ, not to completely set your now burst balloon on fire, but I'd suggest you rethink your business model.
The first reason that people go with a CCBill or Paycom is because they have no history in processing, they don't want or can't afford to pay the application fees, the upfront reserves (that one without history will likely encounter) nor can they make the volume commitment that the majority of acquiring banks require in order to issue MIDs and TIDs. They also have no idea how to handle customer service or what to do when they get a retrieval or a chargeback notice.
Then of course there is the processing discount rate, which in high risk is generally around 4.5-7%, based on volume (and to get 4.5 you'd better either have a really old account or be doing some really good volume, as in 7 figures a month plus), plus the per transaction rate, which runs anywhere from .45 to .80 per transaction, depending upon what region you settle your transactions. Let's not forget your declines, that run you between .10 - .25 each...
Now, with your own merchant account, you also pay for retrievals, generally around 15-20 dollars each, chargebacks at around 25-35 dollars each, and you'll need customer service, which even outsourced is still going to cost you in the neighborhood of .75 to 1 dollar per instance.
One chargeback on your $2 sale model will cost you a minimum of $18 IF you are doing a high volume and have the best of all rates going and you don't attempt to fight the chargeback, which will cost you time and money in having someone actually attempt to prove that a non-signature charge of $2 isn't your fault.
Just some food for mad cow disease...
...still thinking.....
----denny crane------
i may have mad cow disease, but i smell the smoke AI
(o;
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