What mobile services do you offer?

[Newton]

I am putting together an article for sexines on all things mobile.

Are you currently offering chat, billing, dating, feeds, cams, images, videos, mobile services to affiliates or in fact any mobile services at all ... please post these offerings in this thread or contact me on icq to tell me about your services.

A lot of people are contacting me asking for information as to companies I know of, and the services they provide, for which I am passing on.

I know there are some new players in this industry, that would like a chance to advertise both existing and forthcoming releases. and this is your chance.

Please post these offerings in this thread, or contact me on icq, to inform me about your services.

Thanks in advance.

[ColPanic]

Hey Newton!

It's been a while since we've chatted. At WireRunner we are doing a ton of stuff to help paysites start selling mobile versions of their content. The first live client will be launched at Cybernet in a few weeks! (We have sort of kept it quiet so far.. as so many companies have been making press releases about going mobile, but haven't had a functioning system to show.)

I'll post the 30 second version of what we do here, but hit me up on ICQ if you want to talk in more detail.

The WireRunner system lets webmasters take their images, short video clips, text based stories etc... and automatically (no manual resizing/reformatting) translates them into the appropriate mobile version for any phone user accessing the content.

On the billing side, the webmaster can charge via premium SMS in 7 european countries, with more being added soon. We let you sell access to entire sets of content, not just single background images; which we believe will convert far more effectively.

We also work with the clients to integrate with their credit card proccessor if they want to sell to US based clients (can't do premium sms for adult in the states). Integrating with their processor allows a seamless look for the site. We don't have to bounce your surfers off to some 3rd party site. You could even set it up as a new selection in your purchase options. So, offer a 3.95 trial, a 19.95/month 3 month, or 29.95 a month 1 month, or a 4.99 mobile subscription.

There is a lot more stuff I could talk about but I'm not going to go into detail here. If you are going to be at Cybernet come see me! I'll be demo'ing the system at the Corridor Crusin event.

ICQ: 282113356

Cya!
Todd

[Newton]

Thanks Todd :)

[Trev]

Very interesting indeed.

I so have to get in on the mobile scene!

[Nickatilynx]

Yawn....

[Trev]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@May 29 2005, 08:26 PM
Yawn....
LOL

I'm getting the feeling you've heard it all before :biglaugh:

[Newton]

Todd just left a message on your icq ..

I know there are a lot of services out there for 3g and more ..

its the future Trev and this info should be available to a lot more people for free :)

[Trev]

Originally posted by Newton@May 29 2005, 08:39 PM
its the future Trev and this info should be available to a lot more people for free :)
I agree mate :okthumb:

[Nickatilynx]

As soon as anyone on this board is netting 5 figures a month out of it , I'll be on it :)

[TheEnforcer]

Not a chicken, not a wing, not a mother fucking thing! :P

[Trev]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@May 29 2005, 10:03 PM
As soon as anyone on this board is netting 5 figures a month out of it , I'll be on it :)
On or OWN :yowsa:

[Timon]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@May 29 2005, 04:03 PM
As soon as anyone on this board is netting 5 figures a month out of it , I'll be on it :)
muhahahahahaaa

forget adult though, waste of time ;)

[Inabon]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@May 29 2005, 04:03 PM
As soon as anyone on this board is netting 5 figures a month out of it , I'll be on it :)
:) i think i heard that before not so long ago in a galaxy not so far away :)

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Inabon+May 29 2005, 11:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Inabon @ May 29 2005, 11:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@May 29 2005, 04:03 PM
As soon as anyone on this board is netting 5 figures a month out of it , I'll be on it :)
:) i think i heard that before not so long ago in a galaxy not so far away :) [/b][/quote]
If you hurry Tim Hortons will still be open ...

[Newton]

inhandmobile, bankingbucks, mpush, txtnation, playboy, hustler, babecell and more, I know you are out there :)

[Trev]

I would also like to hear from txtnation...

[leedsfan]

Banking Bucks stopping in to say hi.

Yes we have vids pics, moan tones, games, sex chat, dogging chat, plus a slew of new stuff coming. I also will have PSP ready content in a couple of weeks.

I am also working on a real time casino on your phone, where you can play for real money.

Tons of stuff happening.

We were officially the first affiliate model offering webmasters revenue from phone sales, just for everyones sense of satisfaction.

Plus we have both a european and north american phone solution.

[Newton]

Thanks Allen :)

[SykkBoy]

Well Newton, now that you have the email, you know my goals and plans ;-)

Looking forward to working with you and my investors are very very happy too ;-)

[Newton]

Excellent goals and plans ... congratulations ;) Looking forward to seeing these projects come to the fore, and I will be in touch in a few days .. :okthumb:

[emjay]

Originally posted by Trev@May 30 2005, 10:07 AM
I would also like to hear from txtnation...
fyi www.adultmobilesolutions.com is the adult division of txtNation. We also have many non-adult clients, so we created a seperate Brand just for adult.

Feel free to hit me up/call if you want to start making mobile money! B)

[Newton]

Originally posted by emjay+Jun 4 2005, 10:37 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (emjay @ Jun 4 2005, 10:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Trev@May 30 2005, 10:07 AM
I would also like to hear from txtnation...
fyi www.adultmobilesolutions.com is the adult division of txtNation. We also have many non-adult clients, so we created a seperate Brand just for adult.

Feel free to hit me up/call if you want to start making mobile money! B) [/b][/quote]
Do you provide "working" premium sms for US carriers?

I thought they didn't like adult, so how have you bypassed this?

[ColPanic]

Originally posted by Newton+Jun 4 2005, 10:50 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Newton @ Jun 4 2005, 10:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by emjay@Jun 4 2005, 10:37 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Trev@May 30 2005, 10:07 AM
I would also like to hear from txtnation...
fyi www.adultmobilesolutions.com is the adult division of txtNation. We also have many non-adult clients, so we created a seperate Brand just for adult.

Feel free to hit me up/call if you want to start making mobile money! B)
Do you provide "working" premium sms for US carriers?

I thought they didn't like adult, so how have you bypassed this? [/b][/quote]
The demo system I saw them pushing on all the boards a few days ago claimed to support premium billing in the US, but personally I highly doubt it. The US operators haven't approved any hardcore adult yet to my knowledge. (and this is sort of what I do, so I should know)

adultmobilesolutions(aka mpush), can you really support the US? If so, we should talk.. if not, your demo is very misleading :)

[Trev]

Originally posted by ColPanic+Jun 6 2005, 06:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ColPanic @ Jun 6 2005, 06:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Newton@Jun 4 2005, 10:50 AM
Originally posted by emjay@Jun 4 2005, 10:37 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Trev@May 30 2005, 10:07 AM
I would also like to hear from txtnation...
fyi www.adultmobilesolutions.com is the adult division of txtNation. We also have many non-adult clients, so we created a seperate Brand just for adult.

Feel free to hit me up/call if you want to start making mobile money! B)
Do you provide "working" premium sms for US carriers?

I thought they didn't like adult, so how have you bypassed this?
The demo system I saw them pushing on all the boards a few days ago claimed to support premium billing in the US, but personally I highly doubt it. The US operators haven't approved any hardcore adult yet to my knowledge. (and this is sort of what I do, so I should know)

adultmobilesolutions(aka mpush), can you really support the US? If so, we should talk.. if not, your demo is very misleading :) [/b][/quote]
I'm getting a feeling that you and Newton are calling bullshit... albeit in a very nice way :D

[Newton]

Just asking relevant questions ;)

[Titan]

we are implenting at the moment our first mobile feature on babesandstuff - Mobile blogging - can update blogs with pics , vids and text direct from your mobile aswell as - should be working next week - were trying to get it integrated into vbulletin at the moment :)

[Trev]

Originally posted by Titan@Jun 6 2005, 09:03 PM
we are implenting at the moment our first mobile feature on babesandstuff - Mobile blogging - can update blogs with pics , vids and text direct from your mobile aswell as - should be working next week - were trying to get it integrated into vbulletin at the moment :)
After billing costs how much do you make per sms/mms?

[emjay]

http://www.mpush.com/payout.php?data=6

[Trev]

Originally posted by emjay@Jun 6 2005, 09:36 PM
http://www.mpush.com/payout.php?data=6
A very detailed answer with many well voiced facts <_<

[Newton]

Originally posted by emjay@Jun 6 2005, 12:36 PM
http://www.mpush.com/payout.php?data=6
Fuck that .. what about answering the questions posed above first ...

[Trev]

Originally posted by Newton+Jun 6 2005, 09:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Newton @ Jun 6 2005, 09:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-emjay@Jun 6 2005, 12:36 PM
http://www.mpush.com/payout.php?data=6
Fuck that .. what about answering the questions posed above first ... [/b][/quote]
Now can I say bullshit without it being put it in a nice way :)

[ColPanic]

Originally posted by Titan@Jun 6 2005, 12:03 PM
we are implenting at the moment our first mobile feature on babesandstuff - Mobile blogging - can update blogs with pics , vids and text direct from your mobile aswell as - should be working next week - were trying to get it integrated into vbulletin at the moment :)
Sounds very cool Titan!

Be sure to post here when it's ready to be seen!

[Newton]

Originally posted by ColPanic+Jun 6 2005, 01:08 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ColPanic @ Jun 6 2005, 01:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Titan@Jun 6 2005, 12:03 PM
we are implenting at the moment our first mobile feature on babesandstuff - Mobile blogging - can update blogs with pics , vids and text direct from your mobile aswell as - should be working next week - were trying to get it integrated into vbulletin at the moment :)
Sounds very cool Titan!

Be sure to post here when it's ready to be seen! [/b][/quote]
Indeed .. would be nice to see it hooked into vbulletin for moblogging :) Give me a shout when its done Titan :)

[SykkBoy]

Originally posted by Newton+Jun 6 2005, 03:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Newton @ Jun 6 2005, 03:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-emjay@Jun 6 2005, 12:36 PM
http://www.mpush.com/payout.php?data=6
Fuck that .. what about answering the questions posed above first ... [/b][/quote]
Really

this is why with the new project, we're just deciding to avoid adult and run all "mainstream" content....while I think the potential market for adult is huge, there are too many obstacles that I don't feel like overcoming......

[gonzo]

Originally posted by emjay@Jun 6 2005, 03:36 PM
http://www.mpush.com/payout.php?data=6
Your spam is becoming annoying. I will be at corridor cruising to see this demo. Ill be sure and ask the same questions that Newton has asked again in person since you have chosen not to do so here.

[Newton]

Originally posted by gonzo+Jun 6 2005, 01:35 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gonzo @ Jun 6 2005, 01:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-emjay@Jun 6 2005, 03:36 PM
http://www.mpush.com/payout.php?data=6
Your spam is becoming annoying. I will be at corridor cruising to see this demo. Ill be sure and ask the same questions that Newton has asked again in person since you have chosen not to do so here. [/b][/quote]
It would be interesting, and thanks for the offer Gonzo, as ColPanic knows his stuff and tried the demo

"The demo system I saw them pushing on all the boards a few days ago claimed to support premium billing in the US, but personally I highly doubt it. The US operators haven't approved any hardcore adult yet to my knowledge. (and this is sort of what I do, so I should know)

adultmobilesolutions(aka mpush), can you really support the US? If so, we should talk.. if not, your demo is very misleading"

Do you provide "working" premium sms for US carriers?

I thought they didn't like adult, so how have you bypassed this?

[Titan]

ill be sure to let you guys know when its up .. were not doing it for profits so thats not even a factor its all for the end users

[ColPanic]

Originally posted by gonzo+Jun 6 2005, 01:35 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gonzo @ Jun 6 2005, 01:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-emjay@Jun 6 2005, 03:36 PM
http://www.mpush.com/payout.php?data=6
Your spam is becoming annoying. I will be at corridor cruising to see this demo. Ill be sure and ask the same questions that Newton has asked again in person since you have chosen not to do so here. [/b][/quote]
Hey Gonzo:

I think you might be confused. WireRunner (my company) will be demo'ing at Corridor Crusin, but we are not part of mpush/adultmobilesolutions.

I'm pretty sure emjay is somewhere in Europe, so I doubt they will be at the show. (although if you are, emjay, we should have a drink).

Gonzo: Stop by though for sure! I'd be happy to answer your questions!

Todd

[gonzo]

Originally posted by ColPanic+Jun 6 2005, 04:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ColPanic @ Jun 6 2005, 04:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by gonzo@Jun 6 2005, 01:35 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-emjay@Jun 6 2005, 03:36 PM
http://www.mpush.com/payout.php?data=6
Your spam is becoming annoying. I will be at corridor cruising to see this demo. Ill be sure and ask the same questions that Newton has asked again in person since you have chosen not to do so here.
Hey Gonzo:

I think you might be confused. WireRunner (my company) will be demo'ing at Corridor Crusin, but we are not part of mpush/adultmobilesolutions.

I'm pretty sure emjay is somewhere in Europe, so I doubt they will be at the show. (although if you are, emjay, we should have a drink).

Gonzo: Stop by though for sure! I'd be happy to answer your questions!

Todd [/b][/quote]
I will Todd. Be a pleasure to meet you. Finally someone else is going otehr than me and Sykk. I thought he and I were going to end up drunk for a week.

[ColPanic]

Originally posted by gonzo@Jun 6 2005, 02:03 PM

I will Todd. Be a pleasure to meet you. Finally someone else is going otehr than me and Sykk. I thought he and I were going to end up drunk for a week.

[/quote]
Well, it's still pretty likely you will be drunk for a week :)

I actually live in San Diego, so it's going to be fun running around my home turf.

The party at the Martini Ranch should be a good time. Look for me there if you go!

[gonzo]

Originally posted by ColPanic@Jun 6 2005, 05:44 PM

I will Todd. Be a pleasure to meet you. Finally someone else is going otehr than me and Sykk. I thought he and I were going to end up drunk for a week.


Well, it's still pretty likely you will be drunk for a week :)

I actually live in San Diego, so it's going to be fun running around my home turf.

The party at the Martini Ranch should be a good time. Look for me there if you go! [/quote]
At this rate Im worried Im going to be holed up with a green bottle of Hill's and a tube O lube!

[Trev]

Originally posted by gonzo+Jun 7 2005, 12:11 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gonzo @ Jun 7 2005, 12:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by ColPanic@Jun 6 2005, 05:44 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-gonzo@Jun 6 2005, 02:03 PM

I will Todd. Be a pleasure to meet you. Finally someone else is going otehr than me and Sykk. I thought he and I were going to end up drunk for a week.


Well, it's still pretty likely you will be drunk for a week :)

I actually live in San Diego, so it's going to be fun running around my home turf.

The party at the Martini Ranch should be a good time. Look for me there if you go!
At this rate Im worried Im going to be holed up with a green bottle of Hill's and a tube O lube! [/b][/quote]
Bottle + Lube = pics please :yowsa:

[Newton]

Originally posted by Trev+Jun 6 2005, 03:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Trev @ Jun 6 2005, 03:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by gonzo@Jun 7 2005, 12:11 AM
Originally posted by ColPanic@Jun 6 2005, 05:44 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-gonzo@Jun 6 2005, 02:03 PM

I will Todd. Be a pleasure to meet you. Finally someone else is going otehr than me and Sykk. I thought he and I were going to end up drunk for a week.


Well, it's still pretty likely you will be drunk for a week :)

I actually live in San Diego, so it's going to be fun running around my home turf.

The party at the Martini Ranch should be a good time. Look for me there if you go!
At this rate Im worried Im going to be holed up with a green bottle of Hill's and a tube O lube!
Bottle + Lube = pics please :yowsa:[/b][/quote]
http://www.sexines.com/pinhead1.jpg But it's just absinth!! .. Oh, no. It is a means to summon us.

[Trev]

Originally posted by Newton+Jun 7 2005, 02:40 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Newton @ Jun 7 2005, 02:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Trev@Jun 6 2005, 03:22 PM
Originally posted by gonzo@Jun 7 2005, 12:11 AM
Originally posted by ColPanic@Jun 6 2005, 05:44 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-gonzo@Jun 6 2005, 02:03 PM

I will Todd. Be a pleasure to meet you. Finally someone else is going otehr than me and Sykk. I thought he and I were going to end up drunk for a week.


Well, it's still pretty likely you will be drunk for a week :)

I actually live in San Diego, so it's going to be fun running around my home turf.

The party at the Martini Ranch should be a good time. Look for me there if you go!
At this rate Im worried Im going to be holed up with a green bottle of Hill's and a tube O lube!
Bottle + Lube = pics please :yowsa:
http://www.sexines.com/pinhead1.jpg But it's just absinth!! .. Oh, no. It is a means to summon us. [/b][/quote]
hahahahahahaha :lol:

:wnw: :wnw:

I've got tears in my eyes here :D

[AMC]

In response to Newtons Original post, we offer content, turn key systems and an affiliate proram on the mobile side. We were in at the start of colour mobiles in 2002 and know pretty much all ya need to in terms of content and billing in the EU and the emerging USA mobile market.

Feel free to hit me up!
25341946

Justin

- PLUG OVER- <_<

[Newton]

Originally posted by AMC@Jun 8 2005, 01:48 PM
In response to Newtons Original post, we offer content, turn key systems and an affiliate proram on the mobile side. We were in at the start of colour mobiles in 2002 and know pretty much all ya need to in terms of content and billing in the EU and the emerging USA mobile market.

Feel free to hit me up!
25341946

Justin

- PLUG OVER- <_<
Cool .. are matrix content allowing their images for mobiles now, or is that just images used in the design of the site?

What are your terms and conditions as I don't see them anywhere?

Is there a minimum per month that I would have to sell in terms of minutes, if I were to become an affiliate?

[ColPanic]

Originally posted by AMC@Jun 8 2005, 01:48 PM
In response to Newtons Original post, we offer content, turn key systems and an affiliate proram on the mobile side. We were in at the start of colour mobiles in 2002 and know pretty much all ya need to in terms of content and billing in the EU and the emerging USA mobile market.

Feel free to hit me up!
25341946

Justin

- PLUG OVER- <_<
Nice site!

Your site seems to claim support for Australia and the USA. How are you doing that, seeing as they just outlawed mobile porn in AUS, and the USA hasn't ever allowed it via premium sms?

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,15423974-31037,00.html

Are you offering some other service that is allowed? If you do, we should chat... we are launching a few sites with partners & might be able to work out a way to upsell your stuff.

T

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by ColPanic+Jun 9 2005, 09:25 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ColPanic @ Jun 9 2005, 09:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-AMC@Jun 8 2005, 01:48 PM
In response to Newtons Original post, we offer content, turn key systems and an affiliate proram on the mobile side. We were in at the start of colour mobiles in 2002 and know pretty much all ya need to in terms of content and billing in the EU and the emerging USA mobile market.

Feel free to hit me up!
25341946

Justin

- PLUG OVER- <_<
Nice site!

Your site seems to claim support for Australia and the USA. How are you doing that, seeing as they just outlawed mobile porn in AUS, and the USA hasn't ever allowed it via premium sms?

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,15423974-31037,00.html

Are you offering some other service that is allowed?

T [/b][/quote]
Col , you seem to know your stuff. :)

But there also seems to be a lot of bullshitters in your area.

Hence why I intend to wait til it really takes off before getting involved.

[ColPanic]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jun 9 2005, 09:37 AM

Col , you seem to know your stuff. :)

But there also seems to be a lot of bullshitters in your area.

Hence why I intend to wait til it really takes off before getting involved.
Thanks!

I'm not going to call bullshit on the AMC guys, as they haven't had a chance to respond yet :okthumb: I'm skeptical, but I don't really know anything about them firsthand. Honestly I hope they have something, because I've been looking for a good partner for a few things.

In general though, you are right. There are way too many companies with very flashy websites and shitty technology. It pisses me off because these guys go out and strike deals with every company they can find, and then fail, and it damages the entire industry.

It boggles my mind why companies insinuate that they can do things they can't.

I do know my stuff when it comes to mobile, prior to this I spent 5 years building very similar things for large phone companies. You might see me calling foul on this stuff more often shortly. Hopefully if enough people look silly, they will fall in line and play fair.


:groucho:

[AMC]

thanks for your comments...

in response, this is the curent ballpark deal:

USA - bikini babes only billable via premium SMS but porn via wap/mobile internet is ok if using cc or other billing method.
AUS - as above
UK and most of EU - full frontal / hard porn ok on Adult shortcode or tits only on non adult shotcode

MobileBabes.com affilaite program supports USA, AUS, NewZealand, South Africa, UK and much of europe and makes sure it complies with above depending on users location and registration

Newton, we are and have been exclusive Matrix Mobile Content distributors since 2003 as well as other great content libraries ready for mobile.

Hit me up if you have some mobile traffic and want to talk - there are no minimums Newton and no bullshit, just great conversion and giving the mobile users what they want- good looking babes on their phone. The terms link is on the signup page :huh:

[Newton]

Cool I might be able to find 1 or two that i am not using at the moment, will hit you up to discuss this further ..

[SykkBoy]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Jun 9 2005, 12:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Jun 9 2005, 12:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by ColPanic@Jun 9 2005, 09:25 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-AMC@Jun 8 2005, 01:48 PM
In response to Newtons Original post, we offer content, turn key systems and an affiliate proram on the mobile side. We were in at the start of colour mobiles in 2002 and know pretty much all ya need to in terms of content and billing in the EU and the emerging USA mobile market.

Feel free to hit me up!
25341946

Justin

- PLUG OVER- <_<
Nice site!

Your site seems to claim support for Australia and the USA. How are you doing that, seeing as they just outlawed mobile porn in AUS, and the USA hasn't ever allowed it via premium sms?

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,15423974-31037,00.html

Are you offering some other service that is allowed?

T
Col , you seem to know your stuff. :)

But there also seems to be a lot of bullshitters in your area.

Hence why I intend to wait til it really takes off before getting involved. [/b][/quote]
whole lot of them

that's why our new venture is non-porn....most mobile downloaders are teens and I'd rather have that market than fuck with porn....

[Timon]

Originally posted by SykkBoy@Jun 10 2005, 02:00 AM
that's why our new venture is non-porn....most mobile downloaders are teens and I'd rather have that market than fuck with porn....
That's the smartest, and probably only smart thing I have seen anyone on this board say about mobile :okthumb:

[ColPanic]

Originally posted by SykkBoy@Jun 9 2005, 11:00 PM

whole lot of them

that's why our new venture is non-porn....most mobile downloaders are teens and I'd rather have that market than fuck with porn....
Absolutely... Although mainstream mobile is a highly competitive market right now. Millions of marketing dollars go into promoting games and ringtones etc.. already, so it's tough for any normal sized companies to get in at this point.

Are you doing something new/different that you can share?

T

[SykkBoy]

Originally posted by ColPanic+Jun 10 2005, 11:58 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ColPanic @ Jun 10 2005, 11:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-SykkBoy@Jun 9 2005, 11:00 PM

whole lot of them

that's why our new venture is non-porn....most mobile downloaders are teens and I'd rather have that market than fuck with porn....
Absolutely... Although mainstream mobile is a highly competitive market right now. Millions of marketing dollars go into promoting games and ringtones etc.. already, so it's tough for any normal sized companies to get in at this point.

Are you doing something new/different that you can share?

T [/b][/quote]
quite different involving licensed images and unique text content, but can't divulge much more at this point....

I realize there is a lot of competition in that area already, but there is room for a company with a few more twists than the standard generic offerings currently available (not that they are all bad, but we've come up with a little different angle and are expanding what others are already doing). I'd still rather grab 5% of that market than mess with adult. I know there are a few who will make really good money offering adult services, but it just doesn't excite me as much as the teen market, profit and dollar-wise.

There are a handful who "get it" though and I'd count you and Newton amongst them (I'm not as familiar with AMC, so couldn't vouch personally, but he seems to know what he's talking about, which can't be said for a lot of other "mobile gurus" who seem to be more about smoke, mirrors and flash).

[ColPanic]

Originally posted by SykkBoy@Jun 10 2005, 09:49 AM

quite different involving licensed images and unique text content, but can't divulge much more at this point....

I realize there is a lot of competition in that area already, but there is room for a company with a few more twists than the standard generic offerings currently available (not that they are all bad, but we've come up with a little different angle and are expanding what others are already doing). I'd still rather grab 5% of that market than mess with adult. I know there are a few who will make really good money offering adult services, but it just doesn't excite me as much as the teen market, profit and dollar-wise.

There are a handful who "get it" though and I'd count you and Newton amongst them (I'm not as familiar with AMC, so couldn't vouch personally, but he seems to know what he's talking about, which can't be said for a lot of other "mobile gurus" who seem to be more about smoke, mirrors and flash).
Very cool..

I agree. If you can come up with something different from the ringtone/j2me sites, there is still a lot of opportunity in mainstream mobile.

Once you get something ready for public view, you should hit me up. If it's something groundbreaking I have some good contacts at a lot of large mobile mainstream sites that are always looking for new partnerships.

Good luck man!

[YanksTodd]

Originally posted by gonzo+Jun 6 2005, 02:03 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gonzo @ Jun 6 2005, 02:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by ColPanic@Jun 6 2005, 04:55 PM
Originally posted by gonzo@Jun 6 2005, 01:35 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-emjay@Jun 6 2005, 03:36 PM
http://www.mpush.com/payout.php?data=6
Your spam is becoming annoying. I will be at corridor cruising to see this demo. Ill be sure and ask the same questions that Newton has asked again in person since you have chosen not to do so here.
Hey Gonzo:

I think you might be confused. WireRunner (my company) will be demo'ing at Corridor Crusin, but we are not part of mpush/adultmobilesolutions.

I'm pretty sure emjay is somewhere in Europe, so I doubt they will be at the show. (although if you are, emjay, we should have a drink).

Gonzo: Stop by though for sure! I'd be happy to answer your questions!

Todd
I will Todd. Be a pleasure to meet you. Finally someone else is going otehr than me and Sykk. I thought he and I were going to end up drunk for a week. [/b][/quote]
Todd def knows his shit. Just an FYI, we will be co-exhibiting with WireRunner in SD. We have something pretty exciting to show off.

[Trev]

Originally posted by YanksTodd+Jun 11 2005, 09:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (YanksTodd @ Jun 11 2005, 09:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by gonzo@Jun 6 2005, 02:03 PM
Originally posted by ColPanic@Jun 6 2005, 04:55 PM
Originally posted by gonzo@Jun 6 2005, 01:35 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-emjay@Jun 6 2005, 03:36 PM
http://www.mpush.com/payout.php?data=6
Your spam is becoming annoying. I will be at corridor cruising to see this demo. Ill be sure and ask the same questions that Newton has asked again in person since you have chosen not to do so here.
Hey Gonzo:

I think you might be confused. WireRunner (my company) will be demo'ing at Corridor Crusin, but we are not part of mpush/adultmobilesolutions.

I'm pretty sure emjay is somewhere in Europe, so I doubt they will be at the show. (although if you are, emjay, we should have a drink).

Gonzo: Stop by though for sure! I'd be happy to answer your questions!

Todd
I will Todd. Be a pleasure to meet you. Finally someone else is going otehr than me and Sykk. I thought he and I were going to end up drunk for a week.
Todd def knows his shit. Just an FYI, we will be co-exhibiting with WireRunner in SD. We have something pretty exciting to show off. [/b][/quote]
You can’t just leave all us non show goers hanging like that :(

[Newton]

Looking forward to seeing what guys will be releasing ..

[ColPanic]

Originally posted by Newton@Jun 11 2005, 05:44 PM
Looking forward to seeing what guys will be releasing ..
Well, the show is in full swing, and we did our event last night, so we can talk about the site now.

www.pocketgirls.com is a partnership between Yanks.com and WireRunner Software, and is the first live site (of many to follow) using the WireRunner system.

It goes beyond just selling crappy background images to sell the equivalent of mini-magazines. You get a bunch of images, joke, story, and bio information about the girl with each purchase.

We can bill in 10 countries, with SMS billing available in all except the US. (because regardless of what the other sites are claiming, they CANNOT bill premium sms for hardcore in the states.. we will support this as soon as it is allowed)

Our system also supports video and audio (ringtones etc..), however for pocketgirls.com we chose not to expose that, because we wanted a system that the majority of phones can use.

We will be launching an affiliate program in about 60 days, so check it out!

I'd love to hear feedback from you guys, how can we make the system better etc...

-Todd

[Newton]

Originally posted by ColPanic+Jun 14 2005, 02:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ColPanic @ Jun 14 2005, 02:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Newton@Jun 11 2005, 05:44 PM
Looking forward to seeing what guys will be releasing ..
Well, the show is in full swing, and we did our event last night, so we can talk about the site now.

www.pocketgirls.com is a partnership between Yanks.com and WireRunner Software, and is the first live site (of many to follow) using the WireRunner system.

It goes beyond just selling crappy background images to sell the equivalent of mini-magazines. You get a bunch of images, joke, story, and bio information about the girl with each purchase.

We can bill in 10 countries, with SMS billing available in all except the US. (because regardless of what the other sites are claiming, they CANNOT bill premium sms for hardcore in the states.. we will support this as soon as it is allowed)

Our system also supports video and audio (ringtones etc..), however for pocketgirls.com we chose not to expose that, because we wanted a system that the majority of phones can use.

We will be launching an affiliate program in about 60 days, so check it out!

I'd love to hear feedback from you guys, how can we make the system better etc...

-Todd [/b][/quote]
Fucking stunning guys .. Looking forward to the affiliate program, and especially if it contains what we discussed, with 200 domains ready to go :)

Enjoy the show and have a great time .. Superb product and hit me up when you guys are back :)

[SykkBoy]

Originally posted by ColPanic+Jun 14 2005, 05:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ColPanic @ Jun 14 2005, 05:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Newton@Jun 11 2005, 05:44 PM
Looking forward to seeing what guys will be releasing ..
Well, the show is in full swing, and we did our event last night, so we can talk about the site now.

www.pocketgirls.com is a partnership between Yanks.com and WireRunner Software, and is the first live site (of many to follow) using the WireRunner system.

It goes beyond just selling crappy background images to sell the equivalent of mini-magazines. You get a bunch of images, joke, story, and bio information about the girl with each purchase.

We can bill in 10 countries, with SMS billing available in all except the US. (because regardless of what the other sites are claiming, they CANNOT bill premium sms for hardcore in the states.. we will support this as soon as it is allowed)

Our system also supports video and audio (ringtones etc..), however for pocketgirls.com we chose not to expose that, because we wanted a system that the majority of phones can use.

We will be launching an affiliate program in about 60 days, so check it out!

I'd love to hear feedback from you guys, how can we make the system better etc...

-Todd [/b][/quote]
sounds fucking awesome

[EroticySteve]

Mobile? Is it a bit pre-mature to invest in mobile technology? Granted you could be a pioneer, but isn't it usually the innovators and not the inventors that make it big? Perhaps it would be best to sit back and let people figure out the ups and downs and enter the market at a more mature time?

[Newton]

Originally posted by EroticySteve@Jun 15 2005, 07:06 AM
Mobile? Is it a bit pre-mature to invest in mobile technology? Granted you could be a pioneer, but isn't it usually the innovators and not the inventors that make it big? Perhaps it would be best to sit back and let people figure out the ups and downs and enter the market at a more mature time?
Steve check out http://www.3g.co.uk

The US/Canada is behind the rest of the world, but they are catching

[Titan]

if u dont get involved now you will be offering the same services the innovators are offering NOW and people wont see any advantage to using your site over the first site they came accross the features - technology

mobile is the future - sure if u dont want to be one of the sites that people say WOW about and then the word of mouth buzz turns your site into the adult myspace .. then dont .. but dont ask about how u can get some of the pie later on in the game without showing your wallet first

2cents

[Titan]

www.pocketgirls.com

shows a us flag - how are you billing the us if u previously had mentioned not being able to bill premium to the us

why not offer a Non Nude version so that you can bill premium to the us ?

[AMC]

titan

we got USA no problem (and dont forget the huge Aussie, and South African markets) and are doing exactly what you suggest ;-)

http://affiliate.mobilebabes.com
http://www.mobilebabes.com


Rob

[ColPanic]

Originally posted by Titan@Jun 15 2005, 08:58 AM
www.pocketgirls.com

shows a us flag - how are you billing the us if u previously had mentioned not being able to bill premium to the us

why not offer a Non Nude version so that you can bill premium to the us ?
If you purchase something in the US it takes you to a credit card checkout & then delivers the content using a non-premium SMS message.

All the other countries use premium SMS.

We are actually talking about doing a non-nude site for that exact reason.

To answer the question about the inventor versus the innovator... Mobile is already big over in Europe, we *are* the innovator ;)


T

[ColPanic]

Originally posted by AMC@Jun 15 2005, 09:20 AM
titan

we got USA no problem (and dont forget the huge Aussie, and South African markets) and are doing exactly what you suggest ;-)

http://affiliate.mobilebabes.com
http://www.mobilebabes.com


Rob

I'm signed up for your program, and I do get text messages to my US T-Mobile account... but they aren't showing up as premium messages on my bill. Also, when I tried to unsubscribe (mb stop all to 89050), it fails to send the message (all my other messages work fine).


What's the deal with that? Are you *sure* you are really configured for premium SMS in the US? If you are, please cancel my account as your support page doesn't give me the right info.

T

[Newton]

Nice .. so you can sign up but not cancel?

[Timon]

Originally posted by EroticySteve@Jun 15 2005, 10:06 AM
Mobile? Is it a bit pre-mature to invest in mobile technology? Granted you could be a pioneer, but isn't it usually the innovators and not the inventors that make it big? Perhaps it would be best to sit back and let people figure out the ups and downs and enter the market at a more mature time?
People have been selling mobile content for many many years, well back into the 90's.

IMO people focussing on adult are missing the bigger picture, especially the ones using the Internet as their main avenue of marketing.

In the mobile industry the real money is made through alliances and distribution partnerships with mobile operators (e.g. Verizon) and device manufacturers (e.g. Nokia).

Teenagers, many of them girls, make up a large part of the demographic.

You're not going to get any mass marketing deal with Nokia for porn and you are not going to sell any porn to teenage girls. Focussing on porn and leaving out the rest is like opening a huge supermarket that only sells onions, you may sell some but you could be selling so many other things.

Approach new business opportunities as a businessman, not a pornographer, and you'll be many times more successful!

JMO ;-)

[Timon]

Another reason why I think mobile porn is not going to be anything like the adult Internet boom:

Why do people watch porn?

Well?

Because it helps them get off!

Where do people like to masturbate?

On the train?

At work?

At the grocery store?

I believe they prefer to do it in the privacy of their own home.

What screens do you have available at home to watch porn on?

Most people have at least one large TV screen (50"?) a computer screen (17"?) and a mobile phone screen (2"?).

What screen would you choose to watch your porn on?

If you want to make money from mobile, sell people something they can use on the train on the way to work, not something that is only useful in a place where better tools are available ;-)

If anyone has a valid argument why my theory is wrong I'd love to hear it!

[Trev]

Originally posted by Timon@Jun 16 2005, 03:22 PM
Another reason why I think mobile porn is not going to be anything like the adult Internet boom:

Why do people watch porn?

Well?

Because it helps them get off!

Where do people like to masturbate?

On the train?

At work?

At the grocery store?

I believe they prefer to do it in the privacy of their own home.

What screens do you have available at home to watch porn on?

Most people have at least one large TV screen (50"?) a computer screen (17"?) and a mobile phone screen (2"?).

What screen would you choose to watch your porn on?

If you want to make money from mobile, sell people something they can use on the train on the way to work, not something that is only useful in a place where better tools are available ;-)

If anyone has a valid argument why my theory is wrong I'd love to hear it!
I've jacked off on a train, plane, at work and many other places using only my imagination... a porn filled phone would have come in handy :yowsa:

[Timon]

Originally posted by Trev@Jun 16 2005, 09:35 AM
I've jacked off on a train, plane, at work and many other places using only my imagination... a porn filled phone would have come in handy :yowsa:
Then I classify you as the person who goes to a supermarket that sells only onions ;-)

[Trev]

Originally posted by Timon+Jun 16 2005, 03:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Timon @ Jun 16 2005, 03:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Trev@Jun 16 2005, 09:35 AM
I've jacked off on a train, plane, at work and many other places using only my imagination... a porn filled phone would have come in handy :yowsa:
Then I classify you as the person who goes to a supermarket that sells only onions ;-) [/b][/quote]
I wasn't arguing in the corner of porn for phones... just trying to prove that my imagination is piss poor :P

[Timon]

Originally posted by Trev+Jun 16 2005, 09:41 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Trev @ Jun 16 2005, 09:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Timon@Jun 16 2005, 03:37 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Trev@Jun 16 2005, 09:35 AM
I've jacked off on a train, plane, at work and many other places using only my imagination... a porn filled phone would have come in handy :yowsa:
Then I classify you as the person who goes to a supermarket that sells only onions ;-)
I wasn't arguing in the corner of porn for phones... just trying to prove that my imagination is piss poor :P [/b][/quote]
I know, and I am just using you as an example for the fact that no matter what you sell, there's always a fool who will buy it, but not necessarily enough to earn you obscene money ;-)

[Trev]

Originally posted by Timon+Jun 16 2005, 03:44 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Timon @ Jun 16 2005, 03:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Trev@Jun 16 2005, 09:41 AM
Originally posted by Timon@Jun 16 2005, 03:37 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Trev@Jun 16 2005, 09:35 AM
I've jacked off on a train, plane, at work and many other places using only my imagination... a porn filled phone would have come in handy :yowsa:
Then I classify you as the person who goes to a supermarket that sells only onions ;-)
I wasn't arguing in the corner of porn for phones... just trying to prove that my imagination is piss poor :P
I know, and I am just using you as an example for the fact that no matter what you sell, there's always a fool who will buy it, but not necessarily enough to earn you obscene money ;-) [/b][/quote]
Two of my favourite words... obscene and money :groucho:


Me personally, I'm looking for the next crazy frog... then as BillPMB would say I'm going to power hump it...






...and when I've done that I'm going to start selling it :yowsa:

[Timon]

Originally posted by Trev@Jun 16 2005, 09:58 AM
Me personally, I'm looking for the next crazy frog... then as BillPMB would say I'm going to power hump it...

Maybe a mobile crazy frog? I bet crazy frogs are more welcome on public transport than exhibitionists ;-)

[Trev]

Originally posted by Timon+Jun 16 2005, 04:30 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Timon @ Jun 16 2005, 04:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Trev@Jun 16 2005, 09:58 AM
Me personally, I'm looking for the next crazy frog... then as BillPMB would say I'm going to power hump it...

Maybe a mobile crazy frog? I bet crazy frogs are more welcome on public transport than exhibitionists ;-) [/b][/quote]
Are you trying to imply I'm some kind of perv :lol:

[AMC]

Originally posted by ColPanic+Jun 15 2005, 11:16 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ColPanic @ Jun 15 2005, 11:16 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-AMC@Jun 15 2005, 09:20 AM
titan

we got USA no problem (and dont forget the huge Aussie, and South African markets) and are doing exactly what you suggest ;-)

http://affiliate.mobilebabes.com
http://www.mobilebabes.com


Rob

I'm signed up for your program, and I do get text messages to my US T-Mobile account... but they aren't showing up as premium messages on my bill. Also, when I tried to unsubscribe (mb stop all to 89050), it fails to send the message (all my other messages work fine).


What's the deal with that? Are you *sure* you are really configured for premium SMS in the US? If you are, please cancel my account as your support page doesn't give me the right info.

T [/b][/quote]
Thanks for pointing that out Colpanic, it turns out you were looking at an out a date page inside the site. The main page is here http://www.mobilebabes.com/mbcommands.php and that old page now links to that too :P

Were billing most carriers Premium for sure in the US - but many of them havent caught up with the billing descriptions yet so I hear....

[ColPanic]

Originally posted by AMC+Jun 16 2005, 09:01 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (AMC @ Jun 16 2005, 09:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by ColPanic@Jun 15 2005, 11:16 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-AMC@Jun 15 2005, 09:20 AM
titan

we got USA no problem (and dont forget the huge Aussie, and South African markets) and are doing exactly what you suggest ;-)

http://affiliate.mobilebabes.com
http://www.mobilebabes.com


Rob

I'm signed up for your program, and I do get text messages to my US T-Mobile account... but they aren't showing up as premium messages on my bill. Also, when I tried to unsubscribe (mb stop all to 89050), it fails to send the message (all my other messages work fine).


What's the deal with that? Are you *sure* you are really configured for premium SMS in the US? If you are, please cancel my account as your support page doesn't give me the right info.

T
Thanks for pointing that out Colpanic, it turns out you were looking at an out a date page inside the site. The main page is here http://www.mobilebabes.com/mbcommands.php and that old page now links to that too :P

Were billing most carriers Premium for sure in the US - but many of them havent caught up with the billing descriptions yet so I hear.... [/b][/quote]
Guys, with all the bs going around in mobile... I just want to say that I talked to AMC, and they sorted out the issue really quickly and helpfully.

He knows his mobile stuff too, unlike a lot of the bs'ers :D

Bad links happen ;)

[Newton]

That's good to hear .. I tried hitting up AMC on icq but still no reply .. Rob can you or one of your guys from AMC hit me up please.

[YanksTodd]

Originally posted by EroticySteve@Jun 15 2005, 07:06 AM
Mobile? Is it a bit pre-mature to invest in mobile technology? Granted you could be a pioneer, but isn't it usually the innovators and not the inventors that make it big? Perhaps it would be best to sit back and let people figure out the ups and downs and enter the market at a more mature time?
I think spending millions of dollars in marketing in the US is certainly pre-mature. However the pocket girls project has been relative cheap thus far. And we are moving cautiously with the marketing dollars which is where most new projects lose steam. :)

[YanksTodd]

Originally posted by Timon@Jun 16 2005, 06:22 AM
Another reason why I think mobile porn is not going to be anything like the adult Internet boom:

Why do people watch porn?

Well?

Because it helps them get off!

Where do people like to masturbate?

On the train?

At work?

At the grocery store?

I believe they prefer to do it in the privacy of their own home.

What screens do you have available at home to watch porn on?

Most people have at least one large TV screen (50"?) a computer screen (17"?) and a mobile phone screen (2"?).

What screen would you choose to watch your porn on?

If you want to make money from mobile, sell people something they can use on the train on the way to work, not something that is only useful in a place where better tools are available ;-)

If anyone has a valid argument why my theory is wrong I'd love to hear it!
In short:

-Magazines brought sex out of the bedroom

-VCRs brought them to your living room

-the internet brought them to the office and to work

-mobile devices will bring them everywhere

In each of these cases people would have said "Who would ever......???"

But they do :)

However I think your concern is quite common and a very reasonable one.

[Timon]

Originally posted by YanksTodd@Jun 16 2005, 03:57 PM
In short:

-Magazines brought sex out of the bedroom

-VCRs brought them to your living room

-the internet brought them to the office and to work

-mobile devices will bring them everywhere

Do you see what you're doing?

"It worked for magazines, VCR, DVD and the Internet so it will work for mobile too"

That's not the foundation for a solid business plan my friend ;-)

I can name very good valid reasons why each one of the mediums mentioned work. I can't really think of any why it would work on mobile. Would love to hear good arguments though ;-)

[ColPanic]

Originally posted by Timon+Jun 16 2005, 08:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Timon @ Jun 16 2005, 08:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-YanksTodd@Jun 16 2005, 03:57 PM
In short:

-Magazines brought sex out of the bedroom

-VCRs brought them to your living room

-the internet brought them to the office and to work

-mobile devices will bring them everywhere

Do you see what you're doing?

"It worked for magazines, VCR, DVD and the Internet so it will work for mobile too"

That's not the foundation for a solid business plan my friend ;-)

I can name very good valid reasons why each one of the mediums mentioned work. I can't really think of any why it would work on mobile. Would love to hear good arguments though ;-) [/b][/quote]

Go pick up any European mens magazine and flip to the back. That should pretty much end the argument.

It will work for the same reason phone sex lines work.

Nobody is saying that this is going to be *the* killer app, but as a pornographer, you have a lot better chance makign some money with mobile porn than you do trying to invent the next hit ringtone. A) you know the market, and B) you aren't out gunned by about 50k other companies with piles of money.

I'm still interested to see what your killer idea is though ;)

[Timon]

Originally posted by ColPanic@Jun 17 2005, 12:00 PM
It will work for the same reason phone sex lines work.

but people call these lines from home and jerk off doing it, having a girl talk dirty on the phone to you is quite a unique service that is hard to get in any other way ;-)

[Timon]

Originally posted by ColPanic@Jun 17 2005, 12:00 PM
Nobody is saying that this is going to be *the* killer app
Someone in this thread did ;-)

[YanksTodd]

Originally posted by Timon+Jun 16 2005, 08:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Timon @ Jun 16 2005, 08:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-YanksTodd@Jun 16 2005, 03:57 PM
In short:

-Magazines brought sex out of the bedroom

-VCRs brought them to your living room

-the internet brought them to the office and to work

-mobile devices will bring them everywhere

Do you see what you're doing?

"It worked for magazines, VCR, DVD and the Internet so it will work for mobile too"

That's not the foundation for a solid business plan my friend ;-)

I can name very good valid reasons why each one of the mediums mentioned work. I can't really think of any why it would work on mobile. Would love to hear good arguments though ;-) [/b][/quote]
Heheheheh, not one reason huh? I apologize for not posting our entire business plan on this chat board, however I assure you that it's just fine. I ljust like my answers concise

Since I am still up to my neck in 2257 BS, let's go this route. How many mediums has pornography graced where it has failed?

Here are the mediums it has succeeded on.
Magazines, DVDs, film, Phone (audio-text), VCR (Beta and VHS), Cable, Live Sex Shows, Peep Shows with Windows, PPV adult theaters, Strip Clubs without windows, The Internet, Video Games...hell I even know a guy who turns a profit making pornographic cookies

Radio might be an good answer. Although, I believe as satellite radio matures, it will also evolve to porn in some way. Are there any others porn failures out there that you can point out?

[Timon]

Originally posted by YanksTodd@Jun 17 2005, 06:50 PM
Are there any others porn failures out there that you can point out?
I don't believe porn games are a vibrant multi-billion dollar market. And I also listed the fact that because porn is already available on all these superior mediums that the mobile phone does not offer any distinct advantages..

But instead of just saying "it will be successful because it was successful on all these other mediums too" why don't you name one good solid reason why it will really take off on mobile phones? I have already listed many reasons why it won't take off, can't you think of a single reason why it will take off?

What unique advantage does the mobile phone offer that no other medium offers? That I can watch porn on the bus? I wanna jerk off when I watch porn, I don't want to jerk off on the bus. (actually I do but I'd go to prison)

If I would read your business plan and I couldn't extract the reason why it will take off and articulate it in one sentence then the business plan is not very solid ;-)

[gonzo]

I peeped the set up they have. Looks nice.
I will say that all of you thinking its going nowhere... I can tell you that your premature. I know of a mobile program that converts 1:16 already.

Leave your heads in the sand... leaves more cash for the rest of us.

[YanksTodd]

Originally posted by Timon+Jun 17 2005, 08:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Timon @ Jun 17 2005, 08:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-YanksTodd@Jun 17 2005, 06:50 PM
Are there any others porn failures out there that you can point out?
I don't believe porn games are a vibrant multi-billion dollar market. And I also listed the fact that because porn is already available on all these superior mediums that the mobile phone does not offer any distinct advantages..

But instead of just saying "it will be successful because it was successful on all these other mediums too" why don't you name one good solid reason why it will really take off on mobile phones? I have already listed many reasons why it won't take off, can't you think of a single reason why it will take off?

What unique advantage does the mobile phone offer that no other medium offers? That I can watch porn on the bus? I wanna jerk off when I watch porn, I don't want to jerk off on the bus. (actually I do but I'd go to prison)

If I would read your business plan and I couldn't extract the reason why it will take off and articulate it in one sentence then the business plan is not very solid ;-) [/b][/quote]
"I don't believe porn games are a vibrant multi-billion dollar market"

Me neither, thank god I only need multi-milliions. :)

The question I ended my last post was this:

Are there any others porn failures out there that you can point out? (Medium Wise)
You must have missed it, so I repose it? Or was your answer that I can only expect to become sorta rich doing mobile phone porn. Because I do agree that the XXX games don't blow off the shelves, I can't think of any total flops when it comes to adult content delivery methods.

"What unique advantage does the mobile phone offer that no other medium offers?"
Hmmmmm, (jeopardy theme) Answer: What is unassuming mobility Alex? :) Correct

To eleborate, you seem very confused between using mobile devices to enjoy porn and using mobile devices in public to enjoy porn.

Your suggested JO locales from above were as follows:

"On the train?

At work? (Ever notice how many Windows NT accesses your site gets, BTW)

At the grocery store?"

Mobile porn means you can grab your phone wih your favorite movie clip and/or photo sets on it and take it in the bedroom if you want, the bathroom if you want, your girlfriends house if you want, anywhere. I have a fantastic TV in my living room, however I don't have a TV anywhere else in my house. I also don't have a PC in my bathroom. Dude, it will be a portable video mag, without walking out with a mag. You need to use your imagination here. And yes, screen sizes will get larger with higher rez, memory sizes will increase and network connections will get faster (please don't argue these). Those things are a given.


"But instead of just saying "it will be successful because it was successful on all these other mediums too" why don't you name one good solid reason why it will really take off on mobile phones?"

Well I must say that when sex can be offered in a different and new way and you combine that with the old addage "Sex sells!" my statement sorta works. However I will add a paragraph and one link for you as well.

The online/electronic adult content delivery industry will CONTINUE growing as a successfully and profitable industry with the help of the increasing market penetration of internet capable moble devices. The privacy and unassuming mobility of these devices will make transporting and viewing adult content on the road a much safer bet then transporting DVD's or charging an explicit movie to the users coroporate card. In addtion advancing mobile technologies such as represented in new mobile devices like Sony's PSP are taking portable video to whole new level. Based on the continued growth of the adult internet market, and the world's love of sex and technology, delivering adult content to mobile devices is a sure bet.

And read this if the above is insufficient.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=...ic_ringtones_dc (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=581&e=3&u=/nm/20050618/tc_nm/music_ringtones_dc)

[Timon]

Originally posted by gonzo@Jun 18 2005, 01:42 AM
Leave your heads in the sand... leaves more cash for the rest of us.
I think the concerns I raise are quite valid and that it is the opposite of having my head in the sand :)

I'm just really curious why people seem to think that mobile porn is going to be huge and it appears nobody is able to articulate it.

I'm not saying that it's not possible to make any money with mobile porn, what I am saying is that I believe it will be nowhere near the money the big paysites were making in 97, 98, 99. I am also saying there are indeed many mobile opportunities which will be huge and obscenely lucrative and that by focussing on porn people are missing the bigger picture. See the onion supermarket analogy ;-)

I'm not trying to be a dick, I'm trying to talk some sense into people ;-)

[Timon]

Originally posted by YanksTodd@Jun 18 2005, 02:35 AM
Screen sizes will get larger with higher rez, memory sizes will increase and network connections will get faster (please don't argue these)
I won't argue these except for one...

the age old dillema, people want bigger screens but smaller phones. Which do you think will win for the mass market ;-)

[YanksTodd]

Originally posted by Timon+Jun 17 2005, 11:36 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Timon @ Jun 17 2005, 11:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-gonzo@Jun 18 2005, 01:42 AM
Leave your heads in the sand... leaves more cash for the rest of us.
I think the concerns I raise are quite valid and that it is the opposite of having my head in the sand :)

I'm just really curious why people seem to think that mobile porn is going to be huge and it appears nobody is able to articulate it.

I'm not saying that it's not possible to make any money with mobile porn, what I am saying is that I believe it will be nowhere near the money the big paysites were making in 97, 98, 99. I am also saying there are indeed many mobile opportunities which will be huge and obscenely lucrative and that by focussing on porn people are missing the bigger picture. See the onion supermarket analogy ;-)

I'm not trying to be a dick, I'm trying to talk some sense into people ;-) [/b][/quote]
"I'm just really curious why people seem to think that mobile porn is going to be huge and it appears nobody is able to articulate it"

Last time I checked 1:16 wasn't bad


"what I am saying is that I believe it will be nowhere near the money the big paysites were making in 97, 98, 99"

Now that's a different story, then what you have been saying. :) Since mobile porn is a product of the internet of course it won't be as big as the internet's glory days, but it will be a lot of money for the people who get in early.

Articulation in my above post.

And I don't think your a dick, I very much like debating this. :) No hard feelings

[YanksTodd]

Originally posted by Timon+Jun 17 2005, 11:43 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Timon @ Jun 17 2005, 11:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-YanksTodd@Jun 18 2005, 02:35 AM
Screen sizes will get larger with higher rez, memory sizes will increase and network connections will get faster (please don't argue these)
I won't argue these except for one...

the age old dillema, people want bigger screens but smaller phones. Which do you think will win for the mass market ;-) [/b][/quote]
actually both, Have you ever seen that LCD fabric the Japanese are working on? Imagine in two or three years a pull tab with a ultra thin tri-fold screen that expands to 4.5" x 2". Razor thin phone, big screen. Never underestimate technology, they will find a way. :wnw:

[ColPanic]

Originally posted by Timon@Jun 17 2005, 11:36 PM
. I am also saying there are indeed many mobile opportunities which will be huge and obscenely lucrative and that by focussing on porn people are missing the bigger picture. See the onion supermarket analogy ;-)

Yes... there is also a lot of money to be made in real estate... but this is a porn board right?

:blink:

[Timon]

Originally posted by YanksTodd@Jun 18 2005, 02:44 AM
"what I am saying is that I believe it will be nowhere near the money the big paysites were making in 97, 98, 99"

Now that's a different story, then what you have been saying. :) Since mobile porn is a product of the internet of course it won't be as big as the internet's glory days, but it will be a lot of money for the people who get in early.

If you rewind back to my first post you'll see that's exactly what I'm saying, followed by some devils advocate arguments to get the discussion warmed up :)

I can see how someone sleeping at a place other than his own bedroom often would want to sneak some porn with him, I can also see how a mobile phone would be a very covert way of carrying porn for a teenage boy, but that's a niche market at best. Probably not a booming industry.


Now if I would venture into the mobile arena I would consider these things first:

Target audience:

What countries have some of the largest mobile content and software consumption? China, Indonesia, Turkey, India, Pakistan.... all countries where porn is illegal. China has two times more mobile phone users than the USA has citizens!! Selling mobile porn is like selling online porn without being able to take orders from the US.

Marketing:

How am I going to get Nokia, Motorola, SE etc. to preinstall my products on their handsets before they ship them? How am I going to get mobile phone distributors to install my products on their devices before they sell them to their retail stores? How am I going to get Vodafone, TMobile, Orange, Verizon etc. to market my products to their subscribers and do a revshare with me?

Not by selling a porn product! Do you think you can match the effectiveness of the above marketing strategies with your own website?


Ok maybe you will be able to make a living from a mobile porn site, but why limit your potential when there are so many other things you can develop and sell that can make a million times more money?

That's why I say, people who think mobile is going to be huge are on the right track but if they focus on adult they are missing the bigger picture :okthumb:

[Timon]

Originally posted by YanksTodd@Jun 18 2005, 02:47 AM
actually both, Have you ever seen that LCD fabric the Japanese are working on? Imagine in two or three years a pull tab with a ultra thin tri-fold screen that expands to 4.5" x 2". Razor thin phone, big screen. Never underestimate technology, they will find a way. :wnw:
Maybe they'll soon have contact lenses with a heads up display so you can see your mobile phone screen larger than live ;-)

Just don't bank your live savings on unannounced technology coming to market in the near future or you may go bankrupt waiting for your prophecy to come true ;-)

[Timon]

Originally posted by ColPanic+Jun 18 2005, 09:02 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ColPanic @ Jun 18 2005, 09:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Timon@Jun 17 2005, 11:36 PM
. I am also saying there are indeed many mobile opportunities which will be huge and obscenely lucrative and that by focussing on porn people are missing the bigger picture. See the onion supermarket analogy ;-)

Yes... there is also a lot of money to be made in real estate... but this is a porn board right?
[/b][/quote]
You don't want to make money if it's not from porn? ;-)

[SykkBoy]

Originally posted by Timon+Jun 18 2005, 11:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Timon @ Jun 18 2005, 11:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-YanksTodd@Jun 18 2005, 02:44 AM
"what I am saying is that I believe it will be nowhere near the money the big paysites were making in 97, 98, 99"

Now that's a different story, then what you have been saying. :) Since mobile porn is a product of the internet of course it won't be as big as the internet's glory days, but it will be a lot of money for the people who get in early.

If you rewind back to my first post you'll see that's exactly what I'm saying, followed by some devils advocate arguments to get the discussion warmed up :)

I can see how someone sleeping at a place other than his own bedroom often would want to sneak some porn with him, I can also see how a mobile phone would be a very covert way of carrying porn for a teenage boy, but that's a niche market at best. Probably not a booming industry.


Now if I would venture into the mobile arena I would consider these things first:

Target audience:

What countries have some of the largest mobile content and software consumption? China, Indonesia, Turkey, India, Pakistan.... all countries where porn is illegal. China has two times more mobile phone users than the USA has citizens!! Selling mobile porn is like selling online porn without being able to take orders from the US.

Marketing:

How am I going to get Nokia, Motorola, SE etc. to preinstall my products on their handsets before they ship them? How am I going to get mobile phone distributors to install my products on their devices before they sell them to their retail stores? How am I going to get Vodafone, TMobile, Orange, Verizon etc. to market my products to their subscribers and do a revshare with me?

Not by selling a porn product! Do you think you can match the effectiveness of the above marketing strategies with your own website?


Ok maybe you will be able to make a living from a mobile porn site, but why limit your potential when there are so many other things you can develop and sell that can make a million times more money?

That's why I say, people who think mobile is going to be huge are on the right track but if they focus on adult they are missing the bigger picture :okthumb: [/b][/quote]
excellent post

I'm not saying porn isn't going to make any money
there are some people who will make (pardon the pun) and obscene amount of money, but it's going to be very few (IMHO)

Newton's been one of the few to have a sneak peak into what we are doing and how we are differentiaiting from the standard ringtone/download guys.

We want to build strategic partnerships with the big carriers and can't do it by having porn in our portfolio (sure we could seperate them, but I'd rather concentrate on our niche). The key is to offer services that others aren't or aren't doing/as well as they could.

We've already lined up tentative deals where we merely act as a broker of specific content. We're working on strategic partnerships where we're not doing all of the marketing ourselves.

Anyone else who wants a sneak peak, wire me a $25K good faith deposit and I'll fax/fedex a full business plan (minus a couple new tech things that came up that can make us even better). ;-)

[SykkBoy]

I'm also in no hurry to deal with the inevitable government interference with mobile porn....

[YanksTodd]

Originally posted by Timon+Jun 18 2005, 08:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Timon @ Jun 18 2005, 08:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by ColPanic@Jun 18 2005, 09:02 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Timon@Jun 17 2005, 11:36 PM
. I am also saying there are indeed many mobile opportunities which will be huge and obscenely lucrative and that by focussing on porn people are missing the bigger picture. See the onion supermarket analogy ;-)

Yes... there is also a lot of money to be made in real estate... but this is a porn board right?

You don't want to make money if it's not from porn? ;-) [/b][/quote]
Timon, today is June 19 2005. Bump this post in a year and let's see where I am at. I think your arguments are weak at best, and all off them WITHOUT exception revolve around the status quo. Can you really make an argument that technology won't get there, that countries won't change politically, and company policies will remain stagnant. These things will change, and I will be there.

Actually I am going to agree with you, if the world stays the same I WILL fail, 100%.

I am one of the few people who has build a successfully branded affiliate program without having to rely on traffic, revenue and experiences I had in the 97-99 era, and I can tell you I did it by NOT doing what was known to work at the time.

I am well aware of what I need to do to make this work, and the obvious things you have mentioned are being considered and for the most part will come about.

I have never argued that adult content is the mobile industries first and only prioritty and that they wouldn't be focusing on other things. Once again your arguments are from and all or nothing standpoint.

"That's why I say, people who think mobile is going to be huge are on the right track but if they focus on adult they are missing the bigger picture"


OK Timon. Now actually answer this. What should I focus on? You are on an adult board, talking to an adult webmaster. Should I be selling soccer jerseys? Of course we have other adult orientated products in mind, however you must realize that jumping from industry to industry following trends is not a sucessful way to do things. However offering what you do well in other mediums and increased quality is. And lastly if "mobile is going to be huge" then certainly the growth of the XXX side of things will grow right along side of it.

[Timon]

Can you really make an argument that technology won't get there, that countries won't change politically, and company policies will remain stagnant. These things will change, and I will be there.

In the next 5 years China, Pakistan, Indonesia, Turkey, India and other countries where porn is illegal will not legalize porn.

In the next 5 years Nokia and other manufacturers will not pre-install porn on their devices before shipping.

In the next 5 years Verizon and other operators will not market pornography directly to their subscribers.

In the next 5 years there won't be any significant increase in screensize technology at an end user affordable mass market scale.

If you believe otherwise and are banking on any of the above to happen within the next 5 years you are living in dreamland.

OK Timon. Now actually answer this. What should I focus on?

If you have to ask then you don't deserve to know ;-))

You are on an adult board, talking to an adult webmaster.

It's a shame you see it that way. People who see this as a business board and see themselves as a businessman rather than a pornographer have so much more potential :okthumb:

[Newton]

Adult will be only a small, but very lucrative tip of the mobile market, the main money is in mainstream and always will be. Doesnt hurt to have fingers in all pies ;)

[Timon]

Originally posted by Newton@Jun 20 2005, 07:01 AM
Adult will be only a small, but very lucrative tip of the mobile market, the main money is in mainstream and always will be. Doesnt hurt to have fingers in all pies ;)
Definitely, nothing wrong with doing adult if you approach it from that perspective :okthumb:

[YanksTodd]

Originally posted by Timon@Jun 19 2005, 11:05 PM
Can you really make an argument that technology won't get there, that countries won't change politically, and company policies will remain stagnant. These things will change, and I will be there.

In the next 5 years China, Pakistan, Indonesia, Turkey, India and other countries where porn is illegal will not legalize porn.

In the next 5 years Nokia and other manufacturers will not pre-install porn on their devices before shipping.

In the next 5 years Verizon and other operators will not market pornography directly to their subscribers.

In the next 5 years there won't be any significant increase in screensize technology at an end user affordable mass market scale.

If you believe otherwise and are banking on any of the above to happen within the next 5 years you are living in dreamland.

OK Timon. Now actually answer this. What should I focus on?

If you have to ask then you don't deserve to know ;-))

You are on an adult board, talking to an adult webmaster.

It's a shame you see it that way. People who see this as a business board and see themselves as a businessman rather than a pornographer have so much more potential :okthumb:
"In the next 5 years there won't be any significant increase in screensize technology at an end user affordable mass market scale"

HAHAHAHAHAHA


"It's a shame you see it that way. People who see this as a business board and see themselves as a businessman rather than a pornographer have so much more potential :okthumb:"


Actually I am quite proud to be both a pornographer and a business man. However I am noticing you are retreating to subtle insults and pure fantasy in substitution of an actual argument.

[Rolo]

IMO, First-Mover advantage is for the most overrated - unless you can patent your idea/concept/product or buy the land/property. That doesn´t mean you shouldn´t try and invest if you belive in the idea, but you should know that once the money is there, then competition will be fierce.

So rule of thumb - you need to make high margin profits today, so that you will have money, when the market evolves into the next level (unless you are looking to cashout at that time ;-)))

[Timon]

"In the next 5 years there won't be any significant increase in screensize technology at an end user affordable mass market scale"

HAHAHAHAHAHA

What's so funny?

Are you telling me that you believe that the majority of cellphones will have an expandable fabric screen within 5 years from now so instead of focussing your business on what is available now you are banking on that happening?

Then I'll retreat to a not so subtle insult, you're a moron ;-)

[Rolo]

South Korea is a minimum of 6-24 months ahead of europe/us, when it comes to mobile technology. So if you can spot any new major development in the mobile technology/usage in South Korea, then you have lots of time to get ready in the US or Europe ;-)

Here is some of the latest I could find from South Korea:

http://laptopmag.com/Features/The-Seoul-of...-Cell-Phone.htm (http://laptopmag.com/Features/The-Seoul-of-the-Cell-Phone.htm)

or bookmark http://www.sec.co.kr/ and visit that site once every year, so you know what is coming ;-))

[YanksTodd]

Originally posted by Timon@Jun 20 2005, 09:21 PM
"In the next 5 years there won't be any significant increase in screensize technology at an end user affordable mass market scale"

HAHAHAHAHAHA

What's so funny?

Are you telling me that you believe that the majority of cellphones will have an expandable fabric screen within 5 years from now so instead of focussing your business on what is available now you are banking on that happening?

Then I'll retreat to a not so subtle insult, you're a moron ;-)
I was just pointing to those as an example. But you saying there will be no "SIGNIFICANT" screen size changes, in 5 years. That is funny.

For the record I don't think there will be theater size screeens that pop out of your phone like a switch blade. However no significant change is NOT possible. Have you seen the PSP screen?

:awinky:

[ColPanic]

Originally posted by Timon@Jun 20 2005, 09:21 PM
"In the next 5 years there won't be any significant increase in screensize technology at an end user affordable mass market scale"

HAHAHAHAHAHA

What's so funny?

Are you telling me that you believe that the majority of cellphones will have an expandable fabric screen within 5 years from now so instead of focussing your business on what is available now you are banking on that happening?

Then I'll retreat to a not so subtle insult, you're a moron ;-)
Holy ongoing thread batman!

My question is, Timon, why are you spending so much time talking about things you clearly don't have a handle on?

Shouldn't you be out doing something more lucrative, like selling cars or whatever you do?

If we agree with you, will you shut up? Fine, you are right. People who waste their time selling porn don't get it. All the money is in mainstream... nothing to see here.

Good luck working on your ringtone, or whatever your big mobile idea is. ;)

[Timon]

Originally posted by ColPanic@Jun 21 2005, 12:05 PM
My question is, Timon, why are you spending so much time talking about things you clearly don't have a handle on?

Shouldn't you be out doing something more lucrative, like selling cars or whatever you do?
Because I got annoyed by all the folks on here talking about mobile porn like it's this huge thing on the horizon that is going to eclipse the i-porn boom of 96/97, total nonsense IMO.

And for the record I sell boats, really fucking big ones ;-)

[Timon]

Originally posted by YanksTodd@Jun 21 2005, 12:02 PM

I was just pointing to those as an example. But you saying there will be no "SIGNIFICANT" screen size changes, in 5 years. That is funny.


People want small phones that are comfortable in their pocket and I don't see how in the 5 next years there is going to be some breakthrough that is going to make a screen expand significantly larger than the small mobile phone it is attached to. The technology may be developed but it is not going to be available at an end user affordable mass market scale.

However no significant change is NOT possible. Have you seen the PSP screen?

Have you seen those cool Fujitsu 60" plasma screens? Both the 60" plasma and the 7" PSP are bigger than what the average Joe wants to have in his sweaty pocket all day.

[Timon]

Here's something interesting, I got this from overture bids tool:


Searches for "mobile porn" in April 2005

Count Search Term
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110 mobile porn video
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53 clip mobile porn
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Searches for "ringtones" April 2005

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Kind of a contrast with the Internet in its early days where everyone was searching for porn isn't it? :blink:

[ColPanic]

Originally posted by Timon+Jun 21 2005, 03:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Timon @ Jun 21 2005, 03:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-ColPanic@Jun 21 2005, 12:05 PM
My question is, Timon, why are you spending so much time talking about things you clearly don't have a handle on?

Shouldn't you be out doing something more lucrative, like selling cars or whatever you do?
Because I got annoyed by all the folks on here talking about mobile porn like it's this huge thing on the horizon that is going to eclipse the i-porn boom of 96/97, total nonsense IMO.

And for the record I sell boats, really fucking big ones ;-) [/b][/quote]

Are they big, USED boats by chance? It would explain a few things about the way you make an argument.. lots of meaningless numbers and garbage.
:nyanya:

Show me the post where anyone said that mobile porn was like internet porn in 96, 97 and I'll shut up, otherwise, the only nonsense is coming from you.

It's really not worth posting anymore in this thread, since your biggest revelation seems to be that the term "ringtone" is more important than "mobile porn", but nobody here needs a degree in boat sales to get that.

Good luck ;)

[Timon]

Are they big, USED boats by chance? It would explain a few things about the way you make an argument.. lots of meaningless numbers and garbage.

New boats only ;-)

And the only one who has stated any common sense arguments in this thread is me. After explaining why it is impossible to market mobile porn on an as large a scale as non adult content, and why it is impossible to even sell porn to 90% of the market, the best come back you guys can come up with is "sex sells" and "it did really well on the www and dvd so it must do well on mobile too" :rolleyes:

It's really not worth posting anymore in this thread, since your biggest revelation seems to be that the term "ringtone" is more important than "mobile porn", but nobody here needs a degree in boat sales to get that.


The biggest revelation is that besides from not being able to sell mobile porn to 90% of the market nobody is even interested in mobile porn, eventhough there is a very high interest in mobile content, even higher than in online porn.

Did you know there are more searches for the word "ringtone" than the word "porn"? I find that very significant indeed.

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