Would you fire a rep for getting drunk at a show [Archive]

Anthony

04-26-2005, 08:03 PM

Originally posted by RyanLanane@Apr 26 2005, 04:00 PM
I think it would depend alot on other factors... Such as how drunk was he ... Was he being unprofessional... Did you tell him not to get drunk.... The list goes on. There would be alot of variable to take in prior to an automatic firing.

I haven't been to a show in oh like 6 years and it was the only one I went to but from what I hear these shows can get pretty crazy in some circumstances and to be honest - a Rep who knows hwo to party and liven up the party is an asset as long as he isn't pushing the lines...
Shoving tounge down throat... Pushing the limits?

I wasn't there, but that's the reports.

I like Rinaldo, I've never seen him drunk. I feel for everyone invloved, on a personal note I know firsthand how binges and addictions can affect one personally, and professionally.

Hopefully this is a wakeup call for him.

Nickatilynx

04-26-2005, 08:16 PM

Dunno him...but I'm sure I've done worse.

Everyone fucks up.

To err is human , to forgive , divine :)

However as Ant says this is a wake up call , some listen to the alarm and turn there lives around.Others don't.

If it was my rep ( and I say this now that I'm clean and sober of course) I'd chat with him (ie coat him to within an inch of his life ) and offer options.

Option 1. Stop drinking continue employment , with every help an assistance.

Option 2. Continue being a drunken bum , leave the corp and hope he nevers serves me at Mickey D's.

However...

In 2001 I prolly would have appointed him to the board ;-))

Difference is , and I know this to be true....drunk and partying income = $0.00 if your lucky...its actually negative...

Clean and sober , frankly , you can OWN this industry.

:)

ThrobX

04-26-2005, 08:23 PM

Personally, if I had a rep who did the above, I'd give him two options. They'd be:

1) You resign.

or

2) I fire you.

No excuse. Why is this industry any different than other industries? Sure, we have a hefty contingent of "webmasters" who belong to the Zoo Crew and aren't really in this as a business. That doesn't mean that the businesspeople amongst us don't have to conduct themselves as businesspeople.

Give me a fucking break. I've seen so many people at shows and show parties that I immediately made mental notes about, to the effect of "do not ever work with or hire that guy/girl."

<_<

PornoDoggy

04-26-2005, 08:24 PM

How do you professionally force yourself on women?

Lee

04-26-2005, 08:28 PM

Originally posted by Peaches@Apr 26 2005, 03:35 PM
We've tried firing Gabe for getting drunk and feeling up all the guys, but he's a Mexican, in California.....need I say more?
But i never complained either $0.02 ;)

Lee

04-26-2005, 08:29 PM

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Apr 26 2005, 04:25 PM
How do you professionally force yourself on women?
Utter the words...

'Ill make you a pornstar but i have to saple the good first' ;)

ThrobX

04-26-2005, 08:30 PM

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Apr 26 2005, 04:25 PM
How do you professionally force yourself on women?
Exactly.

gonzo

04-26-2005, 08:33 PM

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Apr 26 2005, 07:25 PM
How do you professionally force yourself on women?
Offer em a shooter of Cristal an unpeeled cucumber and a Xeroxed copy of your bank statement.

iknowalttl

04-26-2005, 08:40 PM

Originally posted by Anthony@Apr 26 2005, 07:04 PM
Shoving tounge down throat... Pushing the limits?

I wasn't there, but that's the reports.

Did the report say whether or not she had his cock in her hand :salute: ....
so many circumstances

Vick

04-26-2005, 09:10 PM

Am going to guess this was a kid

Good rule of thumb, if you're there as a rep for a company you don't own
Don't get DRUNK in public

Would I fire him?
Most likely but not for that reason

But I do also like the line of thinking, either go to AA or rehab or get fired

ThrobX

04-26-2005, 09:16 PM

Originally posted by Vick@Apr 26 2005, 05:11 PM
But I do also like the line of thinking, either go to AA or rehab or get fired
With all due respect, I prefer the line of thinking of "welcome to your first day at work, here are the rules, 1) doing anything that brings bad rep upon my business will get you fired." Stuff like that needs to be laid out upfront.

I guess working for me would be a real "buzz kill," as the kiddies say. :grrr:

Nickatilynx

04-26-2005, 09:31 PM

Originally posted by ThrobX+Apr 26 2005, 05:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ThrobX @ Apr 26 2005, 05:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Vick@Apr 26 2005, 05:11 PM
But I do also like the line of thinking, either go to AA or rehab or get fired
With all due respect, I prefer the line of thinking of "welcome to your first day at work, here are the rules, 1) doing anything that brings bad rep upon my business will get you fired." Stuff like that needs to be laid out upfront.

I guess working for me would be a real "buzz kill," as the kiddies say. :grrr: [/b][/quote]
In this business there are tons of very very talented people who , frankly, are fucking loopy as fuck. LOL

Its the nature of the business IMHO.

I can name loads of people who can add multiple zeros onto yr bottomline that you'd fire in the first day LOL

Winetalk.com

04-26-2005, 09:52 PM

Originally posted by gonzo@Apr 26 2005, 05:35 PM
Seems someone got a little drunk and started forcing himself on the girls at a recent show. If he was representing your company would you fire his ass?
isn't it how Hooper made his first entrance at the shows?
:)

Winetalk.com

04-26-2005, 09:55 PM

Originally posted by *KK*@Apr 26 2005, 07:02 PM
The kid didn't get fired, though, he went back home and then resigned.

People do stupid things at shows, we all have our moments... that was pretty bad, but I'm not entirely sure what I'd have done about it were I his boss.
I wouldn't fire for that. I did worse under influence....and so did everybody in this thread.
Stop riding the high horses,
'cuz when you fall off them - it huits
:)

Nickatilynx

04-26-2005, 09:58 PM

Dravyk

04-26-2005, 10:01 PM

My first knee-jerk reaction would be to fire him.

My second thought would be to find as much information about the incident as possible. Was it repeated many times during the show? Once? Was it over and over an entire night? Was it once for five minutes, then he passed out? Was in at 3am with a few people around? Was it at 10am on the show floor? ... There are degrees.

Again, I'd still be heavily wieghted towards the firing side of the equation, but I would first want to know "the degree" of the situation as to make the most informed choice.

Vick

04-26-2005, 10:05 PM

Originally posted by Winetalk.com+Apr 26 2005, 08:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Winetalk.com @ Apr 26 2005, 08:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-*KK*@Apr 26 2005, 07:02 PM
The kid didn't get fired, though, he went back home and then resigned.

People do stupid things at shows, we all have our moments... that was pretty bad, but I'm not entirely sure what I'd have done about it were I his boss.
I wouldn't fire for that. I did worse under influence....and so did everybody in this thread.
Stop riding the high horses,
'cuz when you fall off them - it huits
:) [/b][/quote]
You have a good point as usual, and I'm sure we all have somewhere at sometime

But if it's on my dime and my company I sure wouldn't be happy about it

Like I said, I'll probably find another reason to fire unless he was worth a good deal to the bottom line

Basically if he was the difference between a 1M a year company and a 10M a year company am sure I could look the other way for the overwhelming majority of things

ThrobX

04-26-2005, 10:06 PM

Originally posted by Winetalk.com@Apr 26 2005, 05:56 PM
I wouldn't fire for that. I did worse under influence....and so did everybody in this thread.
Stop riding the high horses,
'cuz when you fall off them - it huits
:)
Just speak for yourself, Serge-y. Remember that dinner at the Greek restaurant in Florida a few years back? I was so sober, I was boring as hell! :lol:

ThrobX

04-26-2005, 10:08 PM

Originally posted by Vick@Apr 26 2005, 06:06 PM
Basically if he was the difference between a 1M a year company and a 10M a year company am sure I could look the other way for the overwhelming majority of things
Oh, well, hell, yeah, that's a horse of a different color. $9M could pay for plenty of liability insurance. :biglaugh:

Nickatilynx

04-26-2005, 10:09 PM

Originally posted by ThrobX+Apr 26 2005, 06:09 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ThrobX @ Apr 26 2005, 06:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Vick@Apr 26 2005, 06:06 PM
Basically if he was the difference between a 1M a year company and a 10M a year company am sure I could look the other way for the overwhelming majority of things
Oh, well, hell, yeah, that's a horse of a different color. $9M could pay for plenty of liability insurance. :biglaugh: [/b][/quote]
What about if you paid him , 100k and he earned you 250k ?

:)

Basically what you are saying is you have the morals you can afford , and confirming you like the rest of us are a whore.

The only variable is the dollar amount ;-)))

dig420

04-26-2005, 10:23 PM

ehh if that was the worst thing I ever did drunk I'd be a lot better off mentally than I am now lol

Depends how forceful he was getting. If he was just being a happy idiot I'd laugh at him for a week and bring him to the next show. If he was being a rapist I'd can him and maybe kick his ass too.

One of my employees got drunk at the last big show, hooked up with this black prostitute and she wouldn't let any of the guys sharing his room come in unless they were gonna pay for a blowjob too. When she left she took his wallet and his weed with her. I just mocked him for a while and let it go ;)

Winetalk.com

04-26-2005, 10:45 PM

Originally posted by ThrobX+Apr 26 2005, 09:07 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ThrobX @ Apr 26 2005, 09:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Winetalk.com@Apr 26 2005, 05:56 PM
I wouldn't fire for that. I did worse under influence....and so did everybody in this thread.
Stop riding the high horses,
'cuz when you fall off them - it huits
:)
Just speak for yourself, Serge-y. Remember that dinner at the Greek restaurant in Florida a few years back? I was so sober, I was boring as hell! :lol: [/b][/quote]
opppaaa!
;)

I wasn't, and was throwing plates on a floor with the best of them....

[small print] we were on the second level and the floor was on first[/small print]
:)

Anthony

04-26-2005, 10:53 PM

Steady

04-26-2005, 11:15 PM

Absolutely! He was in a business enviorment. It does'nt matter what line of business you're in, one must show respect.

ThrobX

04-26-2005, 11:16 PM

Originally posted by Winetalk.com@Apr 26 2005, 06:46 PM
I wasn't, and was throwing plates on a floor with the best of them....

[small print] we were on the second level and the floor was on first[/small print]
:)
Yes, I remember that well. I believe I saw one or two people with a "what the fuck" look on their face. If you can get people in a Greek restaurant to look that way, you know you're doing good! :lol:

I remember you enjoyed the bellydancer, as well. :groucho:

Billy

04-26-2005, 11:19 PM

Heck I am glad I have never got that drunk !

NickPapageorgio

04-26-2005, 11:20 PM

I learned my lesson at the show in Florida last year. I got pretty tanked at Circue De Noir and fucked up a conversation that could have been a real booster for me personally. I think drinking and shows really don't mix if you can't control what you're having. To my credit, I was partying with ToyBoy. And there is no middle speed with him. It's either stop or full throttle. ;)

sarettah

04-27-2005, 12:11 AM

A lot of it depends on if he was on the clock or not. I realize that for many companies, during shows, all reps are considered "on the clock" and I would think that most reps would assume that during the show they are representing their company.

But there is grey area to be found there.

PornoDoggy

04-27-2005, 12:18 AM

First tour in the Navy I went to a "hump" (half-way through a deployment) party and explained to the CO and XO how to better run the squadron. I didn't drink at official command functions after that.

First real job after I got out of the Navy I nearly missed my plane coming back from San Diego - fortunately for me, the people in whose driveway I'd parked my rental car before I passed out went to work early. I always wished I'd known where that was so I could have thanked them properly. I never drank at trade shows after that (but I always managed to take a couple days vacation after I got back).

I don't think there are nearly as many variables as others do. MAYBE if he's very young and it was his first show, blah-blah-blah, you can give him another chance. If it's somebody who's been around the block a few times, or it's somebody you know likes to party - it's either "no shows for you", or "hey, hit the highway."

*KK*

04-27-2005, 12:30 AM

grimm

04-27-2005, 01:11 AM

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Apr 26 2005, 04:25 PM
How do you professionally force yourself on women?
show them your badge?;)

grimm

04-27-2005, 01:13 AM

Originally posted by Vick@Apr 26 2005, 05:11 PM
Am going to guess this was a kid

Good rule of thumb, if you're there as a rep for a company you don't own
Don't get DRUNK in public

Would I fire him?
Most likely but not for that reason

But I do also like the line of thinking, either go to AA or rehab or get fired
vick,

rehab is for quitters:)

grimm

04-27-2005, 01:14 AM

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Apr 26 2005, 06:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Apr 26 2005, 06:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by ThrobX@Apr 26 2005, 06:09 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Vick@Apr 26 2005, 06:06 PM
Basically if he was the difference between a 1M a year company and a 10M a year company am sure I could look the other way for the overwhelming majority of things
Oh, well, hell, yeah, that's a horse of a different color. $9M could pay for plenty of liability insurance. :biglaugh:
What about if you paid him , 100k and he earned you 250k ?

:)

Basically what you are saying is you have the morals you can afford , and confirming you like the rest of us are a whore.

The only variable is the dollar amount ;-))) [/b][/quote]
now thats thinking like a republican:)

mojobill

04-27-2005, 09:46 AM

I thought this was an old topic... I must have missed something at the recent show...

Peaches... Gabe is a 'special' case! ;-)

ThrobX

04-27-2005, 11:07 AM

Winetalk.com

04-27-2005, 12:15 PM

Originally posted by ThrobX+Apr 26 2005, 10:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ThrobX @ Apr 26 2005, 10:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Winetalk.com@Apr 26 2005, 06:46 PM
I wasn't, and was throwing plates on a floor with the best of them....

[small print] we were on the second level and the floor was on first[/small print]
:)
Yes, I remember that well. I believe I saw one or two people with a "what the fuck" look on their face. If you can get people in a Greek restaurant to look that way, you know you're doing good! :lol:

I remember you enjoyed the bellydancer, as well. :groucho: [/b][/quote]
sure did...but she felt ME and nobody fired her for that
:)

Nickatilynx

04-27-2005, 12:19 PM

Originally posted by ThrobX+Apr 27 2005, 07:08 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ThrobX @ Apr 27 2005, 07:08 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Apr 26 2005, 06:10 PM
Originally posted by ThrobX@Apr 26 2005, 06:09 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Vick@Apr 26 2005, 06:06 PM
Basically if he was the difference between a 1M a year company and a 10M a year company am sure I could look the other way for the overwhelming majority of things
Oh, well, hell, yeah, that's a horse of a different color. $9M could pay for plenty of liability insurance. :biglaugh:
What about if you paid him , 100k and he earned you 250k ?

:)

Basically what you are saying is you have the morals you can afford , and confirming you like the rest of us are a whore.

The only variable is the dollar amount ;-)))
Hahahahaha nice point. In other words, I'm a Capitalist. :rokk: [/b][/quote]
Welcome to Oprano. ;-)))

LOL..

Remember the film when some chick gets a million bucks for fucking Robert Redford and there was this big debate over it?

well ,

I got ejected from the cinemafor screaming :
"I'll do it!!"
"Fuck , I'm even prepared to negotiate down!!!"
"And!!!!! I'm a fucking virgin"

But , I'll reiterate..

Anyone on this board can fuck me in the ass for USD 1 m.

hmmm actually ,thinking about it...I think Serge did fuck me in the ass for a couple of million. ;-)))

ThrobX

04-27-2005, 12:38 PM

Originally posted by Winetalk.com@Apr 27 2005, 08:16 AM
sure did...but she felt ME and nobody fired her for that
:)
Ah yes, but that brings us full circle. What she did probably WAS in her job description. I doubt that "get drunk and force yourself on women" was in THIS guy's job description. <_<

Vick

04-27-2005, 01:17 PM

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Apr 27 2005, 11:20 AM
Anyone on this board can fuck me in the ass for USD 1 m.

Does that include shaving your ass first?
Does it include kissing first?
Can we negotiate down if you started drinking?

Not that's there's anything wrong with that

Weg Cory

04-27-2005, 01:49 PM

Originally posted by Winetalk.com+Apr 26 2005, 05:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Winetalk.com @ Apr 26 2005, 05:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-*KK*@Apr 26 2005, 07:02 PM
The kid didn't get fired, though, he went back home and then resigned.

People do stupid things at shows, we all have our moments... that was pretty bad, but I'm not entirely sure what I'd have done about it were I his boss.
I wouldn't fire for that. I did worse under influence....and so did everybody in this thread.
Stop riding the high horses,
'cuz when you fall off them - it huits
:) [/b][/quote]
In addition to this excellent point, the entire story really is not being told.

First and foremost, from my perspective, I agree entirely with what Serge said. To further counter those hanging him out to dry, I have witnessed all to often program owners, site owners and reps coming back from shows sounding off with righteous rhetoric on boards and laughed to myself as they were the ones parading around the lobby on cocaine, ecstacy, and alcohol.

I have been drunk at shows. I have done so with some of the biggest people around. I have also been sober at shows. Deal is, the business is done on both fronts. Some of the biggest traffic sites around are owned by people that are not bound by conventional professionalism. I would say if you rule someone out for not being sober at a show, you likely limited your business potential to some degree. But to each there own.

I drink at shows. I have a good time. I try not to cross the line. I also do not judge those that choose to do more than drink. Me? I don't. But the path of the righteous is not always as promising as it seems from the exterior.

Moving on. I really had no inclination to respond to this (or any) of the threads spawned from the said event, but this thread changed my mind. This is my perspective:

He got very drunk at a show. He ravaged and harrassed several models and affiliate reps in front of significant others whom attempted to stop him. He got aggressive with them verbally. Is this groundbreaking show behavior? Not in the slightest. Was it wrong? It sure was. Here is the issue, in my opinion. He came back from the show, and was confronted regarding the issue and he denied it. He denied the accounts of what is actually more than two industry couples. Further than denying them, he made a critical error by going into Vanilla's thread on G$fy and making an insulting remark about her. He did so in a thread that obviously meant something to her.

That was stupid, immature and unclassy. Serge, Nick and KK are dead on in saying we have all been there. Maybe not because you had too much to drink, but maybe the way you behaved on a board. But what makes you a pro is being able to come forward and say you are sorry. He was unable to do that. That is the reason I would let someone go.

I am very close to both Vanilla and Stewie, and I can assure you with highest confidence that none of this would have been made public had he said nothing, even less an apology. I spoke with her last night on the phone, and to say the absolute least, she was not happy about all of this. I think at the end of the day, she would have lived with "hey, I was drunk, I am sorry about that." Wouldn't most of us?

Now, he brought them bad PR, but was it because of what he did or how he reacted afterwards? Thing about it.

ThrobX, I have known you for a long time. I do however respectfully disagree with your view. As much as I agree that this is a business processing transactions like any other business, it is still built around the sex industry, in some cases even a seedy side of the sex industry. I remember my first show, I was absolutely baffled seeing prominent guys in the hotel lobbies picking up trashy hookers and walking up to their rooms in front of everyone. This is an industry whereas parties are often times thrown at strip clubs, or even at brothels in many cases. The threshold for professionalism is more liberal. That said, cases like this will occur with more frequency. What is important is that people still respect certain, more liberal limitations.

Just my thoughts on it.

(ThrobX, can you email me? I would like your icq again...)

cory@integralnet.com

wiseman

04-27-2005, 02:18 PM

Fucking crazy the shit some people do at these shows!!! Jesus!!

After saying that Rinaldo is a hell of a guy!! If your out there Rinaldo hit me up!!

Raven

04-27-2005, 03:25 PM

Interesting, Cory.....I've seen you pretty wasted, my friend...a particular argument between us in Phoenix comes to mind. We were both shouting at each other...actually, I believe that's how we met and have loved ever since.

Many of the examples you've given have much to do with owners of companies; and, if they wish to behave as such, then they will reap the benefits or consequences. It is their company. They get to set policy. Going broke or not is their choice.

When a rep, however, crosses lines that anyone with common sense should not cross...that's a different story.

There was a rep who used to be with a particular affiliate program..and pretty high up on the totem pole with this company. Anytime we tried to talk to him, no matter what time of day....he was in pretzel shape and unable to string two words together. When you're drunk, Cory, you get more articulate, if that's possible. See the difference?

When someone represents a company, on the clock or off....and, I'm only talking about shows now....they are presenting the face of said company....this particular person who is gone now.....lost his company business...period.

We've all been drunk; but, throwing up in public into flower pots while representing a company whose dime is paying for your trip...sorry, that's crossing the line...

Anything that reflects negatively on the company, unfortunately, is not always a good thing....whether we judge it or not.

Back in the day, we were more wild. Today, we can't afford to be.

Raven

04-27-2005, 03:33 PM

Originally posted by NickPapageorgio@Apr 26 2005, 07:21 PM
I learned my lesson at the show in Florida last year. I got pretty tanked at Circue De Noir and fucked up a conversation that could have been a real booster for me personally. I think drinking and shows really don't mix if you can't control what you're having. To my credit, I was partying with ToyBoy. And there is no middle speed with him. It's either stop or full throttle. ;)
http://www.fubarwebmasters.com/current/pra...tast/z03176.htm (http://www.fubarwebmasters.com/current/prag05/tast/z03176.htm)

Ah yes. Toy Boy.

I love that man to death. Nothing 'in the middle of the road' with him!

Peaches

04-27-2005, 03:33 PM

With my constant drunken orgies, I fear my lifespan in this industry is limited :(

I apologize for all the penises and boobs I've grabbed over the years.

ThrobX

04-27-2005, 04:17 PM

Originally posted by Weg Cory@Apr 27 2005, 09:50 AM
ThrobX, I have known you for a long time. I do however respectfully disagree with your view. As much as I agree that this is a business processing transactions like any other business, it is still built around the sex industry, in some cases even a seedy side of the sex industry. I remember my first show, I was absolutely baffled seeing prominent guys in the hotel lobbies picking up trashy hookers and walking up to their rooms in front of everyone. This is an industry whereas parties are often times thrown at strip clubs, or even at brothels in many cases. The threshold for professionalism is more liberal. That said, cases like this will occur with more frequency. What is important is that people still respect certain, more liberal limitations.

Just my thoughts on it.

(ThrobX, can you email me? I would like your icq again...)
Well, we'll have to agree to disagree on this. We're marketing a product, doesn't make any difference to me if it's a pencil or a pussy, we're in the marketing business. The nature of the product should have no impact on our professionalism. Just my opinion, I COULD be wrong. Your mileage may vary, etc. It's cool, of course.

Maybe this will more clearly illustrate my thoughts... Raven makes a good point. If, for example, I, as the owner of my company, choose to get drunk and obnoxious at an industry soiree, any soiled reputation is purely my OWN fault. If, however, my employee chooses to get drunk and obnoxious, then it's THEIR fault, but it ultimately reflects poorly upon ME. That's where I draw the line (income generation aside, that was more a joke than anything).

Email with ICQ number on the way. :)

ThrobX

04-27-2005, 04:18 PM

Originally posted by Peaches@Apr 27 2005, 11:34 AM
I apologize for all the penises and boobs I've grabbed over the years.
Oh, Peaches, you know you don't have to apologize for that time in the limo. :awinky:

Weg Cory

04-27-2005, 04:19 PM

Originally posted by Raven@Apr 27 2005, 11:26 AM
Interesting, Cory.....I've seen you pretty wasted, my friend...a particular argument between us in Phoenix comes to mind. We were both shouting at each other...actually, I believe that's how we met and have loved ever since.

Many of the examples you've given have much to do with owners of companies; and, if they wish to behave as such, then they will reap the benefits or consequences. It is their company. They get to set policy. Going broke or not is their choice.

When a rep, however, crosses lines that anyone with common sense should not cross...that's a different story.

There was a rep who used to be with a particular affiliate program..and pretty high up on the totem pole with this company. Anytime we tried to talk to him, no matter what time of day....he was in pretzel shape and unable to string two words together. When you're drunk, Cory, you get more articulate, if that's possible. See the difference?

When someone represents a company, on the clock or off....and, I'm only talking about shows now....they are presenting the face of said company....this particular person who is gone now.....lost his company business...period.

We've all been drunk; but, throwing up in public into flower pots while representing a company whose dime is paying for your trip...sorry, that's crossing the line...

Anything that reflects negatively on the company, unfortunately, is not always a good thing....whether we judge it or not.

Back in the day, we were more wild. Today, we can't afford to be.
You make great points. This is why I love you :)

I guess maybe I feel that had he just said he was sorry "under the table," then he would have saved himself a lot of headaches.

I may have defended the actions a little too much. I was just really bothered when he took a shot at her after she never said a word.

Thank you for pointing out how articulate I am when I have been drinking, it has taken years of practice! LOL

Jeremy

04-27-2005, 06:13 PM

The sad fact of life is that despite all the shoulds, oughts and ifs, a decision like this would come down to income & what effect a person's departure would have on that.

Nickatilynx

04-27-2005, 06:17 PM

Vick

04-27-2005, 09:53 PM

JoesHO

04-27-2005, 10:59 PM

Originally posted by Jeremy@Apr 27 2005, 02:14 PM
The sad fact of life is that despite all the shoulds, oughts and ifs, a decision like this would come down to income & what effect a person's departure would have on that.
Oh fucking dog bollocks, just what we needed here , another smart Brit!!!!

Turtle soup for all!!!! :wnw:

You are dead balls on , with your point mate .

Hell Puppy

04-28-2005, 01:31 AM

Always amazing to me...

This wouldn't even be debateable outside of this industry. However, there will always be those at shows who want to "live the life" as part of playing this game.

This is way out of bounds for me. I cant imagine ever hiring anyone who I could even imagine representing my company at a trade show and behaving in this manner. With that in mind, if he did, he's a fired ass because I obviously misjudged his character.

I would also say that I'm not about to send a kid who I know is unlikely to have been exposed to the level of partying this industry can do, and may not be able to hold his liquor, to a show without someone to stick to him like glue and mentor him a bit. There is some management responsibility as well as personal responsibility.

Almighty Colin

04-28-2005, 08:21 AM

Originally posted by wiseman@Apr 27 2005, 01:19 PM
Fucking crazy the shit some people do at these shows!!! Jesus!!

Dude, :biglaugh:

Winetalk.com

04-28-2005, 08:31 AM

We've all been drunk; but, throwing up in public into flower pots while representing a company whose dime is paying for your trip...sorry, that's crossing the line...

Grimm was throwing into the pot,
Sig was throwing into the toilet ball...

in 2003 their company made $15,000,000 in revenues

I'd hire BOTH in a heart beat
:)

pushpills

04-28-2005, 08:31 AM

Originally posted by Almighty Colin+Apr 28 2005, 06:22 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Almighty Colin @ Apr 28 2005, 06:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-wiseman@Apr 27 2005, 01:19 PM
Fucking crazy the shit some people do at these shows!!! Jesus!!

Dude, :biglaugh: [/b][/quote]

:D

Did he ever apologize to the people he endangered? Not ripping on anyone, just curious.

I don't think there's more than 2 people in this thread that haven't done something much "wilder" than the event described. Getting drunk and getting wild with someone is a good bond! I can think of a few people that I got into business with because we bonded and became friends from a night of drinking and getting nutts.

ThrobX

04-28-2005, 10:12 AM

Originally posted by pushpills@Apr 28 2005, 04:32 AM
I don't think there's more than 2 people in this thread that haven't done something much "wilder" than the event described.
I'll take one of those spots.

DrGuile

04-28-2005, 10:28 AM

Originally posted by pushpills@Apr 28 2005, 07:32 AM
Getting drunk and getting wild with someone is a good bond! I can think of a few people that I got into business with because we bonded and became friends from a night of drinking and getting nutts.
I would agree.

My only trouble with this particular story is that his "getting wild" involved abusing women...

call me rosy-drguile, but that's innaceptable... throw up whereever you want, I dont give a fuck, pick fights with dangerous people, trash furniture, spend your mortgage on hookers... who cares?

But sexually abusing people? Not so good...

pushpills

04-28-2005, 10:35 AM

Originally posted by DrGuile+Apr 28 2005, 08:29 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DrGuile @ Apr 28 2005, 08:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-pushpills@Apr 28 2005, 07:32 AM
Getting drunk and getting wild with someone is a good bond! I can think of a few people that I got into business with because we bonded and became friends from a night of drinking and getting nutts.

But sexually abusing people? Not so good... [/b][/quote]
right. I think fistfighting can make you look like a loser too.

gonzo

04-28-2005, 10:56 AM

Originally posted by pushpills+Apr 28 2005, 07:32 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (pushpills @ Apr 28 2005, 07:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Almighty Colin@Apr 28 2005, 06:22 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-wiseman@Apr 27 2005, 01:19 PM
Fucking crazy the shit some people do at these shows!!! Jesus!!

Dude, :biglaugh:

:D

Did he ever apologize to the people he endangered? Not ripping on anyone, just curious.

I don't think there's more than 2 people in this thread that haven't done something much "wilder" than the event described. Getting drunk and getting wild with someone is a good bond! I can think of a few people that I got into business with because we bonded and became friends from a night of drinking and getting nutts. [/b][/quote]
Look at his signature....he thinks its funny. I think if those guys from CE he was throwing the chair at ever catch him in dark alley they will even the score.

And they wont miss.

Nickatilynx

04-28-2005, 11:04 AM

Originally posted by DrGuile+Apr 28 2005, 06:29 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DrGuile @ Apr 28 2005, 06:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-pushpills@Apr 28 2005, 07:32 AM
Getting drunk and getting wild with someone is a good bond! I can think of a few people that I got into business with because we bonded and became friends from a night of drinking and getting nutts.
I would agree.

My only trouble with this particular story is that his "getting wild" involved abusing women...

call me rosy-drguile, but that's innaceptable... throw up whereever you want, I dont give a fuck, pick fights with dangerous people, trash furniture, spend your mortgage on hookers... who cares?

But sexually abusing people? Not so good... [/b][/quote]
I tend to agree with the Welshman on this.

RyanLanane

04-28-2005, 11:05 AM

Originally posted by Raven@Apr 27 2005, 11:26 AM

Anything that reflects negatively on the company, unfortunately, is not always a good thing....whether we judge it or not.

Back in the day, we were more wild. Today, we can't afford to be.

I honestly think this sums it up the best out of all the statements I have seen here - which is why I posted what I did "Depends alot on the various circumstances"

Just getting back into this busines a couple months in and I an tell things are much more political. Back in 97-99 hell you were a tight ass if you weren't partying so hard you threw up in the flower pots :) Little bit if an over statement but I think you get the point - Parties at conventions were just for that, partying.

Now they are for socializing, making business deals, and representing your company and what they stand for. Not to mention the comapny's ethics by the behavior of their employees. This is a much more corporate business now than it was, and should be treated a such.

Anthony

04-28-2005, 11:49 AM

leedsfan

04-28-2005, 03:24 PM

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Apr 26 2005, 04:17 PM

Clean and sober , frankly , you can OWN this industry.

:)
If anyone remembers what you said and agreed to.

Weg Cory

04-28-2005, 04:45 PM

Program owners are different in the way that they represent their own financial platform and brand but I was speaking more in terms of hypocrisy / industry bounds / perception. Looking back into this thread, I may well have been better off to not cite it. It led it astray. But the fuel is somewhere, is it not? The perception is what it is for a reason? Therefore, the environment is assumed. If you hire an employee in this industry and send them to a show, they will be exposed to those environments.

My point is, he made a mistake and instead of apologizing, he insulted one of the accusers in a thread.

That is my issue with all this. Nothing more, nothing less. I do not care what people do at shows. However, it should be very clear that although this is a business like other businesses, it still isn't. You don't see girls getting whipped and cummed all over in a Venetian Suite at the Catering convention. Therefore, perception is different as it is shaped by very different marketing schemes. You all can accuse me of being naive to business, but take an opportunity to speak to me in person and I am willing to bet you retract the accusation.

HP, 3 years ago, I would have quoted your post as "dead on," but not today. All the same, no matter what I say in this thread, it will likely appear that I am supportive of idiot behavior, that is just not the case.

I know Dave, the owner of Platinum Bucks real well. He has a great product and staff. That said, I am going to drop out of this thread. I don't feel like bumping it or jumping to conclusions on what may or may not have happened with his employment is helpful to him. At the end of the day, things happen, people move on.

gonzo

04-28-2005, 05:09 PM

Theres no excuse for someone to get drunk and disorderly...man handle a feel up a woman and then when told to cool it own down talk smack back to the owmans husband. It doesnt matter if its a convention or a house party.

Where Im from its called an instant ass whipping.

Weg Cory

04-28-2005, 05:45 PM

Originally posted by gonzo@Apr 28 2005, 01:10 PM
Theres no excuse for someone to get drunk and disorderly...man handle a feel up a woman and then when told to cool it own down talk smack back to the owmans husband. It doesnt matter if its a convention or a house party.

Where Im from its called an instant ass whipping.
Well, I am not all about beating people up, I think he (both husbands involved) did the standup thing. Like I said, I think he should have apologized to her. I think had he done that, nothing would have steamrolled. I also stated that I know her pretty well and that would have been good enough for her. She is a classy girl and a professional.

What "he did" and the extent of what we are talking about now are not really one in the same. The thread meandered a bit. If you are discussing him as an isolated event, that is not the same as your very general thread title. This is why I am weary of posting in threads like this, people tend to not understand the nuances.

I don't have enough time to explain all of that however.

Step back and take a look at the mentality dealt with in this industry. We all read the boards. Getting drunk (the general scenario) hardly matches up to the daily ignorant ramblings I see on chat boards.

I have not the time for that either.

Trev

04-28-2005, 06:03 PM

The fact that it went to two guys toe to toe, shows that something was out of order!

So Cory, say you hit one of the shows with your girl and I cop more than a feel, would “sorry I was tanked” fix it?

Weg Cory

04-28-2005, 07:26 PM

Originally posted by Trev@Apr 28 2005, 02:04 PM
The fact that it went to two guys toe to toe, shows that something was out of order!

So Cory, say you hit one of the shows with your girl and I cop more than a feel, would “sorry I was tanked” fix it?

I made a clear statement that I was friends with someone on the other side of the issue. I likely have deeper insight into how she felt about it than you do. No offense, I hope, taken by you.

I responded more to the general theme that the thread meandered into. I will however say that Gonzo's thread title did include the "fondling" portion in the sub-title (I just hardly read that).

Again, I don't know how to tell you that I don't support "him" in a way that you can understand. I don't appreciate his actions and clearly stated he should have apologized to her. I am not the type to go on chat forums and talk about how I would beat some ass. It just isn't me. But if "beat some ass" translates into I don't approve, then read it as you wish.

Thread is like this:

1) Guy = isolated issue. I do not agree. Stewie not punching the guy. I agree with him. He handled it like a pro.

2) Theme of thread = General issue of drinking at shows and problems arising. I made a point regarding that.

They are seperate issues IMO. Him saying "sorry" prevents his total industry collapse, it doesn't make him and Vanilla friends. This isn't tough to understand. But that is the absolute best I can explain it to you. It isn't about "fixing" it.

If you fondled my girl at a show, I would have you escorted to the sidewalk. If you tried to attack, I would defend. It sounds like Stewie did the right thing under the circumstances he was put in. But we ALL HAVE OPINIONS.

Not to sound arrogant but I bring girls with me to parties at shows, clubs, bars, you name it. In all my time, I have never had to "beat someone down."

Again, we are all different.

Maureenoz

04-28-2005, 08:04 PM

If one of our associates we brought from Australia to a show got drunk, I'd leave him/her at home next time. If it was our affiliate manager, I'd fire him/her.

The shows are where you put your company on show to encourage others to do business with you. We work hard for a good reputation and I would be livid if it got trashed in one night by someone getting drunk and acting foolish. We'd be remembered as the company who did xxx at the xxx show. That's how I think of some of the past events!

It's not a soapbox thing for me. I think if it's your job to be "on" for 3-4 days a few times a year, then that's what you do.

Titan

04-28-2005, 08:14 PM

i doubt people could tell whether im drunk or sober anyways so i wouldnt be worried ;) jk

sounds a bit bad alright .. hopefully it was a once off and doesnt happen again for the guy or the gals involved

Raven

04-28-2005, 08:45 PM

There was a company whose reps got out of hand...really out of hand....details aren't necessary.....and they were summarily rounded up and brought home...and, then told never were they to act this way again.

The warning shot was fired and those who were smart are still with this particular company today.

The others? They're gone.

I agree with you, Cory. Had he owned up immediately and had he been so contrite and had it been a first time offense, maybe he could have kept his job. After all, everyone should be allowed one fuck up, as long as the damage is controllable.

Sometimes, it's not the actual mistake. It's what happens after the mistake. Unfortunately, as you've stated, he compounded his. And, while I'm sure he's a sweetie, the bottom line is the bottom line, which is set by Dave, who owns the company.

I think you also bring up a good point. When I started going to shows, I had to find that level of 'buzz' where I could be nice and loose; but, not ineffective....there are those who can get drunk and still remain 'with it'..and, there are those who simply cannot handle liquor or drugs or whatever the substance is.

I do believe that every rep should have boundaries set forth by the owner prior to the show.....then, should something like this happen, the rep, at least, has a definition of acceptable behaviour.

Ryan. I was in the biz three years before attending a show, so even in 2000, some of the 'display's were awesome to watch.....:)

Brad Mitchell

04-28-2005, 08:49 PM

Originally posted by Peaches@Apr 27 2005, 02:34 PM
With my constant drunken orgies, I fear my lifespan in this industry is limited :(

I apologize for all the penises and boobs I've grabbed over the years.
Don't worry, Peaches. It's all on tape, preserved for posterity.

I would have ascertained the situation and based my decision on whether there were extenuating circumstances, monetary considerations, and the employee's attitude after the fact.

I have been known to drink at shows. I certainly hope I'm not perceived as one of the obnoxious ones; but, as others have pointed out, it's my company and it is my choice as to how people 'see' me.

I don't know whether or not I would have fired the person in question. I certainly would have talked to him, extensively; and, most likely, placed him on probation, if I sent him to another show.

There would have been a public apology across the boards, also, to anyone and everyone he may have offended with his behavior.

Lisa

04-28-2005, 09:43 PM

I tend to agree with Maureen... (and HI btw! :) )

I don't attend all that many shows...but I'm 'on' from the minute I arrive in the city where the show is being held. Actually, I tend to be aware even from the airport where I'm catching the last leg of the flight in, that I 'may' run into some industry people also travelling to the show.

And I stay 'on' up until I land in LA on my way home, cos you just never know where you're going to run into 'work' people.

Even tho I drink, I don't take it to the point where I lose control of my faculties (ok perhaps excepting that one night that ScottPB plied me with illicit substances and I ended up standing in the foyer of the Venetian talking to Sykk and Punky, swaying the whole time).

I LOVE attending the shows (hint hint Bill, time I did another one :awinky: )...but I'm always aware that despite the fact that they're enormous fun, and a huge adrenaline high, they are still, and most importantly, work, and my behaviour should reflect that, from beginning to end.

Weg Cory

04-28-2005, 10:02 PM

Thanks Brad and Raven.

Both of you pretty much summed up my feelings on the situation exactly.

aeon

04-28-2005, 11:14 PM

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Apr 26 2005, 04:25 PM
How do you professionally force yourself on women?
If you make a sound I will kill you.

With proper accentuation it's both effective and professional.

PornoDoggy

04-28-2005, 11:27 PM

Originally posted by aeon+Apr 28 2005, 10:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (aeon @ Apr 28 2005, 10:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-PornoDoggy@Apr 26 2005, 04:25 PM
How do you professionally force yourself on women?
If you make a sound I will kill you.

With proper accentuation it's both effective and professional. [/b][/quote]
Hmmm ....

did a number of your friends come up missing pets when you were younger?

Weg Cory

04-28-2005, 11:35 PM

Originally posted by aeon+Apr 28 2005, 07:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (aeon @ Apr 28 2005, 07:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-PornoDoggy@Apr 26 2005, 04:25 PM
How do you professionally force yourself on women?
If you make a sound I will kill you.

With proper accentuation it's both effective and professional. [/b][/quote]
haha...

aeon

04-28-2005, 11:36 PM

Originally posted by PornoDoggy+Apr 28 2005, 07:28 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PornoDoggy @ Apr 28 2005, 07:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by aeon@Apr 28 2005, 10:15 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-PornoDoggy@Apr 26 2005, 04:25 PM
How do you professionally force yourself on women?
If you make a sound I will kill you.

With proper accentuation it's both effective and professional.
Hmmm ....

did a number of your friends come up missing pets when you were younger?[/b][/quote]
Nah, but I killed my neighbor’s dog by accident. Little fucker would go wild when we tried to sneak back into my parent's house late at night so we got the ingenious idea to give it the chocolate ex lax to quiet it down while we climbed in the window one time.

Little guy shit himself to death. I felt bad about that one.

gonzo

04-29-2005, 02:06 AM

Common courtesy and respect is lacking in many aspects of this business.

Hell Puppy

04-29-2005, 02:22 AM

Originally posted by Weg Cory+Apr 28 2005, 04:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Weg Cory @ Apr 28 2005, 04:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-gonzo@Apr 28 2005, 01:10 PM
Theres no excuse for someone to get drunk and disorderly...man handle a feel up a woman and then when told to cool it own down talk smack back to the owmans husband. It doesnt matter if its a convention or a house party.

Where Im from its called an instant ass whipping.
Well, I am not all about beating people up, I think he (both husbands involved) did the standup thing. Like I said, I think he should have apologized to her. I think had he done that, nothing would have steamrolled. I also stated that I know her pretty well and that would have been good enough for her. She is a classy girl and a professional.

What "he did" and the extent of what we are talking about now are not really one in the same. The thread meandered a bit. If you are discussing him as an isolated event, that is not the same as your very general thread title. This is why I am weary of posting in threads like this, people tend to not understand the nuances.

I don't have enough time to explain all of that however.

Step back and take a look at the mentality dealt with in this industry. We all read the boards. Getting drunk (the general scenario) hardly matches up to the daily ignorant ramblings I see on chat boards.

I have not the time for that either. [/b][/quote]
By industry standards, I'm a prude. I'll drink a bit, and have a good time, but I'm really not here to get drunk, laid or high. I'm in the industry to do biz and make money.

However, I also accept the fact that this isn't an industry where the trade shows and conventions consist of employees wear khaki pants and polo shirts with the company logo. Drones that wont say anything to a customer or client that hasn't been rehearsed and approved by a director of corporate communications or marketing.

There will be drinking, nudity, sex and what would in normal circles be socially unacceptable behavior. You best be prepared for it. And if you're an employer and sending someone who hasn't been before you best make sure they can handle it and prep them.

But there still have to be boundaries. To me, anything that harms another individual or puts them in harms way is out of bounds. Plain and simple. Starting a fight, throwing chairs into the atrium, physically making unwanted sexual advances especially after being asked to knock it off, all would fall into that category. And saying "oops, my bad, i'm sorry" doesn't make it all right in most cases.

Again, for me personally, i'd fire one of my guys for that type of thing. I cant even invision any of them putting themselves in such a position. But hey, again, I'm a prude.

I do not know all of the specifics of the incident nor have I talked to anyone directly involved, so I'm speaking in general terms only about what would be acceptable behavior in my eyes.

Hell Puppy

04-29-2005, 02:35 AM

Originally posted by Trev@Apr 28 2005, 05:04 PM
The fact that it went to two guys toe to toe, shows that something was out of order!

So Cory, say you hit one of the shows with your girl and I cop more than a feel, would “sorry I was tanked” fix it?
Again, I dont know the specifics here.

But I think anyone will tell you I'm not a violent person normally. However, I am protective. If it were my girl, I dont think anyone is gonna get a second ass grab in.

If I saw it, there would be a confrontation to explain that it wasn't acceptable, and the dude needs to step. I've had to do that before. Fortunately being a big guy and knowing how to "woof up" (southern term), I've never had anyone not realize that I was serious and push it further.

Most normal people stop when you make it clear they've committed an ass kicking offense that they should cease before the ass kicking commences. Those who are so stupid or have partaken in so much modern chemistry as to not be quite that reasonable need to be removed by the club management or hosts before it gets that far. When they aren't, that's how fights start.

In practice, in my old age, when I see those type of storm clouds brewing, I'm likely to exit before trouble starts. There's no business to be done in that environment. And I dont exactly have a party image that I need to protect.

*KK*

04-29-2005, 04:07 AM

Frankly, I've seen worse from the harassment point at non-adult tradeshows. It's amazing how you get a couple of thousand guys together, away from home and the wife, and their behaviour disintegrates into that of the average frat boy during rush week.

Shit happens, everyone makes mistakes. Hopefully Rinaldo will learn from his, otherwise he'll be another newbie nova. Probably a toss up as to which one at this point, imo.

We can all sit around and say we'd never do this or never do that, or we'd fire someone, tell them to go to rehab, etc. When it comes down to it, every situation is unique and who knows what any of us might do.

As my dear friend Nick is so fond of saying, we have all the morals we can afford. It's not because we're in adult, it's because we're human.

gonzo

04-29-2005, 09:37 AM

"He sux cock by choice" - Deadwood

Jason Biggs would not be proud.

Nickatilynx

04-29-2005, 09:55 AM

""""As my dear friend Nick is so fond of saying, we have all the morals we can afford. It's not because we're in adult, it's because we're human. """"

Nice! :)

As Jesus said , "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
((what is omitted is that immediate following this remark a huge rock flew out of the crowd and twatted the poor victim of the stoning in the head resulting in Jesus sighing and saying "Sometimes Mum you piss me right off!" ))

Frankly anyone who knows me is aware that if I was the husband I would have smacked the shit out of him.

I think people that grew up in either Europe or Aussie are far more likely to react with violence than North Americans.

Trev

04-29-2005, 10:06 AM

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Apr 29 2005, 02:56 PM
I think people that grew up in either Europe or Aussie are far more likely to react with violence than North Americans.
Sadly it's true... sometimes a good kicking works better than shouting and balling...

Peaches

04-29-2005, 10:13 AM

Originally posted by *KK*@Apr 29 2005, 04:08 AM
Frankly, I've seen worse from the harassment point at non-adult tradeshows. It's amazing how you get a couple of thousand guys together, away from home and the wife, and their behaviour disintegrates into that of the average frat boy during rush week.
Ditto. Heck, the MCI and Sprint conventions make our shows look tame!

Bottom line - we've all made mistakes. Sometimes we could apologize and everything's fine, sometimes we get more severe ramifications.

But as far as the poll is concerned, everything is, and should be, done on a case by case basis.

Brad Mitchell

04-29-2005, 10:23 AM

With all due respect to both Nick and KK, morals don't have anything to do with this situation.

This is business, pure and simple; and, if an employee acts in a way that can cost the company current or future revenues, then the situation calls for an action, be it a lecture or a firing.

Phoenix

04-29-2005, 10:31 AM

alli remember seeing was everyone getting along..and lots of fun and laughter from the complaining parties when they were with the said individual....scary how fast some will go for the throat in this business.

anyway, i dont care..i stay far away from content girls for a reason at shows.

Rinaldo is a good kid, mistakes happen..he is still young, we all have a decade on him almost...Hope he makes out ok

Nickatilynx

04-29-2005, 10:31 AM

Why is it everytime someone calls me a cunt , it starts out with "With all due respect..."

;-))

VooMan

04-29-2005, 10:38 AM

Originally posted by Brad Mitchell@Apr 28 2005, 07:50 PM

I have been known to drink at shows. I certainly hope I'm not perceived as one of the obnoxious ones; but, as others have pointed out, it's my company and it is my choice as to how people 'see' me.

You know Brad, you are well known as a rabblerowzing badass. You're always out of control at shows, and your crazy staff and their endless cigar smoking and coffee drinking are just as bad.

LOLOLOL

I always enjoy hanging around with you, Bill, Cory, etc... at shows. Some of the most professional guys around. :)

Rinaldo

04-29-2005, 10:46 AM

Thanks for the thread I actually get a smile on my face the more this gets dragged through the mud.
FIrstly I do not recall grabbing anyone without permission, if any of you go to message boards as often as you obviously seem to do you'd have seen my photos with about 50 women all smiling with their breast exposed blowing me kisses and what have you.
I do not need to harrass women I'm 23 and I'm not hideous.
What seems to have happened is everyone decided to get up on that Horse and talk shit down to me, well everyone has done stupid shit, I have never called anyone out after 3 and a half years of going to shows, I've seen chairs thrown off balconies, people arrested, prostetutes running out of rooms crying, come on. I've apologized to the masses for being drunk, that I have no shame admitting. I have learned my lesson as well.

FIrstly I'm not going to drink like I used to, I thought about it and I really don't enjoy it anyways, you wake up the next day feeling like total shit.

Second, I won't be over exposing myself trying to brand whomever I work for. I was way too far in the forefront and it burned me in the end.

TO those parties involved I'm sorry this lead to a public discussion, I would have preferred a phone call at the very least.

Cory I did apologize both through email and in it's own thread, they accepted my apology for being drunk and for my immature comment in her thread and that is one of the things I truly regret doing.

gonzo

04-29-2005, 10:49 AM

Originally posted by Brad Mitchell@Apr 29 2005, 09:24 AM
With all due respect to both Nick and KK, morals don't have anything to do with this situation.

This is business, pure and simple; and, if an employee acts in a way that can cost the company current or future revenues, then the situation calls for an action, be it a lecture or a firing.
Brad you got to realize some people's value system consists of "He's a good guy....he bought me drinks."

Dont take a stand against anything and soon you will fall down. All I can say is I hope some pople enjoy their time in this business. The next job might not have these types of parties to attend.

Cyndalie

04-29-2005, 10:50 AM

The sad thing is, it's not just the employees - it's the company owners and principals as well that get away with type of behavior pretty much scot-free. You don't have to be "content" to be treated badly by drunken "professionals". Not only is it humiliating for the woman when it happens to then, being the subject of debate about it later is even more embarassing. Good thing the women in this business are tough.

gonzo

04-29-2005, 10:51 AM

Originally posted by Rinaldo@Apr 29 2005, 09:47 AM
Thanks for the thread I actually get a smile on my face the more this gets dragged through the mud.

Thanks for validating what I've been posting.

Rinaldo

04-29-2005, 10:55 AM

Originally posted by gonzo+Apr 29 2005, 06:52 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gonzo @ Apr 29 2005, 06:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Rinaldo@Apr 29 2005, 09:47 AM
Thanks for the thread I actually get a smile on my face the more this gets dragged through the mud.

Thanks for validating what I've been posting. [/b][/quote]
Gonzo,
the truth is this isn't the worst thing that's ever happened and people are making it out to be.
I am not defending myself in any way. Fuck I made a mistake either way getting drunk. I know Myself and I wasn't acting in my best interests.

gonzo

04-29-2005, 11:05 AM

Originally posted by Rinaldo+Apr 29 2005, 09:56 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Rinaldo @ Apr 29 2005, 09:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by gonzo@Apr 29 2005, 06:52 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Rinaldo@Apr 29 2005, 09:47 AM
Thanks for the thread I actually get a smile on my face the more this gets dragged through the mud.

Thanks for validating what I've been posting.
Gonzo,
the truth is this isn't the worst thing that's ever happened and people are making it out to be.
I am not defending myself in any way. Fuck I made a mistake either way getting drunk. I know Myself and I wasn't acting in my best interests. [/b][/quote]
I will agree with you. Its not the worst thing that has happened nor will it be the worst thing that ever will happen.

You at least have a few things in your favor...

1. You apologized
2. You have the stones to show up and respond.

and most importantly

3. You didnt come up with a lame ass excuse of "Blacking out" or blaming it on someone "spiking your drink".

This thread wasnt meant to single you out. Its more of my reaction to a couple of things that disgust me when it comes to some peoples attitude in this business.

1. Women/Content in this business are whores and are to be treated as such.
2. Its ok to behave like an ass in this business if you apologize... even if you could have killed someone hurling chairs at them.

If it were me [and Im sure you probably have] Id spend the effort on making things right with the women and their husbands.

Nickatilynx

04-29-2005, 11:11 AM

Gonzo , mate ,

If you fall off that horse mate it sure is gonna smart!!!! LOL

I have first hand experience of waaaaaayyyyyyyy worse happening at conferences for Stockbrokers , and Lloyds brokers , in the 80s or 90s.

Rinaldo

04-29-2005, 11:14 AM

Originally posted by gonzo+Apr 29 2005, 07:06 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gonzo @ Apr 29 2005, 07:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Rinaldo@Apr 29 2005, 09:56 AM
Originally posted by gonzo@Apr 29 2005, 06:52 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Rinaldo@Apr 29 2005, 09:47 AM
Thanks for the thread I actually get a smile on my face the more this gets dragged through the mud.

Thanks for validating what I've been posting.
Gonzo,
the truth is this isn't the worst thing that's ever happened and people are making it out to be.
I am not defending myself in any way. Fuck I made a mistake either way getting drunk. I know Myself and I wasn't acting in my best interests.
I will agree with you. Its not the worst thing that has happened nor will it be the worst thing that ever will happen.

You at least have a few things in your favor...

1. You apologized
2. You have the stones to show up and respond.

and most importantly

3. You didnt come up with a lame ass excuse of "Blacking out" or blaming it on someone "spiking your drink".

This thread wasnt meant to single you out. Its more of my reaction to a couple of things that disgust me when it comes to some peoples attitude in this business.

1. Women/Content in this business are whores and are to be treated as such.
2. Its ok to behave like an ass in this business if you apologize... even if you could have killed someone hurling chairs at them.

If it were me [and Im sure you probably have] Id spend the effort on making things right with the women and their husbands. [/b][/quote]
I'm being honest and open about this: I do not and have not, in my short life span, ever accept that sort of behavior and I would make every effort to apologize and make things right.
However I'm also not goign to beg, I did make mistakes, the most I can do is offer to mend the scars it's created.

I have no reservations handing out my cell number or my email address if anyone so wishes to reach me directly and that's how I prefer to handle things if speaking in person isn't an option. I am a little disappointed that things were carried out on openly. But I deserved it I assume through my moronic comments

Nickatilynx

04-29-2005, 11:22 AM

Pretty hard to keep beating on a kid when he has apologised.

Rinaldo has apologised to all involved.

I think this thread has run its course.

Though it is interesting seeing the ripe mixture of "holier than thou" and boardwhores acting like a "C" Class porn actress at an orgy (ie Not knowing whose cock to suck next) LOL

Good thread though gonzo... :)

gonzo

04-29-2005, 11:23 AM

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Apr 29 2005, 10:12 AM
Gonzo , mate ,

If you fall off that horse mate it sure is gonna smart!!!! LOL

I have first hand experience of waaaaaayyyyyyyy worse happening at conferences for Stockbrokers , and Lloyds brokers , in the 80s or 90s.
.... but you know I wont.

Call it a high horse or a soapbox if you want to but I know you know thats this is how I was raised. Just because I peddle pussy doesnt meant that I check morality and common decency at the door.

Speaking of horses though... we got both sides of the story now so Ill find some more shit to stir!

Weg Cory

04-29-2005, 12:27 PM

Originally posted by Hell Puppy+Apr 28 2005, 10:23 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hell Puppy @ Apr 28 2005, 10:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Weg Cory@Apr 28 2005, 04:46 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-gonzo@Apr 28 2005, 01:10 PM
Theres no excuse for someone to get drunk and disorderly...man handle a feel up a woman and then when told to cool it own down talk smack back to the owmans husband. It doesnt matter if its a convention or a house party.

Where Im from its called an instant ass whipping.
Well, I am not all about beating people up, I think he (both husbands involved) did the standup thing. Like I said, I think he should have apologized to her. I think had he done that, nothing would have steamrolled. I also stated that I know her pretty well and that would have been good enough for her. She is a classy girl and a professional.

What "he did" and the extent of what we are talking about now are not really one in the same. The thread meandered a bit. If you are discussing him as an isolated event, that is not the same as your very general thread title. This is why I am weary of posting in threads like this, people tend to not understand the nuances.

I don't have enough time to explain all of that however.

Step back and take a look at the mentality dealt with in this industry. We all read the boards. Getting drunk (the general scenario) hardly matches up to the daily ignorant ramblings I see on chat boards.

I have not the time for that either.
By industry standards, I'm a prude. I'll drink a bit, and have a good time, but I'm really not here to get drunk, laid or high. I'm in the industry to do biz and make money.

However, I also accept the fact that this isn't an industry where the trade shows and conventions consist of employees wear khaki pants and polo shirts with the company logo. Drones that wont say anything to a customer or client that hasn't been rehearsed and approved by a director of corporate communications or marketing.

There will be drinking, nudity, sex and what would in normal circles be socially unacceptable behavior. You best be prepared for it. And if you're an employer and sending someone who hasn't been before you best make sure they can handle it and prep them.

But there still have to be boundaries. To me, anything that harms another individual or puts them in harms way is out of bounds. Plain and simple. Starting a fight, throwing chairs into the atrium, physically making unwanted sexual advances especially after being asked to knock it off, all would fall into that category. And saying "oops, my bad, i'm sorry" doesn't make it all right in most cases.

Again, for me personally, i'd fire one of my guys for that type of thing. I cant even invision any of them putting themselves in such a position. But hey, again, I'm a prude.

I do not know all of the specifics of the incident nor have I talked to anyone directly involved, so I'm speaking in general terms only about what would be acceptable behavior in my eyes. [/b][/quote]
"But there still have to be boundaries. To me, anything that harms another individual or puts them in harms way is out of bounds. Plain and simple. Starting a fight, throwing chairs into the atrium, physically making unwanted sexual advances especially after being asked to knock it off, all would fall into that category. And saying "oops, my bad, i'm sorry" doesn't make it all right in most cases."

I agree with that.

Weg Cory

04-29-2005, 12:57 PM

Rinaldo, I never cared about what you did as much as how you handled it after the fact. I am friends with her, and had you just said sorry, I would have advised her to just let it go (not that i would have had to). You brought it on yourself by insulting her. You are kind of the guy that cheated on his girl and then bragged to all her friends about it. It isn't the worst thing, hell, if we are speaking in terms of just being intoxicated, I could likely match you. You just aren't very good at damage control. As most will tell you, I am :)

Gonzo, I think you are being a bit holier than now. You are asserting you were raised with certain standards, keep in mind that some people may view sending a camera crew to a woman's home and posting it all over the Internet as below the ethics threshold. Posting personal information may fall into that category as well. At the end of the day, I don't care. One of the reasons I have this job, is due to my ability to write, appeal to clients, entertain (sometimes involves drinking with), and keep our company in a professional light (these are my exterior duties that is). So when I see others behave counter to this, I view it like you view someone intoxicated at a show. But to each there own.

VooMan, thanks brother. Always good seeing you.

HP, we agree more than we disagree. Now, consider this, what if you hired me to promote your product. Would you want me to go to the show and be a fun. likeable guy? Or some stiff? With the former it may be irresponsible to assume that nothing gets done :)

Nickatilynx

04-29-2005, 01:05 PM

""""One of the reasons I have this job, is due to my ability to write, appeal to clients, entertain (sometimes involves drinking with), and keep our company in a professional light (these are my exterior duties that is). So when I see others behave counter to this, I view it like you view someone intoxicated at a show.""""

Does that translate to "kiss up to everyone who might be important" ?

;-))))

And that isn't a criticism. Its a very necessary job.

JoesHO

04-29-2005, 01:08 PM

Originally posted by Weg Cory@Apr 29 2005, 08:58 AM
Rinaldo, I never cared about what you did as much as how you handled it after the fact. I am friends with her, and had you just said sorry, I would have advised her to just let it go (not that i would have had to). You brought it on yourself by insulting her. You are kind of the guy that cheated on his girl and then bragged to all her friends about it. It isn't the worst thing, hell, if we are speaking in terms of just being intoxicated, I could likely match you. You just aren't very good at damage control. As most will tell you, I am :)

Gonzo, I think you are being a bit holier than now. You are asserting you were raised with certain standards, keep in mind that some people may view sending a camera crew to a woman's home and posting it all over the Internet as below the ethics threshold. Posting personal information may fall into that category as well. At the end of the day, I don't care. One of the reasons I have this job, is due to my ability to write, appeal to clients, entertain (sometimes involves drinking with), and keep our company in a professional light (these are my exterior duties that is). So when I see others behave counter to this, I view it like you view someone intoxicated at a show. But to each there own.

VooMan, thanks brother. Always good seeing you.

HP, we agree more than we disagree. Now, consider this, what if you hired me to promote your product. Would you want me to go to the show and be a fun. likeable guy? Or some stiff? With the former it may be irresponsible to assume that nothing gets done :)
Cory, Cory, Cory....

:( for someone that likes to keep reminding everyone how mature he is, and how to deal with their problems,

You sure do seem to dwell on you own, and sling shit

FUCKING HYPOCRITE

and you know exactly what I am talking about, so live by your own words .
Try that out once see how it is how about that ?

gonzo

04-29-2005, 01:18 PM

Originally posted by Weg Cory@Apr 29 2005, 11:58 AM
Gonzo, I think you are being a bit holier than now. You are asserting you were raised with certain standards, keep in mind that some people may view sending a camera crew to a woman's home and posting it all over the Internet as below the ethics threshold. Posting personal information may fall into that category as well. At the end of the day, I don't care. One of the reasons I have this job, is due to my ability to write, appeal to clients, entertain (sometimes involves drinking with), and keep our company in a professional light (these are my exterior duties that is). So when I see others behave counter to this, I view it like you view someone intoxicated at a show. But to each there own.

No holy water here. Im not catholic.
Here are a few facts for you though since the Confucy episode seems to be a curiosity.

1. I never sent anyone to anybodys home.
2. A person with A camera does not constitute a camera crew.
3. If your information is publically availible on the internet how can it be called private? It's published to the world.

Information wants to be free.
As you say though each to their own. We just don't share the same views.

Weg Cory

04-29-2005, 01:22 PM

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Apr 29 2005, 09:06 AM
""""One of the reasons I have this job, is due to my ability to write, appeal to clients, entertain (sometimes involves drinking with), and keep our company in a professional light (these are my exterior duties that is). So when I see others behave counter to this, I view it like you view someone intoxicated at a show.""""

Does that translate to "kiss up to everyone who might be important" ?

;-))))

And that isn't a criticism. Its a very necessary job.
Maybe? Not sure. I pretty much try to befriend anyone I can. That includes you :)

In all honesty however, I am like that outside of this industry. I pretty much talk to everyone. Like I say, my only real notable board drama was here. That isn't too bad.

I see people at shows that despise talking to others. I never get that.

Weg Cory

04-29-2005, 01:27 PM

Originally posted by JoesHO1+Apr 29 2005, 09:09 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JoesHO1 @ Apr 29 2005, 09:09 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Weg Cory@Apr 29 2005, 08:58 AM
Rinaldo, I never cared about what you did as much as how you handled it after the fact. I am friends with her, and had you just said sorry, I would have advised her to just let it go (not that i would have had to). You brought it on yourself by insulting her. You are kind of the guy that cheated on his girl and then bragged to all her friends about it. It isn't the worst thing, hell, if we are speaking in terms of just being intoxicated, I could likely match you. You just aren't very good at damage control. As most will tell you, I am :)

Gonzo, I think you are being a bit holier than now. You are asserting you were raised with certain standards, keep in mind that some people may view sending a camera crew to a woman's home and posting it all over the Internet as below the ethics threshold. Posting personal information may fall into that category as well. At the end of the day, I don't care. One of the reasons I have this job, is due to my ability to write, appeal to clients, entertain (sometimes involves drinking with), and keep our company in a professional light (these are my exterior duties that is). So when I see others behave counter to this, I view it like you view someone intoxicated at a show. But to each there own.

VooMan, thanks brother. Always good seeing you.

HP, we agree more than we disagree. Now, consider this, what if you hired me to promote your product. Would you want me to go to the show and be a fun. likeable guy? Or some stiff? With the former it may be irresponsible to assume that nothing gets done :)
Cory, Cory, Cory....

:( for someone that likes to keep reminding everyone how mature he is, and how to deal with their problems,

You sure do seem to dwell on you own, and sling shit

FUCKING HYPOCRITE

and you know exactly what I am talking about, so live by your own words .
Try that out once see how it is how about that ? [/b][/quote]
I am not slinging anything. We are opening up in this thread? Or not? No dwelling. Gonzo and I do not see eye to eye on a lot of things, that is life. That is a reality. Your reply is aggressive, his in not. I think he understands that.

I am merely pointing out how we all have different views. That is all. If that is a problem, just let me know. You say the word, I will stop posting here.

Weg Cory

04-29-2005, 01:28 PM

Originally posted by gonzo+Apr 29 2005, 09:19 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gonzo @ Apr 29 2005, 09:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Weg Cory@Apr 29 2005, 11:58 AM
Gonzo, I think you are being a bit holier than now. You are asserting you were raised with certain standards, keep in mind that some people may view sending a camera crew to a woman's home and posting it all over the Internet as below the ethics threshold. Posting personal information may fall into that category as well. At the end of the day, I don't care. One of the reasons I have this job, is due to my ability to write, appeal to clients, entertain (sometimes involves drinking with), and keep our company in a professional light (these are my exterior duties that is). So when I see others behave counter to this, I view it like you view someone intoxicated at a show. But to each there own.

No holy water here. Im not catholic.
Here are a few facts for you though since the Confucy episode seems to be a curiosity.

1. I never sent anyone to anybodys home.
2. A person with A camera does not constitute a camera crew.
3. If your information is publically availible on the internet how can it be called private? It's published to the world.

Information wants to be free.
As you say though each to their own. We just don't share the same views. [/b][/quote]
Exactly what I am saying. Maybe I don't understand you?

Are you saying you are upset at those who are drunk at a show? Or those that are drunk and exhibit some type of outlandish behavior?

They really are not the same.

gonzo

04-29-2005, 01:33 PM

I went back over to the Zoo where all this was aired out orginally since both sides were brought to light.

In all fairness to Rinaldo.... looking at the chronology of things ... it seems that his behaviour wasnt called into question [at least on the board] until he said that 'Niller had ugly tits.

Its hard to follow over there but it seems shortly after he made that comment was when he was "outted" as a bad boy.

Am I misreading the thread? Is there any truth to the rumor that its drove her to get a new boob job?

Spin? Counterspin?

Nickatilynx

04-29-2005, 01:34 PM

I think you are both saying the same thing lol.....

I'm just happy everyone is nice to me :)

I guess it cause I'm so nice and pleasant and good looking too.....

or is it the ability to send 100 plus sales a day.... ;-))))

Nawwww all these people like me cause I'm real nice , not cause I can send joins....

I must stop being so cynical.

;-)))

Nickatilynx

04-29-2005, 01:36 PM

I'm also happy that the people I do business with are friends that I have done business with for years , Oprano family.

I seriously don't know most of the names on GFY....

Who is whose rep , and who owns a little proggie...

Thank fuck for Oprano family , so I can just deal with them. :)

gonzo

04-29-2005, 01:42 PM

Originally posted by Weg Cory+Apr 29 2005, 12:29 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Weg Cory @ Apr 29 2005, 12:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by gonzo@Apr 29 2005, 09:19 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Weg Cory@Apr 29 2005, 11:58 AM
Gonzo, I think you are being a bit holier than now. You are asserting you were raised with certain standards, keep in mind that some people may view sending a camera crew to a woman's home and posting it all over the Internet as below the ethics threshold. Posting personal information may fall into that category as well. At the end of the day, I don't care. One of the reasons I have this job, is due to my ability to write, appeal to clients, entertain (sometimes involves drinking with), and keep our company in a professional light (these are my exterior duties that is). So when I see others behave counter to this, I view it like you view someone intoxicated at a show. But to each there own.

No holy water here. Im not catholic.
Here are a few facts for you though since the Confucy episode seems to be a curiosity.

1. I never sent anyone to anybodys home.
2. A person with A camera does not constitute a camera crew.
3. If your information is publically availible on the internet how can it be called private? It's published to the world.

Information wants to be free.
As you say though each to their own. We just don't share the same views.
Exactly what I am saying. Maybe I don't understand you?

Are you saying you are upset at those who are drunk at a show? Or those that are drunk and exhibit some type of outlandish behavior?

They really are not the same. [/b][/quote]
You gotta be kidding? Only a hypocrite would whine about outlandish behaviour at a show and then run around bare chested in a ill fitting fur coat in the same breath.

Its just a matter of respect and common courtesy.
Some folks have said this goes on at mainstream shows. Having been to several in the past [Comdex/InterOp/CES] I cant say that Ive ever seen it happen. I have heard of people being fired for haveing too much to drink and emabrrinsg the company. Nothing like what we are discussing.

My experience in mainstream has been that if you act like an ass at a trade show your fired on the spot and in some cases issued a Greyhound ticket instead of a Delta one.

Nickatilynx

04-29-2005, 01:48 PM

Gonzo ,

So........

some hypotheticals...

a.)This guy works for you , you fire him.
b.) This guy send you 200 joins a day , what do you do? Accept his traffic?
c.) This guy is a friend of yours. Excuse it as boyish high spirits and say he's been reprimanded.

Nickatilynx

04-29-2005, 01:49 PM

Cory,

Say it isn't rinaldo...say its Weg's biggest Whale.

What are you gonna do?

Nickatilynx

04-29-2005, 01:52 PM

There is no black and white only shades of grey. :)

gonzo

04-29-2005, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Apr 29 2005, 12:49 PM
Gonzo ,

So........

some hypotheticals...

a.)This guy works for you , you fire him.
b.) This guy send you 200 joins a day , what do you do? Accept his traffic?
c.) This guy is a friend of yours. Excuse it as boyish high spirits and say he's been reprimanded.
Nick...

A is the correct answer.

Nickatilynx

04-29-2005, 01:58 PM

Originally posted by gonzo+Apr 29 2005, 09:57 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gonzo @ Apr 29 2005, 09:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@Apr 29 2005, 12:49 PM
Gonzo ,

So........

some hypotheticals...

a.)This guy works for you , you fire him.
b.) This guy send you 200 joins a day , what do you do? Accept his traffic?
c.) This guy is a friend of yours. Excuse it as boyish high spirits and say he's been reprimanded.
Nick...

A is the correct answer. [/b][/quote]
What if this guy sends 200 a joins a day , everyday to Gonzobucks?

You gonna cancel his account?

Cory , are you?

I see peoples saddles sliding a little....

;-))))

JoesHO

04-29-2005, 02:00 PM

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Apr 29 2005, 09:59 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Apr 29 2005, 09:59 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by gonzo@Apr 29 2005, 09:57 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@Apr 29 2005, 12:49 PM
Gonzo ,

So........

some hypotheticals...

a.)This guy works for you , you fire him.
b.) This guy send you 200 joins a day , what do you do? Accept his traffic?
c.) This guy is a friend of yours. Excuse it as boyish high spirits and say he's been reprimanded.
Nick...

A is the correct answer.
What if this guy sends 200 a joins a day , everyday to Gonzobucks?

You gonna cancel his account?

Cory , are you?

I see peoples saddles sliding a little....

;-)))) [/b][/quote]
HELL No you buy him a drink, ( and just remember to take him offsite at the next show LOL)

Nickatilynx

04-29-2005, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by JoesHO1+Apr 29 2005, 10:01 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JoesHO1 @ Apr 29 2005, 10:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Apr 29 2005, 09:59 AM
Originally posted by gonzo@Apr 29 2005, 09:57 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@Apr 29 2005, 12:49 PM
Gonzo ,

So........

some hypotheticals...

a.)This guy works for you , you fire him.
b.) This guy send you 200 joins a day , what do you do? Accept his traffic?
c.) This guy is a friend of yours. Excuse it as boyish high spirits and say he's been reprimanded.
Nick...

A is the correct answer.
What if this guy sends 200 a joins a day , everyday to Gonzobucks?

You gonna cancel his account?

Cory , are you?

I see peoples saddles sliding a little....

;-))))
HELL No you buy him a drink, ( and just remember to take him offsite at the next show LOL) [/b][/quote]
Silence!!! No coaching!!! LOL

I want to see what Arch Deacon Cory , and Reverand Gonzo would do.

:)

gonzo

04-29-2005, 02:09 PM

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Apr 29 2005, 12:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Apr 29 2005, 12:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by gonzo@Apr 29 2005, 09:57 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@Apr 29 2005, 12:49 PM
Gonzo ,

So........

some hypotheticals...

a.)This guy works for you , you fire him.
b.) This guy send you 200 joins a day , what do you do? Accept his traffic?
c.) This guy is a friend of yours. Excuse it as boyish high spirits and say he's been reprimanded.
Nick...

A is the correct answer.
What if this guy sends 200 a joins a day , everyday to Gonzobucks?

You gonna cancel his account?

Cory , are you?

I see peoples saddles sliding a little....

;-)))) [/b][/quote]
I answered ya.

I recall a Hosted TGP program that removed a sponsor for talking smack about them a few months ago. I think he was doing substantial biz with them too. hahah

Weg Cory

04-29-2005, 02:12 PM

Originally posted by gonzo@Apr 29 2005, 09:34 AM
I went back over to the Zoo where all this was aired out orginally since both sides were brought to light.

In all fairness to Rinaldo.... looking at the chronology of things ... it seems that his behaviour wasnt called into question [at least on the board] until he said that 'Niller had ugly tits.

Its hard to follow over there but it seems shortly after he made that comment was when he was "outted" as a bad boy.

Am I misreading the thread? Is there any truth to the rumor that its drove her to get a new boob job?

Spin? Counterspin?
There you go.

My point exactly. His mistake was after the events :)

JoesHO

04-29-2005, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by gonzo+Apr 29 2005, 10:10 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gonzo @ Apr 29 2005, 10:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Apr 29 2005, 12:59 PM
Originally posted by gonzo@Apr 29 2005, 09:57 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@Apr 29 2005, 12:49 PM
Gonzo ,

So........

some hypotheticals...

a.)This guy works for you , you fire him.
b.) This guy send you 200 joins a day , what do you do? Accept his traffic?
c.) This guy is a friend of yours. Excuse it as boyish high spirits and say he's been reprimanded.
Nick...

A is the correct answer.
What if this guy sends 200 a joins a day , everyday to Gonzobucks?

You gonna cancel his account?

Cory , are you?

I see peoples saddles sliding a little....

;-))))
I answered ya.

I recall a Hosted TGP program that removed a sponsor for talking smack about them a few months ago. I think he was doing substantial biz with them too. hahah [/b][/quote]
:D

Nickatilynx

04-29-2005, 02:13 PM

gonzo

04-29-2005, 02:22 PM

Originally posted by Weg Cory+Apr 29 2005, 01:13 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Weg Cory @ Apr 29 2005, 01:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-gonzo@Apr 29 2005, 09:34 AM
I went back over to the Zoo where all this was aired out orginally since both sides were brought to light.

In all fairness to Rinaldo.... looking at the chronology of things ... it seems that his behaviour wasnt called into question [at least on the board] until he said that 'Niller had ugly tits.

Its hard to follow over there but it seems shortly after he made that comment was when he was "outted" as a bad boy.

Am I misreading the thread? Is there any truth to the rumor that its drove her to get a new boob job?

Spin? Counterspin?
There you go.

My point exactly. His mistake was after the events :) [/b][/quote]
Now Im confused....so the groping, man handling and isolant mouth wasnt a mistake?

Or it was ok until he made those comments?

gonzo

04-29-2005, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Apr 29 2005, 01:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Apr 29 2005, 01:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by gonzo@Apr 29 2005, 10:10 AM
Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Apr 29 2005, 12:59 PM
Originally posted by gonzo@Apr 29 2005, 09:57 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@Apr 29 2005, 12:49 PM
Gonzo ,

So........

some hypotheticals...

a.)This guy works for you , you fire him.
b.) This guy send you 200 joins a day , what do you do? Accept his traffic?
c.) This guy is a friend of yours. Excuse it as boyish high spirits and say he's been reprimanded.
Nick...

A is the correct answer.
What if this guy sends 200 a joins a day , everyday to Gonzobucks?

You gonna cancel his account?

Cory , are you?

I see peoples saddles sliding a little....

;-))))
I answered ya.

I recall a Hosted TGP program that removed a sponsor for talking smack about them a few months ago. I think he was doing substantial biz with them too. hahah
define substantial...lol [/b][/quote]
Enought to make an order of Vegas Cocktail and complain the next day when his drugs werent there.

Nickatilynx

04-29-2005, 02:24 PM

Peaches

04-29-2005, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Apr 29 2005, 01:50 PM
Cory,

Say it isn't rinaldo...say its Weg's biggest Whale.

What are you gonna do?
I can honestly say that WEG HAS refused to do business with "whales" based on unprofessional things said on and off the boards.

J&J may be good Jews, but they're better people and I've seen them leave money on the table just on principle. It's one of the reasons I have a lot of respect for them (and the rest of the company....except for that Gabe fellow....).

Trev

04-29-2005, 02:33 PM

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Apr 29 2005, 07:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Apr 29 2005, 07:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by gonzo@Apr 29 2005, 10:23 AM
Originally posted by Weg Cory@Apr 29 2005, 01:13 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-gonzo@Apr 29 2005, 09:34 AM
I went back over to the Zoo where all this was aired out orginally since both sides were brought to light.

In all fairness to Rinaldo.... looking at the chronology of things ... it seems that his behaviour wasnt called into question [at least on the board] until he said that 'Niller had ugly tits.

Its hard to follow over there but it seems shortly after he made that comment was when he was "outted" as a bad boy.

Am I misreading the thread? Is there any truth to the rumor that its drove her to get a new boob job?

Spin? Counterspin?
There you go.

My point exactly. His mistake was after the events :)
Now Im confused....so the groping, man handling and isolant mouth wasnt a mistake?

Or it was ok until he made those comments?
If the woman's husband was an Aussie or a Brit he would have curbstomped him and this debate would never have arisen.

;-))) [/b][/quote]
If that was the case this thread would be titled "So some guy cops a feel of your wife, is it ok to jump on his head till his eyeballs pop?"

gonzo

04-29-2005, 02:33 PM

Originally posted by Peaches+Apr 29 2005, 01:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Apr 29 2005, 01:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@Apr 29 2005, 01:50 PM
Cory,

Say it isn't rinaldo...say its Weg's biggest Whale.

What are you gonna do?
I can honestly say that WEG HAS refused to do business with "whales" based on unprofessional things said on and off the boards.

J&J may be good Jews, but they're better people and I've seen them leave money on the table just on principle. It's one of the reasons I have a lot of respect for them (and the rest of the company....except for that Gabe fellow....). [/b][/quote]
Same whale.... but they are looking for a retention manager...and a programmer.... but part time.

Weg Cory

04-29-2005, 02:33 PM

Nick,

200 joins a day?

Not a damn thing. If I hire a rep that gets drunk at a show and gets in a chair throwing match with Wiseman but picks up that whale, he gets to stay as well :)

If Rinaldo worked for me, I would not have fired him at all. I would have sat him down and said, "ok, you are here, you need to be here, do this and all will be fine:)"

If he can do it, all is fine. If not, things are different.

I got into an issue at a show many years back. KK likely recalls. That said, I handled it like a pro. I didn't hurt anyone, was more just annoying. But hell, I am annoying sober :)

Vanilla is a friend, but Rinaldo made a bad PR move. People can say what they like about me, I tend to be good at the PR stuff :)

Peaches

04-29-2005, 02:36 PM

Originally posted by Weg Cory@Apr 29 2005, 02:34 PM
was more just annoying. But hell, I am annoying sober :)
Preaching to the choir, brotha! :nyanya:

Nickatilynx

04-29-2005, 02:37 PM

Originally posted by Peaches+Apr 29 2005, 10:31 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Apr 29 2005, 10:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@Apr 29 2005, 01:50 PM
Cory,

Say it isn't rinaldo...say its Weg's biggest Whale.

What are you gonna do?
I can honestly say that WEG HAS refused to do business with "whales" based on unprofessional things said on and off the boards.

J&J may be good Jews, but they're better people and I've seen them leave money on the table just on principle. It's one of the reasons I have a lot of respect for them (and the rest of the company....except for that Gabe fellow....). [/b][/quote]

Oh dear...lol

Nickatilynx

04-29-2005, 02:38 PM

Originally posted by Weg Cory@Apr 29 2005, 10:34 AM
Nick,

200 joins a day?

Not a damn thing. If I hire a rep that gets drunk at a show and gets in a chair throwing match with Wiseman but picks up that whale, he gets to stay as well :)

If Rinaldo worked for me, I would not have fired him at all. I would have sat him down and said, "ok, you are here, you need to be here, do this and all will be fine:)"

If he can do it, all is fine. If not, things are different.

I got into an issue at a show many years back. KK likely recalls. That said, I handled it like a pro. I didn't hurt anyone, was more just annoying. But hell, I am annoying sober :)

Vanilla is a friend, but Rinaldo made a bad PR move. People can say what they like about me, I tend to be good at the PR stuff :)
Could you guys at WEG make up your mind!!!

Peaches says you'll lose a whale over principle!

Cory says you won't!!!

Which is it??????

;-))))

gonzo

04-29-2005, 02:40 PM

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Apr 29 2005, 01:39 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Apr 29 2005, 01:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Weg Cory@Apr 29 2005, 10:34 AM
Nick,

200 joins a day?

Not a damn thing. If I hire a rep that gets drunk at a show and gets in a chair throwing match with Wiseman but picks up that whale, he gets to stay as well :)

If Rinaldo worked for me, I would not have fired him at all. I would have sat him down and said, "ok, you are here, you need to be here, do this and all will be fine:)"

If he can do it, all is fine. If not, things are different.

I got into an issue at a show many years back. KK likely recalls. That said, I handled it like a pro. I didn't hurt anyone, was more just annoying. But hell, I am annoying sober :)

Vanilla is a friend, but Rinaldo made a bad PR move. People can say what they like about me, I tend to be good at the PR stuff :)
Could you guys at WEG make up your mind!!!

Peaches says you'll lose a whale over principle!

Cory says you won't!!!

Which is it??????

;-)))) [/b][/quote]
I think its the difference in the way you hold it in your mouth.

Peaches

04-29-2005, 02:41 PM

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Apr 29 2005, 02:39 PM
Could you guys at WEG make up your mind!!!

Peaches says you'll lose a whale over principle!

Cory says you won't!!!

Which is it??????

;-))))
Cory said HE wouldn't :) I said I've seen WEG do it. Apples and oranges. :okthumb:

Nickatilynx

04-29-2005, 02:43 PM

Originally posted by gonzo+Apr 29 2005, 10:41 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gonzo @ Apr 29 2005, 10:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Apr 29 2005, 01:39 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Weg Cory@Apr 29 2005, 10:34 AM
Nick,

200 joins a day?

Not a damn thing. If I hire a rep that gets drunk at a show and gets in a chair throwing match with Wiseman but picks up that whale, he gets to stay as well :)

If Rinaldo worked for me, I would not have fired him at all. I would have sat him down and said, "ok, you are here, you need to be here, do this and all will be fine:)"

If he can do it, all is fine. If not, things are different.

I got into an issue at a show many years back. KK likely recalls. That said, I handled it like a pro. I didn't hurt anyone, was more just annoying. But hell, I am annoying sober :)

Vanilla is a friend, but Rinaldo made a bad PR move. People can say what they like about me, I tend to be good at the PR stuff :)
Could you guys at WEG make up your mind!!!

Peaches says you'll lose a whale over principle!

Cory says you won't!!!

Which is it??????

;-))))
I think its the difference in the way you hold it in your mouth. [/b][/quote]
ahahahahahahahahahah

Nawww....

What they mean is...

5 joins a day , there principles hold true.
200 joins a day..."""what fucking principles"""

ahahahahahahahahahahahahah

We are all whores , the only variable is the price and currency.
We have the morals we can afford.

Hell its nice to be right!!!!!

Note: - this is not a criticisim...I think it is sound business :)

Weg Cory

04-29-2005, 02:44 PM

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Apr 29 2005, 10:39 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Apr 29 2005, 10:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Weg Cory@Apr 29 2005, 10:34 AM
Nick,

200 joins a day?

Not a damn thing. If I hire a rep that gets drunk at a show and gets in a chair throwing match with Wiseman but picks up that whale, he gets to stay as well :)

If Rinaldo worked for me, I would not have fired him at all. I would have sat him down and said, "ok, you are here, you need to be here, do this and all will be fine:)"

If he can do it, all is fine. If not, things are different.

I got into an issue at a show many years back. KK likely recalls. That said, I handled it like a pro. I didn't hurt anyone, was more just annoying. But hell, I am annoying sober :)

Vanilla is a friend, but Rinaldo made a bad PR move. People can say what they like about me, I tend to be good at the PR stuff :)
Could you guys at WEG make up your mind!!!

Peaches says you'll lose a whale over principle!

Cory says you won't!!!

Which is it??????

;-)))) [/b][/quote]
Don't care. I don't.

Now, there are exceptions to rules...

-Someone called Cory a jerk. No prob....take the account. I will even buy you beers. Ask around, I have done it before :)

-Someone gets loaded at a show and runs naked through the lobby...why would I care? Take the account.

I am not going to list acceptions, that would be digging a hole :)

But anyone who knows me knows full well I am highly tolerant. I may have a good time at shows, but I don't put myself first. Ask Aeon :)

Nickatilynx

04-29-2005, 02:46 PM

Originally posted by Weg Cory+Apr 29 2005, 10:45 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Weg Cory @ Apr 29 2005, 10:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Apr 29 2005, 10:39 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Weg Cory@Apr 29 2005, 10:34 AM
Nick,

200 joins a day?

Not a damn thing. If I hire a rep that gets drunk at a show and gets in a chair throwing match with Wiseman but picks up that whale, he gets to stay as well :)

If Rinaldo worked for me, I would not have fired him at all. I would have sat him down and said, "ok, you are here, you need to be here, do this and all will be fine:)"

If he can do it, all is fine. If not, things are different.

I got into an issue at a show many years back. KK likely recalls. That said, I handled it like a pro. I didn't hurt anyone, was more just annoying. But hell, I am annoying sober :)

Vanilla is a friend, but Rinaldo made a bad PR move. People can say what they like about me, I tend to be good at the PR stuff :)
Could you guys at WEG make up your mind!!!

Peaches says you'll lose a whale over principle!

Cory says you won't!!!

Which is it??????

;-))))
Don't care. I don't.

Now, there are exceptions to rules...

-Someone called Cory a jerk. No prob....take the account. I will even buy you beers. Ask around, I have done it before :)

-Someone gets loaded at a show and runs naked through the lobby...why would I care? Take the account.

I am not going to list acceptions, that would be digging a hole :)

But anyone who knows me knows full well I am highly tolerant. I may have a good time at shows, but I don't put myself first. Ask Aeon :) [/b][/quote]
So you agree , there is no black and white , only shades of grey?

;-))))

Nickatilynx

04-29-2005, 02:47 PM

Originally posted by Peaches+Apr 29 2005, 10:42 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Apr 29 2005, 10:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@Apr 29 2005, 02:39 PM
Could you guys at WEG make up your mind!!!

Peaches says you'll lose a whale over principle!

Cory says you won't!!!

Which is it??????

;-))))
Cory said HE wouldn't :) I said I've seen WEG do it. Apples and oranges. :okthumb: [/b][/quote]
Could you two work out the "party line" in icq first!!!

;-)))

read above ;-)))

Weg Cory

04-29-2005, 02:49 PM

Peaches is right. Sounds strange, but she is right.

I said I wouldn't. But at the end of the day, the owners make the decisions :)

I can plead a great case. But it always depends on what happened. It just doesn't come up that often.

Nickatilynx

04-29-2005, 02:50 PM

I'd like to say for the record , for me this is good natured ribbing.

Not a piss.

I have no problem with Cory (don't know the guy but am looking fwd to meeting him) and frankly have always liked peaches after years of arguing with her on boards.

I just like watching people who take the high ground squirm when it turns into a morass underneath them.

;-)))

Nickatilynx

04-29-2005, 02:51 PM

Ok...

So Wegcash will not take traffic from people who come accross on a board as dicks?

Trev

04-29-2005, 02:52 PM

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Apr 29 2005, 07:52 PM
Ok...

So Wegcash will not take traffic from people who come accross on a board as dicks?
Thats me fucked then :unsure:

Peaches

04-29-2005, 02:53 PM

Originally posted by Weg Cory@Apr 29 2005, 02:50 PM
Peaches is right. Sounds strange, but she is right.
I'm always right. If people could just ACCEPT that fact, your lives would just be so much easier :P

It just doesn't come up that often.
That is true. And if you think about it, in the grand scheme of things, with as many shows as have happened, with as much drinking and playing that goes on, this situation REALLY doesn't come up that often at all. In 7 years I think I can count the times on one hand where a rep for a company has done something so awful that they were fired/people stopped doing business with a company.

Weg Cory

04-29-2005, 02:54 PM

Yep, only shades of grey. Totally.

But keep in mind, we went astray. Rinaldo is not a whale, he worked for Dave.

You don't have me squirming, as I said, ask around, I don't care. Traffic is traffic, singups are signups. :)

Weg Cory

04-29-2005, 02:55 PM

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Apr 29 2005, 10:52 AM
Ok...

So Wegcash will not take traffic from people who come accross on a board as dicks?
No, we DO take it :)

Peaches

04-29-2005, 02:56 PM

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Apr 29 2005, 02:52 PM
Ok...

So Wegcash will not take traffic from people who come accross on a board as dicks?
Geeze, then we'd never accept any traffic at all :P

But there are lines that can be crossed in ANY situation.

Almighty Colin

04-29-2005, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by Peaches@Apr 29 2005, 01:57 PM

Geeze, then we'd never accept any traffic at all :P
:wnw: :wnw:

*KK*

04-29-2005, 03:08 PM

Wow, this thread has more turns in it than the 24 Hours of LeMans ;)

Weg Cory

04-29-2005, 03:15 PM

Originally posted by gonzo+Apr 29 2005, 10:23 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gonzo @ Apr 29 2005, 10:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Weg Cory@Apr 29 2005, 01:13 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-gonzo@Apr 29 2005, 09:34 AM
I went back over to the Zoo where all this was aired out orginally since both sides were brought to light.

In all fairness to Rinaldo.... looking at the chronology of things ... it seems that his behaviour wasnt called into question [at least on the board] until he said that 'Niller had ugly tits.

Its hard to follow over there but it seems shortly after he made that comment was when he was "outted" as a bad boy.

Am I misreading the thread? Is there any truth to the rumor that its drove her to get a new boob job?

Spin? Counterspin?
There you go.

My point exactly. His mistake was after the events :)
Now Im confused....so the groping, man handling and isolant mouth wasnt a mistake?

Or it was ok until he made those comments? [/b][/quote]
They are both mistakes Gonzo, but one was more harmful to his bottom line than the other.

He groped. Now, lets say he apologizes to these girls and he never makes the comment. YOU would never know it happened :)

I can tell you, if he apologized to Vanilla, she would not have said a word. If he had not apologized, I still doubt she talks. He makes a nasty remark to her in a thread being used for her own promotion? Different story :)

Go back and read Raven's last post, she explained this pretty well.

I am not arguing over ethics right now, just over how he could have made his life better. Go back and read his post, he seemed to agree with me as well.

If you want to isolate what he did and discuss it, let me know. They just are not one in the same. That make better sense?

Nickatilynx

04-29-2005, 03:18 PM

KK,

:)

Peaches

04-29-2005, 03:23 PM

BTW, anyone who fondles me at shows will get $50 payouts from G3X (http://www.g3x.com) every weekend during the month of May.

(Cory, Gabe - shut up on everyone getting it - I need some lovin'!)

Brad Mitchell

04-29-2005, 03:24 PM

Originally posted by VooMan+Apr 29 2005, 09:39 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (VooMan @ Apr 29 2005, 09:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Brad Mitchell@Apr 28 2005, 07:50 PM

I have been known to drink at shows. I certainly hope I'm not perceived as one of the obnoxious ones; but, as others have pointed out, it's my company and it is my choice as to how people 'see' me.

You know Brad, you are well known as a rabblerowzing badass. You're always out of control at shows, and your crazy staff and their endless cigar smoking and coffee drinking are just as bad.

LOLOLOL

I always enjoy hanging around with you, Bill, Cory, etc... at shows. Some of the most professional guys around. :) [/b][/quote]
Yeah. We've got to do something about those damned cigars!

We've had some great times. LOL

Phoenix

04-29-2005, 03:26 PM

no one gets rid of a 200 a day whale

hell id love to meet a 20 a day whale these days..lol

gonzo

04-29-2005, 03:40 PM

Originally posted by Weg Cory+Apr 29 2005, 02:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Weg Cory @ Apr 29 2005, 02:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by gonzo@Apr 29 2005, 10:23 AM
Originally posted by Weg Cory@Apr 29 2005, 01:13 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-gonzo@Apr 29 2005, 09:34 AM
I went back over to the Zoo where all this was aired out orginally since both sides were brought to light.

In all fairness to Rinaldo.... looking at the chronology of things ... it seems that his behaviour wasnt called into question [at least on the board] until he said that 'Niller had ugly tits.

Its hard to follow over there but it seems shortly after he made that comment was when he was "outted" as a bad boy.

Am I misreading the thread? Is there any truth to the rumor that its drove her to get a new boob job?

Spin? Counterspin?
There you go.

My point exactly. His mistake was after the events :)
Now Im confused....so the groping, man handling and isolant mouth wasnt a mistake?

Or it was ok until he made those comments?
They are both mistakes Gonzo, but one was more harmful to his bottom line than the other.

He groped. Now, lets say he apologizes to these girls and he never makes the comment. YOU would never know it happened :)

I can tell you, if he apologized to Vanilla, she would not have said a word. If he had not apologized, I still doubt she talks. He makes a nasty remark to her in a thread being used for her own promotion? Different story :)

Go back and read Raven's last post, she explained this pretty well.

I am not arguing over ethics right now, just over how he could have made his life better. Go back and read his post, he seemed to agree with me as well.

If you want to isolate what he did and discuss it, let me know. They just are not one in the same. That make better sense? [/b][/quote]
At least he didnt claim to "black out" and hit the trifecta.

Sounds like serious errors in judgement all the way around.

Heres a rhetorical question since Florida is looming in the near future.
Knowing that this sometimes happens... why do you think that some sponsors throw these parties where the centerpiece is a photoshoot/sex show?

Hormones, $200 cameras and no aids tests are on the menu!

JoesHO

04-29-2005, 06:00 PM

What Lap are we on ?

Trev

04-29-2005, 06:01 PM

Originally posted by JoesHO1@Apr 29 2005, 11:01 PM
What Lap are we on ?
Gonzo's

:yowsa:

Steady

04-29-2005, 06:25 PM

On this subject...

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Next?

*KK*

04-29-2005, 07:12 PM

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Apr 29 2005, 11:19 AM
KK,

:)
Nick,

:biglaugh:

aeon

04-29-2005, 09:39 PM

Originally posted by Weg Cory@Apr 29 2005, 10:45 AM
But anyone who knows me knows full well I am highly tolerant. I may have a good time at shows, but I don't put myself first. Ask Aeon :)
How you kept your cool being the board face for AC is beyond me. You have any idea how much hatred would boil over when those rejection emails for the pettiest shit came rolling in? There were times I looked at the monitor and did nothing but utter the vilest obscenities known to man. How you took being the public brunt of that in stride really is impressive.

On a side note, remind me if I ever start a program, to sink into oblivion and hire you to front it. You've got the people skills thing down. Being polite to the old scammers on this board should be proof enough.

Anthony

04-29-2005, 10:07 PM

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Apr 29 2005, 10:52 AM
Ok...

So Wegcash will not take traffic from people who come accross on a board as dicks?
You should see the bastards we have in our program, Hell, the goddamn manager of it ain't too keen either. :)

Nickatilynx

04-29-2005, 10:24 PM

Originally posted by Anthony+Apr 29 2005, 06:08 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Anthony @ Apr 29 2005, 06:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@Apr 29 2005, 10:52 AM
Ok...

So Wegcash will not take traffic from people who come accross on a board as dicks?
You should see the bastards we have in our program, Hell, the goddamn manager of it ain't too keen either. :) [/b][/quote]
Us dicks stick together.

(Sounds a little gay actually...)

gonzo

04-30-2005, 12:08 AM

I figured a lot of you might like to see how this thread is summed up on another board ....

Matter of fact it sums up a lot of things Nick and I were discussing.

You decide who "sucks cock by choice"

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=461557

Weg Cory

04-30-2005, 12:27 AM

Originally posted by gonzo@Apr 29 2005, 08:09 PM
I figured a lot of you might like to see how this thread is summed up on another board ....

Matter of fact it sums up a lot of things Nick and I were discussing.

You decide who "sucks cock by choice"

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=461557
I would say if you read that thread in full, we are all on the same page.

This was a good thead you started.

Hell Puppy

04-30-2005, 12:48 AM

Originally posted by Weg Cory@Apr 29 2005, 11:58 AM

HP, we agree more than we disagree. Now, consider this, what if you hired me to promote your product. Would you want me to go to the show and be a fun. likeable guy? Or some stiff? With the former it may be irresponsible to assume that nothing gets done :)
Now that's an excellent question to add to the thread....

Short answer is I'd actually prefer a beautiful blonde with big tits and an ass that tastes like French vanilla ice cream to promote my stuff. Trick is, I'd like her to have a brain in her head whether she lets anyone know it or not. Anyone knows one, I might be hiring....seriously.

But in reality, I'd take anyone who can do the job and deliver results. And I dont care what their sales and marketing technique at shows is so long as their actions dont expose the company to undo risk or negatively impact the image.

If their deal is they like to load everyone up, buy drinks and get a bit tanked, I dont care as long as they deliver the results and can handle their liquor. I'm ok with that.

It goes back to what I said earlier, as long as they dont put themselves or anyone else in harm's way, I'll only look at the results.

However, toss a chair, rape someone, snort coke in the middle of a casino in front of a couple of hundred people, etc, and you're a fired ass.

Would losing 200 sales a day make me change my mind? No, I dont even hesitate, take your 200 sales a day and step. My principles aren't for sale.

I guess me and GonZo were raised on the back of the same horse. Just because I'm willing to peddle porn, doesn't mean I have zero morals or respect for laws and common decency toward my fellow human beings.