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grimm

06-03-2005, 02:22 PM

Originally posted by Bhelliom@Jun 3 2005, 08:38 AM
"Mandates a 5-year minimum sentence for any person that commits a drug trafficking offense near the presence of a person under 18 or in a place where such person resides for any period of time. The sentence is 10 years if they are parent. (I.e. a mother that sells her neighbor a joint will get a 10-year minimum sentence, even if her kids were at school at the time).
"

Impressive.... minimum 5 yrs just for drugs AROUND someone who is under 18... not that i'm american... i don't know what other mins are anyways...
In Ohio, not only is that a felony, but under asset forfeiture law, both the mothers and the neighbors houses, or cars could be seized, depending on where the act is deemed to have taken place.

Lee

06-03-2005, 02:29 PM

Drugs are, illegal.

This is just enforcing the penalities further.

I see nothing wrong with this personally.

Lets take 'drugs' out of the equation for a second and replace that with 'child porn' is it still a crap law?

RyanLanane

06-03-2005, 02:33 PM

I think these are the types of laws that make America have more problems then other countries. I was watching Farenheit 911 again the other day and it reminded me about the difference between us an Canadiens. Almost made me want to be Canadien as sad as that is. Yes, I do love my country.... But we have some serious problems !!

Life in Prison for 2nd offense of selling Marijuana to someone under 18 if you are over 21? So if i am 22 and sold a dime bag to my brother and got busted with a prior offense I could go away for life for that?

I am off every drug in the book... Hell I don't even drink any more! Given the fact that I don't do any of this any more, I know how bad drugs can fuck up your life, and have had drugs fuck up my life in the worst way possible and I still feel this way about this law makes it all the more demeaning to know that this is in legislation !!

And what the fuck is this? "to give someone a bong as a birthday present" lol

RyanLanane

06-03-2005, 02:38 PM

Originally posted by Lee@Jun 3 2005, 10:30 AM
Drugs are, illegal.

This is just enforcing the penalities further.

I see nothing wrong with this personally.

Lets take 'drugs' out of the equation for a second and replace that with 'child porn' is it still a crap law?

Lee, TY For the CD just got it yesterday and forgot to drop you a PM - I really appreciate that...

However I have to strongly disagree with you, this is a horrible law!!

We already have millions of Americans in Prison for drug related offenses and it is NOT changing a damn thing with our drug epidemic. We should be looking at the countries who don't have huge drug problems and look at what they are doing ? Besides the one that cut your head off or imprison you for life for your first possesion charge (some Asian countries), the countries that are doing well have less stuff penalties then America.

The part that is more disturbing to me then anything is how they are grouping pot into the category along with other serious drugs. I smoked pot for YEARS and it did nothing.... nothing even similar to the SMALLEST changes in my life harder drugs caused. I still don't think even the heavy drugs should carry such harsh penalties personally.

We need a major drug reform act, but this is the exact opposite direction of where things should be going. And if you are thinking I think this so I could use again, that's not why.. Legal or not I would be using if I chose to - This is just how I feel about the situation.

Lee

06-03-2005, 02:45 PM

No probs man glad you got it :)

We already have millions of Americans in Prison for drug related offenses and it is NOT changing a damn thing with our drug epidemic.

Right, they are in prison for breaking the law. If they dont want to be sent to prison, dont break the law, its not rocket science ;)

We should be looking at the countries who don't have huge drug problems and look at what they are doing ? Besides the one that cut your head off or imprison you for life for your first possesion charge (some Asian countries), the countries that are doing well have less stuff penalties then America.

But, on the same note, there are countries that have high drug related crime rates when compared to the US who have less severe penalties too.

As i mentioned above, drugs are illegal, if you dont want to go to prison, dont commit the crime.

I realize these new penalties may seem harsh to some but lets be honest, its going to deter people from commiting drug related offences, instead of a simple slap on the wrist, they get incarcerated again, for breaking the law.

The part that is more disturbing to me then anything is how they are grouping pot into the category along with other serious drugs. I smoked pot for YEARS and it did nothing.... nothing even similar to the SMALLEST changes in my life harder drugs caused. I still don't think even the heavy drugs should carry such harsh penalties personally.

I have been known to partake in the occasional spliff or two myself but, at the same time, i knew i was breaking the law and, had i been caught, i would have had to deal with the consequences, last time i checked, smoking pot was still illegal. They just upped the penalty for breaking that specific law, again, if you dont wanna risk getting caught, dont smoke pot LOL

We need a major drug reform act, but this is the exact opposite direction of where things should be going. And if you are thinking I think this so I could use again, that's not why.. Legal or not I would be using if I chose to - This is just how I feel about the situation.

I agree with you on the reform thing as do my parents (both of whom work for the drug squad in the UK) the realizm of it is though, reform costs a lot more than tightening the current penalities, its not going to happen any time soon.

RyanLanane

06-03-2005, 03:03 PM

This part cried out to me :)

"I agree with you on the reform thing as do my parents (both of whom work for the drug squad in the UK) the realizm of it is though, reform costs a lot more than tightening the current penalities, its not going to happen any time soon."

True Drug Reform in the long run would actually be less expensive than tightening penalties. Do you have any idea how many people in America are in jail for possesion of very small amounts of hard drugs or for Marijuana? The costs for those prisoners is staggering...

I do believe the over 21 to under 18 law is reasonable for hard drugs... But Pot ? Sorry but I don't know of one person who has been able to say "Man that pot shit really fucked up my life" lol

And I agree witht he already being in prison for drug offense statement you made (they broke the law) but if you look on the books there are some damn ridicilous acts that are violating the law in some U.S. cities that date back to the early 1900's lol ... You see them posted time to time as being humourous but they really are laws. Maybe one day we will be able to say it was funyn when pot was illegal.

I guess bottom line my biggest problem is that the U.S. laws tend to group bottom end users and addicts in with the same group of people who deal kilos of hard drugs and transfer tons of marijuana.

The difference between the two is staggering, as should be the penalties. In our current system - This is not the case with our laws and if passed this would narrow the gap between the two even further. It is saying breaking the law is breaking the law it doesn't matter hwo bad you break the law.

Do you know what that type of thinking will cause in hardcore drug addicts? This is the type of thinking it will cause...

"If i'm going to jail for life for a gram of heroin if I get caught again and I am still going to use heroin... Why not just start selling the shit to support my habit since I will get the same penalty"

Therein lies just one of the many problems with this legislation

06-03-2005, 03:12 PM

if you break the law, you go to jail. most people worried about such laws and their implications are those who regularly break them or intend to. that is not societies problem... that is your problem. few are going to sympathize with someone who regularly breaks the law, complaining about the consequences.

the humorous thing and interesting paradox about disscussions on penalties for drug related crimes or the argument for legalization of marijuana is that no one will take your side in the argument for obvious reasons. its like trying to get people to agree that penalties for pedophilia should be litghtened. its not likely to happen. like drug arguments, the majority of people do not want to be associated with either that behavior or those people that defend it. most people are not going to take a public stand on the side of drug users because they dont want to be associated with it. why would they? twisting the argument around by posting crime stats, medical facts or how hemp makes great rope is never going to make the average mother of 3 say "you know what? you're right! i dont care if my kids buy marijuana and smokes it everyday".

as once said by Jack Trout: "in marketing, perception IS the reality" - this is the problem you will always face in your "fight"... and extraneous arguments such as "bush is an asshole" or "the government is coming to get you" have no relation to the common perceptions about marijuana, its use and the perceptions of those who regularly use it.

just my 2 cents.

i really enjoy these conversations because it is a valid discussion and the arguements for the legalization of marijuana are valid. i also admit that when Timon challenged me to prove to him that marijuana was bad, i couldn't. i expected to readily find overwhelming medical evidence and couldn't - which only served to intrigue me more.

that being said, i think that the fight is not about rights, law, medical use etc but about perceptions. and i think that changing the perceptions about the average, daily pot smoker as a slow, lazy, innept slacker is going to be nearly impossible.
... and that is the real battle that should be fought if anyone wants change.

wig

06-03-2005, 03:18 PM

Prohibition does not work anymore than envy avoidance does.

You cannot legislate your way to a Utopian society regardless of what political side you are on.

Sure, we live in a nation of laws and finding the perfect balance of what these laws should be is very difficult, if not futile.

Does not mean that there should be no effort and most certainly means that we should not be surprised when things don't work out as intented.

The only idiots in my book are those that spend all there time trying to tell everyone else why they are right as if they have a patent on the truth.

:stout: :salute: :headwall: :hic: all at once

RyanLanane

06-03-2005, 03:27 PM

Good points JR, I find it very difficult to see anyone who could compare Marijuana usage to being a pedophile - But in some people's minds it is the case so you hit the nail on the head with that one.

Some people ARE lazy as all shit when they smoke pot, I know I was.. lol - I hate the shit now and even though Missy smokes and I constantly see the best damn bud on the planet laying around the house I just don't want the stuff (or any drug for that matter).

However, when she gets high... She cleans, she is antsy.. has to get out of the house and do something. She acts like she is on Coke when she is on Pot, more socialable, more relaxed, more outgoing, and less lazy. Just like every drug it affects everyone differently and always will.

I have NO PROBLEMS with it being illegal for ANY drug to be used by someone under 18 including alchohol even though we all know once you are 18 you most likely are going to drink or have had a drink but I can see the rationale behind the law mini age of 21 law at least...

Someone who gets busted for hard drugs nowadays has a felony on their record.. Even if it is a small amount and they don't necessarily do time. Once they are there, it makes it all the more difficult for them to become a part of modern society. Hell McDonalds frowns on hiring people with past drug offenses, I don't know if they even hite them at all. So you tell me how the hell the addict who got popped is going to get his life back together once he gets out.

This is a veryyyyy debatable subject and I could spend all day on it but I have got some work to do so i gotta get outta here, I'm going to check back on this thread later tonight though.

grimm

06-03-2005, 03:33 PM

grimm

06-03-2005, 03:40 PM

Originally posted by JR@Jun 3 2005, 11:13 AM
if you break the law, you go to jail. most people worried about such laws and their implications are those who regularly break them or intend to. that is not societies problem... that is your problem. few are going to sympathize with someone who regularly breaks the law, complaining about the consequences.

the humorous thing and interesting paradox about disscussions on penalties for drug related crimes or the argument for legalization of marijuana is that no one will take your side in the argument for obvious reasons. its like trying to get people to agree that penalties for pedophilia should be litghtened. its not likely to happen. like drug arguments, the majority of people do not want to be associated with either that behavior or those people that defend it. most people are not going to take a public stand on the side of drug users because they dont want to be associated with it. why would they? twisting the argument around by posting crime stats, medical facts or how hemp makes great rope is never going to make the average mother of 3 say "you know what? you're right! i dont care if my kids buy marijuana and smokes it everyday".

as once said by Jack Trout: "in marketing, perception IS the reality" - this is the problem you will always face in your "fight"... and extraneous arguments such as "bush is an asshole" or "the government is coming to get you" have no relation to the common perceptions about marijuana, its use and the perceptions of those who regularly use it.

just my 2 cents.

i really enjoy these conversations because it is a valid discussion and the arguements for the legalization of marijuana are valid. i also admit that when Timon challenged me to prove to him that marijuana was bad, i couldn't. i expected to readily find overwhelming medical evidence and couldn't - which only served to intrigue me more.

that being said, i think that the fight is not about rights, law, medical use etc but about perceptions. and i think that changing the perceptions about the average, daily pot smoker as a slow, lazy, innept slacker is going to be nearly impossible.
... and that is the real battle that should be fought if anyone wants change.
Anyone who has ever used drugs knows they are breaking the law. if they get caught, the penalites are severe. mandatory minimums are no new thing, three strike laws arent new either. i dont see how federal drug laws are surprising to anyone. Drugs, however much fun they are, are linked directly to crime, abuse, poverty, disease, etc. Whateer the recreational user might think about their use and its effects, they are drowned out by the majority of non recreational users, traffickers and producers. I have no problem with anyone doing drugs as long as it doesnt hurt anyone but themselves. But that is never the case, because somewhere down the line somebody got robbed, hurt or killed in the process of making the product available. so it is far from a victimless crime, even to the casual user. Ive done my share, for sure, but i always knew the possible repurcussions, and even felt them. So i cant understand why people get up in arms about the inevitable drug laws. Granted, it is an ineffective way to fight the crime associated with an addictive substance, but since when has law enforcement even made a dent in activity?

JoesHO

06-03-2005, 03:41 PM

for the record, I do not smokwe weed anymore, havent in 6 months, but I still feel that this a bit overboard, and as far as adding in the other drugs to replace this with. well i strill feel that they should be treated, and not as available, I do not think hammering the user is the way to go about that.

Look at canada and hastings street, for example, or look at amsterdam as another, or australia for tha tmatter, they do not have these problems, or the need to waste valuable resources incarcerating and punishing these people .

I would have to say that having done several drugs personally I can relate to the harm it can do to a person and to society, but this is not the answear.

PornoDoggy

06-03-2005, 09:24 PM

realize these new penalties may seem harsh to some but lets be honest, its going to deter people from commiting drug related offences, instead of a simple slap on the wrist, they get incarcerated again, for breaking the law.

Are you on drugs? It's not going to deter anyone from anything.

I've got a great idea. We need a "Prohibition of Drugs" ammendment to the Constitution.

After all, it worked so well in the past ...

aeon

06-03-2005, 11:21 PM

Originally posted by JoesHO1@Jun 3 2005, 08:38 AM
I especially like the part that makes it a crime not to turn someone in LOL

McCarthy?

what the fuck is going on in the heads of these people?

all in the name of protection eh ?
You dimwitted abortion mishap. It's a crime in most places to witness a felony and not report it. Dealing is a fuckin' felony.

Selling it around kids should mandate a stiffer penalty or do you prefer to buy yer dope while the crackwhore is bouncing her bastard kid off her knee?

There are times I wish I actually agreed with eugenics...oh do I wish.

JoesHO

06-03-2005, 11:23 PM

Originally posted by aeon+Jun 3 2005, 07:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (aeon @ Jun 3 2005, 07:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-JoesHO1@Jun 3 2005, 08:38 AM
I especially like the part that makes it a crime not to turn someone in LOL

McCarthy?

what the fuck is going on in the heads of these people?

all in the name of protection eh ?
You dimwitted abortion mishap. It's a crime in most places to witness a felony and not report it. Dealing is a fuckin' felony.

Selling it around kids should mandate a stiffer penalty or do you prefer to buy yer dope while the crackwhore is bouncing her bastard kid off her knee?

There are times I wish I actually agreed with eugenics...oh do I wish. [/b][/quote]
you are a fool, always were always will be .

aeon

06-03-2005, 11:29 PM

Originally posted by JoesHO1+Jun 3 2005, 07:24 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JoesHO1 @ Jun 3 2005, 07:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by aeon@Jun 3 2005, 07:22 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-JoesHO1@Jun 3 2005, 08:38 AM
I especially like the part that makes it a crime not to turn someone in LOL

McCarthy?

what the fuck is going on in the heads of these people?

all in the name of protection eh ?
You dimwitted abortion mishap. It's a crime in most places to witness a felony and not report it. Dealing is a fuckin' felony.

Selling it around kids should mandate a stiffer penalty or do you prefer to buy yer dope while the crackwhore is bouncing her bastard kid off her knee?

There are times I wish I actually agreed with eugenics...oh do I wish.
you are a fool, always were always will be .[/b][/quote]
I've gotta wonder now - and you even arguing this forces anyone in their right mind to wonder...how many times have you bought and sold dope around kids? What kinda human piece of shit does that or would even defend it? How low in the gutter can you get than to buy your dope while kids are around or even support those that do...that reaches a level of white trash few can surpass. That's the absolute bottom of humanity. The only lower you can get is peddling kids out for blowjobs.

How many times have you fired up around kids...don't bullshit me. You can lie to these fuckwads but I've been there and see dweebs like you - I've known too many stoners.

You should be slowly tortured and then shot in public.

iknowalttl

06-03-2005, 11:59 PM

I think that is so fucked up... For the most part, the only harm a pothead does is to them self if any... the majority of the problems caused is from the fact that pot is illegal and it takes a black market to distribute it... and that is not going to change because to many high up people will lose mega money that goes with the black marketing. The cost to lock a harmless pothead up for every tax payer is fucking crazy and that money could be far better utilized elsewhere. It is the tax payer that bears the cost for protecting ourselves from the harmless... Now theres a laugh...

As far as harder drugs are concerned, I think the laws should be very different than they are. If someone wants to stick needles in thier arm, smoke a crack pipe, or snort all thier worldly possessions up thier noses, I say let them... Give them access to the drugs legally and a regulated zoned area where they can really fuck their lives up, if thats what they want to do, away from the general public and then impose punishment for being out of desinated areas. The cost to keep a confined area policed would be far less than it is to fight the drug war the way they are doing it now and could be funded directly from the drugs.

We could take a small portion of the money that we would save from housing the would be prisoners and the savings from policing the drug blackmarket and build some of the best rehab available for those who make a bad decission and want to change. There would be some major money left over that could do some really great things to benefit many people...

I wonder how many of our elder folks out there that can't afford needed medications could get what they needed from the $30K it takes to house just one prisoner for just one year that never hurt anyone... I wonder how much of our tax money is spent at the hospital fixing up people for deals going bad when the cops show up... I wonder how much of our tax money goes to medical care of these locked up people... Since it's my tax money being spent, I would be much happier to see some 80 year old that was not able to provide for themselves getting the medical attention they needed than I would to see some young buck that can work harder and longer than I get it. Heck, these people get what ever medical services they needed from my (and yours) tax money while I had no medical insurance of my own for many years. There are so many of us paying to take care these people after we have paid to remove them from the public that can't afford to fulfill our own medical needs... Isn't that really fucked up bigtime... I could go on as I am sure many others could too but to what point...

Just a bit of MHO...

JoesHO

06-04-2005, 10:59 AM

Originally posted by aeon+Jun 3 2005, 07:30 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (aeon @ Jun 3 2005, 07:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by JoesHO1@Jun 3 2005, 07:24 PM
Originally posted by aeon@Jun 3 2005, 07:22 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-JoesHO1@Jun 3 2005, 08:38 AM
I especially like the part that makes it a crime not to turn someone in LOL

McCarthy?

what the fuck is going on in the heads of these people?

all in the name of protection eh ?
You dimwitted abortion mishap. It's a crime in most places to witness a felony and not report it. Dealing is a fuckin' felony.

Selling it around kids should mandate a stiffer penalty or do you prefer to buy yer dope while the crackwhore is bouncing her bastard kid off her knee?

There are times I wish I actually agreed with eugenics...oh do I wish.
you are a fool, always were always will be .
I've gotta wonder now - and you even arguing this forces anyone in their right mind to wonder...how many times have you bought and sold dope around kids? What kinda human piece of shit does that or would even defend it? How low in the gutter can you get than to buy your dope while kids are around or even support those that do...that reaches a level of white trash few can surpass. That's the absolute bottom of humanity. The only lower you can get is peddling kids out for blowjobs.

How many times have you fired up around kids...don't bullshit me. You can lie to these fuckwads but I've been there and see dweebs like you - I've known too many stoners.

You should be slowly tortured and then shot in public. [/b][/quote]
Never, is the answear dickhead.

once again you are extremely confused, and trying ( whatever that big word Serge used on Mike AI was ) to change the argument.

I do not think it is right to allow drugs to be sold around or to kids, in fact I believe there are laws already on the books for this is there not?

My statements are involving the heavy hand of government intervention stating how people are allowed to live their lives,

My specific problem is the McCarthy like tactics that are emulated in this wording.

Human Nature can not be altered or controlled through regulations, but the downfall of societtys can!

Read a history book , you babbling fucking pice of shit.

PornoDoggy

06-04-2005, 12:59 PM

Originally posted by aeon@Jun 3 2005, 10:30 PM
I've gotta wonder now - and you even arguing this forces anyone in their right mind to wonder...how many times have you bought and sold dope around kids? What kinda human piece of shit does that or would even defend it? How low in the gutter can you get than to buy your dope while kids are around or even support those that do...that reaches a level of white trash few can surpass. That's the absolute bottom of humanity. The only lower you can get is peddling kids out for blowjobs.

How many times have you fired up around kids...don't bullshit me. You can lie to these fuckwads but I've been there and see dweebs like you - I've known too many stoners.

You should be slowly tortured and then shot in public.
So very, very bitter ...

Somebody's mommy and daddy used to bogart the stash, huh?

Timon

06-04-2005, 11:50 PM

Just curious, who is Tomin?

aeon

06-05-2005, 12:29 AM

Originally posted by JoesHO1@Jun 4 2005, 07:00 AM
once again you are extremely confused, and trying ( whatever that big word Serge used on Mike AI was ) to change the argument.
^^^ classic

aeon

06-05-2005, 12:37 AM

Originally posted by PornoDoggy+Jun 4 2005, 09:00 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PornoDoggy @ Jun 4 2005, 09:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-aeon@Jun 3 2005, 10:30 PM
I've gotta wonder now - and you even arguing this forces anyone in their right mind to wonder...how many times have you bought and sold dope around kids? What kinda human piece of shit does that or would even defend it? How low in the gutter can you get than to buy your dope while kids are around or even support those that do...that reaches a level of white trash few can surpass. That's the absolute bottom of humanity. The only lower you can get is peddling kids out for blowjobs.

How many times have you fired up around kids...don't bullshit me. You can lie to these fuckwads but I've been there and see dweebs like you - I've known too many stoners.

You should be slowly tortured and then shot in public.
So very, very bitter ...

Somebody's mommy and daddy used to bogart the stash, huh?[/b][/quote]
There's nothing bitter about it you washed up old hippy faggot. Wanting to see people like you be publicly drawn and quartered has nothing to do with hostility. Rather, it's like the anticipation one feels for birthday presents - a deep desire that the gift you’re hoping for happens to be granted.

It’s joy...at the visions of you hanging from trees with your innards dangling on the ground while the masses cheer at the brutality of your death. That’s not anger - it’s pleasure.

PornoDoggy

06-05-2005, 12:39 AM

Originally posted by aeon+Jun 4 2005, 11:38 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (aeon @ Jun 4 2005, 11:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Jun 4 2005, 09:00 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-aeon@Jun 3 2005, 10:30 PM
I've gotta wonder now - and you even arguing this forces anyone in their right mind to wonder...how many times have you bought and sold dope around kids? What kinda human piece of shit does that or would even defend it? How low in the gutter can you get than to buy your dope while kids are around or even support those that do...that reaches a level of white trash few can surpass. That's the absolute bottom of humanity. The only lower you can get is peddling kids out for blowjobs.

How many times have you fired up around kids...don't bullshit me. You can lie to these fuckwads but I've been there and see dweebs like you - I've known too many stoners.

You should be slowly tortured and then shot in public.
So very, very bitter ...

Somebody's mommy and daddy used to bogart the stash, huh?
There's nothing bitter about it you washed up old hippy faggot. Wanting to see people like you be publicly drawn and quartered has nothing to do with hostility. Rather, it's like the anticipation one feels for birthday presents - a deep desire that the gift you’re hoping for happens to be granted.

It’s joy...at the visions of you hanging from trees with your innards dangling on the ground while the masses cheer at the brutality of your death. That’s not anger - it’s pleasure. [/b][/quote]
Off your ritilan again, huh?

aeon

06-05-2005, 12:47 AM

Originally posted by PornoDoggy+Jun 4 2005, 08:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PornoDoggy @ Jun 4 2005, 08:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by aeon@Jun 4 2005, 11:38 PM
Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Jun 4 2005, 09:00 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-aeon@Jun 3 2005, 10:30 PM
I've gotta wonder now - and you even arguing this forces anyone in their right mind to wonder...how many times have you bought and sold dope around kids? What kinda human piece of shit does that or would even defend it? How low in the gutter can you get than to buy your dope while kids are around or even support those that do...that reaches a level of white trash few can surpass. That's the absolute bottom of humanity. The only lower you can get is peddling kids out for blowjobs.

How many times have you fired up around kids...don't bullshit me. You can lie to these fuckwads but I've been there and see dweebs like you - I've known too many stoners.

You should be slowly tortured and then shot in public.
So very, very bitter ...

Somebody's mommy and daddy used to bogart the stash, huh?
There's nothing bitter about it you washed up old hippy faggot. Wanting to see people like you be publicly drawn and quartered has nothing to do with hostility. Rather, it's like the anticipation one feels for birthday presents - a deep desire that the gift you’re hoping for happens to be granted.

It’s joy...at the visions of you hanging from trees with your innards dangling on the ground while the masses cheer at the brutality of your death. That’s not anger - it’s pleasure.
Off your ritilan again, huh?[/b][/quote]
I take it the innards hanging out part you didn't like?

I'm not hyperactive...for fuck's sake dipshit, if you're gonna try and use drugs to imply something negative at least reference the appropriate ones.

Timon

06-05-2005, 12:54 AM

OK I think this thread officially makes aeon the second angriest little fucker in the United States, right after Dean Howard ;-))

aeon

06-05-2005, 01:01 AM

Originally posted by Timon@Jun 4 2005, 08:55 PM
OK I think this thread officially makes aeon the second angriest little fucker in the United States, right after Dean Howard ;-))
It's cute. You think someone actually gets angry over an internet message board.

I still want you to die tho...that's not anger - it's hope.

PornoDoggy

06-05-2005, 01:02 AM

Originally posted by aeon@Jun 4 2005, 11:48 PM
Off your ritilan again, huh?
I take it the innards hanging out part you didn't like?

I'm not hyperactive...for fuck's sake dipshit, if you're gonna use try and use drugs to imply something negative at least reference the appropriate ones. [/quote]
I gave the "guts hanging out" remark about as much thought as I gave Labret's desire to shoot me in the head when the revolution comes.

The ritilan remark had more to do with the maturity level normally associated with the amount of overcompensation in your posts when you're in one of your manic phases, or when the moon is in the 7th house ...

I'm not familiar enough with the latest pharmacological treatments for your condition, although I think either increasing the voltage or use of a low-speed Black and Decker drill with a dull bit would be most appropriate.

Seems to me that Valium would have helped that dash ...

BTW - most self-respecting gay people I know get upset when I am called a faggot. Has something to do with my taste in clothing and a complete failure to grasp the rudimentary elements of accessorization ...

PornoDoggy

06-05-2005, 01:04 AM

Originally posted by Timon@Jun 4 2005, 10:51 PM
Just curious, who is Tomin?
I think he's the guy with his finger in the dyke that uses bigger words than Serge uses on Mike AI.

BTW ... the dyke is really pissed.

Timon

06-05-2005, 01:13 AM

aeon

you're not interesting, you're not charming, you're not funny, you're not able to participate in any discussion without wishing people dead...

you've never said anything clever, you've never contributed anything, you've never said anything remotely useful or at least amusing...

you've never achieved anything in this business, you know nothing about this business, you have nothing to say about this business...

have you ever actually owned an adult website?

what on earth are you doing here?

are you one of those little angry guys who comes here to say stuff he's too scared to tell people in real life?

are you just some surfer who posts here because any other board would ban you after your first post?

Or is it something else, seriously I'd like to know :)

Timon

06-05-2005, 01:15 AM

Originally posted by PornoDoggy+Jun 5 2005, 12:05 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PornoDoggy @ Jun 5 2005, 12:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Timon@Jun 4 2005, 10:51 PM
Just curious, who is Tomin?
I think he's the guy with his finger in the dyke that uses bigger words than Serge uses on Mike AI. [/b][/quote]
Can't be me, the most difficult word I know is homosexual

aeon

06-05-2005, 01:18 AM

Originally posted by PornoDoggy,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PornoDoggy,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> The ritilan remark had more to do with the maturity level normally associated with the amount of overcompensation in your posts when you're in one of your manic phases, or when the moon is in the 7th house ...
[/b]It would be much more pleasant to hear of you being stuck in some gook prison camp defending our freedom's with rats crawling all over you.

Shooting you in the head demands compassion. I’d rather you die slowly while hiding a flag up your ass.
Originally posted by PornoDoggy,@

I'm not familiar enough with the latest pharmacological treatments for your condition,
Talking about shit you know nothing of seems to be common with you...just like you and those ancient wiccans you spout off about.
<!--QuoteBegin-PornoDoggy,
BTW - most self-respecting gay people I know get upset when I am called a faggot. Has something to do with my taste in clothing and a complete failure to grasp the rudimentary elements of accessorization ...[/quote]
So you’re a faggot with bad taste. Liberace should be your hero. I’m happy for you...you and brother George can accessorize together.

This has nil to do with the fact that anyone who sells/buys or does drugs around kids should have their intestines removed in full public view.

aeon

06-05-2005, 01:22 AM

Originally posted by Timon+Jun 4 2005, 09:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Timon @ Jun 4 2005, 09:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Jun 5 2005, 12:05 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Timon@Jun 4 2005, 10:51 PM
Just curious, who is Tomin?
I think he's the guy with his finger in the dyke that uses bigger words than Serge uses on Mike AI.
Can't be me, the most difficult word I know is homosexual[/b][/quote]
That's called denial faggot.

Timon

06-05-2005, 01:23 AM

I bet aeon is now hunched over his keyboard with two fingers on each temple going "I wish cancer on PD, I wish cancer on PD, I wish cancer on PD" ;-))

aeon

06-05-2005, 01:30 AM

Originally posted by Timon@Jun 4 2005, 09:24 PM
I bet aeon is now hunched over his keyboard with two fingers on each temple going "I wish cancer on PD, I wish cancer on PD, I wish cancer on PD" ;-))
Not exactly:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/UN/over_fir.jpg

Timon

06-05-2005, 01:30 AM

Every millionaire I know smoked pot as a teenager, and many of them still smoked pot while they made their fortune so it can't be all bad ;-)

aeon are you a millionaire? ;-))

Timon

06-05-2005, 01:33 AM

yeah yeah yeah we're all very shocked :zzz:

now try something interesting :okthumb:

aeon

06-05-2005, 01:40 AM

Originally posted by Timon@Jun 4 2005, 09:31 PM
Every millionaire I know smoked pot as a teenager, and many of them still smoked pot while they made their fortune so it can't be all bad ;-)

aeon are you a millionaire? ;-))
Absofuckinlutely not. In no way do I come close to even making 6 figures in this. I never have and I never will. You had to make a few million with pop ups tho right...I mean yer the pop up dude? The IRS doesn't have a sense of humor slappy.

www.irs.gov <---- are you?

You think it's OK to give kids drugs. You should just say it and get it over with.

Timon

06-05-2005, 01:42 AM

Fuck the IRS with a fist up their ass ;-)

Yes I think all teenagers should smoke pot, I mean you didn't and look what happened to you ;-))

PornoDoggy

06-05-2005, 01:43 AM

If it makes you feel better to call me a faggot, feel free to do so. I also wear glasses, so you can call me a four-eyed hippy faggot if you want.

I don't advocate selling drugs to children, or selling drugs around children, or doing drugs in front of children.

I know plenty of parents, however, who've smoked plenty of pot and raised perfectly normal kids.

There is a certain segment of society that could remain completely drug and alcohol free from the time of conception until their kids left the trailer and Junior would STILL do his television debut on Cops or America's Most Wanted. I guaran-goddam-tee you that the majority of idiots who claim that drugs made them bad parents would have found something else to make them just as bad.

The proposed legislation is fucking idiotic. Anyone who thinks it will do a fucking thing to "protect the children" or stem the drug problem in the United States hasn't got the brains required to walk and chew gum at the same time. This is legislation more appropriate to the Taliban, not the U.S. House of Representatives - although I've long felt that the Republican majority in that institution have a lot more in common with the Mullahs than they like to admit.

There is something oddly amusing, however, about a bunch of pornographers who don't see a problem with laws like this ... because the majority of the people who would back such legislation would consider us the equal, if not even worse than, dope pushers.

aeon

06-05-2005, 01:44 AM

Originally posted by Timon@Jun 4 2005, 09:31 PM
Every millionaire I know smoked pot as a teenager, and many of them still smoked pot while they made their fortune so it can't be all bad ;-)

aeon are you a millionaire? ;-))
Let's just quote this you fucked up piece of white trash...

For posterity so to speak. I know all you stoner millionaire’s pay all your taxes while giving weed to kids.

PornoDoggy

06-05-2005, 01:46 AM

Originally posted by aeon@Jun 5 2005, 12:41 AM
You think it's OK to give kids drugs. You should just say it and get it over with.
Fuck, no ... let the little bastards get a job and buy 'em like everybody else.

Timon

06-05-2005, 01:46 AM

Hey pot is legal in my country and I have no beef with our local revenue department so I don't know what point you're trying to make ;-)

Timon

06-05-2005, 01:48 AM

Originally posted by PornoDoggy+Jun 5 2005, 12:47 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PornoDoggy @ Jun 5 2005, 12:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-aeon@Jun 5 2005, 12:41 AM
You think it's OK to give kids drugs. You should just say it and get it over with.
Fuck, no ... let the little bastards get a job and buy 'em like everybody else. [/b][/quote]
That's a good point, they should work for them :okthumb:

aeon

06-05-2005, 01:51 AM

Originally posted by Timon@Jun 4 2005, 09:47 PM
Hey pot is legal in my country and I have no beef with our local revenue department so I don't know what point you're trying to make ;-)
I say smoke away then...give them heroin. The more of you that die the happier I get. If pot's legal in your country, I'd imagine beast is too - wanna go in together and get some crackwhores to blow off a few horses?

Beast converts ya know. There's more than a few people that made millions in beast. Didn't seem to do them any harm either.

Timon

06-05-2005, 01:56 AM

Last month use of cannabis (marijuana) by high school seniors:
18.1% in the Netherlands (1996);
23.7% in the U.S. (1997).
(Sources: The Trimbos Institute, Amsterdam, the Netherlands; Monitoring the Future Survey, University of Michigan and White House Office of National Drug Control Policy)

Any lifetime use (prevalence) of cannabis by older teens (1994):
30% in the Netherlands;
38% in the U.S.
(Sources: Center for Drug Research, University of Amsterdam; Monitoring the Future Survey, University of Michigan and White House Office of National Drug Control Policy)

Recent (last month) use of cannabis by 15 year olds (in 1995):
15% in the Netherlands;
16% in the U.S.;
24% in the U.K.
(Sources: Trimbos Institute, Amsterdam, the Netherlands; Monitoring the Future Survey, University of Michigan and White House Office of National Drug Control Policy; Council of Europe, ESPAD Report)

Any lifetime use of cannabis by 15 year olds (in 1995):
29% in the Netherlands;
34% in the U.S.;
41% in the U.K.
(Sources: Netherlands Institute of Health and Addiction, U.S. National Institute for Drug Abuse; Council of Europe, ESPAD Report)

Heroine addicts as a percentage of population (in 1995):
160 per 100,000 in the Netherlands;
430 per 100,000 in the U.S.
(Sources: Netherlands Ministry of Health, Welfare and Sport;
White House Office of National Drug Control Policy)

Murder rate as a percentage of population (in 1996):
1.8 per 100,000 in the Netherlands;
8.22 in the U.S.
(Sources: Netherlands Bureau of Statistics; White House Office of National Drug Control Policy)

Incarceration rate as a percentage of population (1997):
73 per 100,000 in the Netherlands;
645 per 100,000 in the U.S.
(Sources: Netherlands Ministry of Justice; White House Office of National Drug Control Strategy)

Crime-related deaths as a percentage of population:
1.2 per 100,000 in the Netherlands (1994);
8.2 per 100,000 in the U.S. (1995).
(Sources: World Health Organization; Uniform Crime Reports, U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation)

Per capita spending on drug-related law enforcement:
$27 per capita in the Netherlands;
$81 per capita in the U.S.
(Sources: Netherlands Ministry of Justice; White House Office of National Drug Control Strategy)

Timon

06-05-2005, 01:57 AM

legislate, prosecute and incarcerate as much as you want, it doesn't make a fucking difference.

aeon

06-05-2005, 02:00 AM

Originally posted by Timon@Jun 4 2005, 09:58 PM
legislate, prosecute and incarcerate as much as you want, it doesn't make a fucking difference.
But beast is totally legal in the netherlands along with weed...what's yer fuckin' problem? It's legal - hell, I'll put up the cash to get the content.

There's nothing "wrong" about it. People involved in beast have made millions. You wanna make millions or not?

Timon

06-05-2005, 02:02 AM

Originally posted by aeon+Jun 5 2005, 01:01 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (aeon @ Jun 5 2005, 01:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Timon@Jun 4 2005, 09:58 PM
legislate, prosecute and incarcerate as much as you want, it doesn't make a fucking difference.
But beast is totally legal in the netherlands along with weed...what's yer fuckin' problem? It's legal - hell, I'll put up the cash to get the content.

There's nothing "wrong" about it. People involved in beast have made millions. You wanna make millions or not? [/b][/quote]
I'm sorry, I'm a little slow this morning...

What's your point and how does this apply to the discussion?

aeon

06-05-2005, 02:05 AM

Originally posted by Timon+Jun 4 2005, 10:03 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Timon @ Jun 4 2005, 10:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by aeon@Jun 5 2005, 01:01 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Timon@Jun 4 2005, 09:58 PM
legislate, prosecute and incarcerate as much as you want, it doesn't make a fucking difference.
But beast is totally legal in the netherlands along with weed...what's yer fuckin' problem? It's legal - hell, I'll put up the cash to get the content.

There's nothing "wrong" about it. People involved in beast have made millions. You wanna make millions or not?
I'm sorry, I'm a little slow this morning...

What's your point and how does this apply to the discussion?[/b][/quote]
I take it you don't wanna make millions if it involves something you don't agree with...have some fuckin' coffee and figure it out for yourself.

Timon

06-05-2005, 02:13 AM

I don't think you can make millions with a beast site, if you think you can I think you lack knowledge on the current state of the industry.

I still don't get your point...? :blink:

JoesHO

06-05-2005, 02:42 AM

Originally posted by aeon+Jun 4 2005, 10:01 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (aeon @ Jun 4 2005, 10:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Timon@Jun 4 2005, 09:58 PM
legislate, prosecute and incarcerate as much as you want, it doesn't make a fucking difference.
But beast is totally legal in the netherlands along with weed...what's yer fuckin' problem? It's legal - hell, I'll put up the cash to get the content.

There's nothing "wrong" about it. People involved in beast have made millions. You wanna make millions or not? [/b][/quote]
non sequitor

Trev

06-05-2005, 05:41 AM

This thread would be funny if it wasn’t so clear that aeon has some major schizophrenic issues… :blink:

You're the only poster I've read with more hate in you than cuntfucy <_<

Timon

06-05-2005, 06:15 AM

Originally posted by Trev@Jun 5 2005, 04:42 AM
You're the only poster I've read with more hate in you than cuntfucy <_<
He has to be the angriest little dude on the planet, he should try smoking some pot, maybe it will calm him down and stop wishing people dead :P

He's a pretty sad little character actually <_<

Trev

06-05-2005, 07:30 AM

Originally posted by Timon+Jun 5 2005, 11:16 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Timon @ Jun 5 2005, 11:16 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Trev@Jun 5 2005, 04:42 AM
You're the only poster I've read with more hate in you than cuntfucy <_<
He has to be the angriest little dude on the planet, he should try smoking some pot, maybe it will calm him down and stop wishing people dead :P

He's a pretty sad little character actually <_< [/b][/quote]
So true :okthumb:

Nickatilynx

06-05-2005, 10:59 AM

aeon, you got beat , bad LOL

aeon

06-07-2005, 04:07 PM

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jun 5 2005, 07:00 AM
aeon, you got beat , bad LOL
Yup...not one of my finer digital moments. Pissing when you're bored and trying to force it doesn't work.

Ah well, I'll rape most of these fuckwits another time.

RyanLanane

06-07-2005, 07:10 PM

Originally posted by aeon+Jun 4 2005, 08:38 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (aeon @ Jun 4 2005, 08:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Jun 4 2005, 09:00 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-aeon@Jun 3 2005, 10:30 PM
I've gotta wonder now - and you even arguing this forces anyone in their right mind to wonder...how many times have you bought and sold dope around kids? What kinda human piece of shit does that or would even defend it? How low in the gutter can you get than to buy your dope while kids are around or even support those that do...that reaches a level of white trash few can surpass. That's the absolute bottom of humanity. The only lower you can get is peddling kids out for blowjobs.

How many times have you fired up around kids...don't bullshit me. You can lie to these fuckwads but I've been there and see dweebs like you - I've known too many stoners.

You should be slowly tortured and then shot in public.
So very, very bitter ...

Somebody's mommy and daddy used to bogart the stash, huh?
There's nothing bitter about it you washed up old hippy faggot. Wanting to see people like you be publicly drawn and quartered has nothing to do with hostility. Rather, it's like the anticipation one feels for birthday presents - a deep desire that the gift you’re hoping for happens to be granted.

It’s joy...at the visions of you hanging from trees with your innards dangling on the ground while the masses cheer at the brutality of your death. That’s not anger - it’s pleasure. [/b][/quote]

Clarice......