Lightspeed up for sale ?

[sarettah]

From a thread over at Lenses, looks like Steve Lightspeed is testing the waters to see what he might be able to get out of it.

Sounds, if he is serious and I have no reason to believe he isn't, as if he wants to go the MikeAI route and get out on top, take his money and retire.

So, how much you thinking Lightspeed might be worth ? :blink:

[Nickatilynx]

Hard to sell a program.

Lots of variables.

Memebers , processing 3rd party or easily transferred merchant...

Tough to work out a fair price IMHO.

He is probably just fucking round , anyone selling something like that would probably be doing it off boards through approaching people privately.

[Mike AI]

Nick is right. Lightspeed is not worth much, Steve knows the herd has come to the niche, and every bit of green grass that is left will be chewed up soon.

Running paysites is the toughest segment in the industry.

That is why traffic will always be king.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Mike AI@May 11 2005, 08:27 PM


That is why traffic will always be king.
Amen , brother :)

[Dravyk]

Toooo funny!!

Steve is a master showman. :wnw:

[Hell Puppy]

In the current climate, you cant sell a paysite, let alone an entire program and get the true value from it. It'll always be worth more to the person holding it than the person buying it due to risk factors.

The person who is currently holding the program has already made his/her capital investments. If it's at least cash flow positive, he's out nothing to stand pat.

The would-be buyer on the other hand is going to be out whatever the purchase price is. He's putting at least that much at risk. Now this is true of any business purchase. However, you normally price it at something like 3 times annual revenue. You can reasonably predict how much the cash flow is and how long it'll take to make it all back. The catch with adult is at any time any number of factors could cause extremely adversal effects to your income string. Visa could change the rules again, the Feds could go after any website with an exposed tit outside of a members area, or any other number of scenarios.

And even under the best case scenarios I dont think you can assume you'll run an adult business the same way 3 years from now that you run it right now. So the results are not predictable under any circumstances.

The end result of all of this, is you want out, you basically let it go at firesale pricing and enjoy what you earned in years past.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Mike AI@May 11 2005, 11:27 PM
Nick is right. Lightspeed is not worth much, Steve knows the herd has come to the niche, and every bit of green grass that is left will be chewed up soon.

Running paysites is the toughest segment in the industry.

That is why traffic will always be king.
Steve, stay away from wine after you sell LS....
:)

[Sabby]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+May 11 2005, 11:28 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ May 11 2005, 11:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mike AI@May 11 2005, 08:27 PM


That is why traffic will always be king.
Amen , brother :) [/b][/quote]
Yeah but shit happens with traffic income too.

Traffic sources change, that game and the rules are always changing...

I dunno how long I can keep milking the anorexic cash cow of online porn (please no skinny Sabby jokes guys, LOL). But I gotta stay... I still need more capital to start other things I want to do (Offline). So I will continue with this as long as I am making a decent income (by my standards). If I thought I could make more money doing something else I would. I havent found any greener grass to feed the cow at this point.

I certainly wouldnt be brave enough to invest too much money into anything porn related though - other than my basic operational expenses to keep myself going now.


Sabby:)

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Sabby@May 12 2005, 03:09 AM
other than my basic operational expenses to keep myself going now.


Sabby:)
I thought you keep yourself going on a glass of water a day
:)

[Sabby]

Originally posted by Winetalk.com+May 12 2005, 03:16 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Winetalk.com @ May 12 2005, 03:16 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Sabby@May 12 2005, 03:09 AM
other than my basic operational expenses to keep myself going now.


Sabby:)
I thought you keep yourself going on a glass of water a day
:) [/b][/quote]
And maybe you should cut back on the wine.

It makes you obnoxious.


Sabby:)

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Sabby+May 12 2005, 04:14 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Sabby @ May 12 2005, 04:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Winetalk.com@May 12 2005, 03:16 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Sabby@May 12 2005, 03:09 AM
other than my basic operational expenses to keep myself going now.


Sabby:)
I thought you keep yourself going on a glass of water a day
:)
And maybe you should cut back on the wine.

It makes you obnoxious.


Sabby:) [/b][/quote]
are you telling me that before wine I was a "teddy bear"?

ha!

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by Dravyk@May 12 2005, 12:14 AM
Toooo funny!!

Steve is a master showman. :wnw:


Steve is hurting. Trust me I feel his pain.

There is no way he could sell for anything reasonable, I think he would be smarter sitting back and developing some new business angles. He has a lot of assets, if he redeploys them, thinks out of the box he could possibly make a lot more money with a lot less headaches.

It can be done, but it won't be easy.

[TondaB]

Everything is for sale...for the right price:)

[Biggy]

MikeAI knows what he is talking about.

[Biggy]

Originally posted by Mike AI@May 11 2005, 08:27 PM
Nick is right. Lightspeed is not worth much, Steve knows the herd has come to the niche, and every bit of green grass that is left will be chewed up soon.

Running paysites is the toughest segment in the industry.

That is why traffic will always be king.
:pearl:

[Vick]

If someone wanted out .....

well you might let another entity take over and run the operation for a share of the profits

or something like that :awinky:

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by TondaB@May 12 2005, 10:13 AM
Everything is for sale...for the right price:)
I am an old perve and I have to ask...
how much is for you?
:)

[Sabby]

Originally posted by Winetalk.com+May 12 2005, 05:57 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Winetalk.com @ May 12 2005, 05:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Sabby@May 12 2005, 04:14 AM
Originally posted by Winetalk.com@May 12 2005, 03:16 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Sabby@May 12 2005, 03:09 AM
other than my basic operational expenses to keep myself going now.


Sabby:)
I thought you keep yourself going on a glass of water a day
:)
And maybe you should cut back on the wine.

It makes you obnoxious.


Sabby:)
are you telling me that before wine I was a "teddy bear"?

ha! [/b][/quote]
I thought so, yes :)

But then your hardon was never constantly aimed at me before either.

Can you not find someone else to annoy??


Sabby:)

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Sabby+May 12 2005, 11:47 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Sabby @ May 12 2005, 11:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Winetalk.com@May 12 2005, 05:57 AM
Originally posted by Sabby@May 12 2005, 04:14 AM
Originally posted by Winetalk.com@May 12 2005, 03:16 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Sabby@May 12 2005, 03:09 AM
other than my basic operational expenses to keep myself going now.


Sabby:)
I thought you keep yourself going on a glass of water a day
:)
And maybe you should cut back on the wine.

It makes you obnoxious.


Sabby:)
are you telling me that before wine I was a "teddy bear"?

ha!
I thought so, yes :)

But then your hardon was never constantly aimed at me before either.

Can you not find someone else to annoy??


Sabby:) [/b][/quote]
Sabby,
can you take rejection with a smile? You are not my type!

(1/2 way, in skinny department, the other 1/2 in "smart" department is fine, but....the skinny part is still 51% ;)


if I annoy you - I am sorry....shux, whom am I kidding??? People whom I annoyed were always my best customers
:)

[*KK*]

I dont think Lightspeed is unsaleable, I just dont think Steve would get anywhere near what it should be worth. Basically you'd have to have a buyer that understood the niche for starters, and then had the cash to pay for it.

Next you'd also have to realize that when you go to sell something, a revshare affiliate basis goes into the liabilities column, not the assets one...

[DrGuile]

Originally posted by *KK*@May 12 2005, 12:38 PM
Next you'd also have to realize that when you go to sell something, a revshare affiliate basis goes into the liabilities column, not the assets one...
If he wants to retire, Steve can just close the affiliate program, stop paying recurring, and cash-in on the rebills, untracked signups, and old links that will never be removed...

and, of course, unplug his phone... ; )

[Sabby]

Originally posted by Winetalk.com+May 12 2005, 11:57 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Winetalk.com @ May 12 2005, 11:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Sabby@May 12 2005, 11:47 AM
Originally posted by Winetalk.com@May 12 2005, 05:57 AM
Originally posted by Sabby@May 12 2005, 04:14 AM
Originally posted by Winetalk.com@May 12 2005, 03:16 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Sabby@May 12 2005, 03:09 AM
other than my basic operational expenses to keep myself going now.


Sabby:)
I thought you keep yourself going on a glass of water a day
:)
And maybe you should cut back on the wine.

It makes you obnoxious.


Sabby:)
are you telling me that before wine I was a "teddy bear"?

ha!
I thought so, yes :)

But then your hardon was never constantly aimed at me before either.

Can you not find someone else to annoy??


Sabby:)
Sabby,
can you take rejection with a smile? You are not my type!

(1/2 way, in skinny department, the other 1/2 in "smart" department is fine, but....the skinny part is still 51% ;)


if I annoy you - I am sorry....shux, whom am I kidding??? People whom I annoyed were always my best customers
:) [/b][/quote]
And YOU Serge are not my type either.

(1/2 way, in crazy old man department, the other 1/2 in "rich old man" department is fine, but....the crazy part is still 51% ;)

Yes you annoy me. And Im not even your customer!!!


Sabby:)

[Jesse_DD]

I am not sure posting on GFY is the right place to sell a program if you are serious about doing so.

But ?

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Sabby@May 12 2005, 12:54 PM

And YOU Serge are not my type either.

(1/2 way, in crazy old man department, the other 1/2 in "rich old man" department is fine, but....the crazy part is still 51% ;)

Yes you annoy me. And Im not even your customer!!!


Sabby:)
Sabby, if you don't appreciate the crazy part, you are boring. "Crazy" is a spice of life.
:)

as for not being my "customer", if I was doing business, you'd be making money for me as we speak. Actually....you do, but I won't elaborate how.
:)

[Sabby]

Originally posted by Winetalk.com+May 12 2005, 01:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Winetalk.com @ May 12 2005, 01:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Sabby@May 12 2005, 12:54 PM

And YOU Serge are not my type either.

(1/2 way, in crazy old man department, the other 1/2 in "rich old man" department is fine, but....the crazy part is still 51% ;)

Yes you annoy me. And Im not even your customer!!!


Sabby:)
Sabby, if you don't appreciate the crazy part, you are boring. "Crazy" is a spice of life.
:)

as for not being my "customer", if I was doing business, you'd be making money for me as we speak. Actually....you do, but I won't elaborate how.
:) [/b][/quote]
No need to elaborate I think I got it.

The crazy old man is right. I am humoring him so he can whore his sig.

Im not really a customer though its more like charity work.

The only thing worse than a crazy old man is a lonely crazy old man ;)


Sabby:)

[Winetalk.com]

Sabby, you are a bitter midle age woman with a skinny, bony ass. MikeAI and Katie will be here in 2 hours, tomorrow, while you wiggle your ass and collecting cents per wiggle, we will be in Spain, drinking wine, exploring Prado and meeting with old female friends with net worth in over 10 mils, and who've done it without lifting their labias on the cameras or stuffing their ass holes with bottles...by selling broads like you by dozens.
:)


...and how is your week shaping, sweety?
;)

[RyanLanane]

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/ is down apparently...

[Jeremy]

Originally posted by Jesse_DD@May 12 2005, 10:05 AM
I am not sure posting on GFY is the right place to sell a program if you are serious about doing so.

But ?
But it gives you completely plausible deniability and word reaches ears that you could possibly be thinking about selling.

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by *KK*@May 12 2005, 12:38 PM
I dont think Lightspeed is unsaleable, I just dont think Steve would get anywhere near what it should be worth. Basically you'd have to have a buyer that understood the niche for starters, and then had the cash to pay for it.

Next you'd also have to realize that when you go to sell something, a revshare affiliate basis goes into the liabilities column, not the assets one...


Ebay has proven that there is a buyer for ANYTHING!!

[Biggy]

Originally posted by Winetalk.com@May 12 2005, 10:27 AM
Sabby, you are a bitter midle age woman with a skinny, bony ass. MikeAI and Katie will be here in 2 hours, tomorrow, while you wiggle your ass and collecting cents per wiggle, we will be in Spain, drinking wine, exploring Prado and meeting with old female friends with net worth in over 10 mils, and who've done it without lifting their labias on the cameras or stuffing their ass holes with bottles...by selling broads like you by dozens.
:)


...and how is your week shaping, sweety?
;)
a novel writer in his finest day... :)

[grimm]

Originally posted by Jesse_DD@May 12 2005, 10:05 AM
I am not sure posting on GFY is the right place to sell a program if you are serious about doing so.

But ?
you might get a supra and some fan signs for it.

[Dravyk]

Originally posted by Jesse_DD@May 12 2005, 01:05 PM
I am not sure posting on GFY is the right place to sell a program if you are serious about doing so.

But ?
Operative phrase: "if you are serious" Again, this thread is too funny!

... And proof that anyone can be smoked and reflected no matter how long they've been around.

:biglaugh:

[Sabby]

Originally posted by Winetalk.com@May 12 2005, 01:27 PM
Sabby, you are a bitter midle age woman with a skinny, bony ass. MikeAI and Katie will be here in 2 hours, tomorrow, while you wiggle your ass and collecting cents per wiggle, we will be in Spain, drinking wine, exploring Prado and meeting with old female friends with net worth in over 10 mils, and who've done it without lifting their labias on the cameras or stuffing their ass holes with bottles...by selling broads like you by dozens.
:)


...and how is your week shaping, sweety?
;)
Great. Have fun!

BTW... I know exactly what you are trying to do and why you keep trying to pick fights with me on this board.


Sabby:)

[Sabby]

I think J'smoron has returned to Oprano...

Reincarnated as Serge!!!

hahaha


Sabby:)

[Sabby]

And sweetie...

If you REALLY do want to annoy me try this...

Drunk ICQ me and talk endless bullshit to me. Then post some drowning and rape videos.

That really does irritate me.


Sabby:)

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Sabby@May 14 2005, 06:46 PM
And sweetie...

If you REALLY do want to annoy me try this...

Drunk ICQ me and talk endless bullshit to me. Then post some drowning and rape videos.

That really does irritate me.


Sabby:)
[Summit closure]

Sabby have you goten any of my emails?
Ive sent you a logo and some music loops as well s DNS information.