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Biggy
06-30-2005, 06:32 PM
the infamous 1979 american embassy hostages - this guy was allegedly one of the terrorist captors. WOW.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/06/30/...dent/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/06/30/iran.president/index.html)

"NEW YORK (CNN) -- The White House said Thursday it is taking seriously the allegations by former hostages that Iran's hardline president-elect, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, was one of their captors at the U.S. Embassy in Tehran a quarter century ago.

President Bush told foreign reporters he has "no information, but obviously his involvement raises many questions."

"As soon as I saw the face, it rang a lot of bells to me," Don Sharer, who served as the embassy's naval attache at the time, told CNN.

"...Take 20 years off of him. He was there. He was there in the background, more like an adviser."

Abbas Abdi, the man well-known to be the leader of the 1979 hostage-takers, told CNN that Ahmadinejad, the Tehran mayor, "absolutely was not" part of the event that involved the captivity of 52 people.

Abdi later became a supporter of reformist President Mohammed Khatami and was recently released from jail for advocating closer ties with the United States.

Iranian officials also deny Ahmadinejad was involved.

The November 4, 1979, embassy takeover followed protests demanding that the United States return the Shah of Iran to Tehran for trial. He had been overthrown by the Islamic revolution 11 months prior and was receiving cancer treatment in New York at the time.

The embassy seizure lasted 444 days and resulted in a botched rescue mission that left eight U.S. soldiers dead and the severance of U.S.-Iranian ties ever since.

The Associated Press, in its archives, has a series of photographs showing a student hostage-taker that some of the former hostages believe to be Ahmadinejad.

His official biography says that as a student at the University of Science and Technology, he was a member of the Office for Strengthening Unity, the student organization that planned the takeover.

Abdi told CNN that of the Office for Strengthening Unity members involved, none were University of Science and Technology students.

Ahmadinejad joined the Revolutionary Guards in 1980 and served in the Iran-Iraq war. Last Saturday he was declared the winner of Iran's presidential election, winning more than 61 percent of the vote over former two-term President Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani.

"I saw his picture in the Washington Post on Saturday morning, recognized it immediately and then sent an e-mail out to some of my former colleagues ... telling them what I thought and seeing what kind of responses they might have to it," said William Daugherty, a former CIA officer who now lives in Savannah, Georgia.

Daugherty said he remembers "seeing him acting in a supervisory or leadership capacity during the first ... 2 1/2 weeks (but) on the 19th day, I was moved into solitary confinement and had limited contact with even my Iranian guards after that."

Sharer said he was 99 percent sure Ahmadinejad was involved.

"In one incident he just called (Army attache Col. Charles Scott) pigs and dogs and we deserved to be locked up forever," he said. "When you're placed in a life-threatening situation of that nature, you just remember those things."

The AP reports that one person who did not recognize Ahmadinejad as a captor was senior defense attache at the time, Col. Tom Schaefer. The AP reported him being more concerned about the return to power of hardliners in Iran than by the thought Ahmadinejad might have been a hostage-taker.

Asked about Schaefer's recollections, Daugherty and Sharer said memory works different ways for different people.

"We were all in different circumstances," Daugherty said. "We were exposed to some of the Iranians more than others. So, you know, if Tom was actually quoted correctly in saying he didn't remember, again that's not the same thing as the guy not being there."

The hostage crisis ended after intense negotiations. Minutes after Ronald Reagan was sworn in as U.S. president on January 20, 1981, the 52 hostages were released."

Lee
06-30-2005, 08:02 PM
We're going to liberate Iran :cdance:

Almighty Colin
07-01-2005, 08:09 AM
Originally posted by Biggy@Jun 30 2005, 05:33 PM


"As soon as I saw the face, it rang a lot of bells to me," Don Sharer, who served as the embassy's naval attache at the time, told CNN.

"...Take 20 years off of him. He was there. He was there in the background, more like an adviser."

Impressive. I can't even recognize a neighbor with a new hairstyle.

PornoDoggy
07-01-2005, 10:57 AM
Originally posted by Almighty Colin+Jul 1 2005, 07:10 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Almighty Colin @ Jul 1 2005, 07:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Biggy@Jun 30 2005, 05:33 PM


"As soon as I saw the face, it rang a lot of bells to me," Don Sharer, who served as the embassy's naval attache at the time, told CNN.

"...Take 20 years off of him. He was there. He was there in the background, more like an adviser."

Impressive. I can't even recognize a neighbor with a new hairstyle. [/b][/quote]
I have me a sneaking suspicion that you'd remember them better if they locked you up in a room in your house for over a year.

Not sure about this one ... when I heard the first reports I wondered if this wasn't the Iraqi hostages chapter of the Swift Boat Veterans For "Truth" [sic] aimed at whipping the faithful into a frenzy against the evildoers. The more I hear, the more I think there could be something to it.

I think the hostage-taking was an abomination. However, I doubt the Iraqis are terribly happy to see Cheney, Rumsfeld et al put working in our government. Those two, at least, go back to the days when we were supporting a puppet government in Iran that was at best nominally better than Saddam in their treatment of dissidents, etc.

I have, however, a great idea. Let's investigate a) if he was a participant in the hostage crisis, and B) if compenstation was provided to Iran in exchange for keeping the hostages longer than might have been necessary in support of any political parties, foreign or domestic.

johnshinil
07-01-2005, 07:17 PM
Isn't that a good enough reason to attack Iran!

JohnShinil.

slavdogg
07-01-2005, 07:20 PM
Originally posted by johnshinil@Jul 1 2005, 06:18 PM
Isn't that a good enough reason to attack Iran!

JohnShinil.
good enough for me

slavdogg
07-01-2005, 07:22 PM
Originally posted by Almighty Colin+Jul 1 2005, 07:10 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Almighty Colin @ Jul 1 2005, 07:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Biggy@Jun 30 2005, 05:33 PM


"As soon as I saw the face, it rang a lot of bells to me," Don Sharer, who served as the embassy's naval attache at the time, told CNN.

"...Take 20 years off of him. He was there. He was there in the background, more like an adviser."

Impressive. I can't even recognize a neighbor with a new hairstyle. [/b][/quote]
I couldnt even recognize you with a new hair cut :)

slavdogg
07-01-2005, 07:23 PM
Originally posted by Almighty Colin+Jul 1 2005, 07:10 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Almighty Colin @ Jul 1 2005, 07:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Biggy@Jun 30 2005, 05:33 PM


"As soon as I saw the face, it rang a lot of bells to me," Don Sharer, who served as the embassy's naval attache at the time, told CNN.

"...Take 20 years off of him. He was there. He was there in the background, more like an adviser."

Impressive. I can't even recognize a neighbor with a new hairstyle. [/b][/quote]
Colin, hows Amanda ??

Trev
07-01-2005, 07:40 PM
Originally posted by johnshinil@Jul 2 2005, 12:18 AM
Isn't that a good enough reason to attack Iran!

JohnShinil.
I'm stubborn so I'd say....


Level the place!