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JoanASACP
06-09-2005, 06:30 PM
ASACP CLARIFIES ITS NEUTRAL POSITION ON .XXX
Los Angeles - (June 9, 2005) – The Association of Sites Advocating Child Protection (ASACP) neither approves nor disapproves of .xxx. In 2003, ASACP was approached by ICM Registry to support .xxx. The ASACP Advisory Council decided that such support was not within the ASACP mission; therefore, ASACP does not take a position on the concept of .xxx.
ASACP works with other associations such as Distributed Computing Industry Association (DCIA) to help them be more effective in their efforts in the battle against child pornography. In fact, last month, ASACP launched cpHotline.org with DCIA’s P2P Patrol (http://www.asacp.org/press/pr050305.html).
If ICANN approves .xxx, ASACP would finalize a service agreement with ICM Registry/ International Foundation for Online Responsibility (IFFOR) for the use of cphotline.org. In addition, since IFFOR plans to contribute to various child protection associations, ASACP would accept such a contribution.
On May 17, 2004, ASACP posted the following letter (http://forum.icann.org/lists/stld-rfp-xxx/msg00061.html) “applauding IFFOR and ICM Registry's initiative to integrate tools and technology for finding and reporting child pornography websites into their proposed registry application.”
“ASACP (asacp.org) is the organization that helps the adult site industry make a difference in the battle against child pornography. ASACP recognizes sexual child abuse as a heinous crime committed against children. As a major deterrent to such abuse, ASACP was formed in 1996 and is dedicated to eliminating child pornography from the Internet. ASACP also provides a self-regulatory vehicle for its membership through a Code of Ethics that promotes the protection of children through responsible, professional business practices. Over 4,700 adult sites have joined our cause in raising awareness about this subject.
ASACP investigates and assists the F.B.I. and the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC) in enforcing anti-child pornography laws against thousands of child pornography sites. To date, ASACP has received and reviewed over 100,000 reports of suspect child pornography, of which more than 25,000 valid child pornography sites have been reported to the F.B.I and NCMEC.
ASACP has been in negotiations with the International Foundation for Online Responsibility (IFFOR) and ICM for it to serve as a hotline for reviewing reports of suspected child pornography and to carry out the secondary monitoring of .xxx sites for child pornography.
I applaud IFFOR and ICM Registry's initiative to integrate tools and technology of finding and reporting child pornography websites into their proposed registry application to the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN).
I also support the online adult industry developing their own credible business practices in conjunction with other impacted stakeholders and support the IFFOR initiative to create a line of communication between the adult industry and the global community.”
“I am surprised that people are attacking ASACP for potentially providing the use of cpHotline.org to IFFOR. Plus, this has been public information for over a year” said Joan Irvine, executive director of ASACP. “When people asked, I told them ASACP’s position and the potential for the service agreement. I will be attending Cybernet Expo (http://www.cybernetexpo.com) in San Diego next week and will be on the "Hot Issues and Problems in the Adult Internet" seminar on Tuesday, June 14th at 1:45 pm. If anyone has additional questions, please feel free to contact me.”
The ASACP mission is to help battle child pornography on the Internet. It provides a child pornography (CP) reporting hotline. ASACP provides a self-regulatory vehicle for its members through a Code of Ethics that promotes the protection of children through responsible, professional business practices (http://www.asacp.org/bestpractices.html). Also, it offers the benefit to its members of monitoring traffic to their sites, which proves to government agencies that these sites are in no way involved with CP. Both of these efforts are progressing very well with the implementation of a new technology system over the last two years.
For further information visit the ASACP site (www.asacp.org) or contact Joan Irvine at joan@asacp.org.
Inabon
06-09-2005, 08:43 PM
great post for search engines. kicking ass on the ugly term. anyways good for asacp
my question is what do they think about 2257 do they think it helps?
Joan, if this is a fly by post you'll not see this...but, I'll take my chances....
since IFFOR plans to contribute to various child protection associations, ASACP would accept such a contribution.
Of course ASACP would......
ASACP has been in negotiations with the International Foundation for Online Responsibility (IFFOR) and ICM for it to serve as a hotline for reviewing reports of suspected child pornography and to carry out the secondary monitoring of .xxx sites for child pornography.
Is this not the function of ASACP in the first place? Whether it's .xxx, .com, .net, .org?
And can you elaborate on 'secondary monitoring'?
Do you believe that true CP site webmasters would use an .xxx TLD...espcially since it is NOT mandatory? Isn't the point of .xxx, according to IFFOR and ICM, to present a venue for 'responsible' adult webmasters in their online business ventures? You are obviously aware that CP webmasters aren't exactly the most 'responsible' bunch.
I also support the online adult industry developing their own credible business practices in conjunction with other impacted stakeholders and support the IFFOR initiative to create a line of communication between the adult industry and the global community.”
Do you not believe that the online adult industry already has 'credible business practices' in place without being associated with these 'impacted stakeholders'? How do you envision this creation of 'a line of communication between the adult industry and the global community'? How will .xxx promote such communication?
I am surprised that people are attacking ASACP for potentially providing the use of cpHotline.org to IFFOR.
IFFOR, as with any company, or individual has always had use of cphotline.org and ASACP...that's what you're there for. Why did ASACP feel it necessary to establish to the public that IFFOR can make use of the ASACP resources?
Dravyk
06-09-2005, 09:13 PM
ASACP (asacp.org) is the organization that helps the adult site industry make a difference in the battle against child pornography
ASACP has done many worthwhile things, grant it. Overall they must be lauded for their fine work. But I have to admit there are things about it I just don't totally agree with.
ASACP gets most of it's traffic from adult sites and resources, and sends none back. It gets most of its publicity and promotion from news articles and published press releases in the adult community too, but again, sends nothing back. And it continues to take even after changing its name in a concerted effort to push itself still further away the very industry that supports it.
Am I the only one who thinks this is a backslap and a one-way relationship?
Furthermore, shutting down CP sites helps everybody, people in porn, people in mainstream, people in goverment, families, people who aren't even online. (Again, very very laudible and worthwhile!) ... Just, I'm not understanding totally, how then does it specifically become the "organiaztion that helps the adult online industry make a difference"?
As a long-time supporter, hopefully, Joan, you'll see this is not an attack, just curious about some things and would be great if you could answer them. Thanks.
Inabon
06-09-2005, 09:48 PM
flyby :blink:
Mike AI
06-09-2005, 09:49 PM
Originally posted by Dravyk@Jun 9 2005, 08:14 PM
ASACP (asacp.org) is the organization that helps the adult site industry make a difference in the battle against child pornography
ASACP has done many worthwhile things, grant it. Overall they must be lauded for their fine work. But I have to admit there are things about it I just don't totally agree with.
ASACP gets most of it's traffic from adult sites and resources, and sends none back. It gets most of its publicity and promotion from news articles and published press releases in the adult community too, but again, sends nothing back. And it continues to take even after changing its name in a concerted effort to push itself still further away the very industry that supports it.
Am I the only one who thinks this is a backslap and a one-way relationship?
Furthermore, shutting down CP sites helps everybody, people in porn, people in mainstream, people in goverment, families, people who aren't even online. (Again, very very laudible and worthwhile!) ... Just, I'm not understanding totally, how then does it specifically become the "organiaztion that helps the adult online industry make a difference"?
As a long-time supporter, hopefully, Joan, you'll see this is not an attack, just curious about some things and would be great if you could answer them. Thanks.
Wow!!! Drav is growing up and getting off the fence!!
:okthumb:
Newton
06-09-2005, 10:28 PM
ok .. does "applaud" in the second paragraph below, mean you are sitting on the fence?
"ASACP has been in negotiations with the International Foundation for Online Responsibility (IFFOR) and ICM for it to serve as a hotline for reviewing reports of suspected child pornography and to carry out the secondary monitoring of .xxx sites for child pornography.
I applaud IFFOR and ICM Registry's initiative to integrate tools and
technology of finding and reporting child pornography websites into their
proposed registry application to the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)."
Its does appear to your benefit if people buy xxx domains as you get a percentage of the funds of this .. You are still sitting on the fence and not supporting this? ..
from the xbiz article .. http://www.xbiz.com/news_piece.php?id=8969&searchstring=xxx
"While the selling price for .XXX domains has not yet been determined, Jason Hendeles, ICM Registry vice president, said that $10 of each domain sale will be designated to IFFOR to contribute to issues facing the online adult industry, and of those proceeds, a percentage will be donated to the Association of Sites Advocating Child Protection and the battle against child pornography."
Newton, I wish you were dead
I declare cancer on you
and I want to see your guts hanging out, for pleasure
Newton
06-10-2005, 01:27 AM
Originally posted by peon@Jun 9 2005, 09:18 PM
Newton, I wish you were dead
I declare cancer on you
and I want to see your guts hanging out, for pleasure
ahahahaha Thank you .. I needed that moment of levity
BillPMB
06-10-2005, 01:29 AM
You fucktards have hit a new low.
Editing someones avatar and or handle is tantamount to being a fucking republican.
You rail about free speech, yet you adjust other's speech to amuse yourself or bring it within your own ways of thinking? God forbid someone have an opposing view, let alone a view more witty, thought provoking, abusive, or downright nut twisting than any of (a collective) you could author.
As you can see, I'm pissed off.
:ph34r:
Originally posted by BillPMB@Jun 9 2005, 09:30 PM
You fucktards have hit a new low.
Editing someones avatar and or handle is tantamount to being a fucking republican.
You rail about free speech, yet you adjust other's speech to amuse yourself or bring it within your own ways of thinking? God forbid someone have an opposing view, let alone a view more witty, thought provoking, abusive, or downright nut twisting than any of (a collective) you could author.
As you can see, I'm pissed off.
:ph34r:
Bill, it would be a pleasure to see you die. When I close my eyes I see you being ripped apart by a pack of Rottweilers.
It's not evil, it's pure joy.
Anthony
06-10-2005, 01:38 AM
I hate Aeon.
Changing his post and nick, well that sucks ass.
It shows giving up, and ulitmately that he has won.
Newton
06-10-2005, 01:41 AM
Aeon's name hasnt been changed, he is still online reading this thread .. peon is a different entity entirely ...
Newton*, aeon*, peon, BillPMB, Dravyk are reading this thread
Originally posted by Anthony@Jun 9 2005, 09:39 PM
I hate Aeon.
Changing his post and nick, well that sucks ass.
It shows giving up, and ulitmately that he has won.
I aint aeon, I'm peon, aeon's angry brother
RAARRRGGGHHHHH!!!
Newton
06-10-2005, 02:00 AM
Originally posted by peon+Jun 9 2005, 09:43 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (peon @ Jun 9 2005, 09:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Anthony@Jun 9 2005, 09:39 PM
I hate Aeon.
Changing his post and nick, well that sucks ass.
It shows giving up, and ulitmately that he has won.
I aint aeon, I'm peon, aeon's angry brother
RAARRRGGGHHHHH!!! [/b][/quote]
No longer ..
Timon
06-10-2005, 02:09 AM
Come on guys that's just plain wrong ;-))
Dravyk
06-10-2005, 02:21 AM
Yeah, I'm sure we're going to get a real response from ASCAP now since this thread has turned to shit.
So YOU'RE PISSED? Fuck the hell out of you. A REAL business thread turned to shit. Go to GFY and shit all over the place, asswipe.
Newton
06-10-2005, 02:26 AM
Yes it is, I completely agree .. peon is restricted from posting and i deleted the inappropriate thread regarding Trev .. It was not aeon who was posting, nor any of the mods, since I was the only mod online at the time.
Almighty Colin
06-10-2005, 03:10 AM
"This just in. Sweden restates its neutral position." The news is crazy these days.
I need to get my acronyms straight. I thought the Association for the Advancement of Colored People was here. As far as I know, Timon is the only person of color on this board.
Almighty Colin
06-10-2005, 03:10 AM
Originally posted by Timon@Jun 10 2005, 01:10 AM
Come on guys that's just plain wrong ;-))
:groucho:
gonzo
06-10-2005, 03:35 AM
Newton get rid of that cocksucker
gonzo
06-10-2005, 03:43 AM
Joan I will be asking you publically Tuesday on the forum in San Diego what the hell you just clarified.
From what I can see nothing has changed.
Originally posted by Newton@Jun 10 2005, 07:27 AM
is restricted from posting and i deleted the inappropriate thread regarding Trev ..
Newton could you hit me up regarding this when you get a chance mate :)
I'd like this thread to get back on track because I want Joan to come and answer the questions and points that have been made!
Timon
06-10-2005, 05:00 AM
Sorry for being ignorant... but CP sites are already illegal to operate on any form of domain extension, I fail to see how CP and .XXX have any relevance to each other.
Originally posted by Timon@Jun 10 2005, 10:01 AM
Sorry for being ignorant... but CP sites are already illegal to operate on any form of domain extension, I fail to see how CP and .XXX have any relevance to each other.
You’ll have to excuse my ignorance as well, but I thought most CP sites where just IP’s and not an actual .anything <_<
Timon
06-10-2005, 05:06 AM
Originally posted by Trev+Jun 10 2005, 04:03 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Trev @ Jun 10 2005, 04:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Timon@Jun 10 2005, 10:01 AM
Sorry for being ignorant... but CP sites are already illegal to operate on any form of domain extension, I fail to see how CP and .XXX have any relevance to each other.
You’ll have to excuse my ignorance as well, but I thought most CP sites where just IP’s and not an actual .anything <_< [/b][/quote]
I just reported one site that spammed me to the Interpol reporting center and it was a .com
Having said that any site, CP or otherwise can be operated from an IP address and it won't affect sales in any way so this whole .xxx thing is just plain silly :)
Originally posted by BillPMB@Jun 10 2005, 06:30 AM
You fucktards have hit a new low.
Editing someones avatar and or handle is tantamount to being a fucking republican.
You rail about free speech, yet you adjust other's speech to amuse yourself or bring it within your own ways of thinking? God forbid someone have an opposing view, let alone a view more witty, thought provoking, abusive, or downright nut twisting than any of (a collective) you could author.
As you can see, I'm pissed off.
:ph34r:
Bill,
The only time any of the mods here alter anything that is posted is when it is deemed as spam and then only sigs and links are pulled. Usernames never get changed or banned.
It wouldn’t benefit Oprano to mess with aeons screen name because even though I find his/her views mentally unbalanced and not more witty, thought provoking, abusive, or downright nut twisting, they still get page views. I can’t go against anything that does that.
I will however ask that next time you at least look at the post count before jumping in with the “You Fucktards” line.
Also because, as you say we rail about free speech, the username peon wasn’t banned but placed on a temporary suspension. So whoever has registered it will soon be free to resume posting again. I'd hate for anyone to think we only did things to keep certain people happy or to amuse ourselves.
Thank you.
Trev
Mike AI
06-10-2005, 10:25 AM
To quote someone who has been in the news a lot recently " Follow the money!"
Nickatilynx
06-10-2005, 10:44 AM
Originally posted by Newton+Jun 9 2005, 10:01 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Newton @ Jun 9 2005, 10:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by peon@Jun 9 2005, 09:43 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Anthony@Jun 9 2005, 09:39 PM
I hate Aeon.
Changing his post and nick, well that sucks ass.
It shows giving up, and ulitmately that he has won.
I aint aeon, I'm peon, aeon's angry brother
RAARRRGGGHHHHH!!!
No longer .. [/b][/quote]
I think the joke flew over your head me old mate ;-)))
Anthony
06-10-2005, 10:47 AM
Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Jun 10 2005, 06:45 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Jun 10 2005, 06:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Newton@Jun 9 2005, 10:01 PM
Originally posted by peon@Jun 9 2005, 09:43 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Anthony@Jun 9 2005, 09:39 PM
I hate Aeon.
Changing his post and nick, well that sucks ass.
It shows giving up, and ulitmately that he has won.
I aint aeon, I'm peon, aeon's angry brother
RAARRRGGGHHHHH!!!
No longer ..
I think the joke flew over your head me old mate ;-))) [/b][/quote]
<sigh> I'm getting old.
I didn't bother to read the post count or date, just the posts. :(
I'm going on a sabbatical. Be back in an hour.
It’s nice to have fans...the reality that some dork would actually take the time to create a fake character around me makes me all warm and fuzzy inside.
...and reaffirms my deep-seated belief that most of you should take a little vacation to the new and improved Dachau resort.
Timon
06-10-2005, 12:02 PM
Originally posted by aeon@Jun 10 2005, 10:38 AM
It’s nice to have fans...the reality that some dork would actually take the time to create a fake character around me makes me all warm and fuzzy inside.
Says a lot about your achievements in life if you're flattered that easily :okthumb:
Originally posted by Timon@Jun 10 2005, 01:01 AM
Sorry for being ignorant... but CP sites are already illegal to operate on any form of domain extension, I fail to see how CP and .XXX have any relevance to each other.
You pretty much said what I felt in 2 sentences.....lol
I really hope Joan comes back to this thread and addresses some of the questions...maybe that will help ASACP understand that the 'attacking' of ASACP isn't about ASACP potentially "providing the use of cpHotline.org to IFFOR" (which they, and everyone already has use of) .....but rather the issues that have been brought up on this board...
Dravyk makes some excellent points including the constant one-way support ASACP has received from the Adult Internet Community....
Timon says he sees no corrolation between CP and .xxx ....maybe Joan can let us know how she and ASACP DO see the corrolation.
And I, am still curious as to why ASACP would allow a media campaign that focused on the fact that it would give IFFOR access to it's resources when, in actuality, the ASACP resources are open to everyone, anyway?
Actually, I already know the answer to this one.... $$$ Mike AI is 100% correct....and, if I were in ASACP's position, I can't say I would have done it any differently....
Raven
06-10-2005, 01:38 PM
Originally posted by gonzo@Jun 9 2005, 11:44 PM
Joan I will be asking you publically Tuesday on the forum in San Diego what the hell you just clarified.
From what I can see nothing has changed.
And, I'll be there, too.
Joan already knows my position on ASACP's stand on anime. We've had some lively discussions concerning it, even though the Supreme Court's ruling makes it legal....
So, I'm not surprised at this announcement.
why is the ASACP necessary other than to put a "feel good" button on your site redundantly proclaiming you are against CP to the public. Why not just link to the FBI or appropriate federal agencies? Wouldn't the net effect and impact be the same?
Actually ASACP does a lot more than simply take from the industry without giving back. It's not my place to go into what they are working on or whom they might be working with, and I'm not on the board or involved with them other than to happen to be friends with Joan and several of their AC members.
At this point in time though, I'd say that any organization in our industry that is showing an effort - a real one -- not the money-centered one that .xxx crap is -- to show the government that at least someone is making an effort to work with them.
JoesHO
06-10-2005, 04:26 PM
Wow, yup I agree Ascap this is a little fishy.
I also agree that ascap at it's core is doing a good service to the industry and beyond .
I also agree that changing posts sucks.
I also agree that Aeon is a dueche
I also agree that agreeing this much makes me look like an ass kisser.(moron)
Originally posted by JoesHO1@Jun 10 2005, 09:27 PM
Wow, yup I agree Ascap this is a little fishy.
I also agree that ascap at it's core is doing a good service to the industry and beyond .
I also agree that changing posts sucks.
I also agree that Aeon is a dueche
I also agree that agreeing this much makes me look like an ass kisser.(moron)
lmao
:wnw:
Nickatilynx
06-10-2005, 04:31 PM
Originally posted by *KK*@Jun 10 2005, 10:35 AM
Actually ASACP does a lot more than simply take from the industry without giving back. It's not my place to go into what they are working on or whom they might be working with, and I'm not on the board or involved with them other than to happen to be friends with Joan and several of their AC members.
At this point in time though, I'd say that any organization in our industry that is showing an effort - a real one -- not the money-centered one that .xxx crap is -- to show the government that at least someone is making an effort to work with them.
KK,
You do take sucking up to a whole new level :)
Dravyk
06-10-2005, 06:07 PM
Guess it was just a drive-by afterall. So much for discusssion.
Originally posted by *KK*@Jun 10 2005, 01:35 PM
Actually ASACP does a lot more than simply take from the industry without giving back. It's not my place to go into what they are working on or whom they might be working with, and I'm not on the board or involved with them other than to happen to be friends with Joan and several of their AC members.
At this point in time though, I'd say that any organization in our industry that is showing an effort - a real one -- not the money-centered one that .xxx crap is -- to show the government that at least someone is making an effort to work with them.
Well, since she'll probably not be back to answer, we won't know what those mysterious benefits are apparently.
And ... since it is no longer "Adult Sites" ACP ... there IS no industry working with the goverment part there anymore.
Originally posted by Dravyk@Jun 10 2005, 02:08 PM
Well, since she'll probably not be back to answer, we won't know what those mysterious benefits are apparently.
And ... since it is no longer "Adult Sites" ACP ... there IS no industry working with the goverment part there anymore.
Dravyk is going to be put on double secret probation by The Secret Order Of The Neutral Protectors for his insolence.
Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Jun 10 2005, 12:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Jun 10 2005, 12:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-*KK*@Jun 10 2005, 10:35 AM
Actually ASACP does a lot more than simply take from the industry without giving back. It's not my place to go into what they are working on or whom they might be working with, and I'm not on the board or involved with them other than to happen to be friends with Joan and several of their AC members.
At this point in time though, I'd say that any organization in our industry that is showing an effort - a real one -- not the money-centered one that .xxx crap is -- to show the government that at least someone is making an effort to work with them.
KK,
You do take sucking up to a whole new level :) [/b][/quote]
Just make sure you know which way the river flows ;)
Originally posted by Dravyk@Jun 10 2005, 02:08 PM
And ... since it is no longer "Adult Sites" ACP ... there IS no industry working with the goverment part there anymore.
A simple solution for that would be for all ADULT webmasters to take down the ASACP buttons then $0.02
Newton
06-10-2005, 08:45 PM
competition is always a healthy thing :)
Inabon
06-10-2005, 11:28 PM
Originally posted by peon+Jun 10 2005, 12:43 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (peon @ Jun 10 2005, 12:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Anthony@Jun 9 2005, 09:39 PM
I hate Aeon.
Changing his post and nick, well that sucks ass.
It shows giving up, and ulitmately that he has won.
I aint aeon, I'm peon, aeon's angry brother
RAARRRGGGHHHHH!!! [/b][/quote]
wait a fucking minute the dual identity idea was gonzo´s and mine there can only be 1 alter ego minibon
freee minibon.
:) not really but still there can be only one LOL
Inabon
06-10-2005, 11:39 PM
going back to subject. ASCAP is a joke. nothing different than a branch of any government. they just found a way to make money by not being able to erradicate cp.
i mean come on. i remember back when it all started. webmasters said ohh lets fight cp cause it is killing the industry yadda yadda yadda.
facts
CP is still alive and making money
ASCAP has turned around and are going to cash in on some stupid domain sales
this was a fucking fly by post
don´t get me wrong it is cool that we fight the crime but why 1 organization to make cash on it. fuck that if instead of donating money to have a lame ass ascap label that doesnt amount to much except to be an in crowd we should have all helped the government fight the crime better and maybe 2257 would have not been passed to fuck us in the ass.
how many cp sites have gone down?
how many in jail?
cp is still going on and now this .xxx is just a joke to get newbies to pay and software companies to pay comissions on sales because it may help to control access now that you have an easier target.
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