View Full Version : DEA Shuts Down Over 4,600 Pharma Sites
Dravyk
09-22-2005, 02:47 PM
DEA busts Web drug sales
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Dozens of doctors caught up in prescription scheme
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The Associated Press
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WASHINGTON — Drug enforcement agents Wednesday arrested at least 18 persons and halted prescription writing by dozens of doctors and a pharmacist in a crackdown on illegal Internet medication sales.
Thirteen arrests were made in Texas and five in Florida. The Drug Enforcement Administration suspended the registrations of 20 doctors and 22 Internet pharmacies in the United States and Puerto Rico to stop them from writing or filling prescriptions.
Agents also shut down at least 4,600 Web sites that the suspects controlled and seized 2,400 checks and money orders written by individuals for $200 each. They also seized seven luxury cars and boxes of cash.
The yearlong multiagency investigation was dubbed Operation CYBERx.
Authorities have started legal procedures to seize several homes belonging to those arrested, valued at about $7.85 million.
Among the suspects were five persons that the DEA alleged were the ringleaders: Johar Saran of Arlington, Texas; Gaston Blanchet and Gil Lozano of Miami; S. Ted Solomon of Orlando, Fla.; and Steve Rosner of Boca Raton, Fla.
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JoesHO
09-22-2005, 03:00 PM
ouch, that is gonna hurt..... wow Pharma is a dangerous game it looks like .
sudden
09-22-2005, 03:35 PM
ouch, that is gonna hurt..... wow Pharma is a dangerous game it looks like .
Yeah, who would've guessed that you might get in trouble for selling Heroin (painkillers) online? Gotta be real bright to figure that one out!
TheEnforcer
09-22-2005, 03:37 PM
Doesn't surprise me in the least.....
MorganGrayson
09-22-2005, 03:44 PM
I *thought* the spam had decreased lately. Hmmm. Guess that's why.
Nickatilynx
09-22-2005, 03:55 PM
Do a search for "hydrocodone"
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=hydrocodone&meta=
Still loads of legitmate places online.
Newton
09-22-2005, 04:00 PM
Doesnt that now mean less competition for the ones still in business and ultimately more orders?
Will we be invading Spain?
http://www.realmedicals.com/
Nickatilynx
09-22-2005, 04:14 PM
Everyone of these busts , when you read them through are a cover not so much for legitmate online orders from legitmate , liscenesed , pharma that are run properly,but as a method of accessing larges quanitites of controlled substances for:
"""" Saran allegedly sold codeine cough syrup to local drug traffickers directly from the backdoor of his warehouses. In just one year Saran purchased in excess of 70,000 pints of this controlled substance. The investigation resulted in several seizures of codeine cough syrup that were being diverted to street sales"""
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=53814
MorganGrayson
09-22-2005, 04:19 PM
Do a search for "hydrocodone"
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=hydrocodone&meta=
Still loads of legitmate places online.
:hmph:
Hey! Quit that! Do I wave booze at you? :p
Personally my pill of choice when I was into pharmaceuticals was Xanax.
http://www.realmedicals.com/xanax_buy.asp
Codeine was all great for the opiate high.
http://www.realmedicals.com/codeine_buy.asp
These days I don't do any of it but not because the American government is wasting money arresting people. So will America be invading Spain or any other country that doesn't require a silly prescription for an adult to buy something?
Dravyk
09-22-2005, 04:50 PM
So will America be invading Spain or any other country that doesn't require a silly prescription for an adult to buy something?Bush is getting bored again. You never know.
Could always try being back alcohol prohibition seeing as that worked so well last time.
were some of these guys really making this much money? anyone know? crazy shit. how can you do that and think you will not get pressure or prosecuted... escpecially after the DEA made it clear for years that this is a huge issue that they will clamp down on.
RyanLanane
09-22-2005, 11:18 PM
I agree with you Nick - but it isn't exactly clear where the line of legality is. Even companies doing it 'by the book' most liekly are violating some sort of federal law. For example every 2 years you are supposed to see your patient face to face.. That's one of the ones i heard recently.
I think this is an intruiging area of internet commerce that will be under scrutiny until regulations are set firmly. In the mean time the companies doing things for the most part by the book (mainly meaning requesting medical records that are recent PRIOR to writing a script etc) will be fine .. Not that I would want to be one of them, just saying ...
RyanLanane
09-22-2005, 11:22 PM
BTW I am prescribed Xanax... by a LEGITIMATE Psychiatrist for my nerves.. I have cut down ALOT - Used to be 4-6 mg a day ... now I am .5 mg X 5.day and lowering it slowly hopefully to be nearly off it in a year or two.. I was told I could literally die going cold turkey....
For people who don't need it I don't see how the 'high' or whatever would do anything for ya.. When I started taking it and had no tolerance (was on .25 mg tabs) I got some 1 mg tabs from a friend.. I took up to 3 of the .25's at a time and popped all three of the 1 mg's ... WOW ... my ass was dizzy and passed out right away..
So all I saw it did when I guess I abused it (even though it was accidental) was that I got really really tired plus a high that wasn't all that great.. just relaxing.. Now if you are taking it because u need to chill out and need it for your nerves I could see why you would want it, but a good legitimate family doctor should be able to prescribe some sort of benzo to help out .. such as time released clonazepam
MorganGrayson
09-23-2005, 09:59 AM
BTW I am prescribed Xanax... by a LEGITIMATE Psychiatrist for my nerves.. I have cut down ALOT - Used to be 4-6 mg a day ... now I am .5 mg X 5.day and lowering it slowly hopefully to be nearly off it in a year or two.. I was told I could literally die going cold turkey....
For people who don't need it I don't see how the 'high' or whatever would do anything for ya.. When I started taking it and had no tolerance (was on .25 mg tabs) I got some 1 mg tabs from a friend.. I took up to 3 of the .25's at a time and popped all three of the 1 mg's ... WOW ... my ass was dizzy and passed out right away..
So all I saw it did when I guess I abused it (even though it was accidental) was that I got really really tired plus a high that wasn't all that great.. just relaxing.. Now if you are taking it because u need to chill out and need it for your nerves I could see why you would want it, but a good legitimate family doctor should be able to prescribe some sort of benzo to help out .. such as time released clonazepam
I used to take Xanax, and could never figure out why it had any street value. (And yes, Ryan, you can fuck yourself up *seriously* going cold turkey, you *never* do that...you come off that stuff very, very slowly...the slower the better.)
I'm on Klonopin (clonazepam) now and it works fine for me. I have a seizure disorder that's triggered by anxiety attacks (that's a fun combo) and the Klonopin really helps.
were some of these guys really making this much money? anyone know? crazy shit. how can you do that and think you will not get pressure or prosecuted... escpecially after the DEA made it clear for years that this is a huge issue that they will clamp down on.
I will give you an idea of what they make if they are successful
My wife has a lot of pain from various thing, and every now and then has to take something. We order norco's from www.norcoworldwide.com
We had an order mixup one time and one of the reps let some info slip that put things into a HUGE perspective
When my wife called the sales rep let it slip, or maybe didn't care, and told my wife that there was approx 423 orders taken to the pharmacy that she had to go through on that day to find my wife's order
now, suppose an average order is $100 (which my wife's is), that is $42,300 for that one day...and with that kind of volume, you have to imagine they are getting the drugs for pretty cheap, i would imagine $.10 or $.20 a pill
so, yes, if done correctly, someone could open up shop for 6 months and live nicely for the rest of their life off that 6 months of being open
now, norcoworldwide.com has a LOT of employees, you can call 3-4 times a day for 3-4 days and never talk to the same person, we have had to do that before...but even with employee pay subtracted from the overhead, it is still a shit ton of money being made
I'm on Klonopin (clonazepam) now and it works fine for me. I have a seizure disorder that's triggered by anxiety attacks (that's a fun combo) and the Klonopin really helps.
i take those too for anxiety...ever had the green mint chewables? those rock
MorganGrayson
09-23-2005, 05:54 PM
i take those too for anxiety...ever had the green mint chewables? those rock
No, I'm more of a "little yellow tablet" patient. I take a fistfull of meds four times a day and won't take anything that changes the way I take meds. My med box has four slots - the three times a day meds and the twice a day meds go into it nicely. 6AM, 8AM, 2PM and 8PM. (Three times a day are the 6-2-8, and twice a day are the 8 and 8.) I once had a doctor try and prescribe something I'd have to take four times a day and I said "absolutely NOT. I'm not set up for that!!" He handled it well. :)
pushpills
09-23-2005, 05:56 PM
No, I'm more of a "little yellow tablet" patient. I take a fistfull of meds four times a day and won't take anything that changes the way I take meds. My med box has four slots - the three times a day meds and the twice a day meds go into it nicely. 6AM, 8AM, 2PM and 8PM. (Three times a day are the 6-2-8, and twice a day are the 8 and 8.) I once had a doctor try and prescribe something I'd have to take four times a day and I said "absolutely NOT. I'm not set up for that!!" He handled it well. :)
why don't you just die already? ;)
Nickatilynx
09-23-2005, 05:56 PM
Nothing recurs like pharma.
;-)))))
MorganGrayson
09-23-2005, 06:20 PM
why don't you just die already? ;)
Please enumerate the things I've ever done to you to deserve that?
I'm curious.
No, I'm more of a "little yellow tablet" patient. I take a fistfull of meds four times a day and won't take anything that changes the way I take meds. My med box has four slots - the three times a day meds and the twice a day meds go into it nicely. 6AM, 8AM, 2PM and 8PM. (Three times a day are the 6-2-8, and twice a day are the 8 and 8.) I once had a doctor try and prescribe something I'd have to take four times a day and I said "absolutely NOT. I'm not set up for that!!" He handled it well. :)
Oh, i hear ya...my wife is the same way, or was, until she had all her surgeries to alleviate her troubles
she now doesn't have any daily medications, which makes her extremely happy, but it took almost 3 years of constant surgeries and procedures to get here though
why don't you just die already? ;)
That was really uncalled for.
MorganGrayson
09-23-2005, 07:10 PM
Oh, i hear ya...my wife is the same way, or was, until she had all her surgeries to alleviate her troubles
she now doesn't have any daily medications, which makes her extremely happy, but it took almost 3 years of constant surgeries and procedures to get here though
I'm so sorry she had to go through that, Jace, but also very happy that she got to the point she's at now. :)
I'm so sorry she had to go through that, Jace, but also very happy that she got to the point she's at now. :)
yeah, us too...lots of surgeries...4 in 3 years, the latest being her heart surgery she had about 2 months ago
she has one more to go to remove an ovary, but that isn't something we are going to rush, she will do that when she is ready
MorganGrayson
09-23-2005, 07:16 PM
yeah, us too...lots of surgeries...4 in 3 years, the latest being her heart surgery she had about 2 months ago
she has one more to go to remove an ovary, but that isn't something we are going to rush, she will do that when she is ready
Yes, she has to have a good rest period in between them. Tell her I sent my best, please. :)
Newton
09-23-2005, 07:19 PM
why don't you just die already? ;)
Why would you say something like that?
Anthony
09-23-2005, 07:32 PM
why don't you just die already? ;)
Idiot.
I can see you say something like that to me. I give back in return.
What has Morgan done to you?
MorganGrayson
09-23-2005, 07:37 PM
Idiot.
I can see you say something like that to me. I give back in return.
What has Morgan done to you?
I've requested an explanation. I felt it was only fair. Perhaps I have inadvertantly injured him in some way. One never knows.
Nickatilynx
09-23-2005, 07:39 PM
I hope he was drunk and joking....
why don't you just die already? ;)
Are you out of your mind?!?!?
Steve, this needs a serious apology!
MorganGrayson
09-23-2005, 07:59 PM
Thank you, gentlemen - and lady - but this does not require any further time on anyone's part.
Any apology, even in the unlikely event that it is given, would be as easy to type as the original remark. It will be just as easy to shrug off. Neither will be accepted and internalized.
Dravyk
09-23-2005, 10:09 PM
Pushpills is turning back into Grogan it seems.
PornoDoggy
09-23-2005, 11:00 PM
Pushpills is turning back into Grogan it seems.
"pushpills" is a very thin veneer that only hides Grogan a very little bit, and that only works for those who wanted it to.
helix
09-23-2005, 11:35 PM
why don't you just die already? ;)
Whats up with that?
I never expected to see a display of stupidity like that on this board....
Dravyk
09-24-2005, 04:21 AM
Whats up with that?
I never expected to see a display of stupidity like that on this board....It's the Grogan factor. :(
PD, well said!!
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