Is Nagin an idiot ? Or just stupid ?

[sarettah]

http://www.boston.com/news/weather/articles/2005/09/19/evacuees_return_to_city_called_premature/

US relief leader says New Orleans not ready

NEW ORLEANS -- With Tropical Storm Rita headed for the Gulf of Mexico and some residents set to return to dry parts of the city today, the head of the federal relief effort continued yesterday to question Mayor C. Ray Nagin's timeline for reopening the city while some poor New Orleanians were starting to wonder how they would ever get back home.

Allen warned Nagin this weekend about tainted drinking water and other environmental contamination, Coast Guard officials said, giving the mayor test results that indicated biological and petroleum residue remained in once-flooded parts of the city.

Nagin, said Coast Guard officials, chose to ignore this. A spokesman for the mayor said Nagin stood behind a statement that said he was balancing safety concerns and the city's need to rebuild. Allen and Nagin were scheduled to meet today.

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[Winetalk.com]

darn...and how do you think Europe was rebuilt after the WW II?
Europe was in worse shape than NOLA, unexpoded ammo all over the places, land mines, and...
your right, they should have waited 'til at least 1970 before they started.

I back Nagin on his decission 100%

[Nickatilynx]

I too back Nagin on this.

However I strongly suspect that he will be opening the City for law suits down the line.

ie "I returned to the city as the mayor said we should return and rebuild and have since suffered from (blank) as a result of the toxins still remaining which the Mayor through his negligence forgot to advise me...yada yada"

[TheEnforcer]

I can understand his desire to get people back home asap but you gotta worry about all sorts of stuff while doing so. Like Nick said, lawsuits for one thing.

[justb]

They're a disorganized mess. They should at least get their emergency systems running again first. Right now they are leaving themselves open to more crime and violence.

[sarettah]

I appreciate the ambition behind Nagin's idea to repopulate quickly, however, he has already proved himself as an inept leader and I think he is best served at this point in time to defer to the professionals in handling emergencies.

If he manages to repopulate and everything turns out good, then he wins big, yes. If instead, folks move back in and get slammed by another storm this year or people start dying from multiple infectuous diseases then his ass is totally gone.

Big difference between this and post WWII. When rebuilding in Europe commenced, they knew the war was already over.


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[Nickatilynx]

LOL....

Sarettah , really...lol

I mean...

"When rebuilding in Europe commenced, they knew the war was already over."

Yeah , they had it easy in comparision.They only had 5,000 cities fucked and what ,30 million dead to deal with.It was a peice of piss compared to rebuilding New Orleans.

[sarettah]

LOL....

Sarettah , really...lol

I mean...

"When rebuilding in Europe commenced, they knew the war was already over."

Yeah , they had it easy in comparision.They only had 5,000 cities fucked and what ,30 million dead to deal with.It was a peice of piss compared to rebuilding New Orleans.


Sheez, I didn't say it made it any easier. It was just more clearly established that they could commence with it without having to worry that someone was gonna start bombing the hell out of it as they went.

Going in and rebuilding and repopulating New Orleans right now is more akin to trying to build a nice new development in the middle of Mosul, Iraq then it is to the rebuilding of Europe.


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[Peaches]

There's actually a storm headed to the gulf now that could give NOLA a fair amount of rain.

[Winetalk.com]

I posted it once on the wine board and I'll gladly do it again:

I enjoy tremendously the opinions of the people who had great expereince in:
running cities size of NOLA
dealing with natural disasters, evacuation plans, rebuilding cities
medical expertise

Please continue, as I know I'll learn more from the posters in this thread than from anybody else.

P.S. please include your qualifications for expert opinions rendered,
to give even MORE weight to your opinions.

[Nickatilynx]

""It was just more clearly established that they could commence with it without having to worry that someone was gonna start bombing the hell out of it as they went.""

You don't think the US and Britain were thinking "hmmm this might be the best shot we have at taking out Stalin" ?

[Weg Cory]

There's actually a storm headed to the gulf now that could give NOLA a fair amount of rain.

Do you know what the water temperature in The Gulf of Mexico is?

[sarettah]

And just to be accurate, the rebuilding of Europe did not start immediately after the end of the war. In fact the US waited more than 2 years (Marshall Plan, 1947) after the official end of the war in Europe in 1945 to produce an actual plan for their part in the reconstruction effort.

They waited until it was proven that Europe could NOT rebuild itself before jumping in and kick starting the process with an influx of cash.

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[Peaches]

Do you know what the water temperature in The Gulf of Mexico is?
87.1 in Grand Isle - why do you ask?

[Trev]

87.1 in Grand Isle - why do you ask?
I believe water temperature has a lot to do with the formation of hurricanes.

[sarettah]

I posted it once on the wine board and I'll gladly do it again:

I enjoy tremendously the opinions of the people who had great expereince in:
running cities size of NOLA
dealing with natural disasters, evacuation plans, rebuilding cities
medical expertise

Please continue, as I know I'll learn more from the posters in this thread than from anybody else.

P.S. please include your qualifications for expert opinions rendered,
to give even MORE weight to your opinions.

Nagin has 3 years experience on me in running a city of any size. I put my qualifications out as a prior member of the military trained and with experience in disaster management, crisis control and crowd control. As far as my medical qualifications, I know how to give CPR which is probably a whole lot more than he does.

So his expert opinion is an opinion based on very limited experience in dealing with running a city (and from the number of folks in New Orleans govenrnment under investigation prior to Katrina it appears he wasn't doing a great job at it.) and pretty much zero experience in dealing with disaster management at any level.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Nagin

Before his election, Nagin was a member of the Republican Party and had little political experience; he was a vice president and general manager at Cox Communications, a cable communications company and subsidiary of Cox Enterprises. Nagin did give contributions periodically to candidates, including President George W. Bush and former Republican U.S. Representative Billy Tauzin in 1999 and 2000, as well as to Democratic U.S. Senators John Breaux and J. Bennett Johnston earlier in the decade

[Weg Cory]

Nagin has 3 years experience on me in running a city of any size. I put my qualifications out as

You are a voter. You are already overqualified.

Peaches, I think a fair amount of rain anywhere over the gulf could result in a Hurricane.

[PornoDoggy]

Cory, I don't think hurricanes actually form in the Gulf ...

[Weg Cory]

Cory, I don't think hurricanes actually form in the Gulf ...

They don't form per se, however, they thrive, prosper, ....

Go look at the infared radars this morning.

[Weg Cory]

http://www.foxnews.com/images/177622/4_23_091905_rita.jpg

[Red]

Cory, I don't think hurricanes actually form in the Gulf ...

Right. They just hang around in the gulf building up strength.

[Weg Cory]

Right. They just hang around in the gulf building up strength.

Thanks.

[PornoDoggy]

They don't form per se, however, they thrive, prosper, ....

Go look at the infared radars this morning.
Yeah, been watching that one for a couple of days. Misread your post, I guess.

[Winetalk.com]

And just to be accurate, the rebuilding of Europe did not start immediately after the end of the war. In fact the US waited more than 2 years (Marshall Plan, 1947) after the official end of the war in Europe in 1945 to produce an actual plan for their part in the reconstruction effort.

They waited until it was proven that Europe could NOT rebuild itself before jumping in and kick starting the process with an influx of cash.

.............

Marshall Plan has nothing to do with rebuilding of Eastern Europe...which followed Stalin's plan.

Sare, how can you get your historical and geographical facts wrong?
Is your Europe ends at West Berlin?
;)

[Rolo]

They waited until it was proven that Europe could NOT rebuild itself before jumping in and kick starting the process with an influx of cash.

.............¨

I would not say "kick started"... Marshall Plan was "only" $100 billion in todays money, so the effectiveness was not great in europe, but it did help in the rebuild process, and in isolating the evil Soviets ;-)))

[Weg Cory]

We are an intellectually advanced species. We are also a passionate species.

I am more passionate than I am advanced.

Nothing wrong with that, however, you better be tough. Passion will take you to a lot of places, you just might not want to be in all of them once you arrive.

[Winetalk.com]

Cory, I don't think hurricanes actually form in the Gulf ...


nice...now we have an expert meteorologist joining the fray...

Cory,
please tell more about rains and hurricaines formation correlations

[Weg Cory]

nice...now we have an expert meteorologist joining the fray...

Cory,
please tell more about rains and hurricaines formation correlations

The water temperature in the gulf is currently conducive to accelerating a tropical storm into a hurricane. The city of New Orleans is currently not prepared to deal with a hurricane. The coastlines of Africa are prepared to deal tropical storms into the gulf.

I don't think that requires expertise.

I don't care if Nagin allows people to return. People are priviledged to the same information he is.

[Nickatilynx]

We are an intellectually advanced species. We are also a passionate species.

I am more passionate than I am advanced.

Nothing wrong with that, however, you better be tough. Passion will take you to a lot of places, you just might not want to be in all of them once you arrive.

If passion drives you, let reason hold the reins. ~ Benjamin Franklin

Subdue your passion or it will subdue you.~ Horace

[sarettah]

Cory, I don't think hurricanes actually form in the Gulf ...

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/HAW2/english/history.shtml

Look at:

Audrey '57
Camille '69
Agnes '72
Alicia '83
Alberto '94
Opal '95
Allison '01


So, while most Hurricanes do form in the Atlantic, there have been quite a few that have formed in the Gulf or real close to it.


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[Weg Cory]

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/HAW2/english/history.shtml

Look at:

Audrey '57
Camille '69
Agnes '72
Alicia '83
Alberto '94
Opal '95
Allison '01


So, while most Hurricanes do form in the Atlantic, there have been quite a few that have formed in the Gulf or real close to it.


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No?

This can't be accurate.

Now, lets go back to my original post: What is the water temperature in the Gulf right now?

I love a full-circle.

[Nickatilynx]

What makes us all experts ,Serge? Simple.."Google!" :)

[sarettah]

Marshall Plan has nothing to do with rebuilding of Eastern Europe...which followed Stalin's plan.

Sare, how can you get your historical and geographical facts wrong?
Is your Europe ends at West Berlin?
;)


Well, shit, of course my Europe ends where Ivan begins. Public schools, cold war, what the hell would you expect. All those people on the eastern side were living in squalid conditions as virtual slaves waiting in bread lines and hiding from the KGB lest they get sent to the Gulag. They told me so in school :blink:


.

[Weg Cory]

What makes us all experts ,Serge? Simple.."Google!" :)

Politicians are not experts, they are slaves to funding and voters.

[PornoDoggy]

I was wrong ...

Am I allowed to say that on a BBS?

[Nickatilynx]

Politicians are not experts, they are slaves to funding and voters.

Which of us is truly free? For food , water and our common needs we have all become dependent upon our slaves ~ Aristophanes































ok...I just made that up...but he might have said it....:)

[Nickatilynx]

I was wrong ...

Am I allowed to say that on a BBS?

Bush would be proud!!!

You admitted you were wrong , but you didn't apologise!

Well done!

:)

[PornoDoggy]

Don't you have some emails to send?

[Weg Cory]

Everyone relax. The right wing "open the city" supporters will be along shortly to condemn it.

Their leader has spoken:

"The mayor -- you know, he's got this dream about having a city up and running, and we share that dream," Bush said. "But we also want to be realistic about some of the hurdles and obstacles that we all confront in repopulating New Orleans."

One of many concerns, Bush said, is that the city could face flooding again if another storm were to come along. The levees that broke could break again.

Tropical Storm Rita, churning toward the Florida Keys, could work its way through the Gulf and affect Louisiana, Bush said. (Watch Tropical Storm Rita sweep towards Gulf)

Now, he said the same thing I said. But I am no expert.

[Nickatilynx]

Don't you have some emails to send?

Nope.....

These new fangled thingymebobs called computers do it all...and of course Technick. :)

My raison d'etre is to piss off Americans :)

yup...checked my notes...

1.) Remind Americans they have no knowledge of anything outside there borders , That they elected Bush twice , Most know fuck all about Geography , in fact they have a limited knowledge on most matters.
2.) Play poker ( take money from Americans , throw said money onto pile already accumulated and laugh like a bitch whilst screaming "I'm riiiich , beyatches!! ( - I actually do , do that , ask Anthony)
3.) Shop with wife for some non American products ( shoddy workmanship will fall apart and over priced)
4.) Check auctions for any works of art I may want to purchase ( No works by Americans)
5.) Cook dinner. Think I'll make Apple pie ( A Canadian desert)
6.) Watch TV..American channels and say how poor it is , then watch BBC TV.

Thats pretty much it for today. :)

[Weg Cory]

Nope.....

These new fangled thingymebobs called computers do it all...and of course Technick. :)

My raison d'etre is to piss off Americans :)

yup...checked my notes...

1.) Remind Americans they have no knowledge of anything outside there borders , That they elected Bush twice , Most know fuck all about Geography , in fact they have a limited knowledge on most matters.
2.) Play poker ( take money from Americans , throw said money onto pile already accumulated and laugh like a bitch whilst screaming "I'm riiiich , beyatches!! ( - I actually do , do that , ask Anthony)
3.) Shop with wife for some non American products ( shoddy workmanship will fall apart and over priced)
4.) Check auctions for any works of art I may want to purchase ( No works by Americans)
5.) Cook dinner. Think I'll make Apple pie ( A Canadian desert)
6.) Watch TV..American channels and say how poor it is , then watch BBC TV.

Thats pretty much it for today. :)

#1 is correct. Now allow me to become unpopular:

Americans grew up thinking that having an opinion makes you intelligent. They all have opinions about the world, yet, ask them to scan a copy of their passport stamps and see what the result is :)

[Winetalk.com]

#1 is correct. Now allow me to become unpopular:

Americans grew up thinking that having an opinion makes you intelligent. They all have opinions about the world, yet, ask them to scan a copy of their passport stamps and see what the result is :)

:-pearl:

[Inabon]

I posted it once on the wine board and I'll gladly do it again:

I enjoy tremendously the opinions of the people who had great expereince in:
running cities size of NOLA
dealing with natural disasters, evacuation plans, rebuilding cities
medical expertise

Please continue, as I know I'll learn more from the posters in this thread than from anybody else.

P.S. please include your qualifications for expert opinions rendered,
to give even MORE weight to your opinions.


well all i know is that if rita hits the gulf it will grow grow grow cause it is hot and unless some weird jetstream comes down she will head north. just where we will not know untill it hits. everyone pray it is not N.O. cause it wont be pretty.

[Nickatilynx]

Ask an American ( my personal fav's are the ones that claim Irish heritage , do the worse accent and have never been near the place and if the were to go would probably be found lying in a pool of there own blood on the floor like labret was) to point to Ireland on a map.....no fucking chance.

but then they cover there lack of intelligence with a big mouth...


(the same ones that won't see the set up here...)

;-)))

[Inabon]

No?

This can't be accurate.

Now, lets go back to my original post: What is the water temperature in the Gulf right now?

I love a full-circle.

i have to partially agree with you. this is accurate but not all of it. it is missing several storms including georges which messed up 3 islands and then hit usa.

[Peaches]

Ask an American ( my personal fav's are the ones that claim Irish heritage , do the worse accent and have never been near the place and if the were to go would probably be found lying in a pool of there own blood on the floor like labret was) to point to Ireland on a map.....no fucking chance.

but then they cover there lack of intelligence with a big mouth...


(the same ones that won't see the set up here...)

;-)))

Hey now, I said I was HALF Irish - the other half Welsh. And I can find them both on a map with help from any 4th grader ;)

[PornoDoggy]

Just a gawddamned minute here.

Did I read you right?

DID YOU ACTUALLY HAVE THE BALLS TO CLAIM THAT APPLE PIE WAS NOT AN AMERICAN DESERT?

You are a communist, aren't you? Jezuz gonna get you for that one ...

[Nickatilynx]

i have to partially agree with you. this is accurate but not all of it. it is missing several storms including georges which messed up 3 islands and then hit usa.

Inabon...hurricanes don't count unless lots of Americans are killed.



Example of BBC News...

220 killed by ferry in India
Over 6000 die in Rwanda
Airliner crashes in Russia , no survivors.

US news

Brittney Spears yadda yadda yadda
Some girl still missing in Aruba ( Ummm she's fucking dead) We are sure these kids did it , but that backward country , The Netherlands, say they have no evidence.

[WickedTemptress]

I appreciate the ambition behind Nagin's idea to repopulate quickly, however, he has already proved himself as an inept leader and I think he is best served at this point in time to defer to the professionals in handling emergencies.

If he manages to repopulate and everything turns out good, then he wins big, yes. If instead, folks move back in and get slammed by another storm this year or people start dying from multiple infectuous diseases then his ass is totally gone.

Big difference between this and post WWII. When rebuilding in Europe commenced, they knew the war was already over.


.

Speaking as a local, I can tell you that a lot of people in New Orleans think that Nagin is the best Mayer New Orleans has had in a very long time. It was him losing his cool on CNN that got the president to take more action and get a ground's eye view of the devastation(that I only got to hear part of on my battery powered radio, as I was still without power when it occurred.) I listened to many hours of phone calls from people(locals, of course) on the radio commenting on all sorts of things and, I don't believe I can recall one bad word said about Nagin. But, I can remember many phone calls of praise for him doing the things that he did.

He was actually out there HIMSELF taking care of the people in New Orleans that he could personally take care of... Trying to get them to safety.

I've listened to him bitching because there were "too many Generals trying to call the shots" and screwing things up...

I've listened to parish presidents and a Northshore senator CRYING and pleading for help over the radio... Venting their frustrations that no one was listening, that no one was sending help.

One parish president said that his own son called him, begging for food and gas and he couldn't even provide it to his own son, let alone all of the people under his parish...

This whole thing has really been unbelievably horrific in so many angles....

I think that Nagin has done a very good job considering all of the things he's had to deal with.

And, he cut the bullshit too. People are very appreciative for that... There were all of these officials trying to spin damage control all over the place, and he pushed politics aside and got real with everyone.

There was actually a radio guy that did an excellent job of not allowing damage control to be spun on his station... He would interview all of these officials on the radio and the minute they would stop being honest and start trying to spin damage control, he fought with them, yes FOUGHT with them over the radio... It was like nothing I had ever heard in my life...

But, back to the point...

I think he's trying to slowly start populating the city to try to start giving some people a sense of normalcy and the feel that things are starting to get better, that they are starting to progress. He's not letting everyone back... Right now, he's just letting the people that work in the city go back into the city to do so, and, not even all of them... Just some of them. (That's the last thing I heard on the local news...)

I don't think Nagin will take the water pollution lightly at all. I'm sure he'll make sure the people know that the water is contaminated and not useable... They'll just have to find other ways to have water for the things they'll need for now. That's what we were all doing before...

And, as for the hurricane coming... I definitely don't think Nagin will take that lightly either. I'm sure he'll be watching the storm very closely and if it looks like it is going to hit us again, I'm sure he'll make sure that those people are out of there before it hits.

On that note though... If another one hits us right now and especially if they think it's going to hit as a cat 4 like I heard, we will definitely be SERIOUSLY screwed... Even 40NW, like I am right now... There are still too many trees down... Too much debris laying around... So, I really hope it doesn't hit us because I just don't know what I'd do if we had to deal with another one so soon... :unsure:

[Nickatilynx]

Just a gawddamned minute here.

Did I read you right?

DID YOU ACTUALLY HAVE THE BALLS TO CLAIM THAT APPLE PIE WAS NOT AN AMERICAN DESERT?

You are a communist, aren't you? Jezuz gonna get you for that one ...

sorry its Canadian , so is basketball...baseball is based on the old english game (played by girls) of rounders , and "Football" (spit) is a bastardised form of Rugby.

Don't worry , you are American , I didn't expect you know that.

:)


;-)))

[MorganGrayson]

Just a gawddamned minute here.

Did I read you right?

DID YOU ACTUALLY HAVE THE BALLS TO CLAIM THAT APPLE PIE WAS NOT AN AMERICAN DESERT?

You are a communist, aren't you? Jezuz gonna get you for that one ...

Actually, he said "oh, for fuck's sake, are they at it again? Meshuggenah." :)

I was going to give Cory a pearl on his comment, but Serge beat me to it. :)
(A "Serge Pearl" has more bang for the buck.)

[Nickatilynx]

Sorry, sometimes my love for writing gets the best of me! :lol:
I actually went back and read it lol and deleted my "post too damn long , skipped it" post LOL

[WickedTemptress]

I actually went back and read it lol and deleted my "post too damn long , skipped it" post LOL

:lol: Nick!!! You're really messing me up here Honey! You deleted yours, so I had deleted mine... :lol:

Thanks for reading it though ;)

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by WickedTemptress
Speaking as a local, I can tell you that a lot of people in New Orleans think that Nagin is the best Mayer New Orleans has had in a very long time. It was him losing his cool on CNN that got the president to take more action and get a ground's eye view of the devastation(that I only got to hear part of on my battery powered radio, as I was still without power when it occurred.) I listened to many hours of phone calls from people(locals, of course) on the radio commenting on all sorts of things and, I don't believe I can recall one bad word said about Nagin. But, I can remember many phone calls of praise for him doing the things that he did.

He was actually out there HIMSELF taking care of the people in New Orleans that he could personally take care of... Trying to get them to safety.

I've listened to him bitching because there were "too many Generals trying to call the shots" and screwing things up...

I've listened to parish presidents and a Northshore senator CRYING and pleading for help over the radio... Venting their frustrations that no one was listening, that no one was sending help.

One parish president said that his own son called him, begging for food and gas and he couldn't even provide it to his own son, let alone all of the people under his parish...

This whole thing has really been unbelievably horrific in so many angles....

I think that Nagin has done a very good job considering all of the things he's had to deal with.

And, he cut the bullshit too. People are very appreciative for that... There were all of these officials trying to spin damage control all over the place, and he pushed politics aside and got real with everyone.

There was actually a radio guy that did an excellent job of not allowing damage control to be spun on his station... He would interview all of these officials on the radio and the minute they would stop being honest and start trying to spin damage control, he fought with them, yes FOUGHT with them over the radio... It was like nothing I had ever heard in my life...

But, back to the point...

I think he's trying to slowly start populating the city to try to start giving some people a sense of normalcy and the feel that things are starting to get better, that they are starting to progress. He's not letting everyone back... Right now, he's just letting the people that work in the city go back into the city to do so, and, not even all of them... Just some of them. (That's the last thing I heard on the local news...)

I don't think Nagin will take the water pollution lightly at all. I'm sure he'll make sure the people know that the water is contaminated and not useable... They'll just have to find other ways to have water for the things they'll need for now. That's what we were all doing before...

And, as for the hurricane coming... I definitely don't think Nagin will take that lightly either. I'm sure he'll be watching the storm very closely and if it looks like it is going to hit us again, I'm sure he'll make sure that those people are out of there before it hits.

On that note though... If another one hits us right now and especially if they think it's going to hit as a cat 4 like I heard, we will definitely be SERIOUSLY screwed... Even 40NW, like I am right now... There are still too many trees down... Too much debris laying around... So, I really hope it doesn't hit us because I just don't know what I'd do if we had to deal with another one so soon...

[Nickatilynx]

:lol: Nick!!! You're really messing me up here Honey! You deleted yours, so I had deleted mine... :lol:

Thanks for reading it though ;)

read it???????

I fucking saved it!

;-)))

[Nickatilynx]

no one move....

LOL

[PornoDoggy]

sorry its Canadian , so is basketball...baseball is based on the old english game (played by girls) of rounders , and "Football" (spit) is a bastardised form of Rugby.

Don't worry , you are American , I didn't expect you know that.

:)


;-)))

Yeah, right.

Next thing you're gonna try and tell me is that French Fries aren't French, and that Chop Suey isn't really Chinese food.

[WickedTemptress]

read it???????

I fucking saved it!

;-)))

:biglaugh: Wow, really? Glad you liked it Hon :beer:

[Nickatilynx]

:biglaugh: Wow, really? Glad you liked it Hon :beer:

It was not a noble thing...

I was gonna edit it...like i did to yr post to peaches in the other thread.

LOL

http://oprano.com/msgboard/showthread.php?p=689054#post689054


;-))))

[Osiris]

I would just like to add that being an american makes me fucking ill. Someone adopt me and get me out of here..

[Nickatilynx]

I would just like to add that being an american makes me fucking ill. Someone adopt me and get me out of here..

Oh no...

When the other Americans read this you are fucked!!!! LOL

They will become incensed and gang together offering to help you to leave!!!

Because everyone in America is allowed there own opinion , but GW's and the Souther Baptists God ( for it is the only one tolerated in america) help you if your opinion is not that of the majority.

:)


















Fuck me , I really am a bit cunty today :)

[Mike AI]

Nagin is an idiot. This is not hearsay, this has been my impression of him on the numerous occassions I have spent time with him.

I have family who are his peers and some on his staff, who were with him during the whole storm. He is in over his head.

There is a leadership vacumn in the City and the State. The area needs to be Federalized - Bush needs to appoint Colin Powell or someone like this to take over the whole area, and the rebuilding.

[Osiris]

Fuck them other Americans. This country has never had anything to offer me and I hate being lumped in with the idiots because I'm an American..


People make me sick, especially my fellow Americans..

[Nickatilynx]

Bush needs to appoint Colin Powell or someone like this to take over the whole area, and the rebuilding.

They'd have to sew back on his balls.

I believe they had them surgically removed a couple of years ago.

[JR]

Oh no...

When the other Americans read this you are fucked!!!! LOL

They will become incensed and gang together offering to help you to leave!!!

Because everyone in America is allowed there own opinion , but GW's and the Souther Baptists God ( for it is the only one tolerated in america) help you if your opinion is not that of the majority.

:)







Fuck me , I really am a bit cunty today :)

Not to piss on your parade or anything, but i dont think this is an unusual sentiment. When i am in Europe, i do everything i can to hide the fact that i am American. Americans act generally tend to act like obnoxious fucking retards everywhere they go. But you know what? The average Brit is just as bad in my opinion. Loud, rude, drunk and obnoxious. Anywhere in Europe, when you hear someone being an idiot or hear someones voice standing out in the crowd, he is either American or British.

Every country has good and bad, ups and downs, pluses and minuses. No country is different in this respect. The primary differences that people like to espouse between countries are usually just the perceptions... not the realities.

[Nickatilynx]

Not to piss on your parade or anything, but i dont think this is an unusual sentiment. When i am in Europe, i do everything i can to hide the fact that i am American. Americans act generally tend to act like obnoxious fucking retards everywhere they go. But you know what? The average Brit is just as bad in my opinion. Loud, rude, drunk and obnoxious. Anywhere in Europe, when you hear someone being an idiot or hear someones voice standing out in the crowd, he is either American or British.

Every country has good and bad, ups and downs, pluses and minuses. No country is different in this respect. The primary differences that people like to espouse between countries are usually just the perceptions... not the realities.

I totally agree.

Brits tends to be louts , and holligans...well it is there perception.

Fortunately I travel on a Canadian passport :) (edit: errr when i could lol)

[Newton]

Yeah, right.

Next thing you're gonna try and tell me is that French Fries aren't French, and that Chop Suey isn't really Chinese food.

Potentially correct ;)

It was not long after this widespread embracing of the potato that some genius decided to drop slices of it into a pot of boiling fat. The identity of this individual is unknown; the French claim it was one of their countrymen, while the Belgians fiercely hold that it was one of their own who first frenched a fry. Expert opinion on this matter is divided as well. Whatever the case, by the 1830's deep fried potatoes had become a popular taste sensation in both France and Belgium. It took another hundred years for them to become a fast-food staple in the United States. Although Thomas Jefferson is rumored to have served them in Monticello as early as 1802—a daring thing to do at the time, since tubers were still believed to lead to death unless the poisons were boiled out of them—it was American soldiers, having been stationed in France (or Belgium, depending on who you ask) during World War I who brought back a hunger for the fried potatoes they had eaten while overseas. Although today fries are commonly eaten in many other countries, they are only associated with the Gallic culture here in the U.S.

The origin of Chop Suey

The orgin of Chop Suey was well documented in the 《新大陆游记》 "Travel to the New Continent" written in 1903 by famous Chinese reformer, professor of literature of Tsing Hua Universty, Liang Qichao, who was also the author of the book "Biography of Li Hongzhang", hence Liang's account is authentic. Liang Qichao toured America in 1903, he wrote that the Choy Suey started when Li Hongzhang visited New York and dined in several Chinese restaurants in NY city. Before that time, no American visited China town in NY, after Li's visit, many Americans enquired about the dish Li ate in China town, the restaurant owner answered with "Chop Suey", which was the cantonese prounciation of "杂碎", meaning "a mixture of pieces". After that, "Li Hongzhang Chop Suey" restaruants sprung up all across America, there were three to four hundred Chop Suey restaurants alone in New York city, and there were three thousand people in America made a living by Chop suey, with business totaling several million dollars, "quite a remarkable industry". Liang noted that this was the single greatest contribution of Li Hongzhang to Cantonese cuisine. Liang also remarked that Chop Suey was really not Chinese cuisine, "no Chinese in America ever went to Chop Suey restaurant". Chop Suey still is the Cantonesee pronunciation of "杂碎", clearly indicates its American Cantonese origin.

Chop suey in China

The phrase "杂碎" did not exist in China at the end of 19th century when Li Hongzhang viisted New York City, as a matter of fact, this phrase was not even in 1989 edition of Cihai(辞海). Only in the last fifteen years, the phrase 杂碎 appeared in Chinese language, however it means entirely different thing from Chop Suey.

[JR]

is Nagin an idiot? uhmmm... does it matter? if people choose to risk thier lives trying go home, thats their problem. Since when did a mayor become the city babysitter? Its not like no one is aware that its a fucked up and risky situation and they are going to be totally blindsided by the fact that a hurricane hit the city.

Funny when the same people constantly crying and whining about the powers that be and Bush, government and its increasing powers and so on - can't wait to bitch that government is not doing all it can to protect them and intervene in their lives and tell them when to jump. I dont need the government to protect me. I dont live in Sweden or Denmark. All i need is information and I can make my own decisions from there... thank you very much!

[Mike AI]

They'd have to sew back on his balls.

I believe they had them surgically removed a couple of years ago.

They must be retreived from your mouth first.

[Nickatilynx]

They must be retreived from your mouth first.

Yeah I always do a job properly.

Bush's are just bouncing off your chin

[PornoDoggy]

Atlas would shrug over the whole situation if he hadn't drowned when the levy broke.

[Unregistered]

Yeah I always do a job properly.

Bush's are just bouncing off your chin

i just pleasured myself.

thanks guy!

[MorganGrayson]

People make me sick, especially my fellow Americans..

You went to WalMart today, didn't you?

[Osiris]

You went to WalMart today, didn't you?


No, but I will be in a little while.. Hahaha


Tried going last night but they were fucking closed!!! We heard they were supposed to be going back to the 24hr schedule but I guess the people we heard it from were misinformed..


I hate that damn place, but it's the only place to get quality meat. The Winn-Dixie meat sucks and it's at least $3.00 more.

[Nickatilynx]

No, but I will be in a little while.. Hahaha


Tried going last night but they were fucking closed!!! We heard they were supposed to be going back to the 24hr schedule but I guess the people we heard it from were misinformed..


I hate that damn place, but it's the only place to get quality meat. The Winn-Dixie meat sucks and it's at least $3.00 more.


mmmmm Goodings lol

[Peaches]

I hate that damn place, but it's the only place to get quality meat. The Winn-Dixie meat sucks and it's at least $3.00 more.
Ugh, I think if I had to depend on Walmart meat I'd be ordering it from the internet :(

[Nickatilynx]

Ugh, I think if I had to depend on Walmart meat I'd be ordering it from the internet :(

I heard you did!!!

ahahahahahaha

:-)))



( it works better in person...)

:)

[Inabon]

Ask an American ( my personal fav's are the ones that claim Irish heritage , do the worse accent and have never been near the place and if the were to go would probably be found lying in a pool of there own blood on the floor like labret was) to point to Ireland on a map.....no fucking chance.

but then they cover there lack of intelligence with a big mouth...


(the same ones that won't see the set up here...)

;-)))

dude i know its your board and crap but you are making a big typo twice already

it is not "
but then they cover there lack of intelligence with a big mouth..."

it should be

"but then they cover their lack of intelligence with a big mouth..."


if you are going to piss off americans type better english than them :)

[Inabon]

Inabon...hurricanes don't count unless lots of Americans are killed.



Example of BBC News...

220 killed by ferry in India
Over 6000 die in Rwanda
Airliner crashes in Russia , no survivors.

US news

Brittney Spears yadda yadda yadda
Some girl still missing in Aruba ( Ummm she's fucking dead) We are sure these kids did it , but that backward country , The Netherlands, say they have no evidence.

damn you are right stupid me :)

[Inabon]

sorry its Canadian , so is basketball...baseball is based on the old english game (played by girls) of rounders , and "Football" (spit) is a bastardised form of Rugby.

Don't worry , you are American , I didn't expect you know that.

:)


;-)))

basketball

http://www.ku.edu/heritage/graphics/people/naismith.html


Dr. James Naismith is known world-wide as the inventor of basketball. He was born in 1861 in Ramsay township, near Almonte, Ontario, Canada. The concept of basketball was born from Naismith's school days in the area where he played a simple child's game known as duck-on-a-rock outside his one-room schoolhouse. The game involved attempting to knock a "duck" off the top of a large rock by tossing another rock at it. Naismith went on to attend McGill University in Montreal, Quebec, Canada.

[Inabon]

Nagin is an idiot. This is not hearsay, this has been my impression of him on the numerous occassions I have spent time with him.

I have family who are his peers and some on his staff, who were with him during the whole storm. He is in over his head.

There is a leadership vacumn in the City and the State. The area needs to be Federalized - Bush needs to appoint Colin Powell or someone like this to take over the whole area, and the rebuilding.


collin powell? what did he do? i really don´t think reconstruction is his game.

[Osiris]

Ugh, I think if I had to depend on Walmart meat I'd be ordering it from the internet :(

I should do that.. :(

[MorganGrayson]

I've never been able to figure out what I call the "WalMart Syndrome." When I go to the grocery store, or pretty much any other store, I run into a wide range of people, but for the most part they're all nice, mostly intelligent, good for a giggle or even a conversation.

When I go to the WalMart, in the same neighborhoods (we have two close to us) I am astounded by the customers. Were they low class trash when they walked in or is there something in the air inside the store that makes them that way? WalMart is the only store where I've had somebody slam into my stationary wheelchair and give me an ugly look as if it was all my fault. I can't let one of my daughters take me there anymore...because she *will* throw a punch and came very close to doing so. Only my muttered "I can't get home if you get arrested" stopped her.

Great prices on household items and cat supplies, but boy...the people are a sideshow.

We don't have the "WalMart Superstore" things down here.

[Peaches]

OK, I have to ask - what use is a "stationary wheelchair"? Do you not go anywhere in it??

[MorganGrayson]

OK, I have to ask - what use is a "stationary wheelchair"? Do you not go anywhere in it??

My apologies. Badly phrased. I wasn't currently moving in it. It's rather like someone having an automobile accident by hitting a parked car...then blaming the parked car for being there rather than his shitty driving. :)

[Technick]

Morgan,

Unfortunately if you want to take advantage their low 'Rollback' prices, you must be prepared to endure a certain amount of physical and verbal abuse.

Might I suggest Nordstrom's? I am sure they would be most happy to provide someone to assist you, no one swears or pushes, there aren't lines of people arguing over 50 cents at the check out and they even have a nice man playing the piano in the one I have been to. It makes for that perfect shopping ambience. :)

[Nickatilynx]

Morgan...( I know it does not apply to you) and I apologise in advance but...a wheelchair story

When we first got a holiday home in Fl , it was near Disney.

We spent every day at the parks and compared to the UK , we could not believe the number of people in Wheelchairs.

We then noticed a couple of things. They managed to get out of them to shop and eat.

Technick esposed the theory "they are just too enormously fucking fat to walk around!!!"

In the UK at that time the only people in Wheelchairs were pretty fucked :(

This led to my theory of always going to the wheelchair area and get one for "poor old auntie"..it is great for carrying shopping and allows you to get better seats for the shows :)

Fortunately Technick and myself have expanded into the role of "too fat to walk around"

;-))))

[MorganGrayson]

Morgan,

Unfortunately if you want to take advantage their low 'Rollback' prices, you must be prepared to endure a certain amount of physical and verbal abuse.

Might I suggest Nordstrom's? I am sure they would be most happy to provide someone to assist you, no one swears or pushes, there aren't lines of people arguing over 50 cents at the check out and they even have a nice man playing the piano in the one I have been to. It makes for that perfect shopping ambience. :)

Hmmm...and I believe I noticed a Nordstrom on that street we took through San Francisco. :)

Select a nice place for lunch...and we shall *shop*!!!!! :D

[Nickatilynx]

My servants speak highly of Walmart...

;-)))

[Technick]

I remember that trip well.....the first time we saw a person in a wheelchair stand and gingerly stagger to a burger stand we saw the miracle of Disney at work. I remember my brother exclaiming "Hallelujah he can walk....praise the Lord he is cured."

Forget Lourdes...Disney is the true place of spritual healing:)

[MorganGrayson]

Morgan...( I know it does not apply to you) and I apologise in advance but...a wheelchair story

When we first got a holiday home in Fl , it was near Disney.

We spent every day at the parks and compared to the UK , we could not believe the number of people in Wheelchairs.

We then noticed a couple of things. They managed to get out of them to shop and eat.

Technick esposed the theory "they are just too enormously fucking fat to walk around!!!"

In the UK at that time the only people in Wheelchairs were pretty fucked :(

This led to my theory of always going to the wheelchair area and get one for "poor old auntie"..it is great for carrying shopping and allows you to get better seats for the shows :)

Fortunately Technick and myself have expanded into the role of "too fat to walk around"

;-))))

Oh, I hear you with this story. I *never* expect a wheelchair to be available *anywhere.* (Besides, I couldn't get there from the car, wherever it is.) I've seen perfectly capable people thinking it's just fun to ride the motorized carts at the grocery...leaving some poor elderly person with a cane to just sit on the little bench and wait until the assholes are finished playing bumper carts.

I always check for the placards or license plates on cars in the handicapped spots...and become enraged when they're not there. Just some asshole who decided to use the spot. (A Russian Roulette maneuver, since the fine for that is very high. I live in fear of forgetting to hang the damned placard from the rearview mirror and coming back and finding a ticket.)

I know it doesn't apply to me, Nick, and wouldn't have taken it that way. :)

[Peaches]

My apologies. Badly phrased. I wasn't currently moving in it. It's rather like someone having an automobile accident by hitting a parked car...then blaming the parked car for being there rather than his shitty driving. :)
Ah, OK :)

Nick, everyone knows you grab a wheelchair at all amusement parks. You get the front of the lines, have somewhere to put your bags, etc. :)

[Nickatilynx]

I always check for the placards or license plates on cars in the handicapped spots...and become enraged when they're not there. Just some asshole who decided to use the spot. (A Russian Roulette maneuver, since the fine for that is very high. I live in fear of forgetting to hang the damned placard from the rearview mirror and coming back and finding a ticket.)
:)

I once double parked for 2 minutes in London and upon my return i got ripped into by someone, so I simply responded..

"Its a Bentley , they are allowed to be parked anywhere.Its included in the price"

;-))))





and you think I'm a dickhead now...????

[MorganGrayson]

I once double parked for 2 minutes in London and upon my return i got ripped into by someone, so I simply responded..

"Its a Bentley , they are allowed to be parked anywhere.Its included in the price"

;-))))





and you think I'm a dickhead now...????

No, Nick. I think you're a dickhead that owned a Bentley. Huge difference. ;)

(Besides, anybody can say "It was two fucking minutes! Shut the hell up!" or whatever Brits say of like ilk. The Bentley line had style.)

[Trev]

No, Nick. I think you're a dickhead that owned a Bentley. Huge difference. ;)

(Besides, anybody can say "It was two fucking minutes! Shut the hell up!" or whatever Brits say of like ilk. The Bentley line had style.)
We've got parent and child parking here in the UK, I've got a sweet automatic centre pop ( 4" long, $12 from Snap-on) for putting holes in no-kid-cunts cars. I suggest the disabled become more pro active as well. ;)

[Nickatilynx]

Worse line I had done to me...

I had a beautiful Bentley about 10 yrs ago...it was a 1961 Bentley Contential Flying Spur and had like 15k genuine miles on it.

This old bastard slammed his Ford POS into it on the M25 and when we pulled off the road the old git greated me with:

"Don't worry I'm in the Royal Insurance's safe drivers club , lucky it was an old one"

He's probably out of hospital now.

:)

[Nickatilynx]

We've got parent and child parking here in the UK, I've got a sweet automatic centre pop ( 4" long, $12 from Snap-on) for putting holes in no-kid-cunts cars. I suggest the disabled become more pro active as well. ;)

Yeah , yeah...always fuck with a Bentley..

Those rich poofs won't do a thing about it.

;-)))

[Trev]

Yeah , yeah...always fuck with a Bentley..

Those rich poofs won't do a thing about it.

;-)))
It's mainly the Ford Focus or Astra's that are getting it :D

[MorganGrayson]

We've got parent and child parking here in the UK, I've got a sweet automatic centre pop ( 4" long, $12 from Snap-on) for putting holes in no-kid-cunts cars. I suggest the disabled become more pro active as well. ;)

Crumpet...could you please translate that into American English? :)

[Nickatilynx]

It's mainly the Ford Focus or Astra's that are getting it :D

LOL

Just remembering the look on the faces of a bunch of , I suppose now they are called chav's ( we called then "kev's" then ) when driving through Hastings a bunch started hurling abuse and poofta remarks at us in Bill's old Roller.

So we stopped.

And out got 4 guys , two of whom made "The Gov'nor" look a bit effiminate . LOL

;-)))))

[Osiris]

I remember my brother exclaiming "Hallelujah he can walk....praise the Lord he is cured."



Hahah!


Morgan is right about the people in Wal-Mart. When it was open 24hrs I would go in the middle of the night just so I wouldn't have to deal with the people. Just isles full of boxes..

It's also like a black hole, you go in there and it's like you're there forever. It doesn't matter if you've gone in for 5 minutes, it feels like you were in there for hours...

[sarettah]

Crumpet...could you please translate that into American English? :)


What I got out of it is that he paid $12.00 for a 4 inch long snap on dildo that he pokes into cars when he gets pissed :blink:











.

[Trev]

Crumpet...could you please translate that into American English? :)
It's a tool used by engineers (available at home depot) for putting dots in plate metal for drilling, used on a car skin it leaves sweet little holes that can't be fixed, so it requires the: door, wing, bonnet, trunk, roof to be re-skinned = $$$$ ;)

[Trev]

Oh and it's about the size of a ball point pen :D

[MorganGrayson]

Oh.

I see.

:unsure:

[Newton]

automatic centerpunch, sprung loaded and will shatter windows and impact bones with a deft flick of the wrist .. if you were of that mind to use them as such :) Snap-on is a very good choice Trev ..

[sarettah]

Snap-On ????

Oh, sorry, I thought he said Strap-On :unsure:






.

[Carrie]

Having one of those in my possession would just be TOO damn tempting. And I just know I'd get caught, lol.

Morgan, what you're hearing on the radio isn't what Nagin is telling us on the tv. He's encouraging people who live in the less-hit areas, like Algiers, to return. Even though there's no running water, no electricity, and no sewer. Thousands supposedly have already returned to Algiers. Other residents are returning as well, because he's been saying "come on back!" for days now. He even went to the Houston Astrodome and was telling the people there that they could start coming back. *Not* just the "essential" people. Everyone.

Today he changed his tune, though. Got back on tv and said no one else is allowed in, and that everyone who came back now has to evacuate because of Rita. There's already interviews on Yahoo news from Reuters and the AP from people who returned and who say they're not leaving again, that staying and riding out the storm (no matter how bad) will be easier than getting back into the city.

*slams head on wall*

Nagin is saying it would just take 9 inches of rain and 3 feet of surge to overflow the levees again; army corps of engineers officials have *been* saying that no one should be allowed back until the levees are completely fixed. They say the levees are in serious need of repair and the temporary closures will NOT hold, even without a storm. They need to be fixed before they simply collapse again, a storm would just make it quicker.

[Nickatilynx]

Having one of those in my possession would just be TOO damn tempting. And I just know I'd get caught, lol.

Morgan, what you're hearing on the radio isn't what Nagin is telling us on the tv. He's encouraging people who live in the less-hit areas, like Algiers, to return. Even though there's no running water, no electricity, and no sewer. Thousands supposedly have already returned to Algiers. Other residents are returning as well, because he's been saying "come on back!" for days now. He even went to the Houston Astrodome and was telling the people there that they could start coming back. *Not* just the "essential" people. Everyone.

Today he changed his tune, though. Got back on tv and said no one else is allowed in, and that everyone who came back now has to evacuate because of Rita. There's already interviews on Yahoo news from Reuters and the AP from people who returned and who say they're not leaving again, that staying and riding out the storm (no matter how bad) will be easier than getting back into the city.

*slams head on wall*

Nagin is saying it would just take 9 inches of rain and 3 feet of surge to overflow the levees again; army corps of engineers officials have *been* saying that no one should be allowed back until the levees are completely fixed. They say the levees are in serious need of repair and the temporary closures will NOT hold, even without a storm. They need to be fixed before they simply collapse again, a storm would just make it quicker.

if that is the case it seems Darwin was right...

[Carrie]

Natural selection isn't just about hunters and prey...

[Trev]

automatic centerpunch, sprung loaded and will shatter windows and impact bones with a deft flick of the wrist .. if you were of that mind to use them as such :) Snap-on is a very good choice Trev ..
Snap-on is the name when it comes to wrecking things. ;)

[Almighty Colin]

I posted it once on the wine board and I'll gladly do it again:

I enjoy tremendously the opinions of the people who had great expereince in:
running cities size of NOLA
dealing with natural disasters, evacuation plans, rebuilding cities
medical expertise

Please continue, as I know I'll learn more from the posters in this thread than from anybody else.

P.S. please include your qualifications for expert opinions rendered,
to give even MORE weight to your opinions.

I have mastered Sim City 4.

[justb]

Nagin's having fun playing backtrack today. Time to send the busses back in....

[MorganGrayson]

Having one of those in my possession would just be TOO damn tempting. And I just know I'd get caught, lol.

Morgan, what you're hearing on the radio isn't what Nagin is telling us on the tv. He's encouraging people who live in the less-hit areas, like Algiers, to return. Even though there's no running water, no electricity, and no sewer. Thousands supposedly have already returned to Algiers. Other residents are returning as well, because he's been saying "come on back!" for days now. He even went to the Houston Astrodome and was telling the people there that they could start coming back. *Not* just the "essential" people. Everyone.

Today he changed his tune, though. Got back on tv and said no one else is allowed in, and that everyone who came back now has to evacuate because of Rita. There's already interviews on Yahoo news from Reuters and the AP from people who returned and who say they're not leaving again, that staying and riding out the storm (no matter how bad) will be easier than getting back into the city.

*slams head on wall*

Nagin is saying it would just take 9 inches of rain and 3 feet of surge to overflow the levees again; army corps of engineers officials have *been* saying that no one should be allowed back until the levees are completely fixed. They say the levees are in serious need of repair and the temporary closures will NOT hold, even without a storm. They need to be fixed before they simply collapse again, a storm would just make it quicker.

Why the hell are you speaking to me? Learn to follow a fucking thread.
I talked about trash in WalMart and whatever the fucking thing Trev was talking about in "Brit Speak." I never said a damned thing about Nagin on the radio.

Damned shame you didn't go back to the last thread in which you made the mistake of talking to me.

[Inabon]

is it me or trev has this great gift of changing the subject...

how did we end up talking about snapon crap jaja

[Trev]

is it me or trev has this great gift of changing the subject...

how did we end up talking about snapon crap jaja
It's an art mate, when something has been done to death, I (and a few others) manage to highjack the thread.

So hows those optics today? everything sweet down at the old canal? ;)

[Inabon]

It's an art mate, when something has been done to death, I (and a few others) manage to highjack the thread.

So hows those optics today? everything sweet down at the old canal? ;)

yeah man optics good no fuck ups. canal is good same old lots of boats wifes canal on the other hand is closed till december when another minibon makes it in to this world.

[Trev]

yeah man optics good no fuck ups. canal is good same old lots of boats wifes canal on the other hand is closed till december when another minibon makes it in to this world.
Ah, sweet news mate. Hopefully it'll be just in time for Christmas. Nice :okthumb:

[Inabon]

december 2nd this one is programmed no later that. however i can not program if he wants out earlier :)

[Trev]

december 2nd this one is programmed no later that. however i can not program if he wants out earlier :)
I hope all goes well and you have a healthy addition to the tribe, on time ;)

If he's anything like you then he may be a tad late. :nyanya:



:D

[MorganGrayson]

Congratulations, Inabon! :)