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Dravyk
10-01-2005, 01:47 PM
Never thought I'd say this. Not ever. But ...

While I like a lot of the old music (80s were the best), and like the newer rock music too ... overall, it seems of late that rock pretty much sucks overall.

So flicking around the dial, among VHS1, MTV and the like ... I'm starting to find myself more often, slowly but ever-increasingly, turning on the country music channel.

The beats are more rock (old-style) than the alleged "rock" is. The music more down-to-earth and real somehow.

I'm so sick of the general stations being hip-hop, shake the booty, shoot the cop, look at my bling ... and the so-called rockers are all sitting on stools doing slow boring acoustics ...

I turn on the country station, there's electric guitars, dancable beats, normal stuff, unpretentious and fun and rocking!!

Yep, I think this old-rocker is going a bit country now. Never thought I'd say that.

Anyone else listen to today's country music?

voodooman
10-01-2005, 01:51 PM
Im in Oklahoma, I don't have much of a choice. :(

Trev
10-01-2005, 02:53 PM
Never thought I'd say this. Not ever. But ...

While I like a lot of the old music (80s were the best), and like the newer rock music too ... overall, it seems of late that rock pretty much sucks overall.

So flicking around the dial, among VHS1, MTV and the like ... I'm starting to find myself more often, slowly but ever-increasingly, turning on the country music channel.

The beats are more rock (old-style) than the alleged "rock" is. The music more down-to-earth and real somehow.

I'm so sick of the general stations being hip-hop, shake the booty, shoot the cop, look at my bling ... and the so-called rockers are all sitting on stools doing slow boring acoustics ...

I turn on the country station, there's electric guitars, dancable beats, normal stuff, unpretentious and fun and rocking!!

Yep, I think this old-rocker is going a bit country now. Never thought I'd say that.

Anyone else listen to today's country music?
Is there some kind of therapy you can get for this... electroshock maybe :blink:

TheEnforcer
10-01-2005, 02:56 PM
I've got a bit of everything in my listening tastes. I enjoy everything from classical with Bach to heavy metal with metallica.

MorganGrayson
10-01-2005, 03:01 PM
Dravyk...I know how you feel. I couldn't sleep one night, so I got up and flicked on the television and caught the tail end of a repeat of the Tonight show. A band called "Sugarland" was performing, and they just blew me away. (I had to check the cable guide to get the band name.) So...to my disbelief, really...I bought their CD. Love it. I hadn't bought a country cd since I got Alabama's greatest hits about 100 years ago. Sugarland has some very talented people.

Country has changed a lot. It used to be that an hours exposure to a country music channel and I'd want to slit my wrists. The songs were just so damned depressing. Now, the stuff on the alleged "rock" channel is the stuff that's so damned depressing.

I avoid rap like the plague. I tried to get into it and give it a fair shot, because I'm a word freak, and I assumed rap was all about use of the language. I was disabused of that notion quickly. The only rap I can actually stand is the silly Will Smith stuff that "real" rap fans think is stupid.

PornoDoggy
10-01-2005, 03:10 PM
I went a little bit country during the convergence of the Outlaw era (Willie & Waylon & the boys) with the Disco era, when (for the most part) rock was so dead you coulda stuck a fork in it.

Listen to it nearly as much as I do anything else (part of that is for the same reason as voodooman, but did it when I lived in the city too). Every live country show I've seen in the last ten years has included an obligatory rock set, and most of it was genuinely gawddamned good.

Newton
10-01-2005, 03:17 PM
I listen to anything from from chilled to metal and country don't figure in there anywhere .. thank fuck lol

PornoDoggy
10-01-2005, 03:23 PM
Dravyk...I know how you feel. I couldn't sleep one night, so I got up and flicked on the television and caught the tail end of a repeat of the Tonight show. A band called "Sugarland" was performing, and they just blew me away. (I had to check the cable guide to get the band name.) So...to my disbelief, really...I bought their CD. Love it. I hadn't bought a country cd since I got Alabama's greatest hits about 100 years ago. Sugarland has some very talented people.

Country has changed a lot. It used to be that an hours exposure to a country music channel and I'd want to slit my wrists. The songs were just so damned depressing. Now, the stuff on the alleged "rock" channel is the stuff that's so damned depressing.

I avoid rap like the plague. I tried to get into it and give it a fair shot, because I'm a word freak, and I assumed rap was all about use of the language. I was disabused of that notion quickly. The only rap I can actually stand is the silly Will Smith stuff that "real" rap fans think is stupid.

I'm not overly wild about much of what I hear on country music radio today, because it ain't nothing but pop music with a slightly country beat. IMHO, the quality of country music has shown a sharp decline since 9/11 because of the ability to make a quick buck off of jingoistic bullsht that George M. Cohen woulda been proud of.

I listen to some of the alt-country stuff on Real and other resources; I've also been a fan of bluegrass since The Nitty Gritty Dirt Band did the first "Circle" recordings 30+ years ago.

I love music, but the difference between a good song and a great song is almost always the lyrics for me. As such, I think rap may be one of the greatest disappointments of the last 25 years. I agree with Gil Scott-Heron (Last Poets [Revolution Will Not Be Televised, et al]), who told a reporter who called him the "father" of rap, "If I'm the daddy, I gotta get with that baby's momma, 'cuz we have messed up that kid BAD."

PornoDoggy
10-01-2005, 03:27 PM
She's been playing in a room on a strip
For ten years in Vegas
Every night she looks in the mirror
But she only ages
She's been reading about Nashville and all
The records that everybody's buying
Says 'I'm a simple girl myself
Grew up on Long Island'
So she packs her bags to try to her hand
Says this might be my last chance

She's gone country, look at then boots
She's gone country, but to her roots
She's gone country, a new kind of suit
She's gone country, here she comes

Well the folk scene is dead
But he's holding out in the village
He's been writing songs speaking out
Against wealth and privilege
He says 'I dont believe in money
But a man could make him a killin'
Cause some of that stuff dont sound
Much different than Dylan
I hear down there it's changed you see
They're not as backwards as they used to be

He's gone country, look at then boots
He's gone country, but to her roots
He's gone country, a new kind of suit
He's gone country, here he comes

He commutes to LA
But he's got a house in the valley
But the bills are piling up
And the pop scene just aint on the rally
He says 'Honey I'm a serious composer
Schooled in voice and composition
But with the crime and the smog these days
This aint no place for children
Lord it sounds so easy it shouldnt take long
Be back in the money in no time at all'

He's gone country, look at then boots
He's gone country, but to her roots
He's gone country, a new kind of suit
He's gone country, here he comes
Yeah he's gone country, a new kind of walk
He's gone country, a new kind of talk
He's gone country, look at them boots
He's gone country, oh back to his roots

He's gone country
He's gone country
Everybody's gone country
Yeah we've gone country
The whole world's gone country

sarettah
10-01-2005, 03:49 PM
The ultimate country song:

I'm sittin alone, Saturday night, watching the Late Late Show.
A bottle of wine, some cigarettes, I got no place to go.
Well, I saw your other man today; he was wearing my brand new shoes,
And I'm down to seeds and stems again, too.

Well, I met my old friend Bob today from up in Bowling Green;
He had the prettiest little gal that I'd ever seen.
But I couldn't hide my tears at all, cause she looked just like you,
And I'm down to seeds and stems again, too.

Now everybody tells me there's other ways to get high.
They don't seem to understand I'm too far gone to try.
Now these lonely memories, they're all I can't lose,
And I'm down to seeds and stems again, too.

Well my dog died just the other day and left me all alone.
The finance company dropped by today and repossessed my home.
That's just a drop in the bucket compared to losing you,
And I'm down to seeds and stems again, too.

Got the Down to Seeds and Stems again Blues.


:okthumb:

MorganGrayson
10-01-2005, 03:54 PM
I'm not overly wild about much of what I hear on country music radio today, because it ain't nothing but pop music with a slightly country beat. IMHO, the quality of country music has shown a sharp decline since 9/11 because of the ability to make a quick buck off of jingoistic bullsht that George M. Cohen woulda been proud of.

I listen to some of the alt-country stuff on Real and other resources; I've also been a fan of bluegrass since The Nitty Gritty Dirt Band did the first "Circle" recordings 30+ years ago.

I love music, but the difference between a good song and a great song is almost always the lyrics for me. As such, I think rap may be one of the greatest disappointments of the last 25 years. I agree with Gil Scott-Heron (Last Poets [Revolution Will Not Be Televised, et al]), who told a reporter who called him the "father" of rap, "If I'm the daddy, I gotta get with that baby's momma, 'cuz we have messed up that kid BAD."

I am also seriously into lyrics. I've heard so many people say "oh, I've never really listened to the words" that I swear I'm smacking the next one up'side the head. I used to have an entire collection of artists that made me sit down with a pad, pencil and the lyric sheet every time I bought a new LP. I used to analyze lyrics and pretty much challenge every word.

I have a monologue on the subject that various people have been kind enough - they were forced, might as well take it with dignity - to listen to. Tapping on the steering wheel while stuck in traffic is a perfectly legitimate way to appreciate music. There are a lot more levels, though, and I feel sorry for those who miss them. I wish I was a musician so that I could comment intelligently on the music, but I'm pretty much limited to "wow" and "damn, I love that part."

I'm so pulled by lyrics that I have to listen to classical, jazz or samba music when I write or I get distracted.

PornoDoggy
10-01-2005, 03:54 PM
Bah - that is obviously NOT the perfect
country and western song because he hadn't said anything about
Momma, or trains, or trucks, or prison, or gettin' drunk.

FloridasFinest
10-01-2005, 03:58 PM
I'm not overly wild about much of what I hear on country music radio today, because it ain't nothing but pop music with a slightly country beat. IMHO, the quality of country music has shown a sharp decline since 9/11 because of the ability to make a quick buck off of jingoistic bullsht that George M. Cohen woulda been proud of.

I listen to some of the alt-country stuff on Real and other resources; I've also been a fan of bluegrass since The Nitty Gritty Dirt Band did the first "Circle" recordings 30+ years ago.

I love music, but the difference between a good song and a great song is almost always the lyrics for me. As such, I think rap may be one of the greatest disappointments of the last 25 years. I agree with Gil Scott-Heron (Last Poets [Revolution Will Not Be Televised, et al]), who told a reporter who called him the "father" of rap, "If I'm the daddy, I gotta get with that baby's momma, 'cuz we have messed up that kid BAD."

I completly agree, Rap now a days is a great disappointment!! I am a music buff! I can and like to listen to everything. It seem like rap these days is nothing but thugs talking and glorifying street ghetto life!!!

Newton
10-01-2005, 03:58 PM
Bah - that is obviously NOT the perfect
country and western song because he hadn't said anything about
Momma, or trains, or trucks, or prison, or gettin' drunk.

ooh points for that for being spot on :okthumb:

Newton
10-01-2005, 04:06 PM
I completly agree, Rap now a days is a great disappointment!! I am a music buff! I can and like to listen to everything. It seem like rap these days is nothing but thugs talking and glorifying street ghetto life!!!

I think the last great rap track I heard was 2pac "brendas got a baby" great harmonies .. hmm I need to find that again .. along with 'Stand by me' an excellent version from reggae star Tippa Irie ..

sarettah
10-01-2005, 04:17 PM
ooh points for that for being spot on :okthumb:


Sheez, the closest that is to being "Spot on" is a spot on my ass.....


Let's examine if you will:

Point 1: Getting drunk. Please reference the bottle of wine in line 2. He is obviously preparing to get drunk or is already drunk.

Point 2: The truck. Again reference Line 2: "I got no place to go". Obviously, if he did have some where to go, he would go there in his cheby pick em up truck.

Point 3: Prison. Where the hell do you think he met his old friend Bob. It was while doing 3-5 for drunken driving (please note the second reference to drunkenness)

Pont 4: Train. He happens to be watching "the great train robbery" on the late late show.

Point 5: Momma. He's from Arkansas, who the hell do you think he's singing about anyway ? (Although, to be fair, it could be his sister)


I have listened to country music off an on for a long time. This stuff is deep and often has to be interpreted properly :blink:

sarettah
10-01-2005, 04:25 PM
It was just after dark when the truck started down
the hill that leads into Scranton Pennsylvania.
Carrying thirty thousand pounds of bananas.
Carrying thirty thousand pounds (hit it Big John) of bananas.

He was a young driver,
just out on his second job.
And he was carrying the next day's pasty fruits
for everyone in that coal-scarred city
where children play without despair
in backyard slag-piles and folks manage to eat each day
about thirty thousand pounds of bananas.
Yes, just about thirty thousand pounds (scream it again, John) .

He passed a sign that he should have seen,
saying shift to low gear, a fifty dollar fine my friend.
He was thinking perhaps about the warm-breathed woman
who was waiting at the journey's end.
He started down the two mile drop,
the curving road that wound from the top of the hill.

He was pushing on through the shortening miles that ran down to the depot.
Just a few more miles to go,
then he'd go home and have her ease his long, cramped day away.
and the smell of thirty thousand pounds of bananas.
Yes the smell of thirty thousand pounds of bananas.

He was picking speed as the city spread its twinkling lights below him.
But he paid no heed as the shivering thoughts of the nights
delights went through him.
His foot nudged the brakes to slow him down.
But the pedal floored easy without a sound.
He said Christ!
It was funny how he had named the only man who could save him now.
He was trapped inside a dead-end hellslide,
riding on his fear-hunched back
was every one of those yellow green
I'm telling you thirty thousand pounds of bananas.
Yes, there were thirty thousand pounds of bananas.

He barely made the sweeping curve that led into the steepest grade.
And he missed the thankful passing bus at ninety miles an hour.
And he said God, make it a dream!
as he rode his last ride down.

And he said God, make it a dream!
as he rode his last ride down.

And he sideswiped nineteen neat parked cars,
clipped off thirteen telephone poles,
hit two houses, bruised eight trees,
and Blue-Crossed seven people.
it was then he lost his head,
not to mention an arm or two before he stopped.

And he slid for four hundred yards
along the hill that leads into Scranton, Pennsylvania.
All those thirty thousand pounds of bananas.

You know the man who told me about it on the bus,
as it went up the hill out of Scranton, Pennsylvania,
he shrugged his shoulders, he shook his head,
and he said (and this is exactly what he said)

Boy that sure must've been something.
Just imagine thirty thousand pounds of bananas.

Yes, there were thirty thousand pounds of mashed bananas.

Of bananas. Just bananas. Thirty thousand pounds.
of Bananas. not no driver now. Just bananas!

(From Greatest Stories Live: Ending #2: The country western ending)

A woman walks into her room where her child lies sleeping,
and when she sees his eyes are closed,
she sits there, silently weeping,
and though she lives in Scranton, Pennsylvania
She never ever eats ... Bananas
Not one of thirty thousand pounds .... of bananas

PornoDoggy
10-01-2005, 04:33 PM
That is far too in-tee-leck-shal fer country music.

Simplify! Simplify! Simplify!

I was drunk the day my momma got out of prision
and I went to pick her up in the rain
but before I could get to the station in my pickup truck
She got runned over by a damned old train ...

I'll be in the room all weekend - and you don't even have to call me by my name.

sarettah
10-01-2005, 04:42 PM
That is far too in-tee-leck-shal fer country music.

Simplify! Simplify! Simplify!

I was drunk the day my momma got out of prision
and I went to pick her up in the rain
but before I could get to the station in my pickup truck
She got runned over by a damned old train ...

I'll be in the room all weekend - and you don't even have to call me by my name.


:wnw:

Dravyk
10-01-2005, 04:48 PM
Rap, yuck. Rock has lost it's edge.

You know, with rock ... how many female rockers can you think of? Last few years, Avril is about it. Recent pop? Maybe five, ten tops. Ok, back to rock how about over the course of the last three decades? Pat Benatar, Chrissy Hines, Joan Jett ... a few others.

I look at country and it's like, wow, 50% women! And yes they play the guitar and do keyboards and sing.

As to rock and country ... Bruce Springsteen often has had a country edge to many of his songs, ditto Bon Jovi. Bob Seeger obviously. ZZ Top, country influence. That's what I'm hearing a LOT more with the country stuff -- yet the other way around! It seems to be almost gone in rock these days. U2 being one of the very few exceptions of recent note.

PornoDoggy
10-01-2005, 04:52 PM
Bruce?

Bruce Springsteen?

Country? Too much PBR last night?

Bruce is definitely folky a la Dylan, but I don't see country in Bruce.

Dravyk
10-01-2005, 04:55 PM
Bruce?

Bruce Springsteen?

Country? Too much PBR last night?

Bruce is definitely folky a la Dylan, but I don't see country in Bruce.Nebraska

Darlington County

Glory Days (has a bit of cross-over flavor to it)

Three off the top of my head. :)

JR
10-01-2005, 04:55 PM
he's "a little" bit country too

http://www.worldwidewillie.com/willie-nelson.jpg

Dravyk
10-01-2005, 04:58 PM
he's "a little" bit country too

http://www.worldwidewillie.com/willie-nelson.jpgMinibon! Love the new look!! http://oprano.com/msgboard/images/smilies/ok.gif

Newton
10-01-2005, 04:59 PM
Sheez, the closest that is to being "Spot on" is a spot on my ass.....


Let's examine if you will:

Point 1: Getting drunk. Please reference the bottle of wine in line 2. He is obviously preparing to get drunk or is already drunk.

Point 2: The truck. Again reference Line 2: "I got no place to go". Obviously, if he did have some where to go, he would go there in his cheby pick em up truck.

Point 3: Prison. Where the hell do you think he met his old friend Bob. It was while doing 3-5 for drunken driving (please note the second reference to drunkenness)

Pont 4: Train. He happens to be watching "the great train robbery" on the late late show.

Point 5: Momma. He's from Arkansas, who the hell do you think he's singing about anyway ? (Although, to be fair, it could be his sister)


I have listened to country music off an on for a long time. This stuff is deep and often has to be interpreted properly :blink:


Bullshit .. I had this long post laid out explaining the flaws in your argument, but decided fuck it .. I am giving PD more points ;)

sarettah
10-01-2005, 05:06 PM
I had this long post laid out explaining the flaws in your argument



:nyanya:

Nickatilynx
10-01-2005, 05:10 PM
I'm a little bit cunty.

:)

Dravyk
10-01-2005, 05:16 PM
Remember when rock was fun?

Wild Thing ... Magic Carpet Rides ... Dancin in the Dark ... My homeroom angel is a Centerfold ... Start Me Up ... Love Shack ....

I don't see that anymore in rock. http://oprano.com/msgboard/images/smilies/sad.gif

Now it's ... The Reason (Hoobastank) ... My Sacrifice (Creed) ... One Last Breathe (Nickelback) ... Unwell (Matchbox 20) ... Bleed For Me (Saliva) ...

Sheesh!!! http://oprano.com/msgboard/images/smilies/sad.gif

Meanwhile ... seems country knows how to party and make fun of itself at the same time! http://oprano.com/msgboard/images/smilies/smile.gif

Hicktown

Little Jimmy Jackson is jackin? up his Bronco
He?s gonna lay a little rubber later on at the truck pull
All the girls are getting? pretty sprayin? on the White Rain
Yeah they?re gonna get a rowdy tonight down at the football game
Yeah

Chorus:
We let it rip when we got the money
Let it roll if we got the gas
It gets wild yeah but that?s the way we get down
In a Hicktown

Well you can see the neighbors butt crack nailing on his shingles
And his woman?s? smokin? Pall Mall?s watchin? Laura Ingles
And Granny?s getting? lit she?s headin? out to bingo
Yeah my buddies and me are goin? muddin? down on Blue Hole Road
You know You know

Chorus:
We let it rip when we got the money
Let it roll if we got the gas
It gets wild yeah but that?s the way we get down
In a Hicktown

(Bridge)

We hear folks in the city party in Martini Bars
And they like to show off in their fancy foreign cars
Out here in the boondocks we buy beer at Amoco
And crank our Kraco speakers with that country radio

Chorus
We let it rip when we got the money
Let it roll if we got the gas
It gets wild yeah but that's the way we get down
Oh Oh We let it rip when we got the money
Let it roll if we got the gas
Its buck wild yeah but that's the way we get down
In a Hicktown
In a Hicktown
It's the way we get down
In a Hicktown
Yeah in a Hicktown

Oh we aint finished yet
We got yer country boys and yer redneck girls
It?s the party heard round the world
Right here in Hicktown
Yeah In Hicktown
The whole town's gettin' down

sarettah
10-01-2005, 05:29 PM
Ok, when my youngest (who is now 14) was very young, her Grandma babysat for her daily, so she did quite a bit of riding around with Grandma and Grandpa.

They both listened to nothing but country.

So, when she came over my house (every weekend) and I have never been able to tell her no to pretty much anything (unfortunately she knows this) whenever we were in the car we had to listen to country.

At first I was irked, but as I listened further on I became aware that the formula many of the current country people were using was to reach back to the 60's and early 70's for material.

Then, the more independent folks like Martina McBride and Faith Hill were doing what can only be considered straight out rock and roll under the name of "country".

So, country does not have the "stigma" it might have once had as far as I am concerned. Although I have always listened to a very wide variety of music personally....

Newton
10-01-2005, 05:29 PM
:nyanya:

I just couldnt shatter your delusions :)

Dravyk
10-01-2005, 06:18 PM
So, country does not have the "stigma" it might have once had as far as I am concerned. Although I have always listened to a very wide variety of music personally....
The days of Country and ... the Grand Old Opry, Minnie Pearl, Roy Clark and that kinda stuff that I could never ever get into! Yuuuuuuck!!!

I think Gareth Brooks and Shania (yummy!) Twain really broke country open to the modern era.

Dravyk
10-01-2005, 06:19 PM
I just couldnt shatter your delusions http://oprano.com/msgboard/images/smilies/smile.gifIf you shattered Sarettah's delusions, he'd have nothing left! http://oprano.com/msgboard/images/smilies/bustingupNEW3.gif



Sorry, Sare! Too irresistable not to go there!

Newton
10-01-2005, 06:41 PM
I set it up for someone, glad it was you especially after someone took all your points lol

Dravyk
10-01-2005, 07:03 PM
I set it up for someone, glad it was you especially after someone took all your points lolhehe Thanks, mate! Yep, I owed him. :)

Trev
10-01-2005, 07:07 PM
hehe Thanks, mate! Yep, I owed him. :)
I just can't beleive you've ever posted anything worth 1,000,000+ points :scratchin


Okay... who you sucking off :bla:

Dravyk
10-01-2005, 07:12 PM
I just can't beleive you've ever posted anything worth 1,000,000+ points http://oprano.com/msgboard/images/smilies/scratchinghead.gif

Okay... who you sucking off http://oprano.com/msgboard/images/smilies/tongue1.gifThat was negative 1000000 points!

And apparently who didn't I do?!

Newton
10-01-2005, 07:13 PM
That was negative 1000000 points!

And apparently who didn't I do?!

ah well mate, one swallow does not a summer make lol

Trev
10-01-2005, 07:15 PM
That was negative 1000000 points!

And apparently who didn't I do?!
It was the fact that you *seemed* to be at -million or so, that prompted me to post... now you're at 17, I bet you're pooped :p





Hot tea is good for numb lips ;)

Dravyk
10-01-2005, 07:16 PM
ah well mate, one swallow does not a summer make lolYour hanging around Sarettah too much, me thinks. :unsure:

Dravyk
10-01-2005, 07:17 PM
Hot tea is good for numb lips http://oprano.com/msgboard/images/smilies/wink.gifWell, you're the expert! http://oprano.com/msgboard/images/smilies/bjcum.gif

Muhahahahaha!

Inabon
10-01-2005, 07:18 PM
Minibon! Love the new look!! http://oprano.com/msgboard/images/smilies/ok.gif


jajaja minibon with hair WTF

Trev
10-01-2005, 07:20 PM
Well, you're the expert! http://oprano.com/msgboard/images/smilies/bjcum.gif

Muhahahahaha!
For giving, not on Oprano :box2: ;)

sarettah
10-01-2005, 11:27 PM
If you shattered Sarettah's delusions, he'd have nothing left! http://oprano.com/msgboard/images/smilies/bustingupNEW3.gif



Sorry, Sare! Too irresistable not to go there!


I have not delusions....

Hallucinations a plenty, but no delusions..... :blink:

Steady
10-01-2005, 11:34 PM
Texas...That's a little bit country, and a whole lot of heaven! :)

sarettah
10-02-2005, 12:05 AM
Texas...That's a little bit country, and a whole lot of heaven! :)


I did not know that heaven was full of scorpions, rattlesnakes, dust, and tornadoes.....


Good thing I'm not going there I guess :yowsa:

ReighlynnRaine
10-02-2005, 01:01 AM
I did not know that heaven was full of scorpions, rattlesnakes, dust, and tornadoes.....

You mean you didn't get the pamphlet? Damn the mail service. ;)