TGP2 Is It Only Nobodys

[Lee]

http://www.tgp2base.com/bbs/viewforum.php?...days=0&start=50 (http://www.tgp2base.com/bbs/viewforum.php?f=1&topicdays=0&start=50)

(sorry for the link to another board).

I just scanned through the list of names there and i cant say i have heard of any of them before.

So whats the dealio with TGP2? Still as dead as it was 2 weeks after the concept launched?

Is anyone HERE making any serious money with the TGP2 concept or is it all just a scam to get newbie traffic?

[PornoDoggy]

Some people make money with TGP2. I can tell you the conversion ratios were far better than anything else I've done; the problem with TGP2 was always the lack of traffic.

Whether it is the kind of money that would interest the folks on Oprano is an entirely different question.

IMHO, the "scam to get newbie traffic" was run a long time ago and was a greater factor than flaming egos in ensuring the model never had any chance of growing into a significant marketing niche in the inudstry.

[Trev]

I remember Jimmer and sumrpal from the Netpond newbie board waaay back.

[OzKaNoz]

Hi OzKaNoz here
Its been a long time since I posted here.

The fact is Tgp2 never died. It did get smaller as far as sites go.
I was there from the begaining in a thread that started in July of 2001.

The Tgp2 webring is still going. No it doesn't have the 400 plus sites it did but it is still alive.

Traffic is a factor but is not as much a factor as the normal tgp stuff.
The truth is Tgp2 does convert better even with less traffic.

Remember if you can't get the traffic then buy it. Simple! Just aim it at your Tgp2 galleries and sites.

Build traffic hub sites and filter the traffic to your Tgp2 sites and galleries.

While the traffic in todays Tgp2 is not really outstanding it still is enough to convert with. It does pay off. It sure more sense then buying a gallery spot and making little or no sales.

There are all sort of webmasters doing Tgp2 in the background. They just choose not to make it public because of all the Tgp2 bashing in the past.

If you are thinking you would like more for your work and want to work smarter not harder then Tgp2 may be for you.

OzKaNoz

[Trev]

Good to see you here OzKaNoz :)

When you say it converts better, what kind of numbers are we talking... 1/400 - 1/800 - 1/1200....?

[Inabon]

i think you can say tgp 2 gave way to todays sponsor hosted galleries it is almost the same concept. the only thing sponsor hosted galleries are made for all kinds of traffic.

tgp 2 mayor problem in my honest opinion was that there were too many anal retentive fuckers and webmasters simply got tired of tigh ass rules when you could build your tgp with hosted galleries and buy the traffic.

:)

[Twilite]

TGP2 is funny in it's own right. By seeing the numbers you think the only way we are making money is if we are making it dishonestly and/or lying about it.

We have started weekly meetings again without all the arguing and such. I have been the Editor for the Weeky Newsletters which is going to start again. Jimmer has put a link to IRC on the TGP2base.com site. We are attempting to have the weekly meetings on thursday, 3:00 est. This time can be adjusted if need be. These meetings will be recorded and stored on http://evolutions.getnoticed.info/

This is all very exciting, for me anyway. You should come in and meet us and if you do, you will see a new contest. OzkaNoz is offering free content to the webmaster who brings in the most signups. We are like a family who helps each other and looks out for one an other.

I still believe in it as it has been tried and true.

Twilite

[gonzo]

They called it cheating back in the day. I agree with Inabon it gave way to FHG's....and the conversion rate on it was very good. Problem was the egos didnt want to have it listed.

The TGP market in past has been dominated by rules and regulations. Remember the Post owner is the one who makes the most money. Your panning for gold inf your submitting galleries haphazardly.

For those of us that made money by recirculating our own traffic.... TGP2 was pretty damn responsible for it.

[OzKaNoz]

The rules for Tgp2 are the friendlest in the industry for gallery posters.
These are the rules for posting to a Tgp2 site. The rules are the same for the Tgp2 Gallery Pool except it has a no recips allowed rule.
Both will be updated to allow for a link to your 2257 stuff. It is allowed right now but the rules don't reflect that.
The rules below are the same rules that have been used for the the past 2 years or so. They have had only a minor update and that was to add movies to the rules.


# Only galleries with 5 thumbs will be accepted. No more, no less.
# Only 1 or 2 movies of 10 to 20 seconds in length, no other linked or unlinked thumbs are allowed on a movie gallery.
# Non-adult free hosting is not acceptable.
# Do not place any link on a gallery to a site that will not accept TGP2 galleries.
# Full size images are strongly preferred to be on HTML and can be made clickable to your sponsor.
# Images should be at least 450 minimum on longest side and free of compression artifacts. Anything less then 400 and your gallery may not get posted.
# No talking ads.
# No entry-exit popups, no onload, on unload or redirect tags.
# No outright misleading links e.g click here for free entry to pay site!! but semi blind Click for Free Porn is fine.
# No other restrictions on advertising with in reason so long as the thumbs on the main page and the full-size pictures can be seen clearly.
# Resubmits will be accepted after 30 days. However, if your gallery is still in our archive it will not be reposted.
# No child porn, bestiality or rape. This is strictly enforced and authorities will be notified.

Here is a link to the code if anyone wants to add the auto updating Tgp2 rules to your sub page.
http://tgp2collective.net/r/tgp2postrules.html

OzKaNoz

[Trev]

I like the idea of not giving away 30 free pics and 10-12 movie clips, giving too much away for free has been one thing that's pissed me off for years.

[Inabon]

Originally posted by OzKaNoz@Jun 4 2005, 02:32 PM
The rules for Tgp2 are the friendlest in the industry for gallery posters.
These are the rules for posting to a Tgp2 site. The rules are the same for the Tgp2 Gallery Pool except it has a no recips allowed rule.
Both will be updated to allow for a link to your 2257 stuff. It is allowed right now but the rules don't reflect that.
The rules below are the same rules that have been used for the the past 2 years or so. They have had only a minor update and that was to add movies to the rules.


# Only galleries with 5 thumbs will be accepted. No more, no less.
# Only 1 or 2 movies of 10 to 20 seconds in length, no other linked or unlinked thumbs are allowed on a movie gallery.
# Non-adult free hosting is not acceptable.
# Do not place any link on a gallery to a site that will not accept TGP2 galleries.
# Full size images are strongly preferred to be on HTML and can be made clickable to your sponsor.
# Images should be at least 450 minimum on longest side and free of compression artifacts. Anything less then 400 and your gallery may not get posted.
# No talking ads.
# No entry-exit popups, no onload, on unload or redirect tags.
# No outright misleading links e.g click here for free entry to pay site!! but semi blind Click for Free Porn is fine.
# No other restrictions on advertising with in reason so long as the thumbs on the main page and the full-size pictures can be seen clearly.
# Resubmits will be accepted after 30 days. However, if your gallery is still in our archive it will not be reposted.
# No child porn, bestiality or rape. This is strictly enforced and authorities will be notified.

Here is a link to the code if anyone wants to add the auto updating Tgp2 rules to your sub page.
http://tgp2collective.net/r/tgp2postrules.html

OzKaNoz
dude you don't have to sell tgp 2 to us we know about it trust me. the rules are on an html page but egos was the problem as gonzo said.

again why take tgp2 galleries from some other fucknut when i can just use sponsor hosted galleries?

don't tell me its the traffic cause yoou have no recips on some of them :)

tgp 2 dont allow cj sites so no traffic there (which is good)

my 2 cents... shit thats like 4 cents already.

[Rolo]

Originally posted by Inabon@Jun 4 2005, 12:02 PM
again why take tgp2 galleries from some other fucknut when i can just use sponsor hosted galleries?
The timing is right for sponsors to offer more optimized galleries, which uses some of the TGP2 rules. I know we are looking into making a new kind of FHG for an upcoming launch. The old days of catering to the lowest tgp business standards will soon be gone ;-)))

[PornoDoggy]

I may not be able to claim that I was involved in TGP2 from the very beginning, but I was an active participant for a long time.

I know for a fact that Oz has worked his ass off for TGP2 for as long as I can remember; considering the number of knife-holes he has in his back from people he's helped along the way, I have to admire him for it.

I found the notion that a 85-90% skim was too much more than a little absurd. The freakin' weekly meetings started up as a result of Oz running with one of my ideas, fer cryin' out loud - and what I remember about them could be used as proof positive that "getting webmasters to work together is like herding cats." Discussions of starting [insert marketing concept here]2 up before TGP2 could fly didn't seem like an approprite use of my time.

The end came for me when there was no place to submit galleries to that would send any traffic (and there was no competition from FHG at the time, because there weren't all that many sponsors that offered them).

An inadequate ROI is the one and only thing that got me out of TGP2 - and I've been mulling some ideas over in my head that might just point me right back there.

[Hell Puppy]

It's always been about volume instead of conversions, even if signups are equal or worse.

Let's say you build a TGP2 to 10,000 visitors a day, and that's not easy as you will find it hard to get volume trades. And you convert at 1:500. You have 20 signups.

Now take a regular TGP with 50,000 visitors a day. Say it converts at 1:2500 (generous for most these days). You have your same 20 signups.

BUT with the latter you have some perception of being a bigger dog. You have better branding. And you have an extra 40,000 visitors a day to do SOMETHING with. Even if you cant get 'em to signup to a paysite, you can do something with 'em.

And never underestimate how stupid newbies are. Few people in this industry really understand numbers and how to really measure what they're doing. And those that do aren't typically submitting to TGPs. If you wanna sell gallery spots for instance, you'll find that with a 50,000 a day site that converts like shit, you can still command more money than the 10,000 a day site with the better conversions. It's the same reason they send their traffic to sponsors who pay $40 per signup.

[BillPMB]

Alot of nicely made points in this thread. :okthumb:

There are so many different roads to take and they all go to different places.

[BellaSeaira]

Hi Im Bella I was just reading the post and it seems to me that most of you aren't questioning the fact that tgp2 works but about big egos and how things work. I think that twilite is right you should go to one of the meeting on thursdays @ 3pm.
Alot has changed for the better and I think you might like what you find out about tgp2. After all what do you lose by giving it a chance ? If you dont like it you dont have to stay, but I am sure you will feel right at home.

BellaSeaira

[Timon]

Originally posted by BellaSeaira@Jun 6 2005, 11:04 PM
After all what do you lose by giving it a chance ?
An hour of your life that you'll never get back? :P