FREE or Paid trials

[clubta]

would you promote FREE or Paid trials ?

I promote free and paid trials

amateur free converts best for us ;-)

[Trev]

I'd go with payed... but I'm greedy :)

[Nickatilynx]

Seriously...

try this.

"Add your email for a free 5 min preview..."

:)

[Bhelliom]

well here my question... if YOU promote both... then why don't you have an option for promoting both in your poll?

hmmm one or the other... personally if i knew what i was doing (which i oviously don't from the lack of content in my posts) I would promote free trials

[TheEnforcer]

On a rev share it would depend on the back end. If it's a back end that I think will retain like awell above average/like a mother fucker I'd go free if it upped my conversion ratio enough. If it's just an average back end I'd stay with paid.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by TheEnforcer@Jun 14 2005, 11:26 AM
On a rev share it would depend on the back end. If it's a back end that I think will retain like awell above average/like a mother fucker I'd go free if it upped my conversion ratio enough. If it's just an average back end I'd stay with paid.
sucker...

;-))

Either way , you are merely hoping the surfer does not remember to cancel.

Mind you worse recurring sites EVER are fake beast LOL


errrr , so I'm told lol

[Bhelliom]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Jun 14 2005, 11:28 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Jun 14 2005, 11:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-TheEnforcer@Jun 14 2005, 11:26 AM
On a rev share it would depend on the back end. If it's a back end that I think will retain like awell above average/like a mother fucker I'd go free if it upped my conversion ratio enough. If it's just an average back end I'd stay with paid.
sucker...

;-))

Either way , you are merely hoping the surfer does not remember to cancel.

Mind you worse recurring sites EVER are fake beast LOL


errrr , so I'm told lol [/b][/quote]
Isn't that the whole point of trials? drunken college students signing up on a lark one night...then waking up with nothing but a hangover and a sore ass and forgetting what they did...until they read their credit card statements 3 months later... god bless college...

[DollarManSteve]

If the person has to whip out their credit card, then free, $1, $1.95, $2.95 are all the same.. so it depends on which one has the higest payout, conversion ratios dont variate much amogst these price points.

Free porn is bad for business.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Bhelliom+Jun 14 2005, 11:31 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Bhelliom @ Jun 14 2005, 11:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jun 14 2005, 11:28 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-TheEnforcer@Jun 14 2005, 11:26 AM
On a rev share it would depend on the back end. If it's a back end that I think will retain like awell above average/like a mother fucker I'd go free if it upped my conversion ratio enough. If it's just an average back end I'd stay with paid.
sucker...

;-))

Either way , you are merely hoping the surfer does not remember to cancel.

Mind you worse recurring sites EVER are fake beast LOL


errrr , so I'm told lol
Isn't that the whole point of trials? drunken college students signing up on a lark one night...then waking up with nothing but a hangover and a sore ass and forgetting what they did...until they read their credit card statements 3 months later... god bless college... [/b][/quote]
LOL

sooooo....you enjoyed waking up with a sore ass , huh?

;-)))

[Bhelliom]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Jun 14 2005, 11:32 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Jun 14 2005, 11:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Bhelliom@Jun 14 2005, 11:31 AM
Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jun 14 2005, 11:28 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-TheEnforcer@Jun 14 2005, 11:26 AM
On a rev share it would depend on the back end. If it's a back end that I think will retain like awell above average/like a mother fucker I'd go free if it upped my conversion ratio enough. If it's just an average back end I'd stay with paid.
sucker...

;-))

Either way , you are merely hoping the surfer does not remember to cancel.

Mind you worse recurring sites EVER are fake beast LOL


errrr , so I'm told lol
Isn't that the whole point of trials? drunken college students signing up on a lark one night...then waking up with nothing but a hangover and a sore ass and forgetting what they did...until they read their credit card statements 3 months later... god bless college...
LOL

sooooo....you enjoyed waking up with a sore ass , huh?

;-))) [/b][/quote]
umm.... this is all from what i've been umm.... told....

yeah told.... :hic:

Never speak of this again :ph34r:

[EroticySteve]

With our affiliates there are so many variables in how a certain site will convert. We give our affiliates the option of the type of payout program to join.

Eroticy.com has a 3 day free trial that converts like crazy. I've worked with other sites where free trials end up being open wounds that bleed a business dry.

As a rule there is no rule. It depends on the product and the audience. IMHO.

[clubta]

case study:

our clubta.com site charges 2.95 for a 3day trial, to 7 sites, if not canceled in 3 days recurrs at $39.95 monthly.

our affiliates can promote clubta.com for a free 3 day trial, to all 7 sites, if not canceled in 3 days recurrs at 50% off clubta.com site only at 19.95 monthly for all 7 sites..


offering a free trial with 50% off monthly converts the best...

[TheEnforcer]

With a free trial I'd likely be more open to use it on single girl/amateur sites of that nature that can work to retain the members.

[TheEnforcer]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Jun 14 2005, 02:28 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Jun 14 2005, 02:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-TheEnforcer@Jun 14 2005, 11:26 AM
On a rev share it would depend on the back end. If it's a back end that I think will retain like awell above average/like a mother fucker I'd go free if it upped my conversion ratio enough. If it's just an average back end I'd stay with paid.
sucker...

;-))

Either way , you are merely hoping the surfer does not remember to cancel.

Mind you worse recurring sites EVER are fake beast LOL


errrr , so I'm told lol [/b][/quote]
Yeah, but those fake site converted like a mother fucker. LOL

[DollarManSteve]

Originally posted by clubta@Jun 14 2005, 12:04 PM
offering a free trial with 50% off monthly converts the best...
Case 1: revenue when rebilled $42.90

Case 2: revenue when rebilled $19.95

Case two is 53% cheaper for the surfer. And it converts BETTER! wow, thats amazing. :blink:

[Trev]

Originally posted by TheEnforcer+Jun 14 2005, 09:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (TheEnforcer @ Jun 14 2005, 09:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jun 14 2005, 02:28 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-TheEnforcer@Jun 14 2005, 11:26 AM
On a rev share it would depend on the back end. If it's a back end that I think will retain like awell above average/like a mother fucker I'd go free if it upped my conversion ratio enough. If it's just an average back end I'd stay with paid.
sucker...

;-))

Either way , you are merely hoping the surfer does not remember to cancel.

Mind you worse recurring sites EVER are fake beast LOL


errrr , so I'm told lol
Yeah, but those fake site converted like a mother fucker. LOL [/b][/quote]
Especially when they were a crossbill that the surfer didn’t uncheck :groucho:

[Timon]

Originally posted by Bhelliom@Jun 14 2005, 02:31 PM
Isn't that the whole point of trials? drunken college students signing up on a lark one night...then waking up with nothing but a hangover and a sore ass and forgetting what they did...until they read their credit card statements 3 months later... god bless college...
That USED to be the whole point.

Once surfers caught on to that scam this business became a business and stopped being fun.

[Jeremy]

Originally posted by DollarManSteve+Jun 14 2005, 12:11 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DollarManSteve @ Jun 14 2005, 12:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-clubta@Jun 14 2005, 12:04 PM
offering a free trial with 50% off monthly converts the best...
Case 1: revenue when rebilled $42.90

Case 2: revenue when rebilled $19.95

Case two is 53% cheaper for the surfer. And it converts BETTER! wow, thats amazing. :blink: [/b][/quote]
I think you've just contradicted your earlier post Steve! :-))

I read your earlier post as saying that as long as the surfer has a cc then the price points of a low cost trial have relatively little effect on conversions.

If the monthly price has a big effect on conversions (what's the point of the trial then), then how does it affect the retention?

I seem to remember that back in the late 90s most of the proggies found that increasing the monthly price had relatively little effect on sales & retention. But I could be well wide of the mark.

[DollarManSteve]

Originally posted by Jeremy@Jun 15 2005, 04:01 AM
I think you've just contradicted your earlier post Steve! :-))

I read your earlier post as saying that as long as the surfer has a cc then the price points of a low cost trial have relatively little effect on conversions.

If the monthly price has a big effect on conversions (what's the point of the trial then), then how does it affect the retention?

I seem to remember that back in the late 90s most of the proggies found that increasing the monthly price had relatively little effect on sales & retention. But I could be well wide of the mark.
Hmm, I think I was just trying to make the point that in any other business this would be a funny conversation... only in this business do you have to argue that its easier to sell something for 53% less! :lol:

But the real point is,why bother offering Case 2 at all because it generates so much less revenue (given a consistent trial-full ratio), could the conversion rate really be THAT much higher to make up for the lost revenue? I stick by my earlier point of trial prices having a small effect on conversions and support the idea that the monthly price has little effect on retention.

[clubta]

Originally posted by DollarManSteve+Jun 15 2005, 06:26 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DollarManSteve @ Jun 15 2005, 06:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Jeremy@Jun 15 2005, 04:01 AM

Hmm, I think I was just trying to make the point that in any other business this would be a funny conversation... only in this business do you have to argue that its easier to sell something for 53% less! :lol:

But the real point is,why bother offering Case 2 at all because it generates so much less revenue (given a consistent trial-full ratio), could the conversion rate really be THAT much higher to make up for the lost revenue? I stick by my earlier point of trial prices having a small effect on conversions and support the idea that the monthly price has little effect on retention.
[/b][/quote]
steve,

let me explain, we offer $2.95 3 day trial, that converts at 39.95 monthly.
converts ok, and retians ok

we also offer a free 3 day trial that converts at 19.95 monthly
this converts better and retians better

the only way to see the free trial and 19.95 monthly is to see an affiliate promoting clubta.
clubta.com is currently selling for 2.95 3 day trial and recurs at 39.95..

only affiliates can promote the free trials and 19.95 monthly. or unless the member cancels his 3 day 2.95 trial or 39.95 monthly we offer him the free pass and 19.95 monthly and we still credit the affiliate for this join if they buy, which most do..via-cookies tracking with nats..

we have offered free trials, 2.95, 4.95 trials

we have tired 19.95, 24.95, 29.95, 34.95 and 39.95... the only big difference is the 50% off monthly... from 24.95 to 39.95 not much of a difference, but from 19.95 to 39.95 for the month people stay for an avg. of 3-5 months..

when they purchase for 39.95 they stay for 1-3 months... avg..

the longer the member stays a member, the longer and more stuff they purchase from the members area like, clubta store, like clubta live sex feeds (pay per view) and other video purchase's...

if you have not started to promote club T.A., what are you waiting for..? we are offering affiliates only free trials and upto 100% rev-share..

[Anthony]

Whticon sites had the best signup to conversion equation.

I will not share what it is, because it's part of my verbal Non Disclosure to Nick.

That and a few nights we got drunk and really messed up, and... Well I can't talk about that either.

[DollarManSteve]

Originally posted by clubta@Jun 16 2005, 05:45 AM

if you have not started to promote club T.A., what are you waiting for..? we are offering affiliates only free trials and upto 100% rev-share..
You guys obviously know your metrics better than anyone else, and if it wasnt generating more revenue, then you wouldnt be doing it! :P

As far as promoting ClubTA, I dont think I'll be doing that (being that I work for Dollarmachine/Python). But, Why don't I buy all your 401, 404/403 and exit traffic? my cheque writing hand is getting atrophy from under-use.

[Jeremy]

Originally posted by DollarManSteve@Jun 15 2005, 06:26 AM
Hmm, I think I was just trying to make the point that in any other business this would be a funny conversation... only in this business do you have to argue that its easier to sell something for 53% less! :lol:

LOL - wasn't tryiing to piss with you or put you down - glad you didn't see it like that :-)

Oddly, though I seem to remember info on a Marketing course from way back when that certain luxury goods are thought to be fairly price insensive purchases *unless* the drop below a certain level at which they're no longer perceived to be luxury and actually lose sales. Things like Rolls Royces, swimming pools etc.

(I've never seen any proper data to back this up, so it may just be a myth).

[Bhelliom]

Originally posted by Jeremy+Jun 16 2005, 08:38 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Jeremy @ Jun 16 2005, 08:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-DollarManSteve@Jun 15 2005, 06:26 AM
Hmm, I think I was just trying to make the point that in any other business this would be a funny conversation... only in this business do you have to argue that its easier to sell something for 53% less! :lol:

LOL - wasn't tryiing to piss with you or put you down - glad you didn't see it like that :-)

Oddly, though I seem to remember info on a Marketing course from way back when that certain luxury goods are thought to be fairly price insensive purchases *unless* the drop below a certain level at which they're no longer perceived to be luxury and actually lose sales. Things like Rolls Royces, swimming pools etc.

(I've never seen any proper data to back this up, so it may just be a myth). [/b][/quote]
You're right... with products that are marketed as "prestige" products... such as things in the sony store or speakers from bose.. or high end card like lamborghinis and stuff... prices tend to be very inelastic... they can charge whatever they want becuase people are paying for the name and the status that comes with owning them... not the object itself

[DollarManSteve]

Originally posted by Jeremy@Jun 16 2005, 08:38 AM


Oddly, though I seem to remember info on a Marketing course from way back when that certain luxury goods are thought to be fairly price insensive purchases *unless* the drop below a certain level at which they're no longer perceived to be luxury and actually lose sales. Things like Rolls Royces, swimming pools etc.

(I've never seen any proper data to back this up, so it may just be a myth).
Ahem, let me put on my economics hat. What you speak of is called a positive network externality. For luxury items, take a womens hand bag for example (you know those freakin $2000 LV bags!?!?) , as the price increases, so does its 'prestige value' and thus actually increases the demand (in a graphical sense a +ve externalilty flattens the demand curve, and in extreme cases can actually create an upward sloping demand curve! ie demand increases with price)

I know all those years at school would be good for something! :P

Though, I dont know whether this effect could be seen in porn sites.. someone should try it! $99.99 a month, no trial!!

[clubta]

Originally posted by DollarManSteve+Jun 16 2005, 06:22 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DollarManSteve @ Jun 16 2005, 06:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-clubta@Jun 16 2005, 05:45 AM

if you have not started to promote club T.A., what are you waiting for..? we are offering affiliates only free trials and upto 100% rev-share..
You guys obviously know your metrics better than anyone else, and if it wasnt generating more revenue, then you wouldnt be doing it! :P

As far as promoting ClubTA, I dont think I'll be doing that (being that I work for Dollarmachine/Python). But, Why don't I buy all your 401, 404/403 and exit traffic? my cheque writing hand is getting atrophy from under-use. [/b][/quote]
But, Why don't I buy all your 401, 404/403 and exit traffic? my cheque writing hand is getting atrophy from under-use.


I would consider selling some of our traffic from our advertisements.. we advertise on overture, google, sex, findwhat more..

steve who writes the checks you or dan..>?

I do not have exit consoles on our sites to sell. 100% credit for all sales goes to the affiliate..

webmaster

[DollarManSteve]

Originally posted by clubta@Jun 16 2005, 07:02 PM

steve who writes the checks you or dan..>?

I do not have exit consoles on our sites to sell. 100% credit for all sales goes to the affiliate..

Who's Dan?

No, I dont really write cheques, but I do have money to allocate. Some guy with a booming voice who sits in a chair behind a curtain at the end of a big, long hallway writes the cheques :blink:

[clubta]

Steve I will be gone until next thrusday, I would like to speak with you about my exit traffic from overture, google, sex.com and findwhat...

Does Danny works for dollar machine and Python..?

Steve get intouch with me next week.. thrusday works for me.. ICQ: 141219478
webmaster at clubta.com

[DollarManSteve]

Originally posted by clubta@Jun 17 2005, 07:53 AM
Steve I will be gone until next thrusday, I would like to speak with you about my exit traffic from overture, google, sex.com and findwhat...

Does Danny works for dollar machine and Python..?

Steve get intouch with me next week.. thrusday works for me.. ICQ: 141219478
webmaster at clubta.com
Ohhh.. Danny.. funny how that extra syllable completely threw me off :P yes, he sits 5 feet behind me. I'll hit you up next week :)