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Aly_AVN
06-03-2005, 01:58 PM
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.xxx Raises More Eyebrows Than Excitement
By: MJ McMahon
Posted: 5:00 pm PDT 6-2-2005
TORONTO - Wednesday’s announcement that the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers has entered into commercial and technical negotiations with ICM Registry for the sponsored Top Level Domain (sTLD) .xxx raised more eyebrows than excitement. If all goes according to schedule, domains in the new sTLD will be available sometime between November 2005 and February 2006.
Although it is being marketed as a way to do away with child pornography and to keep minors away from adult entertainment, not everyone sees it that way. .....
It's LONG... click here for more. (http://www.avnonline.com/index.php?Primary_Navigation=Web_Exclusive_News&Action=View_Article&Content_ID=229056)
Bhelliom
06-03-2005, 02:13 PM
“Any effort made by the government to coerce the use of this will be met by Constitutional litigation by free speech lawyers,” Obenberger continued. “I believe the ghetto-ization of the adult Internet would be the first step towards its extermination. You round up the people you don’t like, you give them an insignia, and then you exterminate them. It’s happened before in other areas of society.”
Did he really relate this to hitlers final solution?
SykkBoy
06-03-2005, 02:32 PM
Originally posted by Bhelliom@Jun 3 2005, 01:14 PM
“Any effort made by the government to coerce the use of this will be met by Constitutional litigation by free speech lawyers,” Obenberger continued. “I believe the ghetto-ization of the adult Internet would be the first step towards its extermination. You round up the people you don’t like, you give them an insignia, and then you exterminate them. It’s happened before in other areas of society.”
Did he really relate this to hitlers final solution?
that's actually a pretty close comparison, IMHO.....
Originally posted by SykkBoy+Jun 3 2005, 10:33 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SykkBoy @ Jun 3 2005, 10:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Bhelliom@Jun 3 2005, 01:14 PM
“Any effort made by the government to coerce the use of this will be met by Constitutional litigation by free speech lawyers,” Obenberger continued. “I believe the ghetto-ization of the adult Internet would be the first step towards its extermination. You round up the people you don’t like, you give them an insignia, and then you exterminate them. It’s happened before in other areas of society.”
Did he really relate this to hitlers final solution?
that's actually a pretty close comparison, IMHO..... [/b][/quote]
I totally agree.
Aly_AVN
06-03-2005, 02:52 PM
A Different Perspective...
FRC Voices Opposition to '.xxx' Domain Name
WASHINGTON, June 3 /PRNewswire/ -- The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) recently announced a plan to create a ".xxx" domain address to house pornographic websites. Patrick Trueman, FRC's senior legal counsel and former chief of the U.S. Department of Justice's Child Exploitation and Obscenity Section, released the following statement expressing strong opposition to ICANN's plan:
"The new domain would do more harm than good. The '.com' domain has been a cash cow for the porn industry and pornographers will not give it up and remove themselves to the '.xxx' domain. Instead, they will populate the '.xxx' domain and perhaps double the number of porn sites available on the Web.
"The '.xxx' domain also cloaks the porn industry with legitimacy. The industry will have a place at the table in developing and maintaining their new property.
"Creating a virtual red light district may also discourage law enforcement from bringing obscenity cases on the notion that the problem is solved."
Patrick Trueman is the author of a newly released FRC pamphlet -- "Dealing with Pornography: A Practical Guide For Protecting Your Family and Your Community." The pamphlet explains actions that the average citizen can take to fight porn in stores, on the internet, and on television. A download of the pamphlet can be found at http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=BC05C01
SOURCE Family Research Council
06/03/2005 11:58 ET
the above post raises a point that i was never clear on. suppose there is a .xxx tld. then what? are all .com, .net, .org, .ws or whatever domains supposed to dissapear? dozens of domains on dozens of tld's should all cease to exist and fight for who gets the .xxx? or will they all continue in addition to the .xxx? either way, i dont understand how it makes sense.
DrGuile
06-03-2005, 03:42 PM
Originally posted by JR@Jun 3 2005, 02:27 PM
the above post raises a point that i was never clear on. suppose there is a .xxx tld. then what? are all .com, .net, .org, .ws or whatever domains supposed to dissapear? dozens of domains on dozens of tld's should all cease to exist and fight for who gets the .xxx? or will they all continue in addition to the .xxx? either way, i dont understand how it makes sense.
Makes perfect sense if you're selling them ;)
grimm
06-03-2005, 04:32 PM
Originally posted by SykkBoy+Jun 3 2005, 10:33 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SykkBoy @ Jun 3 2005, 10:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Bhelliom@Jun 3 2005, 01:14 PM
“Any effort made by the government to coerce the use of this will be met by Constitutional litigation by free speech lawyers,” Obenberger continued. “I believe the ghetto-ization of the adult Internet would be the first step towards its extermination. You round up the people you don’t like, you give them an insignia, and then you exterminate them. It’s happened before in other areas of society.”
Did he really relate this to hitlers final solution?
that's actually a pretty close comparison, IMHO..... [/b][/quote]
except for all the horrendous death, of course.
JR... thats exactly my point.. the other TLDs arent going anywhere, noone is ever going to get away with forcing adult content under a TLD. how do they define adult content, etc...how do they federally regulate obscenity? hell they cant even mandate netnanny in federally funded llibraries and universities, how the hell are they supposed to corral the internet.
wait for the next snake oil salesman to come around with the "offshore host for .xxx domains" LOL. ridiculous.
grimm
06-03-2005, 04:35 PM
Originally posted by DrGuile+Jun 3 2005, 11:43 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DrGuile @ Jun 3 2005, 11:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-JR@Jun 3 2005, 02:27 PM
the above post raises a point that i was never clear on. suppose there is a .xxx tld. then what? are all .com, .net, .org, .ws or whatever domains supposed to dissapear? dozens of domains on dozens of tld's should all cease to exist and fight for who gets the .xxx? or will they all continue in addition to the .xxx? either way, i dont understand how it makes sense.
Makes perfect sense if you're selling them ;) [/b][/quote]
Its up to the consumer and webmaster to call a spade a spade on that one. no matter how they sell it, if they use regulation as a sales tool, its horseshit. it will be easy to smell when its coming.
Wouldn't it just be so much more simple to create a .kids or something like that? Then lazy parents could simply restrict their childrens surfing to those domains. All the Nickelodeons and Disneys of the world could mirror their .coms on these safe sites and not lose a bit of traffic.
Originally posted by *KK*@Jun 3 2005, 09:54 PM
Wouldn't it just be so much more simple to create a .kids or something like that? Then lazy parents could simply restrict their childrens surfing to those domains. All the Nickelodeons and Disneys of the world could mirror their .coms on these safe sites and not lose a bit of traffic.
I'm with that! :okthumb:
Then we could push them into a corner... little fuckers :)
grimm
06-03-2005, 05:18 PM
Originally posted by *KK*@Jun 3 2005, 12:54 PM
Wouldn't it just be so much more simple to create a .kids or something like that? Then lazy parents could simply restrict their childrens surfing to those domains. All the Nickelodeons and Disneys of the world could mirror their .coms on these safe sites and not lose a bit of traffic.
KK... that would make too much sense. the people behind this are not out for the protection of minors, theres no moey in serving the greater.
grimm
06-03-2005, 05:22 PM
err good
Newton
06-03-2005, 05:22 PM
Where do I put my name down for church.xxx or jesuschrist.xxx ?
Originally posted by grimm+Jun 3 2005, 01:19 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (grimm @ Jun 3 2005, 01:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-*KK*@Jun 3 2005, 12:54 PM
Wouldn't it just be so much more simple to create a .kids or something like that? Then lazy parents could simply restrict their childrens surfing to those domains. All the Nickelodeons and Disneys of the world could mirror their .coms on these safe sites and not lose a bit of traffic.
KK... that would make too much sense. the people behind this are not out for the protection of minors, theres no moey in serving the greater. [/b][/quote]
I don't see why there would be no money in it. You could charge $200 bucks to reg .kids domain names and the people targeting that market would still pay it, especially if they knew they'd have completely unrestricted access to their market ;)
gonzo
06-03-2005, 05:34 PM
Originally posted by *KK*+Jun 3 2005, 04:30 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (*KK* @ Jun 3 2005, 04:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by grimm@Jun 3 2005, 01:19 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-*KK*@Jun 3 2005, 12:54 PM
Wouldn't it just be so much more simple to create a .kids or something like that? Then lazy parents could simply restrict their childrens surfing to those domains. All the Nickelodeons and Disneys of the world could mirror their .coms on these safe sites and not lose a bit of traffic.
KK... that would make too much sense. the people behind this are not out for the protection of minors, theres no moey in serving the greater.
I don't see why there would be no money in it. You could charge $200 bucks to reg .kids domain names and the people targeting that market would still pay it, especially if they knew they'd have completely unrestricted access to their market ;) [/b][/quote]
Bow to The Power...
grimm
06-03-2005, 05:37 PM
Originally posted by *KK*+Jun 3 2005, 01:30 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (*KK* @ Jun 3 2005, 01:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by grimm@Jun 3 2005, 01:19 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-*KK*@Jun 3 2005, 12:54 PM
Wouldn't it just be so much more simple to create a .kids or something like that? Then lazy parents could simply restrict their childrens surfing to those domains. All the Nickelodeons and Disneys of the world could mirror their .coms on these safe sites and not lose a bit of traffic.
KK... that would make too much sense. the people behind this are not out for the protection of minors, theres no moey in serving the greater.
I don't see why there would be no money in it. You could charge $200 bucks to reg .kids domain names and the people targeting that market would still pay it, especially if they knew they'd have completely unrestricted access to their market ;) [/b][/quote]
it would be a smaller market, for sure. 200 bucks however, would be a bargain for those marketing just to kids. there is so much money in selling to children that most manufacturers of games, toys, etc would pony it up. but the % market is not there for the margins
Originally posted by Newton@Jun 3 2005, 10:23 PM
Where do I put my name down for church.xxx or jesuschrist.xxx ?
As a catholic lad, I'd say your local priest :blink:
Originally posted by grimm+Jun 3 2005, 12:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (grimm @ Jun 3 2005, 12:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by SykkBoy@Jun 3 2005, 10:33 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Bhelliom@Jun 3 2005, 01:14 PM
“Any effort made by the government to coerce the use of this will be met by Constitutional litigation by free speech lawyers,” Obenberger continued. “I believe the ghetto-ization of the adult Internet would be the first step towards its extermination. You round up the people you don’t like, you give them an insignia, and then you exterminate them. It’s happened before in other areas of society.”
Did he really relate this to hitlers final solution?
that's actually a pretty close comparison, IMHO.....
except for all the horrendous death, of course.
JR... thats exactly my point.. the other TLDs arent going anywhere, noone is ever going to get away with forcing adult content under a TLD. how do they define adult content, etc...how do they federally regulate obscenity? hell they cant even mandate netnanny in federally funded llibraries and universities, how the hell are they supposed to corral the internet.
wait for the next snake oil salesman to come around with the "offshore host for .xxx domains" LOL. ridiculous. [/b][/quote]
do you know what has been discussed when this issue has been raised?
i can't imagine that it did not come up early in the conversation. i remember way back when Seth Warshavsky among other standup members of the adult comunity were testifying to Congress that this would be a good idea. i did not understand it then... but assumed that i must have missed an important point or two.
Originally posted by grimm+Jun 3 2005, 10:38 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (grimm @ Jun 3 2005, 10:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by *KK*@Jun 3 2005, 01:30 PM
Originally posted by grimm@Jun 3 2005, 01:19 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-*KK*@Jun 3 2005, 12:54 PM
Wouldn't it just be so much more simple to create a .kids or something like that? Then lazy parents could simply restrict their childrens surfing to those domains. All the Nickelodeons and Disneys of the world could mirror their .coms on these safe sites and not lose a bit of traffic.
KK... that would make too much sense. the people behind this are not out for the protection of minors, theres no moey in serving the greater.
I don't see why there would be no money in it. You could charge $200 bucks to reg .kids domain names and the people targeting that market would still pay it, especially if they knew they'd have completely unrestricted access to their market ;)
it would be a smaller market, for sure. 200 bucks however, would be a bargain for those marketing just to kids. there is so much money in selling to children that most manufacturers of games, toys, etc would pony it up. but the % market is not there for the margins [/b][/quote]
I’d beg to differ!
If a .kids tld was offered I jump on it, I’ve got three nephews old enough to surf and no matter how hard I try I can’t lock their pc’s up tight enough…
However I do think that companies like Microsoft, Yahoo, Nickelodeon, Disney, Sony, Nintendo, yadda, yadda... would hump the shit out of a .kids tld if it was a recognised way of protecting the children. Then as a parent/uncle I could simply block every other tld, easy done.
Yahoo.kids
Msn.kids
Zone.kids
Google.kids
Game.kids
It makes their job even easier if you ask me!
Originally posted by JR+Jun 3 2005, 11:24 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JR @ Jun 3 2005, 11:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by grimm@Jun 3 2005, 12:33 PM
Originally posted by SykkBoy@Jun 3 2005, 10:33 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Bhelliom@Jun 3 2005, 01:14 PM
“Any effort made by the government to coerce the use of this will be met by Constitutional litigation by free speech lawyers,” Obenberger continued. “I believe the ghetto-ization of the adult Internet would be the first step towards its extermination. You round up the people you don’t like, you give them an insignia, and then you exterminate them. It’s happened before in other areas of society.”
Did he really relate this to hitlers final solution?
that's actually a pretty close comparison, IMHO.....
except for all the horrendous death, of course.
JR... thats exactly my point.. the other TLDs arent going anywhere, noone is ever going to get away with forcing adult content under a TLD. how do they define adult content, etc...how do they federally regulate obscenity? hell they cant even mandate netnanny in federally funded llibraries and universities, how the hell are they supposed to corral the internet.
wait for the next snake oil salesman to come around with the "offshore host for .xxx domains" LOL. ridiculous.
do you know what has been discussed when this issue has been raised?
i can't imagine that it did not come up early in the conversation. i remember way back when Seth Warshavsky among other standup members of the adult comunity were testifying to Congress that this would be a good idea. i did not understand it then... but assumed that i must have missed an important point or two. [/b][/quote]
I can't believe you managed to make this claim "standup members of the adult comunity" :blink:
They only stood out, they wern't stand up!
grimm
06-03-2005, 06:34 PM
Originally posted by Trev+Jun 3 2005, 02:29 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Trev @ Jun 3 2005, 02:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by grimm@Jun 3 2005, 10:38 PM
Originally posted by *KK*@Jun 3 2005, 01:30 PM
Originally posted by grimm@Jun 3 2005, 01:19 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-*KK*@Jun 3 2005, 12:54 PM
Wouldn't it just be so much more simple to create a .kids or something like that? Then lazy parents could simply restrict their childrens surfing to those domains. All the Nickelodeons and Disneys of the world could mirror their .coms on these safe sites and not lose a bit of traffic.
KK... that would make too much sense. the people behind this are not out for the protection of minors, theres no moey in serving the greater.
I don't see why there would be no money in it. You could charge $200 bucks to reg .kids domain names and the people targeting that market would still pay it, especially if they knew they'd have completely unrestricted access to their market ;)
it would be a smaller market, for sure. 200 bucks however, would be a bargain for those marketing just to kids. there is so much money in selling to children that most manufacturers of games, toys, etc would pony it up. but the % market is not there for the margins
I’d beg to differ!
If a .kids tld was offered I jump on it, I’ve got three nephews old enough to surf and no matter how hard I try I can’t lock their pc’s up tight enough…
However I do think that companies like Microsoft, Yahoo, Nickelodeon, Disney, Sony, Nintendo, yadda, yadda... would hump the shit out of a .kids tld if it was a recognised way of protecting the children. Then as a parent/uncle I could simply block every other tld, easy done.
Yahoo.kids
Msn.kids
Zone.kids
Google.kids
Game.kids
It makes their job even easier if you ask me! [/b][/quote]
Trev..im not disagreeing with you. they would sell. But a huge portion of the domain market is for adult oriented sites. a .kids extension would never see the volume comparative to adult .com, .net and .org domains. .kids would most likely not see the vlume of a .xxx domain. without the volume, the margin isnt there to support the costs in starting a .kids TLD for production of childrens content, unless the price point was set out of reason... in which case a vendor would chose acheaper .com over an outrageously expensive .kids. just look at l.tv...
grimm
06-03-2005, 06:39 PM
Originally posted by JR+Jun 3 2005, 02:24 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JR @ Jun 3 2005, 02:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by grimm@Jun 3 2005, 12:33 PM
Originally posted by SykkBoy@Jun 3 2005, 10:33 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Bhelliom@Jun 3 2005, 01:14 PM
“Any effort made by the government to coerce the use of this will be met by Constitutional litigation by free speech lawyers,” Obenberger continued. “I believe the ghetto-ization of the adult Internet would be the first step towards its extermination. You round up the people you don’t like, you give them an insignia, and then you exterminate them. It’s happened before in other areas of society.”
Did he really relate this to hitlers final solution?
that's actually a pretty close comparison, IMHO.....
except for all the horrendous death, of course.
JR... thats exactly my point.. the other TLDs arent going anywhere, noone is ever going to get away with forcing adult content under a TLD. how do they define adult content, etc...how do they federally regulate obscenity? hell they cant even mandate netnanny in federally funded llibraries and universities, how the hell are they supposed to corral the internet.
wait for the next snake oil salesman to come around with the "offshore host for .xxx domains" LOL. ridiculous.
do you know what has been discussed when this issue has been raised?
i can't imagine that it did not come up early in the conversation. i remember way back when Seth Warshavsky among other standup members of the adult comunity were testifying to Congress that this would be a good idea. i did not understand it then... but assumed that i must have missed an important point or two. [/b][/quote]
This has been discussed as far back as i can remember discussion of new TLDs. It has never been met with open arms, which is why it has been scuttled to second tier independent registrars like new.net, which require an alternate DNS on the users PC to even view the site.
an interesting battle is to come for sure when .xxx goes live and previously registered .xxx domains with traffic, from new.net are no longer valid in the eyes of the world. someone could easily register an already "owned" .xxx domain...
Originally posted by grimm+Jun 3 2005, 11:35 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (grimm @ Jun 3 2005, 11:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Trev@Jun 3 2005, 02:29 PM
Originally posted by grimm@Jun 3 2005, 10:38 PM
Originally posted by *KK*@Jun 3 2005, 01:30 PM
Originally posted by grimm@Jun 3 2005, 01:19 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-*KK*@Jun 3 2005, 12:54 PM
Wouldn't it just be so much more simple to create a .kids or something like that? Then lazy parents could simply restrict their childrens surfing to those domains. All the Nickelodeons and Disneys of the world could mirror their .coms on these safe sites and not lose a bit of traffic.
KK... that would make too much sense. the people behind this are not out for the protection of minors, theres no moey in serving the greater.
I don't see why there would be no money in it. You could charge $200 bucks to reg .kids domain names and the people targeting that market would still pay it, especially if they knew they'd have completely unrestricted access to their market ;)
it would be a smaller market, for sure. 200 bucks however, would be a bargain for those marketing just to kids. there is so much money in selling to children that most manufacturers of games, toys, etc would pony it up. but the % market is not there for the margins
I’d beg to differ!
If a .kids tld was offered I jump on it, I’ve got three nephews old enough to surf and no matter how hard I try I can’t lock their pc’s up tight enough…
However I do think that companies like Microsoft, Yahoo, Nickelodeon, Disney, Sony, Nintendo, yadda, yadda... would hump the shit out of a .kids tld if it was a recognised way of protecting the children. Then as a parent/uncle I could simply block every other tld, easy done.
Yahoo.kids
Msn.kids
Zone.kids
Google.kids
Game.kids
It makes their job even easier if you ask me!
Trev..im not disagreeing with you. they would sell. But a huge portion of the domain market is for adult oriented sites. a .kids extension would never see the volume comparative to adult .com, .net and .org domains. .kids would most likely not see the vlume of a .xxx domain. without the volume, the margin isnt there to support the costs in starting a .kids TLD for production of childrens content, unless the price point was set out of reason... in which case a vendor would chose acheaper .com over an outrageously expensive .kids. just look at l.tv... [/b][/quote]
A good point well made.
Then the people dragging the .xxx out should drop the shit!
It's not about the "kids", it's not about "protecting" adult, it's only about the cash.. hey I'm cool with that, it's always about the cash for me but the stink of shit from this makes me want to hurl :angry:
grimm
06-03-2005, 06:52 PM
Originally posted by Trev+Jun 3 2005, 02:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Trev @ Jun 3 2005, 02:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by grimm@Jun 3 2005, 11:35 PM
Originally posted by Trev@Jun 3 2005, 02:29 PM
Originally posted by grimm@Jun 3 2005, 10:38 PM
Originally posted by *KK*@Jun 3 2005, 01:30 PM
Originally posted by grimm@Jun 3 2005, 01:19 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-*KK*@Jun 3 2005, 12:54 PM
Wouldn't it just be so much more simple to create a .kids or something like that? Then lazy parents could simply restrict their childrens surfing to those domains. All the Nickelodeons and Disneys of the world could mirror their .coms on these safe sites and not lose a bit of traffic.
KK... that would make too much sense. the people behind this are not out for the protection of minors, theres no moey in serving the greater.
I don't see why there would be no money in it. You could charge $200 bucks to reg .kids domain names and the people targeting that market would still pay it, especially if they knew they'd have completely unrestricted access to their market ;)
it would be a smaller market, for sure. 200 bucks however, would be a bargain for those marketing just to kids. there is so much money in selling to children that most manufacturers of games, toys, etc would pony it up. but the % market is not there for the margins
I’d beg to differ!
If a .kids tld was offered I jump on it, I’ve got three nephews old enough to surf and no matter how hard I try I can’t lock their pc’s up tight enough…
However I do think that companies like Microsoft, Yahoo, Nickelodeon, Disney, Sony, Nintendo, yadda, yadda... would hump the shit out of a .kids tld if it was a recognised way of protecting the children. Then as a parent/uncle I could simply block every other tld, easy done.
Yahoo.kids
Msn.kids
Zone.kids
Google.kids
Game.kids
It makes their job even easier if you ask me!
Trev..im not disagreeing with you. they would sell. But a huge portion of the domain market is for adult oriented sites. a .kids extension would never see the volume comparative to adult .com, .net and .org domains. .kids would most likely not see the vlume of a .xxx domain. without the volume, the margin isnt there to support the costs in starting a .kids TLD for production of childrens content, unless the price point was set out of reason... in which case a vendor would chose acheaper .com over an outrageously expensive .kids. just look at l.tv...
A good point well made.
Then the people dragging the .xxx out should drop the shit!
It's not about the "kids", it's not about "protecting" adult, it's only about the cash.. hey I'm cool with that, it's always about the cash for me but the stink of shit from this makes me want to hurl :angry: [/b][/quote]
yep, but what better selling point that fear, uncertainty, and lack of knowledge for better solutions. in todays society of v-chips, net nannies, and government attempts to take what kids see and hear out of the hands of parents, where it should be. its not like ccorporate america hasnt caught onto this before. how much duct tape was sold after 9/11? ;)
Originally posted by Trev+Jun 3 2005, 11:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Trev @ Jun 3 2005, 11:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by grimm@Jun 3 2005, 11:35 PM
Originally posted by Trev@Jun 3 2005, 02:29 PM
Originally posted by grimm@Jun 3 2005, 10:38 PM
Originally posted by *KK*@Jun 3 2005, 01:30 PM
Originally posted by grimm@Jun 3 2005, 01:19 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-*KK*@Jun 3 2005, 12:54 PM
Wouldn't it just be so much more simple to create a .kids or something like that? Then lazy parents could simply restrict their childrens surfing to those domains. All the Nickelodeons and Disneys of the world could mirror their .coms on these safe sites and not lose a bit of traffic.
KK... that would make too much sense. the people behind this are not out for the protection of minors, theres no moey in serving the greater.
I don't see why there would be no money in it. You could charge $200 bucks to reg .kids domain names and the people targeting that market would still pay it, especially if they knew they'd have completely unrestricted access to their market ;)
it would be a smaller market, for sure. 200 bucks however, would be a bargain for those marketing just to kids. there is so much money in selling to children that most manufacturers of games, toys, etc would pony it up. but the % market is not there for the margins
I’d beg to differ!
If a .kids tld was offered I jump on it, I’ve got three nephews old enough to surf and no matter how hard I try I can’t lock their pc’s up tight enough…
However I do think that companies like Microsoft, Yahoo, Nickelodeon, Disney, Sony, Nintendo, yadda, yadda... would hump the shit out of a .kids tld if it was a recognised way of protecting the children. Then as a parent/uncle I could simply block every other tld, easy done.
Yahoo.kids
Msn.kids
Zone.kids
Google.kids
Game.kids
It makes their job even easier if you ask me!
Trev..im not disagreeing with you. they would sell. But a huge portion of the domain market is for adult oriented sites. a .kids extension would never see the volume comparative to adult .com, .net and .org domains. .kids would most likely not see the vlume of a .xxx domain. without the volume, the margin isnt there to support the costs in starting a .kids TLD for production of childrens content, unless the price point was set out of reason... in which case a vendor would chose acheaper .com over an outrageously expensive .kids. just look at l.tv...
A good point well made.
Then the people dragging the .xxx out should drop the shit!
It's not about the "kids", it's not about "protecting" adult, it's only about the cash.. hey I'm cool with that, it's always about the cash for me but the stink of shit from this makes me want to hurl :angry: [/b][/quote]
Just had a look at Toni's favorites and mine.. quite freaky compared to what they were 18 months ago... :blink:
Because we work at home and the boy wants to copy what we do, we both have child websites in our favorites, so he can do the playing online thing, this did surprise me:
My pc: Child only links 29 :( (playhouse disney is in there :( )
Toni's pc: Child only links 104 and rising every day.
The market is there if the "protectors" want to "protect"!
Newton
06-03-2005, 08:03 PM
There is already a . kids domain and more http://www.kidsdomains.org/kdi/index.htm
Grump
06-04-2005, 11:41 AM
KK's idea is already doomed. It just reeks of common sense and accomplishing a stated purpose. Doomed.
The anti porn groups are not interested in protecting children. That is just the hot button that the control freaks convienently hide behind while trying to impose their views on what we all should, or should not, be allowed to see, read, watch, etc.
Originally posted by Newton@Jun 4 2005, 01:04 AM
There is already a . kids domain and more http://www.kidsdomains.org/kdi/index.htm
None of the .kids domains are live... and when I read into it further the .kids tld has to end in .new.net. With the plugin it works fine though, but it's still not a valid tld... is it :blink:
Newton
06-04-2005, 01:37 PM
Originally posted by Trev+Jun 4 2005, 07:59 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Trev @ Jun 4 2005, 07:59 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Newton@Jun 4 2005, 01:04 AM
There is already a . kids domain and more http://www.kidsdomains.org/kdi/index.htm
None of the .kids domains are live... and when I read into it further the .kids tld has to end in .new.net. With the plugin it works fine though, but it's still not a valid tld... is it :blink: [/b][/quote]
That weird plugin from new.net get flagged as some sort of tracking shit .. which gets removed thankfully .. so watch when you install it ..
They have a lot of weird domain extensions, I am personally waiting for the .cunt one if that ever come about :)
Originally posted by Newton+Jun 4 2005, 06:38 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Newton @ Jun 4 2005, 06:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Trev@Jun 4 2005, 07:59 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Newton@Jun 4 2005, 01:04 AM
There is already a . kids domain and more http://www.kidsdomains.org/kdi/index.htm
None of the .kids domains are live... and when I read into it further the .kids tld has to end in .new.net. With the plugin it works fine though, but it's still not a valid tld... is it :blink:
That weird plugin from new.net get flagged as some sort of tracking shit .. which gets removed thankfully .. so watch when you install it ..
They have a lot of weird domain extensions, I am personally waiting for the .cunt one if that ever come about :) [/b][/quote]
I'll keep my fingers crossed for the .HOMO tld then :lol:
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