The difference between 98 and now..

[Nickatilynx]

I think the fundamental difference is this...

In 98 there was really only really 20 places to send traffic to.
In 98 there was probably 200 people able to sustain 100 sales a day.

Today there is probably at least 500 places to send traffic to.
Today there is probably only 100 people able to sustain 100 sales a day

[TheEnforcer]

Very good assesment. One thing I wonder though is if the 100 sales a day number for people isn't a bit high.

[Nickatilynx]

I know a few mailers that can do those numbers.

However none of them , to my knowledge are hitting adult.


But even TE if you are right the theory is strengthened.

Serge told me years ago...

"You can send traffic , do not waste your time with paysites , send traffic , sleep good , let someone else have the headaches."

Still sound advise.

Whilst everyone else is worrying about designing nice paysites , processing , and shooting content , I think I'll continue to concentrate on the single most valuable commodity in the business.

Traffic :)

[Trev]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Apr 21 2005, 04:38 PM
I know a few mailers that can do those numbers.

However none of them , to my knowledge are hitting adult.


But even TE if you are right the theory is strengthened.

Serge told me years ago...

"You can send traffic , do not waste your time with paysites , send traffic , sleep good , let someone else have the headaches."

Still sound advise.

Whilst everyone else is worrying about designing nice paysites , processing , and shooting content , I think I'll continue to concentrate on the single most valuable commodity in the business.

Traffic :)
:wnw:


Amen to that :okthumb:

[TheEnforcer]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Apr 21 2005, 10:38 AM
I know a few mailers that can do those numbers.

However none of them , to my knowledge are hitting adult.


But even TE if you are right the theory is strengthened.

Serge told me years ago...

"You can send traffic , do not waste your time with paysites , send traffic , sleep good , let someone else have the headaches."

Still sound advise.

Whilst everyone else is worrying about designing nice paysites , processing , and shooting content , I think I'll continue to concentrate on the single most valuable commodity in the business.

Traffic :)
Yup. More good info. :>))

[RyanLanane]

Originally posted by TheEnforcer@Apr 21 2005, 07:35 AM
Very good assesment. One thing I wonder though is if the 100 sales a day number for people isn't a bit high.

I would say maybe a tad low for 98 - That's when people with real money started stepping into the business (end of the year)... I would guess probably about dead on right now. BUT :


Number of companies who tell you they can afford 100 signups per day = 10,000 :)

[The Other Steve]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Apr 21 2005, 07:32 AM


Today there is probably at least 500 places to send traffic to.
Today there is probably only 100 people able to sustain 100 sales a day
I'm currently working through a list of over 4 thousand paysites for one client who does have traffic.

[DrGuile]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Apr 21 2005, 10:32 AM
I think the fundamental difference is this...

In 98 there was really only really 20 places to send traffic to.
In 98 there was probably 200 people able to sustain 100 sales a day.

Today there is probably at least 500 places to send traffic to.
Today there is probably only 100 people able to sustain 100 sales a day


difference between 98 and now for you is 30 pounds, hair, and the ability to do it twice.



:biglaugh:

[Peaches]

And every house already has a computer now. Back in the late 90's was when the prices frist started being low enough where even the trailer park residents were getting their first computer, loading up the free AOL disk and typing in "porn" for their very first search.

These days computer sales are replacements. They've already filled up several gigs with porn. :(

[Anthony]

Originally posted by Peaches@Apr 21 2005, 11:11 AM
And every house already has a computer now. Back in the late 90's was when the prices frist started being low enough where even the trailer park residents were getting their first computer, loading up the free AOL disk and typing in "porn" for their very first search.

These days computer sales are replacements. They've already filled up several gigs with porn. :(
Fuck that, I bought a 250GB Maxtor so I can watch my porn from laptop to desktop. :):):)

[Forest]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Apr 21 2005, 10:38 AM
I know a few mailers that can do those numbers.

However none of them , to my knowledge are hitting adult.


But even TE if you are right the theory is strengthened.

Serge told me years ago...

"You can send traffic , do not waste your time with paysites , send traffic , sleep good , let someone else have the headaches."

Still sound advise.

Whilst everyone else is worrying about designing nice paysites , processing , and shooting content , I think I'll continue to concentrate on the single most valuable commodity in the business.

Traffic :)
great advice from 2 wise men

:wnw:

[grimm]

Originally posted by Peaches@Apr 21 2005, 11:11 AM
And every house already has a computer now. Back in the late 90's was when the prices frist started being low enough where even the trailer park residents were getting their first computer, loading up the free AOL disk and typing in "porn" for their very first search.

These days computer sales are replacements. They've already filled up several gigs with porn. :(
i read recently that the number of american households with computers is still around 28%.

[Peaches]

Originally posted by grimm+Apr 21 2005, 04:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (grimm @ Apr 21 2005, 04:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Peaches@Apr 21 2005, 11:11 AM
And every house already has a computer now. Back in the late 90's was when the prices frist started being low enough where even the trailer park residents were getting their first computer, loading up the free AOL disk and typing in "porn" for their very first search.

These days computer sales are replacements. They've already filled up several gigs with porn. :(
i read recently that the number of american households with computers is still around 28%. [/b][/quote]
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004941.html

Says 56.5% in 2001. I can't imagine it's gone DOWN in 4 years?

[grimm]

i dont know, i read it somewhere recently, i thought it was surprisingly low.

[pushpills]

there's still alot of poor folk starting to get computers. you can get an emachines with a monitor for like 300 bucks. alot more black surfers around now too, i've been pushing ebony sites/interracial sites alot harder.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by pushpills@Apr 21 2005, 01:46 PM
there's still alot of poor folk starting to get computers. you can get an emachines with a monitor for like 300 bucks. alot more black surfers around now too, i've been pushing ebony sites/interracial sites alot harder.
I thought the main buyers of interracial sites were white mails.

[Trev]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Apr 21 2005, 11:02 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Apr 21 2005, 11:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-pushpills@Apr 21 2005, 01:46 PM
there's still alot of poor folk starting to get computers. you can get an emachines with a monitor for like 300 bucks. alot more black surfers around now too, i've been pushing ebony sites/interracial sites alot harder.
I thought the main buyers of interracial sites were white mails. [/b][/quote]
White mail is that the good type of black mail....

[pushpills]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Apr 21 2005, 04:02 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Apr 21 2005, 04:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-pushpills@Apr 21 2005, 01:46 PM
there's still alot of poor folk starting to get computers. you can get an emachines with a monitor for like 300 bucks. alot more black surfers around now too, i've been pushing ebony sites/interracial sites alot harder.
I thought the main buyers of interracial sites were white mails. [/b][/quote]
I'm sure they are, but i've been pushing them along with other ebony options alot harder lately as it's my belief that alot of my "general" surfers are indeed black and while they searched for "xxx fuck bitch" if I show em a thumbnail of some interacial or black porn they'll be interested. with the risk of sounding racist, low income black people are probably some of the most willing to whip out their debit card to prove their age for a free trial, or not read terms, etc.

[Sabby]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Apr 21 2005, 10:38 AM
I know a few mailers that can do those numbers.

However none of them , to my knowledge are hitting adult.


But even TE if you are right the theory is strengthened.

Serge told me years ago...

"You can send traffic , do not waste your time with paysites , send traffic , sleep good , let someone else have the headaches."

Still sound advise.

Whilst everyone else is worrying about designing nice paysites , processing , and shooting content , I think I'll continue to concentrate on the single most valuable commodity in the business.

Traffic :)
I think men who have alot of traffic are extremely sexy!!!

:inlove:



Sabby:)

[Vick]

I thought the biggest difference is
I could relate to the Ramones singing "It's the end of the Century"

Well that and I was 7 years younger, fuck I wasn't in my 40's

Not sure if there are actually 100 companies/people who now can push 100 sales to porn on a daily basis

Other places are more profitable



Edited to add- other differences include -information flowed much more freely on boards (Oprano is a huge exception), a successful piss could launch a million dollar business, billing models were a little different and more lenient (which may effect why there are so few 100 join a day whales now), the internet was still considered novel by many, the average surfer hadn't been educated or spoiled by free (which may also effect why there are so few 100 join a day whales now), mainstream was behind adult in terms of traffic, money and tech and TGP really didn't exist

Actually I could go on for a while but you get the picture

[Nickatilynx]

...... a large proportion of the big traffic senders DO NOT send to porn.

For example , a friend of mine who is a major mailer hit me up yesterday and said.

""Hey mate!!!
How's Oprano doing. Popped it it seemed busy. Everyone still scrabbling over the bones over the adult internet business and hoping the money will come back?""

[Rolo]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Apr 22 2005, 07:21 AM
""Hey mate!!!
How's Oprano doing. Popped it it seemed busy. Everyone still scrabbling over the bones over the adult internet business and hoping the money will come back?""
Hehehehe...

[Biggy]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Apr 21 2005, 07:32 AM
I think the fundamental difference is this...

In 98 there was really only really 20 places to send traffic to.
In 98 there was probably 200 people able to sustain 100 sales a day.

Today there is probably at least 500 places to send traffic to.
Today there is probably only 100 people able to sustain 100 sales a day
I disagree.

I can't talk for 98, but today I'd say theres more than 100 people who can sustain more than 100 sales a day.

[Nickatilynx]

From there own traffic?

[Biggy]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Apr 22 2005, 08:24 AM
From there own traffic?
Sure.

The internet is so vast and large, you could never know how many people are out there. In the TGP realm, there are guys with millions of hits under their belts, who only use FHGs. I know there sites, but I have never even talked to them, don't even know how I'd get in touch thats how low key they are. Also, these guys aren't on the boards, they're busy working hard, 12-13 hours a day, and if they are, they usually don't let people know what sites they run, as it breeds a lot of messages, emails, etc.

Have you ever heard of this site: 89.com - just one example. Go check their Alexa rating.

Add in guys who still mail, SE guys, the TGP guys, warez guys, and who knows whatever else people are doing for traffic.

One thing about 98 and now, there were less people in adult, but today there are more buyers of porn on the net and more users, and the growth will continue. The pie is getting cut into smaller pieces, but the size of the pie overall is growing (I have absolutely no valid statistical data to prove this, just my opinion).

[Nickatilynx]

I agree.

But my point was...smaller slices.

[Vick]

Originally posted by Biggy@Apr 22 2005, 11:19 AM
I can't talk for 98, but today I'd say theres more than 100 people who can sustain more than 100 sales a day.
Biggy - this is one of the few times I will respectfully disagree with you

I still don't think there are 100 companies/persons that send 100 joins per day on a regular basis

Being a program owner and having clandestinely worked with a fairly large program I've seen the inside numbers

Right now as a program owner you're sucking anyone's dick who can send 100 Solid joins per day on a regular basis. Fuck, you're sending them whatever they want (within reason)

Not sure that many TGP guys can do it.
If they could why would they sell gallery listings when sending 100 joins per day grosses almost 1.3M per year with less work?

Is it more profitable selling gallery spots? Got to think TGP owners are making more money selling listings than memberships, that's why the prevalent business model is selling the listings as opposed to listing sponsor galleries, free hosted or not

When someone makes 1.3M per year they tend to become visible

I've been wrong before and will be again but that's my take on it

Plus if you can move that kind of converting traffic there are bigger, more profitable, less risky pastures

[Nickatilynx]

""""Right now as a program owner you're sucking anyone's dick who can send 100 Solid joins per day on a regular basis. Fuck you're sending them whatever they want (within reason)"""

Ok...no one told me that besides being well paid , I'd get some head too.

I'm fucking missing out here.

[Vick]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Apr 22 2005, 12:50 PM
""""Right now as a program owner you're sucking anyone's dick who can send 100 Solid joins per day on a regular basis. Fuck you're sending them whatever they want (within reason)"""

Ok...no one told me that besides being well paid , I'd get some head too.

I'm fucking missing out here.
Ok I'm exaggerating a little to make a point ......

.... or not

I've heard some um .... interesting stories


"Do nuns have wings?"
"No"
"Dopey fucked a penguin, Dopey fucked a penguin"


Was going to tell this story yesterday but didn't. It's true, I heard it with my own ears and saw the set up and the models.
At a convention years back a somewhat well known person (in the adult internet industry) was pimping out models. You could fuck one of them for .....

.... 20,000 hits

I did the quick math and if it wasn't Chinese hitbot traffic at the time clicks were worth about .05 so in actuality to fuck one of these models wasn't any kind of deal

and the pimp is still in the business as far as I know and it wasn't KB

[Elli]

In 1998 I got a hell of a lot more money for my American dollar, I can tell you that much. I just love that I lost about 20% of my income solely due to the changing exchange rate.

But at least I'm not bitter. :)

[Nickatilynx]

Vick ,

This is oprano name him!!!!!




Fuck what would he hook you up with for 20 -100 million hits?!?!


I sooooooooooo missed out...
this all I got....

Serge gave me a brooming and $2-3 million
High Society ONLY gave me$7,000,000.00 , never even got the brooming , but I did broom them a little :)

:(



;-)))

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Elli@Apr 22 2005, 10:10 AM
In 1998 I got a hell of a lot more money for my American dollar, I can tell you that much. I just love that I lost about 20% of my income solely due to the changing exchange rate.

But at least I'm not bitter. :)
yup :(

[Vick]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Apr 22 2005, 01:17 PM
Vick ,

This is oprano name him!!!!!


I knew you were going to say that
he he

Check your ICQ :)

The hits were to be to the girls sites and it got even funnier
You could give any of them a facial (except one) and take pics as part of the deal


and I'd rather have the $ than the girls anyday

and would have rather been in business with Serge and or High Society than this person

[Biggy]

Originally posted by Vick+Apr 22 2005, 09:47 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Vick @ Apr 22 2005, 09:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Biggy@Apr 22 2005, 11:19 AM
I can't talk for 98, but today I'd say theres more than 100 people who can sustain more than 100 sales a day.


I still don't think there are 100 companies/persons that send 100 joins per day on a regular basis

Right now as a program owner you're sucking anyone's dick who can send 100 Solid joins per day on a regular basis. Fuck, you're sending them whatever they want (within reason)

Not sure that many TGP guys can do it.
If they could why would they sell gallery listings when sending 100 joins per day grosses almost 1.3M per year with less work?

Is it more profitable selling gallery spots? Got to think TGP owners are making more money selling listings than memberships, that's why the prevalent business model is selling the listings as opposed to listing sponsor galleries, free hosted or not

When someone makes 1.3M per year they tend to become visible

I've been wrong before and will be again but that's my take on it

Plus if you can move that kind of converting traffic there are bigger, more profitable, less risky pastures [/b][/quote]
Vick,

I love it when you disagree, it makes for good conversations down the road :)

I never interpreted as 100 sales a day, to a given program. There are over 100 affiliates who push over 100 sales a day combined to multiple programs (IMO). One affiliate, sending 100 sales a day consistently, to the same program, you are right - probably less than 100, since you all that traffic would be so contrained to one program.

[Vick]

Biggy I still don't know

If you have someone in your program sending let's say 30-50 joins a day you're going to try to get more of their traffic without offending them

When you have those traffic whales you know who they are and where it's coming from

[Trev]

Originally posted by Vick@Apr 22 2005, 08:27 PM
Biggy I still don't know

If you have someone in your program sending let's say 30-50 joins a day you're going to try to get more of their traffic without offending them

When you have those traffic whales you know who they are and where it's coming from
There are so many programs now that someone doing 100 joins a day could be only sent 5 -10 joins per program a day, thus remaining under the radar a little better...

[Vick]

Originally posted by Trev+Apr 22 2005, 02:29 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Trev @ Apr 22 2005, 02:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Vick@Apr 22 2005, 08:27 PM
Biggy I still don't know

If you have someone in your program sending let's say 30-50 joins a day you're going to try to get more of their traffic without offending them

When you have those traffic whales you know who they are and where it's coming from
There are so many programs now that someone doing 100 joins a day could be only sent 5 -10 joins per program a day, thus remaining under the radar a little better... [/b][/quote]
The other thing being you know all your affiliates that are sending you more than 15 sales a day on a regular basis

You go look at their sites and see what their doing, who else they're working with, how they're doing it

See where that is leading? B)

[Trev]

Originally posted by Vick+Apr 22 2005, 08:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Vick @ Apr 22 2005, 08:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Trev@Apr 22 2005, 02:29 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Vick@Apr 22 2005, 08:27 PM
Biggy I still don't know

If you have someone in your program sending let's say 30-50 joins a day you're going to try to get more of their traffic without offending them

When you have those traffic whales you know who they are and where it's coming from
There are so many programs now that someone doing 100 joins a day could be only sent 5 -10 joins per program a day, thus remaining under the radar a little better...
The other thing being you know all your affiliates that are sending you more than 15 sales a day on a regular basis

You go look at their sites and see what their doing, who else they're working with, how they're doing it

See where that is leading? B) [/b][/quote]
There's ways around all of that, but I'm sure you already know this :)