2257

[Inabon]

ok here is a theory i have. based on the fact that little has been done to erradicate porn's evils i wonder if the local us lawyers are pushing the theory that usa can catch you anywhere you go thus deeming offshore as useless to save their income not yours.

I bring these factors in to play

1. if a lot of companies go offshore lots of offshore lawyers get their money not usa.
2. every time i heare 2257 and offshore there is a big shot lawyer saying it is no good they can catch you.


the date is getting closer we shall see what happens. i only want everyone to be carefull there is a lot of the sky is falling shit and nothing but USA is good going around and i think it is being overrated. i mean like i posted before in the ascrap thread

cp is alive, cheaters are alive and only law abbiding usa webmasters are getting fucked.

ttyl

[Trev]

I'm not even going to touch this one... and do you know why?



Because I'm in the UK and don't need to :lol:

[Lee]

Originally posted by Trev@Jun 11 2005, 10:26 AM
I'm not even going to touch this one... and do you know why?



Because I'm in the UK and don't need to :lol:
Haha same here.

Our 'porn' company is in the UK so theres nothing that can be done to us here as all we operate out of the US are resources :)

[Trev]

Originally posted by Lee+Jun 11 2005, 07:43 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lee @ Jun 11 2005, 07:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Trev@Jun 11 2005, 10:26 AM
I'm not even going to touch this one... and do you know why?



Because I'm in the UK and don't need to :lol:
Haha same here.

Our 'porn' company is in the UK so theres nothing that can be done to us here as all we operate out of the US are resources :) [/b][/quote]
So everything is kushdy for you as well :D

[Lee]

Yep it is :)

The only problem is having to transfer a couple of recently registered domains across to our UK LTD which is gonna cost me a few bucks for each domain :(

[Trev]

Originally posted by Lee@Jun 11 2005, 08:27 PM
Yep it is :)

The only problem is having to transfer a couple of recently registered domains across to our UK LTD which is gonna cost me a few bucks for each domain :(
I was just thinking about this and it hit me that unless your a US citizen you shouldn't really have any worries anyway :groucho:

[Inabon]

Originally posted by Trev+Jun 11 2005, 02:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Trev @ Jun 11 2005, 02:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Lee@Jun 11 2005, 08:27 PM
Yep it is :)

The only problem is having to transfer a couple of recently registered domains across to our UK LTD which is gonna cost me a few bucks for each domain :(
I was just thinking about this and it hit me that unless your a US citizen you shouldn't really have any worries anyway :groucho: [/b][/quote]
well not soo true i don´t see why an offshore based us citizen has to worry. specially if he is just getting a salary like an employee and the company has offshore based directors.

ahh well still i think USA lawyers are cooking something after all they are lawyers.

[Lee]

Originally posted by Trev+Jun 11 2005, 11:31 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Trev @ Jun 11 2005, 11:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Lee@Jun 11 2005, 08:27 PM
Yep it is :)

The only problem is having to transfer a couple of recently registered domains across to our UK LTD which is gonna cost me a few bucks for each domain :(
I was just thinking about this and it hit me that unless your a US citizen you shouldn't really have any worries anyway :groucho: [/b][/quote]
It has nothing to do with being a US citizen, its about owning a US corporation.

Plus, strictly speaking, even though im not a nationalized US citizen by being in the country i MUST follow their laws, the same as if someone from the US heads over to the UK they must follow the UK laws, even if they only go for a holiday.

Thankfully im only a resident alien with my greencard here and i have no immediate plans to get citizenship, at least while the political climate over here is what it is and because im only a resident alien, the 2257 laws (and corporate laws) are a little more complex for me to follow than the average American :awinky:

[Trev]

Originally posted by Lee+Jun 11 2005, 08:39 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lee @ Jun 11 2005, 08:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Trev@Jun 11 2005, 11:31 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Lee@Jun 11 2005, 08:27 PM
Yep it is :)

The only problem is having to transfer a couple of recently registered domains across to our UK LTD which is gonna cost me a few bucks for each domain :(
I was just thinking about this and it hit me that unless your a US citizen you shouldn't really have any worries anyway :groucho:
It has nothing to do with being a US citizen, its about owning a US corporation.

Plus, strictly speaking, even though im not a nationalized US citizen by being in the country i MUST follow their laws, the same as if someone from the US heads over to the UK they must follow the UK laws, even if they only go for a holiday.

Thankfully im only a resident alien with my greencard here and i have no immediate plans to get citizenship, at least while the political climate over here is what it is and because im only a resident alien, the 2257 laws (and coporate laws) are a little more complex for me to follow :awinky: [/b][/quote]
Ahh I didn't know you had a US Corp... that's a kicker...

[Trev]

Originally posted by Inabon+Jun 11 2005, 08:36 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Inabon @ Jun 11 2005, 08:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Trev@Jun 11 2005, 02:31 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Lee@Jun 11 2005, 08:27 PM
Yep it is :)

The only problem is having to transfer a couple of recently registered domains across to our UK LTD which is gonna cost me a few bucks for each domain :(
I was just thinking about this and it hit me that unless your a US citizen you shouldn't really have any worries anyway :groucho:
well not soo true i don´t see why an offshore based us citizen has to worry. specially if he is just getting a salary like an employee and the company has offshore based directors.

ahh well still i think USA lawyers are cooking something after all they are lawyers. [/b][/quote]
Interesting point but I'd hate to put my ass on the line if I was a US citizen :unsure:

[Titan]

i love my boat aswell

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Inabon+Jun 11 2005, 11:36 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Inabon @ Jun 11 2005, 11:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Trev@Jun 11 2005, 02:31 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Lee@Jun 11 2005, 08:27 PM
Yep it is :)

The only problem is having to transfer a couple of recently registered domains across to our UK LTD which is gonna cost me a few bucks for each domain :(
I was just thinking about this and it hit me that unless your a US citizen you shouldn't really have any worries anyway :groucho:
well not soo true i don´t see why an offshore based us citizen has to worry. specially if he is just getting a salary like an employee and the company has offshore based directors.

ahh well still i think USA lawyers are cooking something after all they are lawyers. [/b][/quote]
Inabon,

A Panamian lawyer will advise you whether it breaks Panamanian Law. ( what your suggesting I'm sure doesn't)

A US lawyer will advise a US citizen resident in the US over US law.(What your suggesting I'm reasonably sure will)

And my guess would be that advice would be "You are a US citizen you should obey the laws of the US and having yr shit owned by a Panamanian corp ( all of a sudden)and then being paid a salary from said corp could be viewed as a sham transaction and by doing so you just upped the "

but I am not a lawyer, though I retain a lot. :)

And as a Canadian my official position is " I don't give a fuck" :)

IMHO Any US lawyer that would advise his client to try what you suggest Inabon had better have some fucking amazing E&O Insurance ;-))

[Inabon]

i see your point and i have the same offical position as you cause i am not bound by usa laws cause our corp is 100% panama based.

what i meant and i think i blurred the point a bit is that you have to be carefull with scams due to this.

there is a lot of money to be lost due to these regulations and lawyers are among the group that gets hit first.

[Dravyk]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jun 11 2005, 07:44 PM
but I am not a lawyer, though I retain a lot. :)
So you're saying it's mostly water weight? :rolleyes:

[PornoDoggy]

Uhhh ... unless your ass is one of the assets you are moving off-shore, hosting outside of the U.S. will offer no protection from 2257 regulations.

and only law abbiding usa webmasters are getting fucked

That is the intent of these regulations.

[Lee]

In fact, the only winners in this entire situation are going to be attorneys.

[Inabon]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Jun 11 2005, 08:30 PM
Uhhh ... unless your ass is one of the assets you are moving off-shore, hosting outside of the U.S. will offer no protection from 2257 regulations.

and only law abbiding usa webmasters are getting fucked

That is the intent of these regulations.
agreed so moving for usa webmasters is not a solution so be complaint and be in dissadvantage. meanwhile the rest of the world will use traffic you start missing cause of complaint issues or lack of marketing tools because of 2257 issues.

welcome to 1990 i still remember when there was something that stated that no hardcore could be used on tours and banners ermmn i still see those around :)


good luck usa.

[Vick]

Something else crossed my mind about this

How will the 2257 changes effect those paid by US based companies?
Let's say you're hosted and based in Blue Sky, FuckemImnotintheusa but receive payment from US based companies

What then? Is it possible that type of reach will come into effect?

It's a far stretch but as absurd and potentially dangerous as the new 2257 is ........

[Inabon]

Originally posted by Vick@Jun 12 2005, 12:11 AM
Something else crossed my mind about this

How will the 2257 changes effect those paid by US based companies?
Let's say you're hosted and based in Blue Sky, FuckemImnotintheusa but receive payment from US based companies

What then? Is it possible that type of reach will come into effect?

It's a far stretch but as absurd and potentially dangerous as the new 2257 is ........
well for usa based sponsors i see a traffic shortage.

[Timon]

Isn't the legal status of porn in the UK sort of questionable? I know it was a few years ago, has that changed?

[el pres]

Originally posted by Timon@Jun 12 2005, 01:37 AM
Isn't the legal status of porn in the UK sort of questionable? I know it was a few years ago, has that changed?
Yep, the laws changed a few years ago.. you can get hardcore there now.

[Timon]

Originally posted by el pres+Jun 12 2005, 02:52 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (el pres @ Jun 12 2005, 02:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Timon@Jun 12 2005, 01:37 AM
Isn't the legal status of porn in the UK sort of questionable? I know it was a few years ago, has that changed?
Yep, the laws changed a few years ago.. you can get hardcore there now. [/b][/quote]
Good to see the British now get to have their basic human rights ;-)

[Trev]

Originally posted by Timon+Jun 12 2005, 09:29 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Timon @ Jun 12 2005, 09:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by el pres@Jun 12 2005, 02:52 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Timon@Jun 12 2005, 01:37 AM
Isn't the legal status of porn in the UK sort of questionable? I know it was a few years ago, has that changed?
Yep, the laws changed a few years ago.. you can get hardcore there now.
Good to see the British now get to have their basic human rights ;-) [/b][/quote]
Yep it used to be illegal here in the UK and anyone uploading adult content could be prosecuted for "publication".

BUT then along came R18 making it legal as long as we stick to the classification.

:D

[Lee]

Originally posted by Trev+Jun 12 2005, 01:19 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Trev @ Jun 12 2005, 01:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Timon@Jun 12 2005, 09:29 AM
Originally posted by el pres@Jun 12 2005, 02:52 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Timon@Jun 12 2005, 01:37 AM
Isn't the legal status of porn in the UK sort of questionable? I know it was a few years ago, has that changed?
Yep, the laws changed a few years ago.. you can get hardcore there now.
Good to see the British now get to have their basic human rights ;-)
Yep it used to be illegal here in the UK and anyone uploading adult content could be prosecuted for "publication".

BUT then along came R18 making it legal as long as we stick to the classification.

:D [/b][/quote]
Right but...

Now its illegal to buy R18 porn unless you do so in person which basically means, the classification law doesnt really pertain to 'web' based porn.

As long as you stick to stuff that is rated 18 though you should be fine ;)

[Trev]

Originally posted by Lee+Jun 12 2005, 05:28 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lee @ Jun 12 2005, 05:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Trev@Jun 12 2005, 01:19 AM
Originally posted by Timon@Jun 12 2005, 09:29 AM
Originally posted by el pres@Jun 12 2005, 02:52 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Timon@Jun 12 2005, 01:37 AM
Isn't the legal status of porn in the UK sort of questionable? I know it was a few years ago, has that changed?
Yep, the laws changed a few years ago.. you can get hardcore there now.
Good to see the British now get to have their basic human rights ;-)
Yep it used to be illegal here in the UK and anyone uploading adult content could be prosecuted for "publication".

BUT then along came R18 making it legal as long as we stick to the classification.

:D
Right but...

Now its illegal to buy R18 porn unless you do so in person which basically means, the classification law doesnt really pertain to 'web' based porn.

As long as you stick to stuff that is rated 18 though you should be fine ;) [/b][/quote]
Fingers crossed at least :unsure:


Oh wait thats what the zoo do :yowsa:

[JoesHO]

Now would be a good time for me to mention that I know a great new sponsor program in the works ( as a few of you know already)

As a good Panamanian corp. the program http://www.afterdarkcash.com will have a seperate version for Non USA webmasters to use.

The Principles at www.afterdarkcash.com Love their offshore brethern and will do whatever They can to insure you great quality porn sites to promote

Please send all your Traffic that is NON USA and I am sure that they will take good care of you.


Unfortuinatly due to USA Law this company will not accept USA webmasters to promote these sites.

( However USA surfers are welcome to buy a membership to these sites.) :)