Voodooman, how bout a few cop stories?

[pushpills]

Seeing as you're a cop, how about a couple of your craziest stories?

[voodooman]

Wow, hmmm, Ok. Although I just finished typing out a grievance against the city manager which was approximatley 3 pages long for being accused of something that I didnt do, I will try to muster enough energy for one or two stories.


Not to long ago I was at the Police Department with my Sgt and one of the District 1 Narcotics Task Force Agent who we will call R. 911 rang and the dispatcher answered it. On the other line was a well known chap we will refer to as Larry, 45 years old, meth/weed/coke/alcohol user with suicidal tendancies. When Larry called he asked for R. The dispatcher told me who was calling and I asked R if he wanted to take the call. R advised that he did not and asked dispatch to find out what Larry wanted. Larry advised dispatch that he wanted R to come to his house because he needed to speak with R about a drug deal that went bad. R told dispatch to tell Larry that he did not have time today and would call him back later. About 2 mins after dispatch hung up the phone, Larry calls back asking for R, this goes on for about 9 911 calls and R finally tells me and my Sgt. to goto his house and wait down the street for R to arrive. I get there, Sgt. arrives after me and then R arrives. We get a game plan together and I drove up and parked one house down from Larrys and Sgt. parks on the other side of the street. We seen this van pulling out of Larry's driveway and the driver flagged R down to tell him that her son has a knife and wants to commit suicide by cop by stabbing R and having me or Sgt. shoot him. R immediatley instructed me to draw my gun and as I did I observed Larry pull the knife from his waistband. I instructed Larry to put the knife down and get on the ground but he wasnt listening. Larry was walking towards me, yelling at me and R. R was in the street, I was in the front yard and Sgt was across the street, all with guns drawn. I started to pull on my trigger and was at the very end of the pull before the gun goes bang. Now here we cannot fire unless the suspect is within 10 feet of us with a weapon. Larry was about 8 feet from me when he all the sudden turned around and took off for his house. Larry threw the knife when he opened his door and we went in after him. Larry was arrested and transported to a mental facility. When Larry got out of the facility, he over dosed on Meth and pain pills and died shorly after.
This story was posted because of his misfortune and all cases against Larry are closed.

Im limited on what I can say as most of my craziness is still pending court but will post another tomorrow.

[Sin]

Um, wow.

And honey you REALLY need to post a pic now, I love a man in uniform ;) lol

[voodooman]

Um, wow.

And honey you REALLY need to post a pic now, I love a man in uniform ;) lol
I don't have any with me in uniform. I tell you what though, I will take on tomorrow when I goto work and post it before I go in. OK? :okthumb:

[Sin]

Sounds good! :D Thanks!

[Newton]

Now here we cannot fire unless the suspect is within 10 feet of us with a weapon.

?? seriously .. seems an odd law?

[voodooman]

Now here we cannot fire unless the suspect is within 10 feet of us with a weapon.

?? seriously .. seems an odd law?

Yeah, I guess that seems a bit short huh? I forgot to mention that is only if a weapon other than a gun like a knife, sword, rake etc... If they have a firearm then the law changes. :)

[Newton]

Ah gotcha, kinda negated having a shooting range at any distance if that stood lol

[pushpills]

good story! :okthumb:

[pushpills]

more cops should write books....

[Funbrunette]

Interesting stuff, got any pics? ;)

[Timon]

I started to pull on my trigger and was at the very end of the pull before the gun goes bang.

What gun do you use?

[pushpills]

Interesting stuff, got any pics? ;)

http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/content/108539.jpg

[Timon]

http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/content/108539.jpg
:lmao1: :rotflmao1 :rofl:

[Nickatilynx]

Yeah, I guess that seems a bit short huh? I forgot to mention that is only if a weapon other than a gun like a knife, sword, rake etc... If they have a firearm then the law changes. :)

Holy shit.

I may be wrong (Ant may know better) but when I did my concealed weapons you could shoot if the person carrying the knife was 30ft or less on the grounds someone who knows what they are doing can cover that distance REAL quick

[voodooman]

Holy shit.

I may be wrong (Ant may know better) but when I did my concealed weapons you could shoot if the person carrying the knife was 30ft or less on the grounds someone who knows what they are doing can cover that distance REAL quick

Yeah, that is the main reason behind teaching us defensive tactics and hand to hand. Problem becomes that if you are having to use defense, your already in trouble. I like to be the aggressor or on the offensive. (Yes, I already know these comments will be taking out of context but have fun).

Oh and Timon, it's a Glock 22C.

[Anthony]

Yeah, I guess that seems a bit short huh? I forgot to mention that is only if a weapon other than a gun like a knife, sword, rake etc... If they have a firearm then the law changes. :)

I take it your gun is already ready, as I can stab you about 30 times before you pull your firearm from it's holster if I'm 10 feet away.

[voodooman]

I take it your gun is already ready, as I can stab you about 30 times before you pull your firearm from it's holster if I'm 10 feet away.

If your smart your gun is already drawn. I will and do draw my firearm from any distance but when the threat starts moving towards you, you better be damn ready to use it if they get within that 10 range.

[pushpills]

shot anybody?

[voodooman]

shot anybody?

Fortunately No. But have been very close 3 times.

[MorganGrayson]

I read a lot, and most of my favorite books have a cop or someone else carrying a gun in them. Those are fiction, even if they're written by ex-police, ex-forensic, etc.

"Real" cop stories give me the absolute heebie jeebies. :blink:

"10 feet"???? :unsure: Just a writer with a vivid imagination here, but I can write several off-the-cuff scenarios where that 10 feet rule ends up with a dead cop. I, personally, would much rather have a dead druggie than a dead cop.

Do you have the "you must shoot to kill, not to wound" rule? (One I've never understood, frankly.) I think pulling any kind of a weapon on a cop should make you kiss goodbye to one of your kneecaps. (I know that's easier said than done from a distance with a handgun.)

I wonder if you can answer a question for me. It's my husband's question. Last night's CSI involved an insane firefight that went wrong and a cop was killed...as it turned out, accidentally shot by another cop. The deceased officer stood up when he shouldn't have. The other officers pulled away from the two cops under suspicion, and most definitely pulled away from the one that was determined to have accidentally shot the officer at the funeral. (The widow most definitely did not; hugged him and said "I know it wasn't your fault.")

After the episode, my husband said "I wonder if real cops would have reacted that way?"

(If I have just wandered into that "civilians don't get to ask those kinds of questions" area, I apologize and withdraw the question.) :)

[voodooman]

I read a lot, and most of my favorite books have a cop or someone else carrying a gun in them. Those are fiction, even if they're written by ex-police, ex-forensic, etc.

"Real" cop stories give me the absolute heebie jeebies. :blink:

"10 feet"???? :unsure: Just a writer with a vivid imagination here, but I can write several off-the-cuff scenarios where that 10 feet rule ends up with a dead cop. I, personally, would much rather have a dead druggie than a dead cop.

Do you have the "you must shoot to kill, not to wound" rule? (One I've never understood, frankly.) I think pulling any kind of a weapon on a cop should make you kiss goodbye to one of your kneecaps. (I know that's easier said than done from a distance with a handgun.)

I wonder if you can answer a question for me. It's my husband's question. Last night's CSI involved an insane firefight that went wrong and a cop was killed...as it turned out, accidentally shot by another cop. The deceased officer stood up when he shouldn't have. The other officers pulled away from the two cops under suspicion, and most definitely pulled away from the one that was determined to have accidentally shot the officer at the funeral. (The widow most definitely did not; hugged him and said "I know it wasn't your fault.")

After the episode, my husband said "I wonder if real cops would have reacted that way?"

(If I have just wandered into that "civilians don't get to ask those kinds of questions" area, I apologize and withdraw the question.) :)

Hmmm, All I can say to your question is I hope I never have to find out.
I honestly don't know how I would react/act.

As for the shoot to kill question. Yeah, they train us to shoot if possible 2 to the chest and 1 to the head. It really just depends on the situation. Thats the problem with courts and attorneys. These fucking attornies have never had to make a life threatening decision in a moments time. Do cops over-react sometimes. SURE, Ill be the first to admit that, but Adrenaline is a VERY powerful drug and if you can't learn to control your emmotions while amped up on it then you are going to get you or someone else hurt or possible killed, but anyway, alot of the decisions we make are split second and not even experience can decrease room for error or bad judgement. Experience certainly helps though in what split second decisions are made by an officer.

Take this for instance. This is a true story which just happend last week and involves a narcotics agent in a town close to where I am. Wed night his wife and children were driving home from the store. The wife noticed that a car was following her and when she pulled into her driveway she noticed that the vehicle turned around and started to drive slowly by her residence. She hurried up and took her kids inside and told her husband, the Narc Agent that there was a strange vehicle outside. The agent went out to confront the driver and a confrontation ensued. The man suspicious man in the vehicle drove off and the agent pursued in his patrol vehicle. Keep in mind this agent has been a drug cop for 5 years. The agent activated his lights and pulled the vehicle over. When the agent walked up to the vehicle the guy opened the door and the agent tried to pull the guy from the vehicle. The guy was allegedly on meth and put his vehicle in drive and drug the agent for almost two blocks before running the agent over. In this time the agent was able to draw his weapon and fire one shot into the lungs of the driver. The agent had severe trauma to his head, broken pelvis, broken back and legs and died last night. The driver is still in ICU in Oklahoma City, unfortunatley still alive.
Its a fucking scary job sometimes.

[PornoDoggy]

The reason for shoot to kill is simple - it's hard enough to do that, let alone make some kind of skilled shot that disables without killing, in the heat of the moment. The ability to group them on a range or even in a simulation doesn't always mean that the same shooter could hit the broad side of a barn from ten yards with a near-lethal dose of adrenelin coursing through your body.

Just before I left St. Louis in 2000, I met a young (20-something) cop who had left a rural police force in southern Missouri to become a St. Louis city cop. He was working in a precient that would not be unfamiliar to police from places like Compton. What he told me was that he'd rather pull over a car load of gangbangers on a dark street by himself than mess with one methhead in broad daylight with backup.

[MorganGrayson]

Kirk...I am so very, very sorry about the agent and his family. That was horrible. I imagine the wife lived in constant fear of getting "that visit," and to get it the way she must have gotten it...she's probably going to torture herself for the rest of her life with "if only I had done something different."

The first time I was driving home with my kids and passed up the private drive and kept going, they went "uh...Mom? You missed our driveway." I calmly said "no, I didn't miss it. That car has been behind us for several turns and I'm not about to lead him to where we live. Don't turn around, just sit there." Like most times, the car was simply going to a house farther up the street. I always drove right past the driveway, though, and always kept an eye in the rearview mirror. Perhaps excessively paranoid, but as I told the kids, you only had to be wrong once.

This woman wasn't wrong. A meth addict was following the family of a narcotics officer. :(

PD...I've read a lot of books by different authors that all said the same thing. Handguns are useless for most situations/people from a distance of more than 10 feet. All that "magic shooting" in movies is just that: movie magic. (Like the handguns that seem to have clips of 200 bullets in them.) Lawrence Block writes a series about a hit man who, when he intends to use a gun, never intends to do anything more than shove it into the victims body and pull the trigger. The character always says he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn otherwise. (I know I'm speaking here about fictional characters.)

[voodooman]

Kirk...I am so very, very sorry about the agent and his family. That was horrible. I imagine the wife lived in constant fear of getting "that visit," and to get it the way she must have gotten it...she's probably going to torture herself for the rest of her life with "if only I had done something different."

The first time I was driving home with my kids and passed up the private drive and kept going, they went "uh...Mom? You missed our driveway." I calmly said "no, I didn't miss it. That car has been behind us for several turns and I'm not about to lead him to where we live. Don't turn around, just sit there." Like most times, the car was simply going to a house farther up the street. I always drove right past the driveway, though, and always kept an eye in the rearview mirror. Perhaps excessively paranoid, but as I told the kids, you only had to be wrong once.

This woman wasn't wrong. A meth addict was following the family of a narcotics officer. :(

PD...I've read a lot of books by different authors that all said the same thing. Handguns are useless for most situations/people from a distance of more than 10 feet. All that "magic shooting" in movies is just that: movie magic. (Like the handguns that seem to have clips of 200 bullets in them.) Lawrence Block writes a series about a hit man who, when he intends to use a gun, never intends to do anything more than shove it into the victims body and pull the trigger. The character always says he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn otherwise. (I know I'm speaking here about fictional characters.)

I guess Im different, I love to *play* with methheads. Dopers are just a unique bunch of people that provide me with hours of entertainment. With the influx of Guatemalans here and the laws concerning the sale of meth ingredients has become to difficult and expensive to produce anymore, cocaine has made its way back into our area. Ever seen a guatemalan on coke? hahahaha it's like a 5'2 125# pitbull but weaker. Last night an alledged Guat. went into a store here and sliced a lady up pretty good. She was life flighted to a hospital in Texas and we are still looking for the cutter. We will make an arrest tonight though.

[PornoDoggy]

I broke a heavy flashlight over the head of a 5'2 125# sailor on PCP one time when standing a Shore Patrol watch (they wouldn’t let us carry maglights, even if we bought our own).

Said seaman thereupon picked me up (about 195 pounds at the time) and threw me across the room.

It took 6 of us to subdue him. He was continuing to struggle with a skull fracture & concussion, 11 broken ribs, and six or seven other fractures, breaks, and contusions that alone should have put him down.

Of course, we were investigated for abusing a prisoner on the word of the military doctor who examined him when he got to the dispensary...

I wouldn’t take your job for nuthin. No how, no way.

I live in the heart of meth country - not as bad as many places, but it's getting worse. We have a local radio station that advertises itself as serving four counties, three prisions, and a half-a-million cows.

I do think it’s kind of interesting, though, that if I am driving my 95 Lumina or the 05 Liberty and get stopped for going 64 in a 55, I get a ticket or told to go on my merry way and slow the fuck down.

If, however, I am driving my 88 Chevy pickup (that still clings proudly to some red paint left between the rust) at 59 in a 55, I get to meet three or four fine officers of the law, they bring out a doggy and give it a tour of the vehicle, and embarrass me by exposing the Turtles and Heath Bar wrappers I hide behind the seat.

The first time that happened, I had run out of Claritin and Flonase, so I had – you guessed it – a big box of Pseudephed sitting next to me on the seat.

Maybe they just admire my truck?