wig, I went short on bonds yesterday

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how much will I lose? (%% wise)

[wig]

I think you are right in the short term, but I think after a pull back it will go higher into September.

It has just gone too far as of late and turned all my lagging indicators to the positive side.

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Originally posted by wig@Jun 1 2005, 08:32 AM
I think you are right in the short term, but I think after a pull back it will go higher into September.

It has just gone too far as of late and turned all my lagging indicators to the positive side.
wig, short term is ALL I look for
;)

meanwhile...bonds are higher another 1 1/2 % this morning
;(

[wig]

Originally posted by Winetalk.com+Jun 1 2005, 08:33 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Winetalk.com @ Jun 1 2005, 08:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-wig@Jun 1 2005, 08:32 AM
I think you are right in the short term, but I think after a pull back it will go higher into September.

It has just gone too far as of late and turned all my lagging indicators to the positive side.
wig, short term is ALL I look for
;)

meanwhile...bonds are higher another 1 1/2 % this morning
;( [/b][/quote]
Well, after my last short attempt I went at it again a couple weeks ago and got it shoved up my ass, so I feel your pain. ;-)

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Originally posted by wig+Jun 1 2005, 08:38 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (wig @ Jun 1 2005, 08:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Winetalk.com@Jun 1 2005, 08:33 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-wig@Jun 1 2005, 08:32 AM
I think you are right in the short term, but I think after a pull back it will go higher into September.

It has just gone too far as of late and turned all my lagging indicators to the positive side.
wig, short term is ALL I look for
;)

meanwhile...bonds are higher another 1 1/2 % this morning
;(
Well, after my last short attempt I went at it again a couple weeks ago and got it shoved up my ass, so I feel your pain. ;-) [/b][/quote]
no real pain yet....I only went with one leg, I never go "full throttle" on the first date nowadays
;)

shorting GOOG 15 mins before their earning report taught me a valuable lesson
;) Glad I covered @ 9:45. the first loss is the smallest loss
;)

[wig]

Originally posted by Winetalk.com+Jun 1 2005, 08:42 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Winetalk.com @ Jun 1 2005, 08:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by wig@Jun 1 2005, 08:38 AM
Originally posted by Winetalk.com@Jun 1 2005, 08:33 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-wig@Jun 1 2005, 08:32 AM
I think you are right in the short term, but I think after a pull back it will go higher into September.

It has just gone too far as of late and turned all my lagging indicators to the positive side.
wig, short term is ALL I look for
;)

meanwhile...bonds are higher another 1 1/2 % this morning
;(
Well, after my last short attempt I went at it again a couple weeks ago and got it shoved up my ass, so I feel your pain. ;-)
no real pain yet....I only went with one leg, I never go "full throttle" on the first date nowadays
;)

shorting GOOG 15 mins before their earning report taught me a valuable lesson
;) Glad I covered @ 9:45. the first loss is the smallest loss
;) [/b][/quote]
True, true. Good luck on it. :D

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wig, we are in the same boat and BOTH can use some luck
;)

[Almighty Colin]

How do you short bonds?

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Originally posted by Almighty Colin@Jun 1 2005, 08:51 AM
How do you short bonds?
wig shorts futures - highly leverages, high Risk / Reward trade

I buy mutual fund which shorts bonds - no leverage, less risk / reward trade

RYJAX is a symbol

[wig]

Originally posted by Winetalk.com@Jun 1 2005, 08:49 AM
wig, we are in the same boat and BOTH can use some luck
;)
Absolutely. I never turn down good luck. Now, if I can only figure out when it is approaching! :P

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Winetalk.com+Jun 1 2005, 08:55 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Winetalk.com @ Jun 1 2005, 08:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Almighty Colin@Jun 1 2005, 08:51 AM
How do you short bonds?
wig shorts futures - highly leverages, high Risk / Reward trade

I buy mutual fund which shorts bonds - no leverage, less risk / reward trade

RYJAX is a symbol [/b][/quote]
I'm in PRRDX and PHK. Never tried timing bond market.

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Originally posted by Almighty Colin+Jun 1 2005, 09:01 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Almighty Colin @ Jun 1 2005, 09:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Winetalk.com@Jun 1 2005, 08:55 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Almighty Colin@Jun 1 2005, 08:51 AM
How do you short bonds?
wig shorts futures - highly leverages, high Risk / Reward trade

I buy mutual fund which shorts bonds - no leverage, less risk / reward trade

RYJAX is a symbol
I'm in PRRDX and PHK. Never tried timing bond market. [/b][/quote]
PHK???
One of my favorite trading vehicles...I am buy it in 1000-2000 increments on the way down, sell in the same increments on the way up and collect monthly dividends in the process...
I still have 3400 shares left, will blow some if it goes above 14.50

;)

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Winetalk.com@Jun 1 2005, 09:04 AM

PHK???
One of my favorite trading vehicles...I am buy it in 1000-2000 increments on the way down, sell in the same increments on the way up and collect monthly dividends in the process...
I still have 3400 shares left, will blow some if it goes above 14.50

;)
That is so funny. I was thinking about doing the same thing.

I bought some after reading Bill Gross' book.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detai...=books&n=507846 (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0471283258/qid=1117634806/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/002-8432613-4361614?v=glance&s=books&n=507846)

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Originally posted by Almighty Colin+Jun 1 2005, 09:06 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Almighty Colin @ Jun 1 2005, 09:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Winetalk.com@Jun 1 2005, 09:04 AM

PHK???
One of my favorite trading vehicles...I am buy it in 1000-2000 increments on the way down, sell in the same increments on the way up and collect monthly dividends in the process...
I still have 3400 shares left, will blow some if it goes above 14.50

;)
That is so funny. I was thinking about doing the same thing.

I bought some after reading Bill Gross' book.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detai...=books&n=507846 (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0471283258/qid=1117634806/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/002-8432613-4361614?v=glance&s=books&n=507846) [/b][/quote]
Bill Gross is a true bonds Guru, very RARE I've seen him wrong. He now says the low interest rates in USA will go for the next 2-4 years...

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Winetalk.com+Jun 1 2005, 09:08 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Winetalk.com @ Jun 1 2005, 09:08 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Almighty Colin@Jun 1 2005, 09:06 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Winetalk.com@Jun 1 2005, 09:04 AM

PHK???
One of my favorite trading vehicles...I am buy it in 1000-2000 increments on the way down, sell in the same increments on the way up and collect monthly dividends in the process...
I still have 3400 shares left, will blow some if it goes above 14.50

;)
That is so funny. I was thinking about doing the same thing.

I bought some after reading Bill Gross' book.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detai...=books&n=507846 (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0471283258/qid=1117634806/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/002-8432613-4361614?v=glance&s=books&n=507846)
Bill Gross is a true bonds Guru, very RARE I've seen him wrong. He now says the low interest rates in USA will go for the next 2-4 years... [/b][/quote]
He sure is. I read his monthly articles at Pimco site.

Bretton Woods II ;-)