"Deepthroat" Mark Felt- Hero or Rat?

[TheEnforcer]

So, what do you folks think? Was he a hero for exposing Nixon given that he had the Attorney general and many others in the government willing to do just about anything to cover up Nixons crimes or was he obligated to resign and then try and tell about what he knew and hope for the best that he could weather the inevitable attacks on him and his family and attempts by the admin to shut him up?

[JoesHO]

Hero

[PornoDoggy]

Since I only had two choices, I've gotta go with hero - but he was some of both.

He was, after all, a pooh-bah in Hoover's FBI. As such, he was undoubtedly involved in activites every bit as onerous as anything the Plumbers got around to bungling, and probably was doing so long before Hunt and Liddy were wasting tax dollars in the CIA.

It was a fucked up time in American history. The CIA was illegally operating in the United States. The FBI was spying on Americans based on petitions they had signed 30 years before, had voted for a Democrat for Junior High Class Treasurer, or because they were uppity enough to think that the 14th Ammendment to the U.S. Constitution was worth a little more than than the paper it was printed on. The fucking Joint Chiefs of Staff were caught spying on the President and his National Security Adviser, when they weren't killing off 130% of the forces the Viet Cong and NVA committed to a battle. The Vice President of the United States was taking bribes in the White House like some kinda half-wit Central Casting reject for a part playing a crooked politician. Corporations were paying campaign contribution cash to have foreign governments overthrown.

[Steady]

Rat!

Felt had a grudge :angry: He was second in comand, he should gone to his boss first,
instead he made the decision to expose Nixon.

[TheEnforcer]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Jun 2 2005, 10:46 AM
Since I only had two choices, I've gotta go with hero - but he was some of both.

He was, after all, a pooh-bah in Hoover's FBI. As such, he was undoubtedly involved in activites every bit as onerous as anything the Plumbers got around to bungling, and probably was doing so long before Hunt and Liddy were wasting tax dollars in the CIA.

It was a fucked up time in American history. The CIA was illegally operating in the United States. The FBI was spying on Americans based on petitions they had signed 30 years before, had voted for a Democrat for Junior High Class Treasurer, or because they were uppity enough to think that the 14th Ammendment to the U.S. Constitution was worth a little more than than the paper it was printed on. The fucking Joint Chiefs of Staff were caught spying on the President and his National Security Adviser, when they weren't killing off 130% of the forces the Viet Cong and NVA committed to a battle. The Vice President of the United States was taking bribes in the White House like some kinda half-wit Central Casting reject for a part playing a crooked politician. Corporations were paying campaign contribution cash to have foreign governments overthrown.
The 60's and early 70's were certainly an interesting time to be sure.

[Almighty Colin]

Hero





















Don't hold it against me, Vick!

[sextoyking]

Hero for being a whistle blower back then.

Well said PD in your post. It was a bad time....

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by Steady@Jun 2 2005, 10:56 AM
Rat!

Felt had a grudge :angry: He was second in comand, he should gone to his boss first,
instead he made the decision to expose Nixon.
His boss, who was appointed by ....

Nixon.

Gimme a fucking break.

[Steady]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy+Jun 2 2005, 10:29 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PornoDoggy @ Jun 2 2005, 10:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Steady@Jun 2 2005, 10:56 AM
Rat!

Felt had a grudge :angry: He was second in comand, he should gone to his boss first,
instead he made the decision to expose Nixon.
His boss, who was appointed by ....

Nixon.

Gimme a fucking break.[/b][/quote]
Read the post...I said he was second in command.

"L. Patrick Grey as Director of the FBI. Grey was a political hack who would do Nixon's bidding. Mark Felt as the No. 2 man in the FBI and the top career FBI man, was loyal to Mr. Hoover's legacy and to the FBI. However, unlike Mr. Hoover, Mark Felt did not have the position, popularity or political power to just tell Nixon "no." Nixon controlled the Justice Department and, thus, presentations to grand juries. Further, at least one FBI official had been transferred out of the Washington, D.C. office when he tried to go through “proper channels” in protesting the administration’s interference in the Watergate investigation. Lacking other means, Mark Felt simply did what he had to do to keep Nixon from misusing the FBI."

Yes, his boss was appointed by Nixion...Felt was not. If Felt had gone to his boss, who
was appointed by Nixion, Watergate would not even exist today in the books.

Felt had no power, he was determin to take Nixon down. Is a fucking Rat period.

[Brad Mitchell]

There is nothing heroic about being a whistle blower, not in this case.

[kath]

....or victim?

As a good friend pointed out to me - does it look like this man was in any mental capacity to have made the decision to "out" himself as Deep Throat? It's quite likely that his greedy family decided to exploit the man in his aging state and profit from making such an announcement. I heard that his daughter is already talking book deal.

<_<

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by Steady+Jun 2 2005, 03:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Steady @ Jun 2 2005, 03:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Jun 2 2005, 10:29 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Steady@Jun 2 2005, 10:56 AM
Rat!

Felt had a grudge :angry: He was second in comand, he should gone to his boss first,
instead he made the decision to expose Nixon.
His boss, who was appointed by ....

Nixon.

Gimme a fucking break.
Read the post...I said he was second in command.

"L. Patrick Grey as Director of the FBI. Grey was a political hack who would do Nixon's bidding. Mark Felt as the No. 2 man in the FBI and the top career FBI man, was loyal to Mr. Hoover's legacy and to the FBI. However, unlike Mr. Hoover, Mark Felt did not have the position, popularity or political power to just tell Nixon "no." Nixon controlled the Justice Department and, thus, presentations to grand juries. Further, at least one FBI official had been transferred out of the Washington, D.C. office when he tried to go through “proper channels” in protesting the administration’s interference in the Watergate investigation. Lacking other means, Mark Felt simply did what he had to do to keep Nixon from misusing the FBI."

Yes, his boss was appointed by Nixion...Felt was not. If Felt had gone to his boss, who
was appointed by Nixion, Watergate would not even exist today in the books.

Felt had no power, he was determin to take Nixon down. Is a fucking Rat period. [/b][/quote]
So you're saying it would have been better if Felt had been a good little Nazi, gone to Gray and considered his duties discharged?

In other words, Felt is culpable because the cover up wasn't allowed to work?

Too many people are over-emphasizing the role Felt played in the whole thing anyway. Other reporters were onto the whole mess that the Nixon Administration had become (Seymor Hirsch among them). The total inept way they went about most things was going to bring them down anyway.

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by kath@Jun 2 2005, 08:16 PM
....or victim?

As a good friend pointed out to me - does it look like this man was in any mental capacity to have made the decision to "out" himself as Deep Throat? It's quite likely that his greedy family decided to exploit the man in his aging state and profit from making such an announcement. I heard that his daughter is already talking book deal.

<_<
This is America.

Convicted felons have made money off their Watergate experiences.

Why should the Felts be any different?

[Steady]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy+Jun 2 2005, 05:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PornoDoggy @ Jun 2 2005, 05:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by Steady@Jun 2 2005, 03:16 PM
Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Jun 2 2005, 10:29 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Steady@Jun 2 2005, 10:56 AM
Rat!

Felt had a grudge :angry: He was second in comand, he should gone to his boss first,
instead he made the decision to expose Nixon.
His boss, who was appointed by ....

Nixon.

Gimme a fucking break.
Read the post...I said he was second in command.

"L. Patrick Grey as Director of the FBI. Grey was a political hack who would do Nixon's bidding. Mark Felt as the No. 2 man in the FBI and the top career FBI man, was loyal to Mr. Hoover's legacy and to the FBI. However, unlike Mr. Hoover, Mark Felt did not have the position, popularity or political power to just tell Nixon "no." Nixon controlled the Justice Department and, thus, presentations to grand juries. Further, at least one FBI official had been transferred out of the Washington, D.C. office when he tried to go through “proper channels” in protesting the administration’s interference in the Watergate investigation. Lacking other means, Mark Felt simply did what he had to do to keep Nixon from misusing the FBI."

Yes, his boss was appointed by Nixion...Felt was not. If Felt had gone to his boss, who
was appointed by Nixion, Watergate would not even exist today in the books.

Felt had no power, he was determin to take Nixon down. Is a fucking Rat period.
So you're saying it would have been better if Felt had been a good little Nazi, gone to Gray and considered his duties discharged?

In other words, Felt is culpable because the cover up wasn't allowed to work?

Too many people are over-emphasizing the role Felt played in the whole thing anyway. Other reporters were onto the whole mess that the Nixon Administration had become (Seymor Hirsch among them). The total inept way they went about most things was going to bring them down anyway.[/b][/quote]

No, what I'm saying is real simple...

Felt should be sent to prison or at least labeled as a poor public servant. He was a government agent a law enforcement officer. If a high ranking government employee, in this case The President, did wrong he (Felt) is required to report the crime to his superiors, a grand jury or congress. He chose to talk anonymously to the press. That is chicken shit!

Now three decades have past and the RAT is talking about how much money he can make on a book deal.

Mark Felt is the lowest form of life. aka RAT!