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Aly_AVN
05-04-2005, 01:22 PM
Internext: The New Seminar Committee Wants Your Feedback!
In order to create a seminar program for Internext that is timely, compelling and informative, and best addresses the needs and issues of those working in our industry, we’ve put together an Internext seminar committee that includes some industry notables who are very respected for their knowledge of and participation in the industry.
In bringing non-AVN/ Internext people onboard, as well as actively soliciting feedback from attendees, this summer’s seminar program promises to exceed the current expectations of all who attend!
MEET THE TEAM!
The Internext Seminar team is comprised of the following people:
Chandie Foster - www.JennaCash.com (http://www.jennacash.com)/ www.AdultProfitNetwork.com (http://www.AdultProfitNetwork.com)
Philip Brandes - www.AdultProfitNetwork.com (http://www.AdultProfitNetwork.com)
Chad Beecher - www.InternextConference.com (http://www.InternextConference.com)
Tony Lovett - Managing Editor, www.AVNOnline.com (http://www.AVNOnline.com)
Aly Drummond - Director of Online Marketing, AVN (http://www.AVNOnline.com)
Through feedback analysis and team discussion, we’re currently solidifying which seminar topics to include in the Summer Conference program (not Traffic-101); who to include in seminar participation for each topic; and what the best format for seminars would be.
SHARE YOUR IDEAS!
The diversity and collective experience of this team should lead us to taking Internext seminars to a whole new level, but we also want to hear from YOU!
Speak up and share your ideas and opinions with us.
Enter to win TWO PASSES* to the Summer Internext Conference, or submit your feedback anonymously, it’s up to you, but do it HERE (http://www.zoomerang.com/survey.zgi?p=WEB224B22NB63N)!
*The first 50 completed surveys will be entered into a draw to win 2 passes to this Summer’s Internext Conference.
The first 100 completed surveys will be entered into a second draw to win 2 passes to this Summer’s Internext Conference.
This draw does not allow for refunding passes that have already been purchased.
BE A PANELIST!
We’re looking for industry leaders and brilliant minds to participate in our seminar program. If you’re interested in being a presenter, panelist and/or moderator, please fill in the online application form at: http://www.internextconference.com/seminar...ome_speaker.php (http://www.internextconference.com/seminars/become_speaker.php)
We also encourage you to forward the panelist link to anybody you think would be a positive addition to the Internext Seminar program.
THANK YOU!
The Internext Summer Conference is on August 5-7, 2005 in Hollywood, Florida.
Visit the website at www.InternextConference.com (http://www.InternextConference.com) for further details!
BillPMB
05-04-2005, 01:24 PM
They wouldn't want me, I don't know anything. :nyanya:
KevinG
05-04-2005, 02:11 PM
I think legal and traffic are always important seminar topics. What did you mean in your post, Aly, when you say (not traffic 101)?
Do you mean that is an overdone topic, so it won't be included, or that it's always requested, so don't request it as it's on the list already?
I'd like to see a good seminar on marketing and traffic, where different areas of promotion and traffic are discussed, such as:
1. Using cheap bulk traffic - what is the best way to use it, and what shouldn't you do with it.
2. Paid online advertising - banners and text links. A primer on how to plan, manage and judge the results of an ad campaign.
3. Basic SEO - how to have search engine friendly pages - basics - not in-depth, as that's a seminar in itself.
4. Press Release writing and distribution.
5. Posting on boards.
Now that I've posted those ideas, can you put my application on the top of the pile to speak on the panel? :awinky:
Nickatilynx
05-04-2005, 02:16 PM
I'd happily be on a panel.
However I will refer to my other panelists as "homos"
I wil also refer to all the attendees as homos..
"Hi I am nickatilynx , from Oprano , and along with these Homos sitting beside me I am happy to answer any fucking moronic question you homos wanna ask"
:)
leedsfan
05-04-2005, 02:20 PM
Originally posted by Nickatilynx@May 4 2005, 10:17 AM
I'd happily be on a panel.
However I will refer to my other panelists as "homos"
I wil also refer to all the attendees as homos..
"Hi I am nickatilynx , from Oprano , and along with these Homos sitting beside me I am happy to answer any fucking moronic question you homos wanna ask"
:)
sounds like you'd be the right choice as a panelist for "Homo Idol"
KevinG
05-04-2005, 02:25 PM
lol Nick. I'll vote for you being on a panel.
Nickatilynx
05-04-2005, 02:25 PM
Originally posted by KevinG@May 4 2005, 10:26 AM
lol Nick. I'll vote for you being on a panel.
HOMO!!
;-)
Originally posted by KevinG@May 4 2005, 07:26 PM
lol Nick. I'll vote for you being on a panel.
I'd second it.
Would be the best seminar ever... empty after 10 minutes of "I don't give a fuck you moron", but still the best ever :lol:
gonzo
05-04-2005, 03:05 PM
Originally posted by Nickatilynx@May 4 2005, 01:17 PM
I'd happily be on a panel.
However I will refer to my other panelists as "homos"
I wil also refer to all the attendees as homos..
"Hi I am nickatilynx , from Oprano , and along with these Homos sitting beside me I am happy to answer any fucking moronic question you homos wanna ask"
:)
I paln to use that and substitute my name for yours when on the panel in San Diego.
grimm
05-04-2005, 09:21 PM
Originally posted by Nickatilynx@May 4 2005, 10:17 AM
I'd happily be on a panel.
However I will refer to my other panelists as "homos"
I wil also refer to all the attendees as homos..
"Hi I am nickatilynx , from Oprano , and along with these Homos sitting beside me I am happy to answer any fucking moronic question you homos wanna ask"
:)
oh yeah, ill go on a panel with you nick.
They need to check ID's at the door so noone under 18 gets in:)
Nickatilynx
05-04-2005, 09:31 PM
Originally posted by grimm+May 4 2005, 05:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (grimm @ May 4 2005, 05:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@May 4 2005, 10:17 AM
I'd happily be on a panel.
However I will refer to my other panelists as "homos"
I wil also refer to all the attendees as homos..
"Hi I am nickatilynx , from Oprano , and along with these Homos sitting beside me I am happy to answer any fucking moronic question you homos wanna ask"
:)
oh yeah, ill go on a panel with you nick.
They need to check ID's at the door so noone under 18 gets in:) [/b][/quote]
That would be sweeet!!!! LOL
:)
Dravyk
05-05-2005, 12:57 AM
What we'll never see ...
The REAL Way to Make $$$ in Adult Seminar
"Ok, part 1, ask for links, then tell them you forgot to link back because your father just died .... string them along for at least six months, that will get you locked into Google, and so when they take your link off it's too late.
"Part 4, get 20 servers in Hondoruas and 500 open proxies ...."
"Part 7, open up a click affiliate program. Now the secret here is how you define a unique. I call all surfers one unqiue, myself ..."
"Part 10, have you ever heard of a toolbar? ..."
Mike AI
05-05-2005, 10:01 AM
Originally posted by Dravyk@May 4 2005, 11:58 PM
What we'll never see ...
The REAL Way to Make $$$ in Adult Seminar
"Ok, part 1, ask for links, then tell them you forgot to link back because your father just died .... string them along for at least six months, that will get you locked into Google, and so when they take your link off it's too late.
"Part 4, get 20 servers in Hondoruas and 500 open proxies ...."
"Part 7, open up a click affiliate program. Now the secret here is how you define a unique. I call all surfers one unqiue, myself ..."
"Part 10, have you ever heard of a toolbar? ..."
Drav is getting witty and pithy in his old age.
I like it! :okthumb:
Nickatilynx
05-05-2005, 11:30 AM
""""Part 4, get 20 servers in Hondoruas and 500 open proxies ...."
As usual Drav , behind the times as usual, that was how to make money through mail in 2002... ;-))
How you make money with mail now is very very different. :)
Oh and with 20 servers...you'll need a lot , a hell of a lot more proxies :)
How about a seminar for newbies on how to avoid being stiffed for $250 for an Internext Pass?
Id think a lot of them would love to learn how to do that :yowsa:
The only problem is, most of the newbies wont be there to learn the lesson, because they wont be able to afford the pass LOL
Nickatilynx
05-05-2005, 11:45 AM
Another thing might be to get panellists who are at the top of the game.
SEO specialists on SE panels getting 100k plus hits a day
Fuck lawyers....Why use a "internet porn" lawyer? He's a porn lawyer cause the REAL good ones wouldn't touch it .I'm lucky I retained counsel ..THEN told them it was internet ;-)))
gonzo
05-05-2005, 11:58 AM
Originally posted by Nickatilynx@May 5 2005, 10:46 AM
Another thing might be to get panellists who are at the top of the game.
SEO specialists on SE panels getting 100k plus hits a day
Fuck lawyers....Why use a "internet porn" lawyer? He's a porn lawyer cause the REAL good ones wouldn't touch it .I'm lucky I retained counsel ..THEN told them it was internet ;-)))
SEguru isnt on the top of his game? He told me he could optimize our radio stream for google for 10K a day.
Dravyk
05-05-2005, 12:36 PM
Originally posted by Nickatilynx@May 5 2005, 10:31 AM
""""Part 4, get 20 servers in Hondoruas and 500 open proxies ...."
As usual Drav , behind the times as usual, that was how to make money through mail in 2002... ;-))
How you make money with mail now is very very different. :)
Oh and with 20 servers...you'll need a lot , a hell of a lot more proxies :)
Well, I thought part of lecturing was "not telling it all". LOL
Drav is getting witty and pithy in his old age.
I like it!
LOL! Thanks Mike!
SEguru isnt on the top of his game? He told me he could optimize our radio stream for google for 10K a day.
Does that include podcasting? :)
Aly_AVN
05-05-2005, 02:54 PM
:yowsa: THANKS for all the feedback, guys!
LMAO... LMAO.... still LMAO.. oy vey... LMAO...
Okay... I totally want to implement Dravyk's seminar idea, and you know I know exactly who to put up there! LOLOLOL... Too funny.
Lee, smart newbies might just find a way to scrape together $250 to learn something new.
The others...? Well, I'll leave it to you to show them how to be a huge success in this industry. Good luck with that! :okthumb:
Originally posted by Aly_AVN@May 5 2005, 10:55 AM
smart newbies might just find a way to scrape together $250 to learn something new.
Is that before or after they have to scrape together the $1000 for airfare + hotel?
Aly_AVN
05-05-2005, 03:04 PM
Originally posted by Lee+May 5 2005, 11:00 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lee @ May 5 2005, 11:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Aly_AVN@May 5 2005, 10:55 AM
smart newbies might just find a way to scrape together $250 to learn something new.
Is that before or after they have to scrape together the $1000 for airfare + hotel? [/b][/quote]
That's entirely up to them my dear. I've wracked my head over this and I'm not sure buying one before the other really makes a difference, does it?
Hell Puppy
05-06-2005, 01:08 AM
Originally posted by Nickatilynx@May 5 2005, 10:46 AM
Another thing might be to get panellists who are at the top of the game.
SEO specialists on SE panels getting 100k plus hits a day
Fuck lawyers....Why use a "internet porn" lawyer? He's a porn lawyer cause the REAL good ones wouldn't touch it .I'm lucky I retained counsel ..THEN told them it was internet ;-)))
Ok, so what's the incentive for someone doing 100K a day in SE traffic to let anyone pick his/her brain?
No question that's a compelling seminar for everyone trying to figure out how to garner SE traffic, but why would anyone who knows what they're doing at it share their secrets?
As Hannibal says "quid pro quo"
Originally posted by Hell Puppy+May 5 2005, 09:09 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hell Puppy @ May 5 2005, 09:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@May 5 2005, 10:46 AM
Another thing might be to get panellists who are at the top of the game.
SEO specialists on SE panels getting 100k plus hits a day
Fuck lawyers....Why use a "internet porn" lawyer? He's a porn lawyer cause the REAL good ones wouldn't touch it .I'm lucky I retained counsel ..THEN told them it was internet ;-)))
Ok, so what's the incentive for someone doing 100K a day in SE traffic to let anyone pick his/her brain?
No question that's a compelling seminar for everyone trying to figure out how to garner SE traffic, but why would anyone who knows what they're doing at it share their secrets?
As Hannibal says "quid pro quo"[/b][/quote]
i think the real question is:
"why should anyone bother attending an increasingly expensive event with lower and lower turnouts, when even the organizers are reduced to trolling messageboards for ideas"
:blink:
Originally posted by JR+May 5 2005, 09:27 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JR @ May 5 2005, 09:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Hell Puppy@May 5 2005, 09:09 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@May 5 2005, 10:46 AM
Another thing might be to get panellists who are at the top of the game.
SEO specialists on SE panels getting 100k plus hits a day
Fuck lawyers....Why use a "internet porn" lawyer? He's a porn lawyer cause the REAL good ones wouldn't touch it .I'm lucky I retained counsel ..THEN told them it was internet ;-)))
Ok, so what's the incentive for someone doing 100K a day in SE traffic to let anyone pick his/her brain?
No question that's a compelling seminar for everyone trying to figure out how to garner SE traffic, but why would anyone who knows what they're doing at it share their secrets?
As Hannibal says "quid pro quo"
i think the real question is:
"why should anyone bother attending an increasingly expensive event with lower and lower turnouts, when even the organizers are reduced to trolling messageboards for ideas"
:blink: [/b][/quote]
Well duh...
Because if no-one attended it would be the end of Internext and AVN wouldnt make any money from webmasters.
Newton
05-06-2005, 01:43 AM
Originally posted by Lee+May 5 2005, 09:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lee @ May 5 2005, 09:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by JR@May 5 2005, 09:27 PM
Originally posted by Hell Puppy@May 5 2005, 09:09 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@May 5 2005, 10:46 AM
Another thing might be to get panellists who are at the top of the game.
SEO specialists on SE panels getting 100k plus hits a day
Fuck lawyers....Why use a "internet porn" lawyer? He's a porn lawyer cause the REAL good ones wouldn't touch it .I'm lucky I retained counsel ..THEN told them it was internet ;-)))
Ok, so what's the incentive for someone doing 100K a day in SE traffic to let anyone pick his/her brain?
No question that's a compelling seminar for everyone trying to figure out how to garner SE traffic, but why would anyone who knows what they're doing at it share their secrets?
As Hannibal says "quid pro quo"
i think the real question is:
"why should anyone bother attending an increasingly expensive event with lower and lower turnouts, when even the organizers are reduced to trolling messageboards for ideas"
:blink:
Well duh...
Because if no-one attended it would be the end of Internext and AVN wouldnt make any money from webmasters.[/b][/quote]
http://www.xxxamigoz.com/word/wordsm.jpg
gonzo
05-06-2005, 01:53 AM
Originally posted by Aly_AVN+May 5 2005, 02:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Aly_AVN @ May 5 2005, 02:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Lee@May 5 2005, 11:00 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Aly_AVN@May 5 2005, 10:55 AM
smart newbies might just find a way to scrape together $250 to learn something new.
Is that before or after they have to scrape together the $1000 for airfare + hotel?
That's entirely up to them my dear. I've wracked my head over this and I'm not sure buying one before the other really makes a difference, does it? [/b][/quote]
Aly I sure hope they are paying you enough...
Aly_AVN
05-06-2005, 01:36 PM
Originally posted by JR+May 5 2005, 09:27 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JR @ May 5 2005, 09:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Hell Puppy@May 5 2005, 09:09 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@May 5 2005, 10:46 AM
Another thing might be to get panellists who are at the top of the game.
SEO specialists on SE panels getting 100k plus hits a day
Fuck lawyers....Why use a "internet porn" lawyer? He's a porn lawyer cause the REAL good ones wouldn't touch it .I'm lucky I retained counsel ..THEN told them it was internet ;-)))
Ok, so what's the incentive for someone doing 100K a day in SE traffic to let anyone pick his/her brain?
No question that's a compelling seminar for everyone trying to figure out how to garner SE traffic, but why would anyone who knows what they're doing at it share their secrets?
As Hannibal says "quid pro quo"
i think the real question is:
"why should anyone bother attending an increasingly expensive event with lower and lower turnouts, when even the organizers are reduced to trolling messageboards for ideas"
:blink: [/b][/quote]
Are you kidding?!
The problem with Internext in the past has been the perception that they DON'T solicit enough feedback from attendees... therefore, in some minds, don't accurately reflect the needs of their audience. As many people know, I came over to AVN to address this.
Nickatilynx
05-06-2005, 01:39 PM
Originally posted by Hell Puppy+May 5 2005, 09:09 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hell Puppy @ May 5 2005, 09:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@May 5 2005, 10:46 AM
Another thing might be to get panellists who are at the top of the game.
SEO specialists on SE panels getting 100k plus hits a day
Fuck lawyers....Why use a "internet porn" lawyer? He's a porn lawyer cause the REAL good ones wouldn't touch it .I'm lucky I retained counsel ..THEN told them it was internet ;-)))
Ok, so what's the incentive for someone doing 100K a day in SE traffic to let anyone pick his/her brain?
No question that's a compelling seminar for everyone trying to figure out how to garner SE traffic, but why would anyone who knows what they're doing at it share their secrets?
As Hannibal says "quid pro quo" [/b][/quote]
I'll tell you how....
Do seminars for a few top people.
Prove to those people your credentials in a certain field.
And charge accordingly :)
Aly_AVN
05-06-2005, 01:39 PM
Originally posted by gonzo+May 5 2005, 09:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gonzo @ May 5 2005, 09:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Aly_AVN@May 5 2005, 02:05 PM
Originally posted by Lee@May 5 2005, 11:00 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Aly_AVN@May 5 2005, 10:55 AM
smart newbies might just find a way to scrape together $250 to learn something new.
Is that before or after they have to scrape together the $1000 for airfare + hotel?
That's entirely up to them my dear. I've wracked my head over this and I'm not sure buying one before the other really makes a difference, does it?
Aly I sure hope they are paying you enough... [/b][/quote]
LOL.. Yes, but they had to raise the badge price at Internext to do so. :P
Originally posted by Aly_AVN+May 6 2005, 09:40 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Aly_AVN @ May 6 2005, 09:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by gonzo@May 5 2005, 09:54 PM
Originally posted by Aly_AVN@May 5 2005, 02:05 PM
Originally posted by Lee@May 5 2005, 11:00 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Aly_AVN@May 5 2005, 10:55 AM
smart newbies might just find a way to scrape together $250 to learn something new.
Is that before or after they have to scrape together the $1000 for airfare + hotel?
That's entirely up to them my dear. I've wracked my head over this and I'm not sure buying one before the other really makes a difference, does it?
Aly I sure hope they are paying you enough...
LOL.. Yes, but they had to raise the badge price at Internext to do so. :P [/b][/quote]
You make light of it but......
Originally posted by Aly_AVN@May 6 2005, 09:37 AM
Are you kidding?!
The problem with Internext in the past has been the perception that they DON'T solicit enough feedback from attendees... therefore, in some minds, don't accurately reflect the needs of their audience. As many people know, I came over to AVN to address this.
am i kidding?
no.
i have been watching people complain for years about the costs, decreasing attendence, expensive booth space/poor return on investment etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.
if you don't know what webmasters want after so many years of experience and you are so out of touch with the very market you are trying to serve that you are posting on public forums to ask every idiot in this biz for an opinion... then why are you qualified to organize an event, charging premium prices and expecting people to spend 1000's of dollars each, to attend from all over the world?
Aly_AVN
05-06-2005, 03:33 PM
Originally posted by JR@May 6 2005, 10:02 AM
am i kidding?
no.
i have been watching people complain for years about the costs, decreasing attendence, expensive booth space/poor return on investment etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.
if you don't know what webmasters want after so many years of experience and you are so out of touch with the very market you are trying to serve that you are posting on public forums to ask every idiot in this biz for an opinion... then why are you qualified to organize an event, charging premium prices and expecting people to spend 1000's of dollars each, to attend from all over the world?
I have been watching that, too. That's why I saw an opportunity to address it.
I personally have very strong opinions about what Internext attendees would like to see addressed in seminars/ discussion panels and, judging by the responses I've received to my questions, I am far from out-of-touch with the market Internext is trying to serve.
It's indescribably arrogant of you to assume that asking for feedback from 'every idiot in this biz' is a display of ignorance on any level. I've received overwhelming support for the changes many of us know would add value to the seminar program, as well as some great ideas on how to jazz things up a bit.
What makes the people at Internext qualified to organize a premium event? That's what they do... They're a trade show company. They also organize AEE, Erotica LA and other massive events... They have the clout and budget to rent an entire hotel to ensure low rates and they have the experience to rather smoothly (for the most part) put thousands of people in the same place at the same time. They're not particularily in touch with the ins-and-outs of our industry, that's not what they do... That's what I do, and I would never assume that the opinions of my audience aren't worthy of my attention or request.
Originally posted by Aly_AVN@May 6 2005, 11:34 AM
They have the clout and budget to rent an entire hotel to ensure low rates
We are talking about the same company right Aly?
You are aware that for pretty much EVERY Internext event i have attended the rates for the hotel actually go up for the conventions right?
Lets not compare apples to oranges but Vegas prices are significantly higher than the days before and after the shows, also last year, to book a room at the Westin was almost $75 higher during the Internext show.
Where are we seeing these lower prices? Or do you mean the cost is lower for Internext / AVN staff?
Dravyk
05-06-2005, 03:58 PM
I very much appreciate what Aly is doing. And I've tried to avoid grumbling. But, it's time for me to do so.
Other trade shows have demonstrated the ability to have a convention when and where it is not a million degrees temperature and humidity. Toronto, San Diego, Phoenix, etc ... How come AVN insists (other than Vegas) that only sweat holes in mid-August are the only ones that are affordable???
And as for lower prices, first Hollywood show the hotel charged $22 for two mixed drinks with some liquor in them. Second show it was $27 (before tip) and half to a third the liquor. I haven't been to the last one and not going to this one either, but I assume it must be a glass of water for $50 by now.
The Netpond guys have had to fight the hotel charging them thousands of dollars on phone bills each and every single time they've been there. Each time they ended up winning, but that's not the point.
Between the swamp heat and the rampant gauging (let's not mention the hurricanes as well), that's why I've dropped Hollywood off my list. I can go to places in much more confortable climates and at the same time feel that I'm paying fairer prices for the hotel, food and service than the Florida shows.
Originally posted by Dravyk@May 6 2005, 11:59 AM
Between the swamp heat and the rampant gauging (let's not mention the hurricanes as well), that's why I've dropped Hollywood off my list. I can go to places in much more confortable climates and at the same time feel that I'm paying fairer prices for the hotel, food and service than the Florida shows.
Sums up my idea too.... I love Vegas, but Florida is OFF my list.
Hey Dravyk - been trying to reach you via email. Just dropped you a new one - we had some "missing" emails lately but have fixed the problem. (I think my email client is paranoid - lol)
Hope to hear from you soon. :yowsa:
grimm
05-06-2005, 05:52 PM
Originally posted by Aly_AVN@May 6 2005, 11:34 AM
It's indescribably arrogant of you to assume that asking for feedback from 'every idiot in this biz' is a display of ignorance on any level.
I disagree. that is hardly indescribable, you did a fair job of it:)
Originally posted by Aly_AVN@May 6 2005, 11:34 AM
It's indescribably arrogant of you to assume that asking for feedback from 'every idiot in this biz' is a display of ignorance on any level. I've received overwhelming support for the changes many of us know would add value to the seminar program, as well as some great ideas on how to jazz things up a bit.
i agree that was a rude thing to say and i apologize to anyone that might be offended. what i was getting at is that if i asked you to pick 20 active members posting today and to tell me what they do, you probably couldn't... that was what was going through my mind when i wrote it. i know a lot of people here and read this board everday and could not tell you what 1/3 of people do here and confirm whether or not they have ever been to a show, much less have the money to attend.
and you made my point yourself, about what i was trying to say:
What makes the people at Internext qualified to organize a premium event? That's what they do... They're a trade show company.
They're not particularily in touch with the ins-and-outs of our industry, that's not what they do
if after so many years, you come here to say "we still don't get it, we don't know what you want and why you are there... but we definately know that we want to charge you up the ass for everything"
Aly_AVN
05-06-2005, 07:01 PM
Originally posted by JR@May 6 2005, 02:50 PM
if after so many years, you come here to say "we still don't get it, we don't know what you want and why you are there... but we definately know that we want to charge you up the ass for everything"
You're ignoring my primary point. So I'll reiterate...
It has been my opinion (as with many) that Internext needed someone to come onboard who has a strong understanding of and connection to the industry, in order to improve the events overall, as well as the perception of the events.
I came onboard a few weeks before the Vegas show this year in order to do that.
Don't tell me I don't know this industry and the people who are in it, that just makes you look like the ignorant one.
Are you planning on attending the Florida show?
Aly_AVN
05-06-2005, 07:04 PM
Originally posted by JR@May 6 2005, 02:50 PM
if after so many years, you come here to say "we still don't get it, we don't know what you want and why you are there... but we definately know that we want to charge you up the ass for everything"
You're ignoring my primary point. So I'll reiterate...
It has been my opinion (as with many) that Internext needed someone to come onboard who has a strong understanding of and connection to the industry, in order to improve the events overall, as well as the perception of the events.
I came onboard a few weeks before the Vegas show this year in order to do that.
Don't tell me I don't know this industry and the people who are in it, that just makes you look like the ignorant one.
Are you planning on attending the Florida show?
Originally posted by Aly_AVN+May 6 2005, 03:02 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Aly_AVN @ May 6 2005, 03:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-JR@May 6 2005, 02:50 PM
if after so many years, you come here to say "we still don't get it, we don't know what you want and why you are there... but we definately know that we want to charge you up the ass for everything"
You're ignoring my primary point. So I'll reiterate...
It has been my opinion (as with many) that Internext needed someone to come onboard who has a strong understanding of and connection to the industry, in order to improve the events overall, as well as the perception of the events.
I came onboard a few weeks before the Vegas show this year in order to do that.
Don't tell me I don't know this industry and the people who are in it, that just makes you look like the ignorant one.
Are you planning on attending the Florida show? [/b][/quote]
i understand what you are saying and why you are here and why you are asking the questions you are asking. i know that you are well liked and respected and know a lot of people in the biz. i did not say you did not know the industry or people in it.
its great to try to improve the show. i do respect that and what you are trying to do. i should stop being an asshole. i apologize. it just comes natural to me. if you had met my inbred, redneck family you would understand my cynicism. :)
i think that Intnernext is STILL missing the mark with its conventional trade show approach. getting together in this business is about traffic for almost everyone. my opinion is that seminars on legal issues, credit card processing, copyright protection, image licensing etc etc etc has nothing to do with traffic. private dinners, parties and social events do. i would guess that is why smaller and social events and get togethers are now becoming the new thing with a growing buzz each year about who is going to san diego, how much fun people had in phoenix, that jamaica was awesome and so on.
i have heard almost everyone say over the last 5-6 years, that investing in a booth is pointless. i understand that people do...many who are launching a new company/products and many who just want to maintain a presence in the industry. if that is a common sentiment and seminars are not really the point of a convention, then is AVN still missing the target with its approach?
i might go to florida. if i do, it will be to meet with friends and people outside the show, as i usually do.
Nickatilynx
05-06-2005, 07:31 PM
Can I be ignorant and point out the double post though?
;-))
Aly_AVN
05-06-2005, 07:38 PM
Originally posted by Nickatilynx@May 6 2005, 03:32 PM
Can I be ignorant and point out the double post though?
;-))
Darling, you're the lord of the manor... You can do anything you want! :)
Yes... I have no idea how that happened but was rather pleased for the opportunity to make my point twice! :P
Originally posted by Aly_AVN@May 7 2005, 12:39 AM
rather pleased for the opportunity to make my point twice! :P
:wnw:
Joesho1
05-06-2005, 07:40 PM
I had a great lunch with Farly and Kim today, thank them again for me would you ALY :)
Nickatilynx
05-06-2005, 07:45 PM
Originally posted by Joesho@May 6 2005, 03:41 PM
I had a great lunch with Farly and Kim today, thank them again for me would you ALY :)
And yr sober?
;-)))
Hell Puppy
05-07-2005, 12:19 AM
I will say it's good to see AVN at least asking for feedback. And it'll be interesting over the next 2-3 shows to see if any of it gets integrated.
Hell Puppy
05-07-2005, 12:27 AM
Originally posted by Nickatilynx+May 6 2005, 12:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ May 6 2005, 12:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Hell Puppy@May 5 2005, 09:09 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@May 5 2005, 10:46 AM
Another thing might be to get panellists who are at the top of the game.
SEO specialists on SE panels getting 100k plus hits a day
Fuck lawyers....Why use a "internet porn" lawyer? He's a porn lawyer cause the REAL good ones wouldn't touch it .I'm lucky I retained counsel ..THEN told them it was internet ;-)))
Ok, so what's the incentive for someone doing 100K a day in SE traffic to let anyone pick his/her brain?
No question that's a compelling seminar for everyone trying to figure out how to garner SE traffic, but why would anyone who knows what they're doing at it share their secrets?
As Hannibal says "quid pro quo"
I'll tell you how....
Do seminars for a few top people.
Prove to those people your credentials in a certain field.
And charge accordingly :) [/b][/quote]
Yup, you're on the right path there. Experts in soft skills and hard skills in mainstream command anywhere from $25K-$100K for such appearances.
The problem is most people do that as part of retirement. They've made their's, they now gain satisfaction from teaching others and pick up some cash and see the country while they're at it. This works in mainstream.
But in adult, or anything that is fast moving and still evolving for that matter, the guy who is out of the game for even 6-12 months will find himself totally disconnected and perhaps even obsolete.
There are things webmasters could be taught that aren't anything like trade secrets however. The vast majority of the webmasters have virtually no basic business or management skills. Most have no credit, no real networth and spend it all as fast as they make it.
Go surf around some other boards see how many of 'em you can find showing pics of BMW 3 series they bought used for $30K while still living in an apartment or mom's basement.
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