who here has been successful in mainstream [Archive]

JizBiz

04-09-2005, 01:46 PM

Originally posted by Biggy@Apr 9 2005, 12:06 PM
How many of you have become successful in mainstream, and do you think the skills and talents you learned in adult gave you an edge?
Allright now this is just my opinion based on what i have found.

If you truely know your adult stuff and are making money at it, then it should be DAMN NEAR IMPOSSIBLE TO FAIL IN MAINSTREAM.

I have found that the targets i set myself in mainstream have been twice as easy to hit as the targets in mainstream. Im not exactly sure why but i do know that our tech in this industry is pretty advanced, and when stuff comes out in adult it usually takes a couple months for the mainstream guys to spin it.

Bottom line...in mainstream you have less of a worry about coming across "bad zones" that the engines dont like, you also have the ability to market and promote your shit on 100X's as many places. (including the mainstream media)

What you need to look at??

Make sure whatever your gonna promote pays. Very few places offer PPS or even a percentage that i see as worth my time (lots of 7-10% payouts...FUCK THAT NOISE) . But you can also find some gold out there....I have many contacts in mainstream and i will tell you some of the hotspots these guys make good bank in is....

GAMBLING
DATING
FINANCES
REAL ESTATE
MOBILES
HEALTH (adsense ROCKS with some good health shit on them)
SCIENCE (once again an adsense builder)

And my all time favorite one....ohhhh....and...

Fuck that. ..heh

Views expressed are in no way the views or beleifs of Oprano.com. All views and opinions read in this post are solely the proprietary actions of JizBiz. For more information please contact idontgiveafuck@oprano.com

rendh

04-09-2005, 01:50 PM

Originally posted by JizBiz+Apr 9 2005, 09:47 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JizBiz @ Apr 9 2005, 09:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Biggy@Apr 9 2005, 12:06 PM
How many of you have become successful in mainstream, and do you think the skills and talents you learned in adult gave you an edge?
Allright now this is just my opinion based on what i have found.

If you truely know your adult stuff and are making money at it, then it should be DAMN NEAR IMPOSSIBLE TO FAIL IN MAINSTREAM.

I have found that the targets i set myself in mainstream have been twice as easy to hit as the targets in mainstream. Im not exactly sure why but i do know that our tech in this industry is pretty advanced, and when stuff comes out in adult it usually takes a couple months for the mainstream guys to spin it.

Bottom line...in mainstream you have less of a worry about coming across "bad zones" that the engines dont like, you also have the ability to market and promote your shit on 100X's as many places. (including the mainstream media)

What you need to look at??

Make sure whatever your gonna promote pays. Very few places offer PPS or even a percentage that i see as worth my time (lots of 7-10% payouts...FUCK THAT NOISE) . But you can also find some gold out there....I have many contacts in mainstream and i will tell you some of the hotspots these guys make good bank in is....

GAMBLING
DATING
FINANCES
REAL ESTATE
MOBILES
HEALTH (adsense ROCKS with some good health shit on them)
SCIENCE (once again an adsense builder)

And my all time favorite one....ohhhh....and...

Fuck that. ..heh

Views expressed are in no way the views or beleifs of Oprano.com. All views and opinions read in this post are solely the proprietary actions of JizBiz. For more information please contact idontgiveafuck@oprano.com [/b][/quote]
:wnw:

I'd add meds to that list :)

JizBiz

04-09-2005, 01:55 PM

Originally posted by rendh+Apr 9 2005, 12:51 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (rendh @ Apr 9 2005, 12:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by JizBiz@Apr 9 2005, 09:47 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Biggy@Apr 9 2005, 12:06 PM
How many of you have become successful in mainstream, and do you think the skills and talents you learned in adult gave you an edge?
Allright now this is just my opinion based on what i have found.

If you truely know your adult stuff and are making money at it, then it should be DAMN NEAR IMPOSSIBLE TO FAIL IN MAINSTREAM.

I have found that the targets i set myself in mainstream have been twice as easy to hit as the targets in mainstream. Im not exactly sure why but i do know that our tech in this industry is pretty advanced, and when stuff comes out in adult it usually takes a couple months for the mainstream guys to spin it.

Bottom line...in mainstream you have less of a worry about coming across "bad zones" that the engines dont like, you also have the ability to market and promote your shit on 100X's as many places. (including the mainstream media)

What you need to look at??

Make sure whatever your gonna promote pays. Very few places offer PPS or even a percentage that i see as worth my time (lots of 7-10% payouts...FUCK THAT NOISE) . But you can also find some gold out there....I have many contacts in mainstream and i will tell you some of the hotspots these guys make good bank in is....

GAMBLING
DATING
FINANCES
REAL ESTATE
MOBILES
HEALTH (adsense ROCKS with some good health shit on them)
SCIENCE (once again an adsense builder)

And my all time favorite one....ohhhh....and...

Fuck that. ..heh

Views expressed are in no way the views or beleifs of Oprano.com. All views and opinions read in this post are solely the proprietary actions of JizBiz. For more information please contact idontgiveafuck@oprano.com
:wnw:

I'd add meds to that list :) [/b][/quote]
errrrr

Actually thats the one i removed from it

:groucho:

But i will add this one.

Psychics (like crack for most people out there)

Becki

04-09-2005, 01:57 PM

Oh lord, I'm spending so much time trying to crack adult that I just dont think I could even think of going mainstream right now :( :unsure:

Nickatilynx

04-09-2005, 02:33 PM

Ummm sorry , but I totally disagree.

In fact I think it is vice vera..

I think most people in thisw business are here :
a) because they are pervs
B) because frankly they failed in mainstream/real world.

I was very successful in mainstream and retired to the spend half my time in Manalapan Florida and The countryside of England.

I had interests in car parks ,tailer parks and a classic car garage.

However...

You get used to a certain standard of living lol...and so my burn rate was prretty high.

Fortunately my brother was online fucking around in 96 as I nagged him to come out into the florida sunshine.

After coating him about being a nerd he informed me "there porn" and so I was in like Flynn. LOL

I went to Persian Kitty saw the banners traced back and say that you could earn from them saw PKs counter , assumed everyone clicked on the banners and though "holy crap , you could get rich doing this" LOL

A perfect way to top up my burning nest egg. :)

I am an opportunist.

I do not just sell porn.Most of my money come from non-adult. I follow the money.

I like the adult world because it is similar to how I made money in the real world.

You can duck and dive , it is unregulated and the competition ain't that great ;-)))

myself included :)

Armstrong

04-09-2005, 02:36 PM

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Apr 9 2005, 10:34 AM
Ummm sorry , but I totally disagree.

In fact I think it is vice vera..

I think most people in thisw business are here :
a) because they are pervs
B) because frankly they failed in mainstream/real world.

I was very successful in mainstream and retired to the spend half my time in Manalapan Florida and The countryside of England.

I had interests in car parks ,tailer parks and a classic car garage.

However...

You get used to a certain standard of living lol...and so my burn rate was prretty high.

Fortunately my brother was online fucking around in 96 as I nagged him to come out into the florida sunshine.

After coating him about being a nerd he informed me "there porn" and so I was in like Flynn. LOL

I went to Persian Kitty saw the banners traced back and say that you could earn from them saw PKs counter , assumed everyone clicked on the banners and though "holy crap , you could get rich doing this" LOL

A perfect way to top up my burning nest egg. :)

I am an opportunist.

I do not just sell porn.Most of my money come from non-adult. I follow the money.

I like the adult world because it is similar to how I made money in the real world.

You can duck and dive , it is unregulated and the competition ain't that great ;-)))

myself included :)
Your not a 'wise guy' are you? :(

JizBiz

04-09-2005, 02:41 PM

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Apr 9 2005, 01:34 PM
I was very successful in mainstream and retired to the spend half my time in Manalapan Florida and The countryside of England.

I dont see where this is disagreeing...:)

The way you did it was opposite but what you did was the same.

You didnt dabble in mainstream and in adult before finding success but you knew your shit in mainstream BEFOR moving into the opposite field.

Sorry if im wrong. :nyanya:

Lee

04-09-2005, 02:41 PM

The difference with those who are 'successfull' in mainstream are apparent.

Many of the webmasters now looking at mainstream from a 'pornslingers' perspective do fail because they do approach mainstream based on what the 'adult industry' has told them 'mainstream' is ;)

In 'mainstream' they dont call themselves 'mainstream' thats how you can tell if a site, product or service is being offered by someone from the 'porn world' ;)

Thankfully we have some success in the mainstream world so far as gleaming the vast amounts of mainstream webmasters, the problem we're now having is turning all of that traffic into $$$ we'll get there, i have no doubt about that, its just going t take a little longer than we had originally anticipated. :)

Nickatilynx

04-09-2005, 02:49 PM

Originally posted by Armstrong+Apr 9 2005, 10:37 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Armstrong @ Apr 9 2005, 10:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@Apr 9 2005, 10:34 AM
Ummm sorry , but I totally disagree.

In fact I think it is vice vera..

I think most people in thisw business are here :
a) because they are pervs
B) because frankly they failed in mainstream/real world.

I was very successful in mainstream and retired to the spend half my time in Manalapan Florida and The countryside of England.

I had interests in car parks ,tailer parks and a classic car garage.

However...

You get used to a certain standard of living lol...and so my burn rate was prretty high.

Fortunately my brother was online fucking around in 96 as I nagged him to come out into the florida sunshine.

After coating him about being a nerd he informed me "there porn" and so I was in like Flynn. LOL

I went to Persian Kitty saw the banners traced back and say that you could earn from them saw PKs counter , assumed everyone clicked on the banners and though "holy crap , you could get rich doing this" LOL

A perfect way to top up my burning nest egg. :)

I am an opportunist.

I do not just sell porn.Most of my money come from non-adult. I follow the money.

I like the adult world because it is similar to how I made money in the real world.

You can duck and dive , it is unregulated and the competition ain't that great ;-)))

myself included :)
Your not a 'wise guy' are you? :( [/b][/quote]
No mate...I'm a pikey :)

Pro_Zac

04-09-2005, 02:50 PM

So I'm wondering here JixBiz how much did you make in adult before you decided to go into mainstream and how mush are you making in mainstream?

And between adult and mainstream what kind of income are we talking about... nothing motivates better than seeing what other people are accomplishing..

I should add that Ive watched Nick from waay back when Netpond was C.O.N.D.O.M and I know he is making money!

SykkBoy

04-09-2005, 02:58 PM

There are a lot of specialty niches in mainstream just like adult as well...
one I'm pursuing with a partner is http://www.loadbase.com
it's not quite complete yet, but very close.

There are an over 10,000 trucking companies and owner/operators and over 3500 registered freight brokers and they are 5-10 years behind on techonology and eager to learn (when motivated by money ;-))

Nickatilynx

04-09-2005, 03:03 PM

Nice idea sykk! :)

Armstrong

04-09-2005, 03:04 PM

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Apr 9 2005, 10:50 AM
No mate...I'm a pikey :)
:( Thats even worse

:lol:

grimm

04-09-2005, 03:05 PM

i've had a bit of luck in mainstream:)

the two are different animals. sure if you are going to be an affiliate in mainstream the dynamics arent that different, but your business model is the same, the product just change, that isnt starting a mainstream business, its just being an affiliate for someone else who has (nothing wrong with that at all, lot of people have done extraordinarily well)

SykkBoy

04-09-2005, 03:12 PM

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Apr 9 2005, 02:04 PM
Nice idea sykk! :)
membership model + upsells + future offline products like kiosks and wireless internet services
it also helps that my partner in the project has been in the trucking/transport business for over 30 years and his family has been for 80 years

and this is in addition to the other project you heard a few things about but they can also be intermingled ;-)

TheEnforcer

04-09-2005, 03:31 PM

Originally posted by SykkBoy+Apr 9 2005, 02:13 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SykkBoy @ Apr 9 2005, 02:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@Apr 9 2005, 02:04 PM
Nice idea sykk! :)
membership model + upsells + future offline products like kiosks and wireless internet services
it also helps that my partner in the project has been in the trucking/transport business for over 30 years and his family has been for 80 years

and this is in addition to the other project you heard a few things about but they can also be intermingled ;-) [/b][/quote]
Speaking of which.. how close are you with what we mentioned about Wisconsin?

SykkBoy

04-09-2005, 03:37 PM

Originally posted by TheEnforcer+Apr 9 2005, 02:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (TheEnforcer @ Apr 9 2005, 02:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by SykkBoy@Apr 9 2005, 02:13 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@Apr 9 2005, 02:04 PM
Nice idea sykk! :)
membership model + upsells + future offline products like kiosks and wireless internet services
it also helps that my partner in the project has been in the trucking/transport business for over 30 years and his family has been for 80 years

and this is in addition to the other project you heard a few things about but they can also be intermingled ;-)
Speaking of which.. how close are you with what we mentioned about Wisconsin? [/b][/quote]
prototypes are being built as we speak and should be ready first part of May :)
then our $$ guy writes a bigger check

Becki

04-09-2005, 03:39 PM

Originally posted by Pro_Zac@Apr 9 2005, 10:51 AM
So I'm wondering here JixBiz how much did you make in adult before you decided to go into mainstream and how mush are you making in mainstream?

And between adult and mainstream what kind of income are we talking about... nothing motivates better than seeing what other people are accomplishing..

I should add that Ive watched Nick from waay back when Netpond was C.O.N.D.O.M and I know he is making money!
The kind of answers I'd like to know as well :)

The Other Steve

04-09-2005, 03:49 PM

Originally posted by Becki+Apr 9 2005, 11:40 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Becki @ Apr 9 2005, 11:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Pro_Zac@Apr 9 2005, 10:51 AM
So I'm wondering here JixBiz how much did you make in adult before you decided to go into mainstream and how mush are you making in mainstream?

And between adult and mainstream what kind of income are we talking about... nothing motivates better than seeing what other people are accomplishing..

I should add that Ive watched Nick from waay back when Netpond was C.O.N.D.O.M and I know he is making money!
The kind of answers I'd like to know as well :) [/b][/quote]
In every community there are subjects that genteel people just don't talk about.

How much are you making is a question that is often asked by newbies but is probably not considered to be in good taste amongst adult webmasters.

Apart from being good taste or not there is no real way to verify the answer and a lot of people that you will see posting on adult webmaster boards and who look like big wheels in the industry are often not what they seem.

Pro_Zac

04-09-2005, 03:56 PM

Originally posted by The Other Steve+Apr 9 2005, 11:50 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (The Other Steve @ Apr 9 2005, 11:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Becki@Apr 9 2005, 11:40 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Pro_Zac@Apr 9 2005, 10:51 AM
So I'm wondering here JixBiz how much did you make in adult before you decided to go into mainstream and how mush are you making in mainstream?

And between adult and mainstream what kind of income are we talking about... nothing motivates better than seeing what other people are accomplishing..

I should add that Ive watched Nick from waay back when Netpond was C.O.N.D.O.M and I know he is making money!
The kind of answers I'd like to know as well :)
In every community there are subjects that genteel people just don't talk about.

How much are you making is a question that is often asked by newbies but is probably not considered to be in good taste amongst adult webmasters.

Apart from being good taste or not there is no real way to verify the answer and a lot of people that you will see posting on adult webmaster boards and who look like big wheels in the industry are often not what they seem. [/b][/quote]
I take that as a given but am I really expected to take advice from someone on the basis that the are a mod on a webmaster board?

I think not! Show me that your successful and I'll follow, don't show me.. well then your just another surfer passing time!

Pro_Zac

04-09-2005, 04:08 PM

Ok lets not go down the lines of 'how much do you make'! But I do want some kind of credentials, what have you accomplished?

Start to finish - built and sold with!

I don't know what goes on in secret talks and I don't know you from Adam but you're all over here offering advice and I want to know if the advice is good. If it's not then don't be a wanna-guru!

The Other Steve

04-09-2005, 04:16 PM

Originally posted by Pro_Zac@Apr 9 2005, 12:09 PM
Ok lets not go down the lines of 'how much do you make'! But I do want some kind of credentials, what have you accomplished?

Start to finish - built and sold with!

I don't know what goes on in secret talks and I don't know you from Adam but you're all over here offering advice and I want to know if the advice is good. If it's not then don't be a wanna-guru!
Well once again it seems that you may be disappointed - this is the adult internet where we are in the business of selling illusions and fantasies.

Some of us even do that when selling ourselves.

The best you can hope for is to take what anyone here may tell you and then weigh it up against common sense, what others say and what you may have learned from your own personal experiences.

But there is one over-riding test that you should apply to everything you are told here or on any other board and that is if it sounds too good to be true then it probably is.

Oh ... and don't ask us to show you what we have already built - that's jsut inviting someone to copy our work and I'm sure every one of us here have had that happen on too many occasions.

Becki

04-09-2005, 04:17 PM

Originally posted by The Other Steve+Apr 9 2005, 11:50 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (The Other Steve @ Apr 9 2005, 11:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Becki@Apr 9 2005, 11:40 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Pro_Zac@Apr 9 2005, 10:51 AM
So I'm wondering here JixBiz how much did you make in adult before you decided to go into mainstream and how mush are you making in mainstream?

And between adult and mainstream what kind of income are we talking about... nothing motivates better than seeing what other people are accomplishing..

I should add that Ive watched Nick from waay back when Netpond was C.O.N.D.O.M and I know he is making money!
The kind of answers I'd like to know as well :)
In every community there are subjects that genteel people just don't talk about.

How much are you making is a question that is often asked by newbies but is probably not considered to be in good taste amongst adult webmasters.

Apart from being good taste or not there is no real way to verify the answer and a lot of people that you will see posting on adult webmaster boards and who look like big wheels in the industry are often not what they seem. [/b][/quote]
I never wanted to step over the line and I do understand that this topic is over that line :(

I do feel that Pro_Zac does have good point though and I'd like to hear any answers that JizBiz is willing to provide :)

Nickatilynx

04-09-2005, 04:18 PM

I am a net God.

I have earned over 15million USD Dollars in this business (Gross)

Ask me a question I know everything :)

(true or false?)

;-)))

NickPapageorgio

04-09-2005, 04:19 PM

I actually started in mainstream and came over to adult. Did ok my first year and a half but snorted it all up like an idiot. Back on track now though. :awinky:

Pro_Zac

04-09-2005, 04:20 PM

Originally posted by The Other Steve+Apr 9 2005, 12:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (The Other Steve @ Apr 9 2005, 12:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Pro_Zac@Apr 9 2005, 12:09 PM
Ok lets not go down the lines of 'how much do you make'! But I do want some kind of credentials, what have you accomplished?

Start to finish - built and sold with!

I don't know what goes on in secret talks and I don't know you from Adam but you're all over here offering advice and I want to know if the advice is good. If it's not then don't be a wanna-guru!
Well once again it seems that you may be disappointed - this is the adult internet where we are in the business of selling illusions and fantasies.

Some of us even do that when selling ourselves.

The best you can hope for is to take what anyone here may tell you and then weigh it up against common sense, what others say and what you may have learned from your own personal experiences.

But there is one over-riding test that you should apply to everything you are told here or on any other board and that is if it sounds too good to be true then it probably is.

Oh ... and don't ask us to show you what we have already built - that's jsut inviting someone to copy our work and I'm sure every one of us here have had that happen on too many occasions. [/b][/quote]
Then make me a mod because I can build 2000 money making site per hour!

I call bullshit!
:angry:

Pro_Zac

04-09-2005, 04:21 PM

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Apr 9 2005, 12:19 PM
I am a net God.

I have earned over 15million USD Dollars in this business (Gross)

Ask me a question I know everything :)

(true or false?)

;-)))
After watching you over the years Id have to say false - its got to be so much more than that!

grimm

04-09-2005, 04:22 PM

Pro_Zac

04-09-2005, 04:23 PM

Originally posted by grimm+Apr 9 2005, 12:23 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (grimm @ Apr 9 2005, 12:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@Apr 9 2005, 12:19 PM
I am a net God.

I have earned over 15million USD Dollars in this business (Gross)

Ask me a question I know everything :)

(true or false?)

;-)))
if my brain were veal, how much would it cost? [/b][/quote]
How big is your head?

Nickatilynx

04-09-2005, 04:25 PM

JizBiz

04-09-2005, 04:26 PM

Originally posted by Pro_Zac+Apr 9 2005, 03:24 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Pro_Zac @ Apr 9 2005, 03:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by grimm@Apr 9 2005, 12:23 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@Apr 9 2005, 12:19 PM
I am a net God.

I have earned over 15million USD Dollars in this business (Gross)

Ask me a question I know everything :)

(true or false?)

;-)))
if my brain were veal, how much would it cost?
How big is your head? [/b][/quote]
Stay tuned my friend im typing as you read this....

grimm

04-09-2005, 04:26 PM

Originally posted by Pro_Zac+Apr 9 2005, 12:24 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Pro_Zac @ Apr 9 2005, 12:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by grimm@Apr 9 2005, 12:23 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@Apr 9 2005, 12:19 PM
I am a net God.

I have earned over 15million USD Dollars in this business (Gross)

Ask me a question I know everything :)

(true or false?)

;-)))
if my brain were veal, how much would it cost?
How big is your head? [/b][/quote]
see, if nick knows everything, hed already know that, therein lies the rub lol;)

grimm

04-09-2005, 04:27 PM

I rock a size 8 Buckeyes cap though:)

rendh

04-09-2005, 04:33 PM

Are you in a bad mood Pro?
You seem very pissed off :huh:

Trev

04-09-2005, 04:42 PM

I’m with The_Other_Steve on this, you either take the advice or you don’t.

If you asked me to prove anything you would get pissed off with me telling you to fuck off!

JixBiz has no need to prove anything, no one here has… but we all have advice to offer and 99.9% of the time it’s good advice.

Either take it.. or don't!

JizBiz

04-09-2005, 04:48 PM

Allright first off... If anyone of the people OFFERING advice in this thread are newbies that would probably be me.

History.

2 and a half years ago i clicked that elusive "webmaster" link and signed up for Nasty Dollars. Like many newcomers i chased the dream and built galleries and tried my luck at TGPS (like most newbies)

I VERY VERY soon realised that tgp was not the best business model if you were interested in quality reliable traffic. So i embarked on a journey to study traffic generation and hunt down the "best" traffic.

This lead me into SEO and to things like blogs. I can tell you straight up that i spent well over 60 hrs a week for 16 months, studying serps and backlinks on every fuckin page i built plus everyone i could find, listed that i didnt make.

I LEARNT my market, i learned how to attack it, how to intice it, and how to sell it. I focused on one thing and still i strive toward that one thing, the one goal i had for myself, to be able to generate traffic at will from the search engines, the golden traffic.

BUT point in story...i pursued what i was after relentlessly, i didnt sidetrack to try a mgp or sidetrack to try out mailing..i focused on what i wanted as a finished product. Im still not done.

Now it seems everyone here wants to talk about money. I have only officially been fulltime at my online business for less then 4 months. My trade was an electrition (over 10yrs) and my last contracted job was for 43$ an hour plus benefits. I will never need to twist another screwdriver if i choose not to. When the union calls and offers 45 an hour plus 125 travel a day i can just laugh...They could double that salary and it would be less then i make now after 4 months fulltime in my online business.

IT IS NOT EASY, this isnt something that just happens, be prepared to bust your ass and spend more time working for yourself then you ever worked for anyone, otherwise you have allready lost the battle.

But if your good it will all pay off dividends.

As far as calling bullshit, well to each there own, i have nothing to prove to anyone here, and definately would NOT post any official earnings or any of my money making sites. If you would like to talk in private THAT is a diferant story.

Trev

04-09-2005, 04:58 PM

Well put JizBiz :okthumb:

But we should get together and do some 'real' world things because I'm a mechanical engineer by trade and your a sparky :)

sarettah

04-09-2005, 05:27 PM

Originally posted by Pro_Zac@Apr 9 2005, 03:09 PM
I take that as a given but am I really expected to take advice from someone on the basis that the are a mod on a webmaster board?

I think not! Show me that your successful and I'll follow, don't show me.. well then your just another surfer passing time!

***************************

Ok lets not go down the lines of 'how much do you make'! But I do want some kind of credentials, what have you accomplished?

Start to finish - built and sold with!

I don't know what goes on in secret talks and I don't know you from Adam but you're all over here offering advice and I want to know if the advice is good. If it's not then don't be a wanna-guru!
How much did you pay for the course ?

Somone's advice around here is free to take or not.

Show me that your successful and I'll follow

As far as following or not, if you are looking for someone to follow then you're in the wrong place. We don't make sheep here and sheep don't survive long around here, we generally skin em and throw them on Steve's barbie and have a big old sheep feast (if Serge doesn't get to them first that is)

If JizBiz (or anyone else for that matter) feels he has something to offer, he is free to speak his mind. If he makes some claim to vast secrets then it is quite proper to call him on it. I haven't seen any such claims yet. I have however seen him offer to help out newbies (which is something that this board is NOT known for) and I have seen him add some value to threads.

just imho of course.

Now back to my reclusiveness

Trev

04-09-2005, 05:30 PM

Originally posted by sarettah+Apr 9 2005, 10:28 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (sarettah @ Apr 9 2005, 10:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Pro_Zac@Apr 9 2005, 03:09 PM
I take that as a given but am I really expected to take advice from someone on the basis that the are a mod on a webmaster board?

I think not! Show me that your successful and I'll follow, don't show me.. well then your just another surfer passing time!

***************************

Ok lets not go down the lines of 'how much do you make'! But I do want some kind of credentials, what have you accomplished?

Start to finish - built and sold with!

I don't know what goes on in secret talks and I don't know you from Adam but you're all over here offering advice and I want to know if the advice is good. If it's not then don't be a wanna-guru!
How much did you pay for the course ?

Somone's advice around here is free to take or not.

Show me that your successful and I'll follow

As far as following or not, if you are looking for someone to follow then you're in the wrong place. We don't make sheep here and sheep don't survive long around here, we generally skin em and throw them on Steve's barbie and have a big old sheep feast (if Serge doesn't get to them first that is)

If JizBiz (or anyone else for that matter) feels he has something to offer, he is free to speak his mind. If he makes some claim to vast secrets then it is quite proper to call him on it. I haven't seen any such claims yet. I have however seen him offer to help out newbies (which is something that this board is NOT known for) and I have seen him add some value to threads.

just imho of course.

Now back to my reclusiveness [/b][/quote]
:okthumb:

Now there's someone that knows about Oprano!

Sir I take my hat off to you :)

Pro_Zac

04-09-2005, 05:44 PM

Originally posted by sarettah+Apr 9 2005, 01:28 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (sarettah @ Apr 9 2005, 01:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Pro_Zac@Apr 9 2005, 03:09 PM
I take that as a given but am I really expected to take advice from someone on the basis that the are a mod on a webmaster board?

I think not! Show me that your successful and I'll follow, don't show me.. well then your just another surfer passing time!

***************************

Ok lets not go down the lines of 'how much do you make'! But I do want some kind of credentials, what have you accomplished?

Start to finish - built and sold with!

I don't know what goes on in secret talks and I don't know you from Adam but you're all over here offering advice and I want to know if the advice is good. If it's not then don't be a wanna-guru!
How much did you pay for the course ?

Somone's advice around here is free to take or not.

Show me that your successful and I'll follow

As far as following or not, if you are looking for someone to follow then you're in the wrong place. We don't make sheep here and sheep don't survive long around here, we generally skin em and throw them on Steve's barbie and have a big old sheep feast (if Serge doesn't get to them first that is)

If JizBiz (or anyone else for that matter) feels he has something to offer, he is free to speak his mind. If he makes some claim to vast secrets then it is quite proper to call him on it. I haven't seen any such claims yet. I have however seen him offer to help out newbies (which is something that this board is NOT known for) and I have seen him add some value to threads.

just imho of course.

Now back to my reclusiveness [/b][/quote]
Well excuse me, but I gave a tramp a buck the other day and he told me always bet red!

Is that advice I should take because he `offered it` or should I take it at face value!

rendh

04-09-2005, 05:47 PM

I'd hate to be in your head Pro :(

sarettah

04-09-2005, 06:13 PM

Originally posted by Pro_Zac@Apr 9 2005, 04:45 PM
Well excuse me, but I gave a tramp a buck the other day and he told me always bet red!

Is that advice I should take because he `offered it` or should I take it at face value!
First of all. I saw JizBiz offer up his opinion. (I know because he stated that it was his opinion) I also saw Nick disagree with his opinion as you are free to.

But I saw nothing that JizBiz said that should have caused a call for his credentials. He didn't promise to make anyone rich, he isn't trying to sell anything (that I can see). As I said, you want to take his advice, take it, you don't want to, don't.

As far as the betting on red I would jusyt ask one question. Do you feel lucky ? :yowsa:

JizBiz

04-09-2005, 06:16 PM

Originally posted by sarettah+Apr 9 2005, 05:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (sarettah @ Apr 9 2005, 05:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Pro_Zac@Apr 9 2005, 04:45 PM
Well excuse me, but I gave a tramp a buck the other day and he told me always bet red!

Is that advice I should take because he `offered it` or should I take it at face value!
First of all. I saw JizBiz offer up his opinion. (I know because he stated that it was his opinion) I also saw Nick disagree with his opinion as you are free to.

But I saw nothing that JizBiz said that should have caused a call for his credentials. He didn't promise to make anyone rich, he isn't trying to sell anything (that I can see). As I said, you want to take his advice, take it, you don't want to, don't.

As far as the betting on red I would jusyt ask one question. Do you feel lucky ? :yowsa: [/b][/quote]
Thanks sarettah.

Wish it was always that simple. :)

Dravyk

04-09-2005, 06:27 PM

sarettah

04-09-2005, 06:46 PM

Originally posted by JizBiz@Apr 9 2005, 05:17 PM
Wish it was always that simple. :)
Well, I probably wouldn't have said anything at all if ProZac was actually a newbie, but his statement earlier:

I should add that Ive watched Nick from waay back when Netpond was C.O.N.D.O.M and I know he is making money!

indicates he aint a newbie and that he is just baiting ya.

If he wants to play newbie, thats up to him but if he has been around long enough to remember condom (which was back in the days of stone tablet monitors) then he should have absorbed enough to make it by now through simple osmosis...

just imho of course....

Trev

04-09-2005, 06:48 PM

Originally posted by sarettah+Apr 9 2005, 11:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (sarettah @ Apr 9 2005, 11:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-JizBiz@Apr 9 2005, 05:17 PM
Wish it was always that simple. :)
Well, I probably wouldn't have said anything at all if ProZac was actually a newbie, but his statement earlier:

I should add that Ive watched Nick from waay back when Netpond was C.O.N.D.O.M and I know he is making money!

indicates he aint a newbie and that he is just baiting ya.

If he wants to play newbie, thats up to him but if he has been around long enough to remember condom (which was back in the days of stone tablet monitors) then he should have absorbed enough to make it by now through simple osmosis...

just imho of course.... [/b][/quote]
So very true :okthumb:

Nickatilynx

04-09-2005, 06:48 PM

He might have meant he was a newbie to this posting on this board , but not to reading it or to this business.

;-)))

sarettah

04-09-2005, 06:52 PM

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Apr 9 2005, 05:49 PM
He might have meant he was a newbie to this posting on this board , but not to reading it or to this business.

;-)))
I know his post introducing himself was as a newbie to the board. But his questions in the thread as to why should I follow you etc were baiting...

If I am out of line, won't be the first time...nor the last...

If anything, I am very consistent in my inconsistency :okthumb:

grimm

04-09-2005, 07:03 PM

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Apr 9 2005, 12:26 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Apr 9 2005, 12:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by grimm@Apr 9 2005, 12:23 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@Apr 9 2005, 12:19 PM
I am a net God.

I have earned over 15million USD Dollars in this business (Gross)

Ask me a question I know everything :)

(true or false?)

;-)))
if my brain were veal, how much would it cost?
Free Range veal or factory grown veal?

I'm sure though that it would be vealy good :) [/b][/quote]
very free range. perhaps chemically altered.

slavdogg

04-09-2005, 07:11 PM

adult is now 50% of our biz
there is no money in mainstream, go away :)

something smells in here , or yeah it smalls like 99 again

there is more money to be made in both adult and mainstream than ever b4, its like picking benjamins of the money tree. Find a tree and just water it.

sarettah

04-09-2005, 07:19 PM

Pro Zac...If you are around.

My apologies. I have reviewed a few threads and you were probably not out of line.

I had not seen anything in this particular thread, but after looking around and a quick phone call I think you probablly had every right to ask for the credentials...

Pro_Zac

04-09-2005, 07:23 PM

Originally posted by sarettah+Apr 9 2005, 02:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (sarettah @ Apr 9 2005, 02:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-JizBiz@Apr 9 2005, 05:17 PM
Wish it was always that simple. :)
Well, I probably wouldn't have said anything at all if ProZac was actually a newbie, but his statement earlier:

I should add that Ive watched Nick from waay back when Netpond was C.O.N.D.O.M and I know he is making money!

indicates he aint a newbie and that he is just baiting ya.

If he wants to play newbie, thats up to him but if he has been around long enough to remember condom (which was back in the days of stone tablet monitors) then he should have absorbed enough to make it by now through simple osmosis...

just imho of course.... [/b][/quote]

Deleted! See above

sarettah

04-09-2005, 07:26 PM

You shouldn't have deleted it dammit... :headwall:

But thats cool, I was kind of waiting till you read down the thread before I posted back...

Beers on me :okthumb:

Pro_Zac

04-09-2005, 07:45 PM

Originally posted by sarettah@Apr 9 2005, 03:27 PM
You shouldn't have deleted it dammit... :headwall:

But thats cool, I was kind of waiting till you read down the thread before I posted back...

Beers on me :okthumb:
I'm here for the long haul. So it seemed the right thing to do ;)

I'll buy the beers if you don't mind :)

JizBiz

04-09-2005, 08:31 PM

Originally posted by sarettah@Apr 9 2005, 06:20 PM
Pro Zac...If you are around.

My apologies. I have reviewed a few threads and you were probably not out of line.

I had not seen anything in this particular thread, but after looking around and a quick phone call I think you probablly had every right to ask for the credentials...
?? WTF

Please, elaborate. And tell me why he deserves credentials from me for merely offering my opinion.

And DO tell us of this phone call.

sarettah

04-09-2005, 08:34 PM

Originally posted by JizBiz@Apr 9 2005, 07:32 PM
And DO tell us of this phone call.
I called my broker. he said it was time for me to buy in.... :blink:

JizBiz

04-09-2005, 08:36 PM

Originally posted by sarettah+Apr 9 2005, 07:35 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (sarettah @ Apr 9 2005, 07:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-JizBiz@Apr 9 2005, 07:32 PM
And DO tell us of this phone call.
I called my broker. he said it was time for me to buy in.... :blink: [/b][/quote]
Ok

That may explain why my spidy senses were tingling.

:ph34r:

04-09-2005, 10:19 PM

Sarettah, i'm glad to see you pulled back on that one ....

I couldn't believe how many of you were jumping on the 'why should someone offering advice have credentials' question that pro asked that was perfectly valid .....

i don't have time to break it down right now but over half of jiz's original post is just babble that's been copied from somewhere and it was a lot of captain obvious statements that don't require experience to know ... pro was asking why he should take advice of someone who is a moderator of a board and putting his advice forward as fact when he has nothing to back it up.

After reading Jiz's post explaining why he is in a position to give advice on this subject, I can see that he isn't ...

The rule with 'everything but adult' (or mainstream as we all call it) is that anyone who is making any significant money is not going to tell you what they are doing on an adult chat board ...

I personally would not say I have had success in mainstream yet, but I have been able to use my adult business (due to the niches i do in adult) to branch into mainstream and as a result i'm making dribbles of money from different sources - nothing yet that I would consider significant but I was doing so badly in adult last year that anything growing is an improvement LOL

My approach has not been to search for areas that are making money as slavik and the other traffic guys here do who have had big $ success, but i've approached it from the content angle of using what I have to get traffic.

My long term goal has always been to have my own print magazine, so I judge my success based on achieving that goal ... which is going to happen this year.

I am loving every minute of developing it, enjoying myself again for the first time in a few years, my health is good and I'm inspired .... so i'd say i'm successful already, money is the bonus that makes it possible.

JizBiz

04-09-2005, 10:41 PM

Originally posted by cj@Apr 9 2005, 09:20 PM
i don't have time to break it down right now but over half of jiz's original post is just babble that's been copied from somewhere and it was a lot of captain obvious statements that don't require experience to know
Where are any of my statements copied from?

Please cj prove these claims.

Waiting patiently :D

gonzo

04-09-2005, 11:01 PM

Inabon please queue up "Why Cant We Be Friends?" again on Oprano radio.... it worked once today!

Nickatilynx

04-09-2005, 11:08 PM

Jiz is having a bad day... ;-)))

mojobill

04-09-2005, 11:29 PM

There is plenty of money to be made in mainstream... and if you apply some of the principles learned in adult, they WILL work in mainstream as well..... less than 10% of my income is from adult these days... mainstream has been much more interesting the last year or so....

then again.... it's just this newbie's opinion! ;-)

Nickatilynx

04-09-2005, 11:41 PM

However ...there is an old expression Jiz , that was said to me by an old Russian.

"If two of your friends say you are drunk , go home" LOL

the point people are trying to make is this...

We don't know you very well really , anmd oprano is close nit.

Bar fuckinfired no one here has a clue what you do etc.

Peoplke know I used to shave err run affiliatres , mail and generally spam fucking anything that can send traffic.

cj , has run here own sites and sites for some of the biggest "playas" in this game.

When we speak on a subject we have credentials with the people here on Opranol.

However you ever see me spouting "Pretty websites I have built to be real nice to surfers" ...trust me I'm talking out of myt ass.

And I'm sorry in this biz a lot of credentails come from monetary success.

You get lots of hiots , you make big money.

you run good affiliate proggies you make big money

you are a top flight designer , you make big money...

follow me ?

BUT ...that being said , all of us can learn something from every other person on this board.Fuclk even from pushpills!!!

;-)))

Vick

04-09-2005, 11:44 PM

Free advice is usually worth every cent you pay for it

Pro_Zac

04-10-2005, 06:00 AM

Originally posted by cj@Apr 9 2005, 06:20 PM
Sarettah, i'm glad to see you pulled back on that one ....

I couldn't believe how many of you were jumping on the 'why should someone offering advice have credentials' question that pro asked that was perfectly valid .....

i don't have time to break it down right now but over half of jiz's original post is just babble that's been copied from somewhere and it was a lot of captain obvious statements that don't require experience to know ... pro was asking why he should take advice of someone who is a moderator of a board and putting his advice forward as fact when he has nothing to back it up.

After reading Jiz's post explaining why he is in a position to give advice on this subject, I can see that he isn't ...

The rule with 'everything but adult' (or mainstream as we all call it) is that anyone who is making any significant money is not going to tell you what they are doing on an adult chat board ...

I personally would not say I have had success in mainstream yet, but I have been able to use my adult business (due to the niches i do in adult) to branch into mainstream and as a result i'm making dribbles of money from different sources - nothing yet that I would consider significant but I was doing so badly in adult last year that anything growing is an improvement LOL

My approach has not been to search for areas that are making money as slavik and the other traffic guys here do who have had big $ success, but i've approached it from the content angle of using what I have to get traffic.

My long term goal has always been to have my own print magazine, so I judge my success based on achieving that goal ... which is going to happen this year.

I am loving every minute of developing it, enjoying myself again for the first time in a few years, my health is good and I'm inspired .... so i'd say i'm successful already, money is the bonus that makes it possible.
Finally someone that can see the bigger picture :)

Jiz I simply wanted to know if the advice you're passing off as your own has worked for you, if not then why not and why are you passing on?

Hell I could go on about how my company has developed a new operating system, with a browser, email program and instant messaging system all rolled in and how it's making me billions.

Just because I know how Bill Gates does it doesn't mean I'm qualified to give any advice on it!

I've seen all the so called guru's of the net preaching this and that and if they were really that good, they'd be sitting at home not saying a word and making bank!

Hell Puppy

04-10-2005, 06:37 AM

Originally posted by cj@Apr 9 2005, 09:20 PM

The rule with 'everything but adult' (or mainstream as we all call it) is that anyone who is making any significant money is not going to tell you what they are doing on an adult chat board ...

Ding ding ding ding!

We have a winner!

CJ is dead on. No one is going to show many, if any of their mainstream cards to a bunch of pornlords.

This is an industry built on finding something that works, duplicating it as many times possible and milking every last penny out of it. No reason to educate them to opportunities you've discovered.

TheEnforcer

04-10-2005, 02:38 PM

Originally posted by SykkBoy+Apr 9 2005, 02:38 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SykkBoy @ Apr 9 2005, 02:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by TheEnforcer@Apr 9 2005, 02:32 PM
Originally posted by SykkBoy@Apr 9 2005, 02:13 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@Apr 9 2005, 02:04 PM
Nice idea sykk! :)
membership model + upsells + future offline products like kiosks and wireless internet services
it also helps that my partner in the project has been in the trucking/transport business for over 30 years and his family has been for 80 years

and this is in addition to the other project you heard a few things about but they can also be intermingled ;-)
Speaking of which.. how close are you with what we mentioned about Wisconsin?
prototypes are being built as we speak and should be ready first part of May :)
then our $$ guy writes a bigger check [/b][/quote]
Sweet!! :)

04-10-2005, 08:37 PM

Originally posted by JizBiz+Apr 9 2005, 09:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JizBiz @ Apr 9 2005, 09:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-cj@Apr 9 2005, 09:20 PM
i don't have time to break it down right now but over half of jiz's original post is just babble that's been copied from somewhere and it was a lot of captain obvious statements that don't require experience to know
Where are any of my statements copied from?

Please cj prove these claims.

Waiting patiently :D [/b][/quote]
you'll be waiting a while :rolleyes:

I didn't mean you copied text exactly, but the post wasn't based on your own ideas or information ... and the bits that were are so basic my teenage cousin doing year 10 marketing could have made that post.

its one thing putting yourself in the position to lead a group of newbies, but its another to take responsibility for their success ... you are asking people to put faith in your ideas and advice, which seems more like you fulfilling a need to be the king of the castle than to help others.

Here's my break down of your post ....

> and when stuff comes out in adult it usually takes a couple months for the mainstream guys to spin it.

bullshit. true in 1997, 1998, 1999, and maybe 2000. look at the music industry, movie industry, gambling industry, mobile phone industry, file sharing industry, blah blah. adult is one of 10 technology leaders online, not the leader anymore.

> Very few places offer PPS or even a percentage that i see as worth my time (lots of 7-10% payouts...FUCK THAT NOISE)

so you can only make money if your sponsor is paying a PPS rate?! :unsure: again, I call bullshit. 50% of a cupcake vs 7% of a 3 tier black forest cake ... blanket statements like this give newbies the wrong information and encourage them not to think for themselves. Do you understand how to look for a valuable payout, past the number advertised?

> BUT point in story...i pursued what i was after relentlessly, i didnt sidetrack to try a mgp or sidetrack to try out mailing..i focused on what i wanted as a finished product. Im still not done.

so that focus has worked well for you then? :rolleyes:

> IT IS NOT EASY, this isnt something that just happens, be prepared to bust your ass and spend more time working for yourself then you ever worked for anyone, otherwise you have allready lost the battle.

this is good advice to give, even if its not true. we don't want more newbies in this biz so anything that deters them is good :rolleyes: ... but if anyone wants the truth, working harder than you've ever worked before and busting your ass to make something happen never works. if you know what you are doing and your direction is clear, it isn't hard work ;-)

one saying is 'those who can't, teach' .... but I've heard another "We teach what we most need to learn ourselves" ... I write articles, help people and do what I do because it helps me to learn about my own path. The only advice I have to offer is my perspective from my experience ... useless to most but priceless to me.

If you feel that you are a teacher, then teach ... just don't be offended that none of us know you from moses ...

JizBiz

04-10-2005, 09:20 PM

LOL

I dont recall saying i was GOD or to take my post like it was the 10 commandments, and i didnt lie or offer up fake riches under my referal code or anything else like we see all over the boards.

I just made a post to someone askin a question with what i had to offer.

A couple people who sign up the the SAME DAY as the post , jump on me and everyone jumps on the bandwagon.

Jumping right on my back, the guy not hiding behind a fresh id. The guy who hasnt lied about his business or what he makes, The guy here to establish and bring some business to the boards, im not here for your money, im here mostly to spend it to build my business and my employers.

I thought i had the right place for this ?

And i apologize for the post, the advice or answers wont be seen from me again.

04-10-2005, 10:09 PM

I don't have a problem with you giving advice or answers, I have a problem with your 'i am god' attitude.

If you don't think you came across that way then fine ... but this shit?

>>And i apologize for the post, the advice or answers wont be seen from me again.

what next, you are taking your bat and ball and going home?!?!

waaaah.

all you were asked was to provide some info about why your advice was worth following. You were called on bullshit because that's what you posted.

if you want to throw a tantrum about it and take back your offer, that's your call ... shows a lot about the value of what you have to teach.

JizBiz

04-11-2005, 12:27 AM

Originally posted by cj@Apr 10 2005, 09:10 PM
I don't have a problem with you giving advice or answers, I have a problem with your 'i am god' attitude.

If you don't think you came across that way then fine ... but this shit?

>>And i apologize for the post, the advice or answers wont be seen from me again.

what next, you are taking your bat and ball and going home?!?!

waaaah.

all you were asked was to provide some info about why your advice was worth following. You were called on bullshit because that's what you posted.

if you want to throw a tantrum about it and take back your offer, that's your call ... shows a lot about the value of what you have to teach.

Who thinks they are god? I dont pretend to be anybody, im more then honest about who i am and what i do with everyone i deal with. There is no other way, and i know who i am.

And im having a "tantrum"...lolol

No tantrum at all, in fact if you read this thread you would see not once am i "having a tantrum." I didnt take back any offers, dont put words in my mouth. I will still answer or FIND the answer to questions posted in that forum for people looking for them, why wouldnt i?

I answer you respectfully and all you can do is swear and make false accusations that you "dont have time to explain"

Then come back to say its Captain Obvious and everyone knows that stuff.

Everyone knows it allready and its alot of Captain Obvious...then why you so insulted i said it.

I just dont see the value in getting so "worked" about something so small. Theres so much worse stuff going on in our industry to waste you time "trashing" someone for shits and giggles.

And its obviously about money to you. So i ask, and i'm serious...

When you were making enough money to pay all your bills (family of 5) put money into your own business AND still have growing savings(didnt say rich here)...

Were you a blatent bullshitter who didnt have the right to voice her opinion or answer a post on a message board?

sarettah

04-11-2005, 12:32 AM

:popcorn:

I just love when you reach the point that you realize that "yep, this one is gonna be bloody"..... :yowsa:

Anthony

04-11-2005, 12:39 AM

We do pretty well with Mainstream.

Nickatilynx

04-11-2005, 01:21 AM

jiz,

This is sorta what we had words about.

Its not a piss.

This is Oprano.

Must of us all known each other for years.

We do business together or with mutual friends.

We know each others talents.

We only know you from fuckinfired"

But In the last few days you have appointed yourself.... well .....basically "Mr.Know it all".

And when someone asks you whats yr credentiuals , what track record do you have? on what do you base this etc etc...you cop a sulk.

Seriously mate.Re-read yr posts.

gonzo

04-11-2005, 01:34 AM

"Don't sing it...bring it!" - Scott Hall.... NWO

04-11-2005, 03:37 AM

Originally posted by JizBiz@Apr 10 2005, 11:28 PM
And im having a "tantrum"...lolol

No tantrum at all, in fact if you read this thread you would see not once am i "having a tantrum." I didnt take back any offers, dont put words in my mouth. I will still answer or FIND the answer to questions posted in that forum for people looking for them, why wouldnt i?
And i apologize for the post, the advice or answers wont be seen from me again.

:unsure:

my bad, I thought we were speaking english ...

And its obviously about money to you. So i ask, and i'm serious...

When you were making enough money to pay all your bills (family of 5) put money into your own business AND still have growing savings(didnt say rich here)...

Were you a blatent bullshitter who didnt have the right to voice her opinion or answer a post on a message board?

very little is about money to me anymore ...
i've never had a family of 5 ...
i spent all my savings on shoes ...
everybody bullshits everyday ...
opinions are like assholes ...

anything else?

Pro_Zac

04-11-2005, 09:01 AM

Originally posted by JizBiz@Apr 10 2005, 05:21 PM
LOL

I dont recall saying i was GOD or to take my post like it was the 10 commandments, and i didnt lie or offer up fake riches under my referal code or anything else like we see all over the boards.

I just made a post to someone askin a question with what i had to offer.

A couple people who sign up the the SAME DAY as the post , jump on me and everyone jumps on the bandwagon.

Jumping right on my back, the guy not hiding behind a fresh id. The guy who hasnt lied about his business or what he makes, The guy here to establish and bring some business to the boards, im not here for your money, im here mostly to spend it to build my business and my employers.

I thought i had the right place for this ?

And i apologize for the post, the advice or answers wont be seen from me again.
So because it was my first day posting here that makes me unqualified to see bullshit when its right in front of me?

Or should I have just slipped into a "hey thanks for the advice dude" role instead?

How long I've been a member has nothing to do with my questions and I saw no other people jumping on a bandwagon and backing me up, quite the opposite in fact! Most told me to mind my own fucking business and take or leave the advice!

An opinion has been formed and it's not a good one!