MasterCard International bans Extreme Content [Archive]

SykkBoy

04-11-2005, 01:55 PM

Originally posted by creams@Apr 11 2005, 12:51 PM
Alot of people are very touchy about this type of content not being processed anymore -- I think a few of you are hiding some kinks!

:lol:
it's no secret that I made my early money from beasty and so did a lot of "upstanding" members of this industry....hell, almost every linklist used to list beasty back in the day...the ONLY reason most stopped listing it was because other sponsors were getting pissy about having their links on the same page...I stopped because there was no processing and also because I came the decision I wouldn't pormote anything I wouldn't be willing to defend in a court of law in front of my children and family if I I so had to...

The problem comes with labelling content "extreme" where does that boundary extend to?

Almighty Colin

04-11-2005, 02:04 PM

Originally posted by Rolo@Apr 11 2005, 09:20 AM
In 4 weeks from now MasterCard International will not allow sites that sell:

Extreme Sexual Violence
Rape
Bestiality
Snuff
Scat

I wonder if VISA International will follow...
Blah. I disagree with most of you. These are draconian measures.

Ban people shitting on each other? Why?
Girls sucking off donkeys? Pretty entertaining. I'd pay to see that.
Sex and violence? Two of my favorite things. Now I can't combine them?!

Almighty Colin

04-11-2005, 02:05 PM

Originally posted by SykkBoy@Apr 11 2005, 12:48 PM
old ladies
Well .. ;-)

Nickatilynx

04-11-2005, 02:07 PM

Originally posted by Almighty Colin+Apr 11 2005, 10:05 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Almighty Colin @ Apr 11 2005, 10:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Rolo@Apr 11 2005, 09:20 AM
In 4 weeks from now MasterCard International will not allow sites that sell:

Extreme Sexual Violence
Rape
Bestiality
Snuff
Scat

I wonder if VISA International will follow...
Blah. I disagree with most of you. These are draconian measures.

Ban people shitting on each other? Why?
Girls sucking off donkeys? Pretty entertaining. I'd pay to see that.
Sex and violence? Two of my favorite things. Now I can't combine them?! [/b][/quote]
I tend to agree with Colin. LOL

The only thing I'll newver touch is KP.

But even then , is 16 yr old girls KP?

Almighty Colin

04-11-2005, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Apr 11 2005, 01:08 PM
But even then , is 16 yr old girls KP?
Depends on how big her tits are.

SykkBoy

04-11-2005, 02:22 PM

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Apr 11 2005, 01:08 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Apr 11 2005, 01:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Almighty Colin@Apr 11 2005, 10:05 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Rolo@Apr 11 2005, 09:20 AM
In 4 weeks from now MasterCard International will not allow sites that sell:

Extreme Sexual Violence
Rape
Bestiality
Snuff
Scat

I wonder if VISA International will follow...
Blah. I disagree with most of you. These are draconian measures.

Ban people shitting on each other? Why?
Girls sucking off donkeys? Pretty entertaining. I'd pay to see that.
Sex and violence? Two of my favorite things. Now I can't combine them?!
I tend to agree with Colin. LOL

The only thing I'll newver touch is KP.

But even then , is 16 yr old girls KP? [/b][/quote]
you know if the age of consent for adult material were changed to 16 tomorrow, everyone and their brother would be tripping all over themselves to buy up sweet16yearoldpussy.com type domains, rushing out the "she just turned 16 yesterday" banners and scoping the highschools for fresh model meat...

SykkBoy

04-11-2005, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by Almighty Colin+Apr 11 2005, 01:06 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Almighty Colin @ Apr 11 2005, 01:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-SykkBoy@Apr 11 2005, 12:48 PM
old ladies
Well .. ;-) [/b][/quote]
that would be one way to get my pictures off the net ;-)

PornoDoggy

04-11-2005, 02:34 PM

In further developments, Mastercard has announced the formation of a committee to identify the content they will define as extreme.

Among those nominating individuals to serve on the committee are Tom Delay, Bill Frist, Orin Hatch, Phyllis Schafley ...

Pro_Zac

04-11-2005, 02:34 PM

I see nothing wrong with the content!

It's not my jazz but everyone has their thing and if they'll pay for it even better.

The only things I'm not with is KP and Snuff, everything else is fair game.

runner

04-11-2005, 03:06 PM

It dont hurt nun -- Unless your the one the horse is fuckin :blink:

Steady

04-11-2005, 03:23 PM

Originally posted by runner@Apr 11 2005, 11:07 AM
It dont hurt nun -- Unless your the one the horse is fuckin :blink:
Bingo!

As long as you're not on the receiving end!

Grump

04-12-2005, 07:28 AM

The right wing in this country will be very happy to hear Rikk's comment: "This type of crud needs to be censored it's just plain wrong! ". Using this logic they will be able to argue to outlaw all porn.

People... are you really that unaware that the arguments you put out here against extreme content are the same ones used to try and close us all down? By people who think, just like many here, that their values and moral should outweigh those of others.

The extreme content is legal in many countries and why are your moral values superior to anyone else's?

This thread would give Jerry Falwell a stiffy.

Rikk

04-12-2005, 09:29 AM

Originally posted by Grump@Apr 12 2005, 03:29 AM
The right wing in this country will be very happy to hear Rikk's comment: "This type of crud needs to be censored it's just plain wrong! ". Using this logic they will be able to argue to outlaw all porn.

People... are you really that unaware that the arguments you put out here against extreme content are the same ones used to try and close us all down? By people who think, just like many here, that their values and moral should outweigh those of others.

The extreme content is legal in many countries and why are your moral values superior to anyone else's?

This thread would give Jerry Falwell a stiffy.
I stand by my opinion that its discusting!

:angry:

slavdogg

04-12-2005, 09:38 AM

Can i buy Bestiality and Scat videos in Amsterdam with my MasterCard ?

Grump

04-12-2005, 09:55 AM

Rikk, "disgusting" sure... thats not a problem. "Should be censored" is another thing entirely.

Rikk

04-12-2005, 11:26 AM

Originally posted by Grump@Apr 12 2005, 05:56 AM
Rikk, "disgusting" sure... thats not a problem. "Should be censored" is another thing entirely.
Censored isn't the word I should have used. Even though this kind of thing is legal in some countries doesnt mean that its right, or does it :o :blink:

SykkBoy

04-12-2005, 11:33 AM

Originally posted by Rikk+Apr 12 2005, 10:27 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Rikk @ Apr 12 2005, 10:27 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Grump@Apr 12 2005, 05:56 AM
Rikk, "disgusting" sure... thats not a problem. "Should be censored" is another thing entirely.
Censored isn't the word I should have used. Even though this kind of thing is legal in some countries doesnt mean that its right, or does it :o :blink: [/b][/quote]
my grandmother used to have the same argument over any depictions of people in swimsuits.....luckily she was the industry's moral barometer

SykkBoy

04-12-2005, 11:37 AM

Originally posted by Paul Markham@Apr 11 2005, 11:37 AM
Bloody good job.

Sorry Raven but I'm not here for the politics I'm here to make money. As a guy who can shoot erotic stuff without abusing a woman or portraying women as toilets or objects to be used I would like them to ban even more.

It will not cost us 1 surfer, but clear out a lot of guys who can't tell porn from the arses.
ah, here we go again
Paul, you really have no grounds for a moral complex...
your "my porn is holier than your porn" shit won't fly here, mate, this isn't GFY...

maybe after they've cleaned up the extreme people, theyc an focus on you...there are a lot of people who take issue with what you do...take 18 and 19 year old girls in Eastern Europe and exploit their need for money and lack of a job situation. face it, we're in an exploitative business...there are some right wingers who feel what YOU do is the same as treating a woman as an object and as a toilet...perhaps they are right too?

Just because you use better lighting, it doesn't make you a better pornographer...

Rikk

04-12-2005, 11:38 AM

Originally posted by SykkBoy+Apr 12 2005, 07:34 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SykkBoy @ Apr 12 2005, 07:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Rikk@Apr 12 2005, 10:27 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Grump@Apr 12 2005, 05:56 AM
Rikk, "disgusting" sure... thats not a problem. "Should be censored" is another thing entirely.
Censored isn't the word I should have used. Even though this kind of thing is legal in some countries doesnt mean that its right, or does it :o :blink:
my grandmother used to have the same argument over any depictions of people in swimsuits.....luckily she was the industry's moral barometer [/b][/quote]
Did your gradma ever see your avatar :blink:

SykkBoy

04-12-2005, 11:39 AM

Originally posted by Rikk+Apr 12 2005, 10:39 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Rikk @ Apr 12 2005, 10:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by SykkBoy@Apr 12 2005, 07:34 AM
Originally posted by Rikk@Apr 12 2005, 10:27 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Grump@Apr 12 2005, 05:56 AM
Rikk, "disgusting" sure... thats not a problem. "Should be censored" is another thing entirely.
Censored isn't the word I should have used. Even though this kind of thing is legal in some countries doesnt mean that its right, or does it :o :blink:
my grandmother used to have the same argument over any depictions of people in swimsuits.....luckily she was the industry's moral barometer
Did your gradma ever see your avatar :blink: [/b][/quote]
who do you think first introdsuced me to the movie it was from? ;-)

Becki

04-12-2005, 12:05 PM

Originally posted by SykkBoy+Apr 12 2005, 07:40 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SykkBoy @ Apr 12 2005, 07:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Rikk@Apr 12 2005, 10:39 AM
Originally posted by SykkBoy@Apr 12 2005, 07:34 AM
Originally posted by Rikk@Apr 12 2005, 10:27 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Grump@Apr 12 2005, 05:56 AM
Rikk, "disgusting" sure... thats not a problem. "Should be censored" is another thing entirely.
Censored isn't the word I should have used. Even though this kind of thing is legal in some countries doesnt mean that its right, or does it :o :blink:
my grandmother used to have the same argument over any depictions of people in swimsuits.....luckily she was the industry's moral barometer
Did your gradma ever see your avatar :blink:
who do you think first introdsuced me to the movie it was from? ;-) [/b][/quote]
Your Gran sounds like a real mean momma :yowsa:

:agrin:

gonzo

04-12-2005, 12:38 PM

Originally posted by SykkBoy@Apr 12 2005, 10:38 AM
Just because you use better lighting, it doesn't make you a better pornographer...
:pearl:

Nickatilynx

04-12-2005, 12:51 PM

Originally posted by SykkBoy+Apr 12 2005, 07:38 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SykkBoy @ Apr 12 2005, 07:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Paul Markham@Apr 11 2005, 11:37 AM
Bloody good job.

Sorry Raven but I'm not here for the politics I'm here to make money. As a guy who can shoot erotic stuff without abusing a woman or portraying women as toilets or objects to be used I would like them to ban even more.

It will not cost us 1 surfer, but clear out a lot of guys who can't tell porn from the arses.
ah, here we go again
Paul, you really have no grounds for a moral complex...
your "my porn is holier than your porn" shit won't fly here, mate, this isn't GFY...

maybe after they've cleaned up the extreme people, theyc an focus on you...there are a lot of people who take issue with what you do...take 18 and 19 year old girls in Eastern Europe and exploit their need for money and lack of a job situation. face it, we're in an exploitative business...there are some right wingers who feel what YOU do is the same as treating a woman as an object and as a toilet...perhaps they are right too?

Just because you use better lighting, it doesn't make you a better pornographer... [/b][/quote]
Good post Sykk.

Paul Markham you really are a sanctimonious fuck.

Almighty Colin

04-12-2005, 02:04 PM

Originally posted by SykkBoy+Apr 11 2005, 01:24 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SykkBoy @ Apr 11 2005, 01:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Almighty Colin@Apr 11 2005, 01:06 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-SykkBoy@Apr 11 2005, 12:48 PM
old ladies
Well .. ;-)
that would be one way to get my pictures off the net ;-) [/b][/quote]
And your mom!

Grump

04-12-2005, 02:09 PM

Originally posted by Rikk+Apr 12 2005, 11:27 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Rikk @ Apr 12 2005, 11:27 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Grump@Apr 12 2005, 05:56 AM
Rikk, "disgusting" sure... thats not a problem. "Should be censored" is another thing entirely.
Censored isn't the word I should have used. Even though this kind of thing is legal in some countries doesnt mean that its right, or does it :o :blink:[/b][/quote]
I think that we should each make our own decision about what we view or find erotic and not try to influence others' rights to do the same. Censorship does just that, it removes the individual's rights and places them with someone else. That, is wrong.

Almighty Colin

04-12-2005, 02:09 PM

Originally posted by SykkBoy@Apr 12 2005, 10:38 AM
Just because you use better lighting, it doesn't make you a better pornographer...
How about some role-playing talk?

Pornography is in the eye of the beholder

Almighty Colin

04-12-2005, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by Grump+Apr 12 2005, 01:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Grump @ Apr 12 2005, 01:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Rikk@Apr 12 2005, 11:27 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Grump@Apr 12 2005, 05:56 AM
Rikk, "disgusting" sure... thats not a problem. "Should be censored" is another thing entirely.
Censored isn't the word I should have used. Even though this kind of thing is legal in some countries doesnt mean that its right, or does it :o :blink:
I think that we should each make our own decision about what we view or find erotic and not try to influence others' rights to do the same. Censorship does just that, it removes the individual's rights and places them with someone else. That, is wrong. [/b][/quote]
Fuck erotic. Sheep fucking isn't erotic but I do find it interesting to watch. I mean, come on, how can you NOT be interested in seeing a guy fuck a sheep? The first thing I heard about the web was "Have you heard about the world wide web? You can see a girl sucking a donkey's dick on there".

I'll bring the sheep. Paul, bring the lights. Sykkboy, bring your cock!

Almighty Colin

04-12-2005, 02:15 PM

Originally posted by Becki@Apr 11 2005, 10:01 AM
I think it's a disgrace that anything like that had processing at all! <_<
Have you EVER seen a bestiality pic or movie?

Becki

04-12-2005, 02:39 PM

Originally posted by Almighty Colin+Apr 12 2005, 10:16 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Almighty Colin @ Apr 12 2005, 10:16 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Becki@Apr 11 2005, 10:01 AM
I think it's a disgrace that anything like that had processing at all! <_<
Have you EVER seen a bestiality pic or movie? [/b][/quote]
I have, I saw animal farm when I was younger and it didn't flick any switches for me!

rendh

04-12-2005, 02:45 PM

Originally posted by Almighty Colin+Apr 12 2005, 10:16 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Almighty Colin @ Apr 12 2005, 10:16 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Becki@Apr 11 2005, 10:01 AM
I think it's a disgrace that anything like that had processing at all! <_<
Have you EVER seen a bestiality pic or movie? [/b][/quote]
What does it matter if she has or has not?

I know that a guy shoving a pigs cock up his ass is something that I don't want to see even without seeing it!

Nickatilynx

04-12-2005, 02:46 PM

Originally posted by rendh+Apr 12 2005, 10:46 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (rendh @ Apr 12 2005, 10:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Almighty Colin@Apr 12 2005, 10:16 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Becki@Apr 11 2005, 10:01 AM
I think it's a disgrace that anything like that had processing at all! <_<
Have you EVER seen a bestiality pic or movie?
What does it matter if she has or has not?

I know that a guy shoving a pigs cock up his ass is something that I don't want to see even without seeing it! [/b][/quote]
Awwww go on with ya !!!

rendh

04-12-2005, 02:50 PM

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Apr 12 2005, 10:47 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Apr 12 2005, 10:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by rendh@Apr 12 2005, 10:46 AM
Originally posted by Almighty Colin@Apr 12 2005, 10:16 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Becki@Apr 11 2005, 10:01 AM
I think it's a disgrace that anything like that had processing at all! <_<
Have you EVER seen a bestiality pic or movie?
What does it matter if she has or has not?

I know that a guy shoving a pigs cock up his ass is something that I don't want to see even without seeing it!
Awwww go on with ya !!! [/b][/quote]
Sheep are a different thing all together :lol:

*KK*

04-12-2005, 03:00 PM

I read thru part of the thread, but thought I'd go ahead and chime in without finishing it.

Several Euro aggregators and processors lost the ability to process MC a week to ten days ago already, about the same time as the IBill announcement that they were having "difficulties" processing Mastercard and were declining all new sales and holding rebills.

Not really bagging on IBill per se, but any time a processor announces that they are declining new trans, that means that they can't batch them since they don't have a light at the end of the tunnel for them, imo.

Almighty Colin

04-12-2005, 03:02 PM

Originally posted by Becki+Apr 12 2005, 01:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Becki @ Apr 12 2005, 01:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Almighty Colin@Apr 12 2005, 10:16 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Becki@Apr 11 2005, 10:01 AM
I think it's a disgrace that anything like that had processing at all! <_<
Have you EVER seen a bestiality pic or movie?
I have, I saw animal farm when I was younger and it didn't flick any switches for me! [/b][/quote]
But you watched it nonetheless.

P.S. There is bestiality in George Orwell's Animal Farm???

The Other Steve

04-12-2005, 03:17 PM

While we are all joining the hullabaloo about how terrible some of these things are just remember that 20 years ago some of the niches that no one blinks an eye at these days were considered to be so grossly obscene that no decent person would ever even think about promoting it.

In the real world there is already a huge amount of interest in some of the way out niches that have been mentioned here. We may not like it personally but more and more people are finding some of those things to be more and more acceptable and they want to see it and they want to experience it.

There is already a huge underground culture in some of those areas involving normal every day people and eventually they will become acceptable.

Or course, there are a very few things like KP that normal society will never find acceptable.

sarettah

04-12-2005, 03:29 PM

Prosecutor: So, did you or did you not have pornography on display ?

Defendant: Well, yes I did, but mine is the good type of pornography, not the bad type.

:yowsa:

Doesn't matter what the niche is, those that hate the industry see everyone involved in it in the same light.

sarettah

04-12-2005, 03:31 PM

Originally posted by The Other Steve@Apr 12 2005, 02:18 PM
Or course, there are a very few things like KP that normal society will never find acceptable.
there are sections of society that see nothing wrong with that.

And the folks who want to take down the industry see absolutely no distinction between the "good guys" and the "bad guys".

Nickatilynx

04-12-2005, 03:35 PM

Originally posted by sarettah@Apr 12 2005, 11:30 AM
Prosecutor: So, did you or did you not have pornography on display ?

Defendant: Well, yes I did, but mine is the good type of pornography, not the bad type.

:yowsa:

Doesn't matter what the niche is, those that hate the industry see everyone involved in it in the same light.
Just a little bit above drug dealers.

though even that is arguable.

If Markham was a drug dealer he'd be like

"I only sell to Middle schoolers and above!! No primary school kids.Well unless they have big tits"

currently his slogan should be.....

"We light the cunt really well"

LOL

SykkBoy

04-12-2005, 03:59 PM

Originally posted by Almighty Colin@Apr 12 2005, 01:14 PM

I'll bring the sheep. Paul, bring the lights. Sykkboy, bring your cock!
but but but, I don't have the experience....I've never even been to New Zealand...

Rolo

04-12-2005, 04:04 PM

Sure it sucks when companies, banks etc. start playing the moral police, but I understand why they want to distance themself from the content in question - they got a brand to protect and having sites like "ExtremeRapeOfDeadDonkeysCoveredInShit.com" (think I got all of the forbidden content covered in that site ;-) showing the MC logo could lead to image problems...

YES, you can probably buy everything in the physical world with your MC (guns, drugs, prostitutes, 3rd world countries), but the internet is a different place, where search engines trawl for information and make the connections visible... not good if you are trying sell your product on "good old banking values"...

Is "normal" porn next? Well - who knows other than the guys at MC... US judge dismissal of the Paycom suit saying that "it was not prevented from using other forms of payment" could be a sign of the things to come (pure speculation).

But as always - spread your eggs (no, not legs ;-))

Becki

04-12-2005, 05:20 PM

Originally posted by Almighty Colin+Apr 12 2005, 11:03 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Almighty Colin @ Apr 12 2005, 11:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Becki@Apr 12 2005, 01:40 PM
Originally posted by Almighty Colin@Apr 12 2005, 10:16 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Becki@Apr 11 2005, 10:01 AM
I think it's a disgrace that anything like that had processing at all! <_<
Have you EVER seen a bestiality pic or movie?
I have, I saw animal farm when I was younger and it didn't flick any switches for me!
But you watched it nonetheless.

P.S. There is bestiality in George Orwell's Animal Farm??? [/b][/quote]
What can I say, I was young and impressionable and the impression it left wasn't a good one!

Because I've watched one film years ago doesn't mean I back or endorse anything!

Grump

04-12-2005, 09:46 PM

I still wonder if the credit card companies were thinking "moral values" in taking the steps they have against our industry or "new bankruptcy laws".

Nickatilynx

04-12-2005, 09:52 PM

I never knew pigs had corkscrew dicks til I saw a Beast film.

So that makes them educational :)

;-))

JoesHO

04-12-2005, 09:59 PM

Originally posted by Grump@Apr 12 2005, 05:47 PM
I still wonder if the credit card companies were thinking "moral values" in taking the steps they have against our industry or "new bankruptcy laws".
Are you implying a deal of some sort was made? like we will give you your bankruptcy laws, if you stop processing porn type of thing? is that the question as I understand it? or did I miss it entirlely

Grump

04-12-2005, 10:47 PM

Not implying one was made, wondering if one was.

JoesHO

04-12-2005, 11:42 PM

Originally posted by Grump@Apr 12 2005, 06:48 PM
Not implying one was made, wondering if one was.
Yeah, good question

04-13-2005, 12:05 AM

Originally posted by SykkBoy+Apr 12 2005, 10:38 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SykkBoy @ Apr 12 2005, 10:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Paul Markham@Apr 11 2005, 11:37 AM
Bloody good job.

Sorry Raven but I'm not here for the politics I'm here to make money. As a guy who can shoot erotic stuff without abusing a woman or portraying women as toilets or objects to be used I would like them to ban even more.

It will not cost us 1 surfer, but clear out a lot of guys who can't tell porn from the arses.
ah, here we go again
Paul, you really have no grounds for a moral complex...
your "my porn is holier than your porn" shit won't fly here, mate, this isn't GFY...

maybe after they've cleaned up the extreme people, theyc an focus on you...there are a lot of people who take issue with what you do...take 18 and 19 year old girls in Eastern Europe and exploit their need for money and lack of a job situation. face it, we're in an exploitative business...there are some right wingers who feel what YOU do is the same as treating a woman as an object and as a toilet...perhaps they are right too?

Just because you use better lighting, it doesn't make you a better pornographer...[/b][/quote]
thank god someone said it!!!!!

I'm sure your girl's daddy's (the real ones) would consider what you do to be exploiting their daughters ....

I think what you do is equally as disgusting as extreme content because you manipulate misguided young women into a life that they can rarely get out of. Sure whatever they have a choice. I've seen your type in action! You prey on weaknesses and manipulate them to your advantage .... that doesn't make you anybody's hero.

04-13-2005, 12:12 AM

for those of you who are screaming about how this is censorship and should not be allowed blah blah .....

are you seriously stating that mastercard is wrong for choosing not to process RAPE sites? Forget the rest of it that is moral argument, do you think RAPE is a moral argument and that this should be allowed under freedom of speech?!?!

The only line of defense ANY of us have in a court of law is CONSENT.
Rape is the opposite of consent and an animal can't give consent. I would be less concerned about visa, mastercard, your hosting company, your reputation etc than I would about the RSPCA and Peta.

Nickatilynx

04-13-2005, 12:33 AM

It is well known in Wales that sheep gag for it and are well known for there lack of virtue.

Welsh people know that "Bah" means "Yes"!!!

As do New Zealanders

;-)))

Becki

04-13-2005, 04:29 AM

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Apr 12 2005, 08:34 PM
It is well known in Wales that sheep gag for it and are well known for there lack of virtue.

Welsh people know that "Bah" means "Yes"!!!

As do New Zealanders

;-)))
lol :lol:

Where's rendh when you need him :biglaugh:

SykkBoy

04-13-2005, 04:55 AM

Originally posted by cj@Apr 12 2005, 11:13 PM
for those of you who are screaming about how this is censorship and should not be allowed blah blah .....

are you seriously stating that mastercard is wrong for choosing not to process RAPE sites? Forget the rest of it that is moral argument, do you think RAPE is a moral argument and that this should be allowed under freedom of speech?!?!

The only line of defense ANY of us have in a court of law is CONSENT.
Rape is the opposite of consent and an animal can't give consent. I would be less concerned about visa, mastercard, your hosting company, your reputation etc than I would about the RSPCA and Peta.
They don't make a distinction between actual rape and simulated rape
I can go buy the movie Irreversible on DVD (with a mastercard even) and it has a very brutal rape scene in it...what about ravishment fantasies? I can buy a whole lot of "romance" novels with strong men who ravish women and "take them"...

I don't think anyone is going to have actual rape sites and real "snuff" sites...I can go buy the entiure Friday The 13th series on DVD (and I've done just that) and I could have bought it with my mastercard (should I actually choose to ever carry one). Isn't that simulated snuff?

So, if I were to take the movie Irreversible and a Friday the 13th video and ripped them and stuck them up behind a credit card area, Mastercard wouldn't process for these? why (copyright issues aside ;-))?

Rikk

04-13-2005, 05:07 AM

Motion pictures such as Friday 13th are fantasy and anyone watching them know they are fake but the people churning out 'snuff' and 'rape' are trying to make them as real as possible. to the point were the viewer has to question if what they saw was real.

The whole point in these 'rape' and 'snuff' vids is to make the buyer think they are seeing a real rape or murder if indeed they are not!

Rolo

04-13-2005, 05:18 AM

Sykk, one of my favorit quotes from Apocalypse Now:

Kurtz : We train young men to drop fire on people. But their commanders won't allow them to write "fuck" on their aeroplane because it's obscene.

The world have always been a place of hypocrisy... good thing is that we make our money from it - if porn was mainstream as Friday The 13th, then no one would buy it :)

Rolo

04-13-2005, 05:21 AM

Originally posted by Rikk@Apr 13 2005, 01:08 AM
Motion pictures such as Friday 13th are fantasy and anyone watching them know they are fake but the people churning out 'snuff' and 'rape' are trying to make them as real as possible. to the point were the viewer has to question if what they saw was real.
Sounds exactly like what Michael Moore is doing ;-)))

Rikk

04-13-2005, 05:24 AM

Originally posted by Rolo+Apr 13 2005, 01:22 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Rolo @ Apr 13 2005, 01:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Rikk@Apr 13 2005, 01:08 AM
Motion pictures such as Friday 13th are fantasy and anyone watching them know they are fake but the people churning out 'snuff' and 'rape' are trying to make them as real as possible. to the point were the viewer has to question if what they saw was real.
Sounds exactly like what Michael Moore is doing ;-))) [/b][/quote]
:wnw:

as long as he beleive that its true he'll never stop putting his junk out there but I'm not saying he should be stopped from doing so, as that would be censorship.

:)

asander

04-13-2005, 05:35 AM

Originally posted by SykkBoy+Apr 13 2005, 12:56 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SykkBoy @ Apr 13 2005, 12:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-cj@Apr 12 2005, 11:13 PM
for those of you who are screaming about how this is censorship and should not be allowed blah blah .....

are you seriously stating that mastercard is wrong for choosing not to process RAPE sites? Forget the rest of it that is moral argument, do you think RAPE is a moral argument and that this should be allowed under freedom of speech?!?!

The only line of defense ANY of us have in a court of law is CONSENT.
Rape is the opposite of consent and an animal can't give consent. I would be less concerned about visa, mastercard, your hosting company, your reputation etc than I would about the RSPCA and Peta.
They don't make a distinction between actual rape and simulated rape
I can go buy the movie Irreversible on DVD (with a mastercard even) and it has a very brutal rape scene in it...what about ravishment fantasies? I can buy a whole lot of "romance" novels with strong men who ravish women and "take them"...

I don't think anyone is going to have actual rape sites and real "snuff" sites...I can go buy the entiure Friday The 13th series on DVD (and I've done just that) and I could have bought it with my mastercard (should I actually choose to ever carry one). Isn't that simulated snuff?

So, if I were to take the movie Irreversible and a Friday the 13th video and ripped them and stuck them up behind a credit card area, Mastercard wouldn't process for these? why (copyright issues aside ;-))? [/b][/quote]
With that logic that would make the nuns in Il Confessionale real, yes?

Almighty Colin

04-13-2005, 05:44 AM

Originally posted by cj@Apr 12 2005, 11:13 PM
for those of you who are screaming about how this is censorship and should not be allowed blah blah .....

are you seriously stating that mastercard is wrong for choosing not to process RAPE sites? Forget the rest of it that is moral argument, do you think RAPE is a moral argument and that this should be allowed under freedom of speech?!?!

The only line of defense ANY of us have in a court of law is CONSENT.
Rape is the opposite of consent and an animal can't give consent. I would be less concerned about visa, mastercard, your hosting company, your reputation etc than I would about the RSPCA and Peta.
Rape is wrong. Simulated rape fantasies I am ok with. I understand there are issues but like you alluded to there are issues with any kind of porn - even 18 year old teens.

Animal sex? What can I say? I've only seen one bestiality clip and it was pretty interesting to watch though I almost got sick when the donkey's cum exploded out of the girl's mouth. Consent? The donkey definitely looked like it was having a good time. I mean, it was getting its dick sucked and it wasn't tied down or trying to walk around or anything. Fuck, where are the consent forms for horseback riding? That's animal exploitation too. I can live with that. To tell you the truth, I ate cow yesterday and drank a glass of milk. Wanna see some footage of cow milking? Nice teets.

Mastercard can do whatever what they want. I dont have any issue with MC's decision.

Almighty Colin

04-13-2005, 05:46 AM

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Apr 12 2005, 11:34 PM
It is well known in Wales that sheep gag for it and are well known for there lack of virtue.

Welsh people know that "Bah" means "Yes"!!!

As do New Zealanders

;-)))
:wnw:

SykkBoy

04-13-2005, 06:31 AM

Originally posted by Rikk@Apr 13 2005, 04:08 AM
Motion pictures such as Friday 13th are fantasy and anyone watching them know they are fake but the people churning out 'snuff' and 'rape' are trying to make them as real as possible. to the point were the viewer has to question if what they saw was real.

The whole point in these 'rape' and 'snuff' vids is to make the buyer think they are seeing a real rape or murder if indeed they are not!
well, maybe we should stop bangbus....
that would make you think you could really pickup some girl along the road, fuck her and dump her?

are you saying people who can distinguish between reality and fantasy in a Friday The 13th movie can't do the same with something they see on the Internet?

Rikk

04-13-2005, 06:47 AM

Originally posted by SykkBoy+Apr 13 2005, 02:32 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SykkBoy @ Apr 13 2005, 02:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Rikk@Apr 13 2005, 04:08 AM
Motion pictures such as Friday 13th are fantasy and anyone watching them know they are fake but the people churning out 'snuff' and 'rape' are trying to make them as real as possible. to the point were the viewer has to question if what they saw was real.

The whole point in these 'rape' and 'snuff' vids is to make the buyer think they are seeing a real rape or murder if indeed they are not!
well, maybe we should stop bangbus....
that would make you think you could really pickup some girl along the road, fuck her and dump her?

are you saying people who can distinguish between reality and fantasy in a Friday The 13th movie can't do the same with something they see on the Internet? [/b][/quote]
Theres a big hop skip and a jump from a low budget B Horror film and a no budget 'reality' vid. say I go off and get 100 snuff or rape vids are you sure you could tell they were all faked?

the question would be how many are faked!

Grump

04-13-2005, 07:04 AM

Originally posted by cj@Apr 13 2005, 12:13 AM
for those of you who are screaming about how this is censorship and should not be allowed blah blah .....

are you seriously stating that mastercard is wrong for choosing not to process RAPE sites? Forget the rest of it that is moral argument, do you think RAPE is a moral argument and that this should be allowed under freedom of speech?!?!

The only line of defense ANY of us have in a court of law is CONSENT.
Rape is the opposite of consent and an animal can't give consent. I would be less concerned about visa, mastercard, your hosting company, your reputation etc than I would about the RSPCA and Peta.
I am saying that nobody else should have the right to say what I can look at as long as it is legal under the laws where I live. In Japan for example, that includes Rape fantasies and in other countries Animal Sex.

You jumped from simulated rape to Rape, since when did a photographic recreation of a crime become the same thing as the crime itself? Photos of murders are not murder, check out most movies in existance and you will find one thing in common... ACTORS.

Fantasy is just that, fantasy...as in not real. If we in this business can't make a convincing argument of this (especially to ourselves) then we are doomed as our opponents will soon be using the inverse to destroy us.

MasterCard and Visa are supposed to approve or decline transactions, not morals.

(EDIT - typo.)

OldJeff

04-13-2005, 09:08 AM

Originally posted by Grump@Apr 13 2005, 06:05 AM
MasterCard and Visa are supposed to approve or decline transactions, not morals.

And they are well within their rights not to process what they do not want to process.

THERE IS NO CENSORSHIP ISSUE HERE PEOPLE

MC does not want to be associated with some things in any way.

Just like Am Ex dumped all adult - MC has the right.

sudden

04-13-2005, 09:56 AM

This only becomes a censorship issue IF Mastercard is viewed as a monopoly. Seeing as VISA and Mastercard have some of the same people on the board, they're virtually one operation in my opinion. They also have a very large majority of the market for (online) creditcard processing.

If they were legally considered a monopoly (which you surely dont need 100% of the market to be considered) then they shouldn't be allowed to do this.

As far as I know, they're not considered a monopoly though, so there is no
censorship issue.

Whether or not they SHOULD be looked upon as a monopoly is another question however.

Rolo

04-13-2005, 10:13 AM

Originally posted by sudden@Apr 13 2005, 05:57 AM
If they were legally considered a monopoly (which you surely dont need 100% of the market to be considered) then they shouldn't be allowed to do this.

As far as I know, they're not considered a monopoly though, so there is no censorship issue.

Whether or not they SHOULD be looked upon as a monopoly is another question however.
The Paycom Vs. MasterCard case might give a hint how the courts look at it...

District Court Dismisses All Claims Brought Against MasterCard by Paycom Billing Services

PURCHASE, N.Y.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--April 4, 2005--MasterCard International announced today that a U.S. District court judge has dismissed all claims brought against MasterCard International by Paycom Billing Services, Inc. The judge ruled that Paycom suffered no antitrust harm as a result of MasterCard's rules or policies.

"MasterCard is pleased that the court agreed that the plaintiff, an aggregator of payment services, failed to demonstrate that the policies at issue in this case do not harm competition. The judge also recognized that the plaintiff has multiple options for accepting payment, and could choose not to participate in our network," said Eileen Simon, MasterCard associate general counsel.

Aggregators provide payment card services to multiple merchants, including online adult content websites.

The ruling was made in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of New York by Judge David G. Trager. Paycom was represented by Lloyd Constantine's firm, which also represented the merchants in the class action relating to debit.

The plaintiff, Paycom Billing Services, Inc. is an aggregator of sales for Internet businesses. Paycom contracts with Internet merchants, most of which, according the court's ruling, provide online digital adult content. Paycom's primary challenge was to MasterCard's chargeback system protecting against fraudulent purchases.

The court's ruling recognized that Paycom is free to stop accepting MasterCard on behalf of its clients, or to urge its clients' customers to pay with other payment cards. The judge ruled that the plaintiff could not demonstrate that MasterCard's policies harmed competition.

"We are pleased that Judge Trager recognized that antitrust laws are designed to protect competition, not individual competitors," Simon said.

The plaintiff brought other antitrust claims, which the court dismissed, against additional MasterCard policies: its Competitive Programs Policy (CPP), Cross-Border Acquiring Rules, and Internet Merchant Qualification Mandates. The court ruled that Paycom had no standing to bring antitrust claims relating to any of these policies.

Specifically regarding the CPP claim, Judge Trager ruled that in addition to the lack of standing on its antitrust theory, plaintiffs' damages are "highly speculative" because in order to determine plaintiff's damages, a court would first have to determine, for example, how many additional fraudulent transactions on any other payment network would have occurred if the CPP did not exist. This would amount to pure speculation.

We agree with the court's decision that determining any damages under this theory would be hopelessly speculative," said Simon.

http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/g...770&newsLang=en (http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20050404005770&newsLang=en)

:unsure:

SykkBoy

04-13-2005, 11:33 AM

Originally posted by Rikk+Apr 13 2005, 05:48 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Rikk @ Apr 13 2005, 05:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by SykkBoy@Apr 13 2005, 02:32 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Rikk@Apr 13 2005, 04:08 AM
Motion pictures such as Friday 13th are fantasy and anyone watching them know they are fake but the people churning out 'snuff' and 'rape' are trying to make them as real as possible. to the point were the viewer has to question if what they saw was real.

The whole point in these 'rape' and 'snuff' vids is to make the buyer think they are seeing a real rape or murder if indeed they are not!
well, maybe we should stop bangbus....
that would make you think you could really pickup some girl along the road, fuck her and dump her?

are you saying people who can distinguish between reality and fantasy in a Friday The 13th movie can't do the same with something they see on the Internet?
Theres a big hop skip and a jump from a low budget B Horror film and a no budget 'reality' vid. say I go off and get 100 snuff or rape vids are you sure you could tell they were all faked?

the question would be how many are faked! [/b][/quote]
obviously you aren't ignorant of the Guinnea Pig series of movies...or Men Behind The Sun....what about "Bad Cop, No Donut" or "Scrapbook"?
I can purchase the entire Guinnea Pig series with a mastercard (if I were to ever carry one) but I couldn't put that same content behind a credit card protected area....
and why would it have to be "reality" porn?

Holy shit, I can order the whole Guinnea Pig boxset (er, if I didn't already own it ;-)) from amazon.com (and could even use a mastercard to purchase it)
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detai...&s=dvd&n=507846 (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000679MJ2/qid=1113406248/sr=8-2/ref=sr_8__i2_xgl74/103-7941741-4093439?v=glance&s=dvd&n=507846)

Almighty Colin

04-13-2005, 12:31 PM

Originally posted by SykkBoy+Apr 13 2005, 10:34 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SykkBoy @ Apr 13 2005, 10:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Rikk@Apr 13 2005, 05:48 AM
Originally posted by SykkBoy@Apr 13 2005, 02:32 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Rikk@Apr 13 2005, 04:08 AM
Motion pictures such as Friday 13th are fantasy and anyone watching them know they are fake but the people churning out 'snuff' and 'rape' are trying to make them as real as possible. to the point were the viewer has to question if what they saw was real.

The whole point in these 'rape' and 'snuff' vids is to make the buyer think they are seeing a real rape or murder if indeed they are not!
well, maybe we should stop bangbus....
that would make you think you could really pickup some girl along the road, fuck her and dump her?

are you saying people who can distinguish between reality and fantasy in a Friday The 13th movie can't do the same with something they see on the Internet?
Theres a big hop skip and a jump from a low budget B Horror film and a no budget 'reality' vid. say I go off and get 100 snuff or rape vids are you sure you could tell they were all faked?

the question would be how many are faked!
obviously you aren't ignorant of the Guinnea Pig series of movies...or Men Behind The Sun....what about "Bad Cop, No Donut" or "Scrapbook"?
I can purchase the entire Guinnea Pig series with a mastercard (if I were to ever carry one) but I couldn't put that same content behind a credit card protected area....
and why would it have to be "reality" porn?

Holy shit, I can order the whole Guinnea Pig boxset (er, if I didn't already own it ;-)) from amazon.com (and could even use a mastercard to purchase it)
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detai...&s=dvd&n=507846 (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000679MJ2/qid=1113406248/sr=8-2/ref=sr_8__i2_xgl74/103-7941741-4093439?v=glance&s=dvd&n=507846) [/b][/quote]
"DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT BUYING THIS UNLESS YOU ARE HIGHLY TOLERANT OF GORE AND REVOLTING IMAGERY ..EVEN THOSE WHO THINK THEY LIKE THIS SORT OF THING MAY HAVE TROUBLEWATCHING IT."

Rikk

04-13-2005, 12:37 PM

Originally posted by SykkBoy+Apr 13 2005, 07:34 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SykkBoy @ Apr 13 2005, 07:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by Rikk@Apr 13 2005, 05:48 AM
Originally posted by SykkBoy@Apr 13 2005, 02:32 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Rikk@Apr 13 2005, 04:08 AM
Motion pictures such as Friday 13th are fantasy and anyone watching them know they are fake but the people churning out 'snuff' and 'rape' are trying to make them as real as possible. to the point were the viewer has to question if what they saw was real.

The whole point in these 'rape' and 'snuff' vids is to make the buyer think they are seeing a real rape or murder if indeed they are not!
well, maybe we should stop bangbus....
that would make you think you could really pickup some girl along the road, fuck her and dump her?

are you saying people who can distinguish between reality and fantasy in a Friday The 13th movie can't do the same with something they see on the Internet?
Theres a big hop skip and a jump from a low budget B Horror film and a no budget 'reality' vid. say I go off and get 100 snuff or rape vids are you sure you could tell they were all faked?

the question would be how many are faked!
obviously you aren't ignorant of the Guinnea Pig series of movies...or Men Behind The Sun....what about "Bad Cop, No Donut" or "Scrapbook"?
I can purchase the entire Guinnea Pig series with a mastercard (if I were to ever carry one) but I couldn't put that same content behind a credit card protected area....
and why would it have to be "reality" porn?

Holy shit, I can order the whole Guinnea Pig boxset (er, if I didn't already own it ;-)) from amazon.com (and could even use a mastercard to purchase it)
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detai...&s=dvd&n=507846 (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000679MJ2/qid=1113406248/sr=8-2/ref=sr_8__i2_xgl74/103-7941741-4093439?v=glance&s=dvd&n=507846)[/b][/quote]

All though they are all very graphic films made on a tiny budget there is nothing that makes me think that any of it is real, even the most extreme pictures from "Flower of flesh and blood" only make me ask I wonder how did they do that with such a small budget.

At no time do I for a second think anything but make-up and cheap affects. I'm sure if I could see stills from the 8mm film it was based on I would have a much different opinion.

SykkBoy

04-13-2005, 03:27 PM

Originally posted by Rikk+Apr 13 2005, 11:38 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Rikk @ Apr 13 2005, 11:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by SykkBoy@Apr 13 2005, 07:34 AM
Originally posted by Rikk@Apr 13 2005, 05:48 AM
Originally posted by SykkBoy@Apr 13 2005, 02:32 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Rikk@Apr 13 2005, 04:08 AM
Motion pictures such as Friday 13th are fantasy and anyone watching them know they are fake but the people churning out 'snuff' and 'rape' are trying to make them as real as possible. to the point were the viewer has to question if what they saw was real.

The whole point in these 'rape' and 'snuff' vids is to make the buyer think they are seeing a real rape or murder if indeed they are not!
well, maybe we should stop bangbus....
that would make you think you could really pickup some girl along the road, fuck her and dump her?

are you saying people who can distinguish between reality and fantasy in a Friday The 13th movie can't do the same with something they see on the Internet?
Theres a big hop skip and a jump from a low budget B Horror film and a no budget 'reality' vid. say I go off and get 100 snuff or rape vids are you sure you could tell they were all faked?

the question would be how many are faked!
obviously you aren't ignorant of the Guinnea Pig series of movies...or Men Behind The Sun....what about "Bad Cop, No Donut" or "Scrapbook"?
I can purchase the entire Guinnea Pig series with a mastercard (if I were to ever carry one) but I couldn't put that same content behind a credit card protected area....
and why would it have to be "reality" porn?

Holy shit, I can order the whole Guinnea Pig boxset (er, if I didn't already own it ;-)) from amazon.com (and could even use a mastercard to purchase it)
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detai...&s=dvd&n=507846 (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000679MJ2/qid=1113406248/sr=8-2/ref=sr_8__i2_xgl74/103-7941741-4093439?v=glance&s=dvd&n=507846)

All though they are all very graphic films made on a tiny budget there is nothing that makes me think that any of it is real, even the most extreme pictures from "Flower of flesh and blood" only make me ask I wonder how did they do that with such a small budget.

At no time do I for a second think anything but make-up and cheap affects. I'm sure if I could see stills from the 8mm film it was based on I would have a much different opinion. [/b][/quote]
well, Charlie Sheen obviously believed in the effects enough...he actually turned this movie into authorities as what he thought was a snuff film

I might have to screen these movies at an upcoming webmaster event :)

04-13-2005, 03:35 PM

Originally posted by OldJeff@Apr 13 2005, 05:09 AM

And they are well within their rights not to process what they do not want to process.

THERE IS NO CENSORSHIP ISSUE HERE PEOPLE
[/quote]
exactly.

Rikk

04-13-2005, 03:39 PM

Originally posted by SykkBoy+Apr 13 2005, 11:28 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SykkBoy @ Apr 13 2005, 11:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Rikk@Apr 13 2005, 11:38 AM
Originally posted by SykkBoy@Apr 13 2005, 07:34 AM
Originally posted by Rikk@Apr 13 2005, 05:48 AM
Originally posted by SykkBoy@Apr 13 2005, 02:32 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Rikk@Apr 13 2005, 04:08 AM
Motion pictures such as Friday 13th are fantasy and anyone watching them know they are fake but the people churning out 'snuff' and 'rape' are trying to make them as real as possible. to the point were the viewer has to question if what they saw was real.

The whole point in these 'rape' and 'snuff' vids is to make the buyer think they are seeing a real rape or murder if indeed they are not!
well, maybe we should stop bangbus....
that would make you think you could really pickup some girl along the road, fuck her and dump her?

are you saying people who can distinguish between reality and fantasy in a Friday The 13th movie can't do the same with something they see on the Internet?
Theres a big hop skip and a jump from a low budget B Horror film and a no budget 'reality' vid. say I go off and get 100 snuff or rape vids are you sure you could tell they were all faked?

the question would be how many are faked!
obviously you aren't ignorant of the Guinnea Pig series of movies...or Men Behind The Sun....what about "Bad Cop, No Donut" or "Scrapbook"?
I can purchase the entire Guinnea Pig series with a mastercard (if I were to ever carry one) but I couldn't put that same content behind a credit card protected area....
and why would it have to be "reality" porn?

Holy shit, I can order the whole Guinnea Pig boxset (er, if I didn't already own it ;-)) from amazon.com (and could even use a mastercard to purchase it)
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detai...&s=dvd&n=507846 (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000679MJ2/qid=1113406248/sr=8-2/ref=sr_8__i2_xgl74/103-7941741-4093439?v=glance&s=dvd&n=507846)

All though they are all very graphic films made on a tiny budget there is nothing that makes me think that any of it is real, even the most extreme pictures from "Flower of flesh and blood" only make me ask I wonder how did they do that with such a small budget.

At no time do I for a second think anything but make-up and cheap affects. I'm sure if I could see stills from the 8mm film it was based on I would have a much different opinion.
well, Charlie Sheen obviously believed in the effects enough...he actually turned this movie into authorities as what he thought was a snuff film

I might have to screen these movies at an upcoming webmaster event :) [/b][/quote]
but Charlie Sheen would come under the "would not know water from salt" catagory in my opinion. Interesting though.

SykkBoy

04-13-2005, 03:48 PM

Originally posted by Rikk+Apr 13 2005, 02:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Rikk @ Apr 13 2005, 02:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by SykkBoy@Apr 13 2005, 11:28 AM
Originally posted by Rikk@Apr 13 2005, 11:38 AM
Originally posted by SykkBoy@Apr 13 2005, 07:34 AM
Originally posted by Rikk@Apr 13 2005, 05:48 AM
Originally posted by SykkBoy@Apr 13 2005, 02:32 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Rikk@Apr 13 2005, 04:08 AM
Motion pictures such as Friday 13th are fantasy and anyone watching them know they are fake but the people churning out 'snuff' and 'rape' are trying to make them as real as possible. to the point were the viewer has to question if what they saw was real.

The whole point in these 'rape' and 'snuff' vids is to make the buyer think they are seeing a real rape or murder if indeed they are not!
well, maybe we should stop bangbus....
that would make you think you could really pickup some girl along the road, fuck her and dump her?

are you saying people who can distinguish between reality and fantasy in a Friday The 13th movie can't do the same with something they see on the Internet?
Theres a big hop skip and a jump from a low budget B Horror film and a no budget 'reality' vid. say I go off and get 100 snuff or rape vids are you sure you could tell they were all faked?

the question would be how many are faked!
obviously you aren't ignorant of the Guinnea Pig series of movies...or Men Behind The Sun....what about "Bad Cop, No Donut" or "Scrapbook"?
I can purchase the entire Guinnea Pig series with a mastercard (if I were to ever carry one) but I couldn't put that same content behind a credit card protected area....
and why would it have to be "reality" porn?

Holy shit, I can order the whole Guinnea Pig boxset (er, if I didn't already own it ;-)) from amazon.com (and could even use a mastercard to purchase it)
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detai...&s=dvd&n=507846 (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000679MJ2/qid=1113406248/sr=8-2/ref=sr_8__i2_xgl74/103-7941741-4093439?v=glance&s=dvd&n=507846)

All though they are all very graphic films made on a tiny budget there is nothing that makes me think that any of it is real, even the most extreme pictures from "Flower of flesh and blood" only make me ask I wonder how did they do that with such a small budget.

At no time do I for a second think anything but make-up and cheap affects. I'm sure if I could see stills from the 8mm film it was based on I would have a much different opinion.
well, Charlie Sheen obviously believed in the effects enough...he actually turned this movie into authorities as what he thought was a snuff film

I might have to screen these movies at an upcoming webmaster event :)
but Charlie Sheen would come under the "would not know water from salt" catagory in my opinion. Interesting though. [/b][/quote]
I just think there is a big difference between the staging of "extreme content" and actually showing "extreme content"

what if I used a CGI horse cock in a beasty vid? (ever see the movie Freddie Got Fingered?)

Rikk

04-13-2005, 04:16 PM

Originally posted by SykkBoy+Apr 13 2005, 11:49 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SykkBoy @ Apr 13 2005, 11:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Rikk@Apr 13 2005, 02:40 PM
Originally posted by SykkBoy@Apr 13 2005, 11:28 AM
Originally posted by Rikk@Apr 13 2005, 11:38 AM
Originally posted by SykkBoy@Apr 13 2005, 07:34 AM
Originally posted by Rikk@Apr 13 2005, 05:48 AM
Originally posted by SykkBoy@Apr 13 2005, 02:32 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Rikk@Apr 13 2005, 04:08 AM
Motion pictures such as Friday 13th are fantasy and anyone watching them know they are fake but the people churning out 'snuff' and 'rape' are trying to make them as real as possible. to the point were the viewer has to question if what they saw was real.

The whole point in these 'rape' and 'snuff' vids is to make the buyer think they are seeing a real rape or murder if indeed they are not!
well, maybe we should stop bangbus....
that would make you think you could really pickup some girl along the road, fuck her and dump her?

are you saying people who can distinguish between reality and fantasy in a Friday The 13th movie can't do the same with something they see on the Internet?
Theres a big hop skip and a jump from a low budget B Horror film and a no budget 'reality' vid. say I go off and get 100 snuff or rape vids are you sure you could tell they were all faked?

the question would be how many are faked!
obviously you aren't ignorant of the Guinnea Pig series of movies...or Men Behind The Sun....what about "Bad Cop, No Donut" or "Scrapbook"?
I can purchase the entire Guinnea Pig series with a mastercard (if I were to ever carry one) but I couldn't put that same content behind a credit card protected area....
and why would it have to be "reality" porn?

Holy shit, I can order the whole Guinnea Pig boxset (er, if I didn't already own it ;-)) from amazon.com (and could even use a mastercard to purchase it)
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detai...&s=dvd&n=507846 (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000679MJ2/qid=1113406248/sr=8-2/ref=sr_8__i2_xgl74/103-7941741-4093439?v=glance&s=dvd&n=507846)

All though they are all very graphic films made on a tiny budget there is nothing that makes me think that any of it is real, even the most extreme pictures from "Flower of flesh and blood" only make me ask I wonder how did they do that with such a small budget.

At no time do I for a second think anything but make-up and cheap affects. I'm sure if I could see stills from the 8mm film it was based on I would have a much different opinion.
well, Charlie Sheen obviously believed in the effects enough...he actually turned this movie into authorities as what he thought was a snuff film

I might have to screen these movies at an upcoming webmaster event :)
but Charlie Sheen would come under the "would not know water from salt" catagory in my opinion. Interesting though.
I just think there is a big difference between the staging of "extreme content" and actually showing "extreme content"

what if I used a CGI horse cock in a beasty vid? (ever see the movie Freddie Got Fingered?) [/b][/quote]
I have no problems with the showing of staged extreme content. its the showing of the real deal extreme content that angers me.

As for CGI thats a new ball game indeed! Im not touching that one yet but Freddie Got Fingered is a funny film. some parts I dont get but watching it a few more times will fix that.

Urban Legends Video

04-13-2005, 04:35 PM

Originally posted by The Other Steve@Apr 12 2005, 02:18 PM
While we are all joining the hullabaloo about how terrible some of these things are just remember that 20 years ago some of the niches that no one blinks an eye at these days were considered to be so grossly obscene that no decent person would ever even think about promoting it.
The funny thing is, it was also "the other way around". there were lots of mags which had pics of underage boys displayed nude or semi-nude, etc. but they weren't illegal (yet). It's one of the things Paul Reubens (Pee Wee Herman) got in trouble for: they found a bunch of mags from the ?1950's? in his house with this type of content.

Urban Legends Video

04-13-2005, 04:38 PM

Originally posted by Grump@Apr 12 2005, 08:47 PM
I still wonder if the credit card companies were thinking "moral values" in taking the steps they have against our industry or "new bankruptcy laws".
If the CC companies hadn't been pushing (and I do mean pushing........ giving CC's to school kids to get them "hooked" etc.) cards to people who never should have been issued in the first place, they wouldn't be in so much trouble and wouldn't need to be lobbying so hard to change the Bankruptcy Laws. They dug this hole for themsleves, and now are crying to be bailed out of it.

Urban Legends Video

04-13-2005, 04:40 PM

asander

04-13-2005, 04:46 PM

Originally posted by Urban Legends Video+Apr 13 2005, 12:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Urban Legends Video @ Apr 13 2005, 12:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@Apr 12 2005, 11:34 PM
It is well known in Wales that sheep gag for it and are well known for there lack of virtue.

Welsh people know that "Bah" means "Yes"!!!

As do New Zealanders

;-)))
And they long ago learned to do it at the edge of a cliff so that the sheep pushes back!!!!! [/b][/quote]
Wellies and velcro gloves :yowsa:

Urban Legends Video

04-13-2005, 04:46 PM

If there's a 2257 link on the front page showing that there are MODEL RELEASES AND ID'S ON FILE, how could anyone think it isn't simulated?

Urban Legends Video

04-13-2005, 04:47 PM

Originally posted by asander+Apr 13 2005, 03:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (asander @ Apr 13 2005, 03:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Urban Legends Video@Apr 13 2005, 12:41 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@Apr 12 2005, 11:34 PM
It is well known in Wales that sheep gag for it and are well known for there lack of virtue.

Welsh people know that "Bah" means "Yes"!!!

As do New Zealanders

;-)))
And they long ago learned to do it at the edge of a cliff so that the sheep pushes back!!!!!
Wellies and velcro gloves :yowsa: [/b][/quote]
Nah, you just put their rear legs into your boots.

Rikk

04-13-2005, 04:54 PM

Originally posted by Urban Legends Video@Apr 13 2005, 12:47 PM
If there's a 2257 link on the front page showing that there are MODEL RELEASES AND ID'S ON FILE, how could anyone think it isn't simulated?
Ever been to a site without a 2257 that has adult content? I have been to hundreds!

Urban Legends Video

04-13-2005, 05:09 PM

Originally posted by Rikk@Apr 13 2005, 03:55 PM

Ever been to a site without a 2257 that has adult content? I have been to hundreds!
I'd be curiuos to see a list of sites which had Mastercard as their processor and didn't have 2257 info, where Mastercard was now going to pull their processing because of the new rules.

Pro_Zac

04-13-2005, 05:10 PM

Originally posted by Urban Legends Video+Apr 13 2005, 01:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Urban Legends Video @ Apr 13 2005, 01:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Rikk@Apr 13 2005, 03:55 PM

Ever been to a site without a 2257 that has adult content? I have been to hundreds!
I'd be curiuos to see a list of sites which had Mastercard as their processor and didn't have 2257 info, where Mastercard was now going to pull their processing because of the new rules. [/b][/quote]
Your fucking joking right?

Urban Legends Video

04-13-2005, 06:10 PM

You obviously didn't get my point.

(But what about my joking?).

gonzo

04-13-2005, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by Urban Legends Video@Apr 13 2005, 05:11 PM
You obviously didn't get my point.

(But what about my joking?).
Be careful Brad might make fun of you as our next employee.

Urban Legends Video

04-13-2005, 06:17 PM

Originally posted by gonzo@Apr 13 2005, 05:15 PM
Be careful Brad might make fun of you as our next employee.
If you read where I post the most, you'll see I'm pretty good at holding my own* when it comes to making fun.

* how's that for a straight line setup?

gonzo

04-13-2005, 06:22 PM

Originally posted by Urban Legends Video+Apr 13 2005, 05:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Urban Legends Video @ Apr 13 2005, 05:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-gonzo@Apr 13 2005, 05:15 PM
Be careful Brad might make fun of you as our next employee.
If you read where I post the most, you'll see I'm pretty good at holding my own* when it comes to making fun.

* how's that for a straight line setup? [/b][/quote]
Post count doesnt matter no matter how much Jizzy and JuicyTwinks tells you it does.

Pro_Zac

04-13-2005, 06:31 PM

Originally posted by Urban Legends Video@Apr 13 2005, 02:11 PM
You obviously didn't get my point.

(But what about my joking?).
YOU HAVE GOT TO BE FUCKIN WITH ME!

Do not tell me your in the content game and are so fuckin clueless!

What do you only hit the se's lookin for a cheap filghts or to see how your site ends up in a whole pile of queries? never done a typo(purpus-o) and seen crazy shit?

Someone could shit on your ma and find a way to sell it to you!

It don't last long but it is there!

Urban Legends Video

04-13-2005, 07:06 PM

Originally posted by gonzo@Apr 13 2005, 05:23 PM

Post count doesnt matter no matter how much Jizzy and JuicyTwinks tells you it does.
Didn't say anything about post count.

And I seriously doubt anyone here has any clue as to the board I was referring to (at least until you get around to reading your PM's)..

Urban Legends Video

04-13-2005, 07:07 PM

Originally posted by Pro_Zac@Apr 13 2005, 05:32 PM
YOU HAVE GOT TO BE FUCKIN WITH ME!

Do not tell me your in the content game and are so fuckin clueless!

What do you only hit the se's lookin for a cheap filghts or to see how your site ends up in a whole pile of queries? never done a typo(purpus-o) and seen crazy shit?

Someone could shit on your ma and find a way to sell it to you!

It don't last long but it is there!
Can I recommend a good ESL course? (or better yet, a logic course?).

gonzo

04-13-2005, 07:09 PM

Originally posted by Urban Legends Video+Apr 13 2005, 06:07 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Urban Legends Video @ Apr 13 2005, 06:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-gonzo@Apr 13 2005, 05:23 PM

Post count doesnt matter no matter how much Jizzy and JuicyTwinks tells you it does.
Didn't say anything about post count.

And I seriously doubt anyone here has any clue as to the board I was referring to (at least unitl you get around to reading your PM's).. [/b][/quote]
I need to clean those out. They dont come up like they used to. Probably cuz it stays full. Ill delete all those nasty ones from that fat old hag Confucy about her masterbating with a hairbrush to me in the fur coat and that should clean things out.

Pro_Zac

04-13-2005, 07:12 PM

Originally posted by Urban Legends Video+Apr 13 2005, 03:08 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Urban Legends Video @ Apr 13 2005, 03:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Pro_Zac@Apr 13 2005, 05:32 PM
YOU HAVE GOT TO BE FUCKIN WITH ME!

Do not tell me your in the content game and are so fuckin clueless!

What do you only hit the se's lookin for a cheap filghts or to see how your site ends up in a whole pile of queries? never done a typo(purpus-o) and seen crazy shit?

Someone could shit on your ma and find a way to sell it to you!

It don't last long but it is there!
Can I recommend a good ESL course? (or better yet, a logic course?). [/b][/quote]
For you or for me? Coz kid if the best thing you could bring here is 2257 then your better off just tucking your legs up your ass and rolling away!

Urban Legends Video

04-13-2005, 07:16 PM

Originally posted by gonzo@Apr 13 2005, 06:10 PM

I need to clean those out. They dont come up like they used to. Probably cuz it stays full. Ill delete all those nasty ones from that fat old hag Confucy about her masterbating with a hairbrush to me in the fur coat and that should clean things out.
Let me know if you need it re-sent (but please look because I don't feel like re-doing it).

04-13-2005, 11:03 PM

Originally posted by Grump+Apr 13 2005, 06:05 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Grump @ Apr 13 2005, 06:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-cj@Apr 13 2005, 12:13 AM
for those of you who are screaming about how this is censorship and should not be allowed blah blah .....

are you seriously stating that mastercard is wrong for choosing not to process RAPE sites? Forget the rest of it that is moral argument, do you think RAPE is a moral argument and that this should be allowed under freedom of speech?!?!

The only line of defense ANY of us have in a court of law is CONSENT.
Rape is the opposite of consent and an animal can't give consent. I would be less concerned about visa, mastercard, your hosting company, your reputation etc than I would about the RSPCA and Peta.
I am saying that nobody else should have the right to say what I can look at as long as it is legal under the laws where I live. In Japan for example, that includes Rape fantasies and in other countries Animal Sex.

You jumped from simulated rape to Rape, since when did a photographic recreation of a crime become the same thing as the crime itself? Photos of murders are not murder, check out most movies in existance and you will find one thing in common... ACTORS.

Fantasy is just that, fantasy...as in not real. If we in this business can't make a convincing argument of this (especially to ourselves) then we are doomed as our opponents will soon be using the inverse to destroy us.

MasterCard and Visa are supposed to approve or decline transactions, not morals.

(EDIT - typo.) [/b][/quote]
I didn't jump from simulated rape to rape.

you jumped from rape to simulated rape.

the list said rape.

not simulated rape.

you jumped from photos of murder to movies about murder.

a photo of a murder is not fantasy, its evidence.

one of us would have trouble making a convincing argument in court or the media, and it isn't me.

Visa and mastercard are not *supposed* to do anything. They are a business and can choose who or what they will process whenever they please and they can interpret the laws as vaguely as they like in proportion to how much they pay their lawyers.

04-13-2005, 11:15 PM

Originally posted by Almighty Colin+Apr 13 2005, 04:45 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Almighty Colin @ Apr 13 2005, 04:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-cj@Apr 12 2005, 11:13 PM
for those of you who are screaming about how this is censorship and should not be allowed blah blah .....

are you seriously stating that mastercard is wrong for choosing not to process RAPE sites? Forget the rest of it that is moral argument, do you think RAPE is a moral argument and that this should be allowed under freedom of speech?!?!

The only line of defense ANY of us have in a court of law is CONSENT.
Rape is the opposite of consent and an animal can't give consent. I would be less concerned about visa, mastercard, your hosting company, your reputation etc than I would about the RSPCA and Peta.
Rape is wrong. Simulated rape fantasies I am ok with. I understand there are issues but like you alluded to there are issues with any kind of porn - even 18 year old teens.

Animal sex? What can I say? I've only seen one bestiality clip and it was pretty interesting to watch though I almost got sick when the donkey's cum exploded out of the girl's mouth. Consent? The donkey definitely looked like it was having a good time. I mean, it was getting its dick sucked and it wasn't tied down or trying to walk around or anything. Fuck, where are the consent forms for horseback riding? That's animal exploitation too. I can live with that. To tell you the truth, I ate cow yesterday and drank a glass of milk. Wanna see some footage of cow milking? Nice teets.

Mastercard can do whatever what they want. I dont have any issue with MC's decision. [/b][/quote]
Good points about horse riding etc ... we do lots of things to animals and other people that we don't stop to get consent for ... no point arguing whether that is right or wrong because its not going to change in our lifetimes.

but on the subject of the animal enjoying it ....

that is such a copout of an excuse ... ok, there may be some animals who get pleasure from this, but using that as an all encompassing excuse borders on animal abuse.

for example ... female dogs, when they are ready to have sex, go on heat. the blood provides lubrication as female dogs have no natural lubrication at all. When a male human being sticks his dick in an unlubricated dog, do you think the bitch is getting pleasure from this?! same in reverse for a male dog, they don't carry that little pink lipstick around in its own little protective case for nothing!

Perhaps the donkey enjoyed it ... did he tell you over a beer at the pub afterwards?!

When I mentioned RSPCA and PETA as what should be a beastiality producers biggest fear ... I wasn't joking.

Almighty Colin

04-14-2005, 04:00 AM

Originally posted by cj@Apr 13 2005, 10:16 PM
but on the subject of the animal enjoying it ....

that is such a copout of an excuse ... ok, there may be some animals who get pleasure from this, but using that as an all encompassing excuse borders on animal abuse.

for example ... female dogs, when they are ready to have sex, go on heat. the blood provides lubrication as female dogs have no natural lubrication at all. When a male human being sticks his dick in an unlubricated dog, do you think the bitch is getting pleasure from this?! same in reverse for a male dog, they don't carry that little pink lipstick around in its own little protective case for nothing!

When the bitch says no she means no. (edit. The female dog, not CJ ;-) )

CJ's tips for bestiality content producers: Please use lube.

Grump

04-14-2005, 06:49 AM

Wow CJ... you intentionally (I hope) missed every point I made. Yes the list says rape sites but we both know that they are referring to rape fantasy sites containing simulated rape depictions.

Ignore the issues and argue the minutia right CJ? You'll be the one arguing about the color of the hose as this industry burns to the ground.

I guess next you'll either tell me how you own3d me or how damb good looking you are.

Rikk

04-14-2005, 08:40 AM

its thier ball and they can take it and go home any time the feel like it.

Elli

04-14-2005, 02:43 PM

Originally posted by Urban Legends Video+Apr 13 2005, 12:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Urban Legends Video @ Apr 13 2005, 12:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by asander@Apr 13 2005, 03:47 PM
Originally posted by Urban Legends Video@Apr 13 2005, 12:41 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@Apr 12 2005, 11:34 PM
It is well known in Wales that sheep gag for it and are well known for there lack of virtue.

Welsh people know that "Bah" means "Yes"!!!

As do New Zealanders

;-)))
And they long ago learned to do it at the edge of a cliff so that the sheep pushes back!!!!!
Wellies and velcro gloves :yowsa:
Nah, you just put their rear legs into your boots. [/b][/quote]
Not *that* is funny! :)

Seriously though, I thought snuff was illegal pretty much anywhere. So that was a no-brainer.

gonzo

04-14-2005, 03:13 PM

Grump

04-14-2005, 03:42 PM

Not taunting... showing the same lack of respect I was shown.

Almighty Colin

04-14-2005, 03:42 PM

Originally posted by gonzo+Apr 14 2005, 02:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gonzo @ Apr 14 2005, 02:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Grump@Apr 14 2005, 05:50 AM
Wow CJ... you intentionally (I hope) missed every point I made. Yes the list says rape sites but we both know that they are referring to rape fantasy sites containing simulated rape depictions.

Ignore the issues and argue the minutia right CJ? You'll be the one arguing about the color of the hose as this industry burns to the ground.

I guess next you'll either tell me how you own3d me or how damb good looking you are.
Its not wise to taunt the "Thunder from Down Under" ... even if you are on a dsl line. [/b][/quote]
This is solid advice :-)

Duck and cover, Grump

gonzo

04-14-2005, 03:50 PM

Originally posted by Grump@Apr 14 2005, 02:43 PM
Not taunting... showing the same lack of respect I was shown.
Not so much of a lack of respect so much as she will tell you what she thinks no matter who you are.

What is it you do Grump?

The Other Steve

04-14-2005, 04:06 PM

Grump you forget the basic rules about women.

Rule 1 - Women are always right

Rule 2 - If you find a woman who is wrong then refer to Rule 1

I have obeyed those rules religiously for the last decade and it has led to a long and happy life for me and my wife :)

04-14-2005, 07:38 PM

Originally posted by Almighty Colin+Apr 14 2005, 03:01 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Almighty Colin @ Apr 14 2005, 03:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-cj@Apr 13 2005, 10:16 PM
but on the subject of the animal enjoying it ....

that is such a copout of an excuse ... ok, there may be some animals who get pleasure from this, but using that as an all encompassing excuse borders on animal abuse.

for example ... female dogs, when they are ready to have sex, go on heat. the blood provides lubrication as female dogs have no natural lubrication at all. When a male human being sticks his dick in an unlubricated dog, do you think the bitch is getting pleasure from this?! same in reverse for a male dog, they don't carry that little pink lipstick around in its own little protective case for nothing!

When the bitch says no she means no. (edit. The female dog, not CJ ;-) )

CJ's tips for bestiality content producers: Please use lube. [/b][/quote]
Would you like me to introduce you to some PETA reps? If you think I'm obnoxious and opinionated, imagine if you added unlimited finances and celebrity faces to that combination.

But more importantly, because few people here care that animals are being abused for human pleasure and are entirely driven by the money asoect, let me ask you this ... how many of those who ran beastiality sites back in the day have actually made a financial benefit out of it and hung onto it?

There was 3 guys I had the misfortune of working with who were responsible for most of the 'furry' sites in 99 ...

1 is a heroine addict whose family walked out on him
another is broke and still being investigated 6 years later
the other can't travel for fear of customs and being blackmailed

all 3 live in fear of hans berger and the 'men' he's sent to investigate the illegal use of his content and have trouble finding people who will do business with them anymore.

so moral and ethical issues aside, what is the point?

guilt has a funny way of eating away at human beings insides. you might say you think its funny and entertaining now for the purpose of discussion, but eventually your actions catch up with you.

04-14-2005, 07:53 PM

Originally posted by Grump@Apr 14 2005, 05:50 AM
Wow CJ... you intentionally (I hope) missed every point I made. Yes the list says rape sites but we both know that they are referring to rape fantasy sites containing simulated rape depictions.

Ignore the issues and argue the minutia right CJ? You'll be the one arguing about the color of the hose as this industry burns to the ground.

I guess next you'll either tell me how you own3d me or how damb good looking you are.
d u d e, get a grip!

I suggest you step outside, bash your head against the wall of your house a few times, then come back and try again.

If I seriously need to tell you how good looking I am, we are never going to get past this first stage of conversation!!!!!!!

:rolleyes:

oh and you are so ... like ... own3d dude
look how easily you came running for 50k hits!!!!!!

:lol: