Traffic Whales Pt2

[Nickatilynx]

Would you agree that whales come from distinct areas...
( lets say for argument a real whale sends 50 joins per day sustained.)


1.) Mail Whales
Which affiliate programs still accept non can spam compliant mail.
ahsahahahahahaah , answer = sush , Nick we all do ,but we have to so it covertly.

2.) Domain Whales

3.) SE Whales.


???

Any others

[Anthony]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Mar 2 2005, 12:18 PM
Would you agree that whales come from distinct areas...
( lets say for argument a real whale sends 50 joins per day sustained.)


1.) Mail Whales
Which affiliate programs still accept non can spam compliant mail.
ahsahahahahahaah , answer = sush , Nick we all do ,but we have to so it covertly.

2.) Domain Whales

3.) SE Whales.


???

Any others
I only deal with one kinda whale. Though the SE whales are starting to take off a bit here and there.

[pushpills]

4.) tgp whales

5.) "other" spam whales (aim spam, chat spam, message board spam, etc can all add up....but can all get you in trouble)

[Peaches]

Personally, 90% of my "whales" are SE traffic.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by pushpills@Mar 2 2005, 12:22 PM
4.) tgp whales

5.) "other" spam whales (aim spam, chat spam, message board spam, etc can all add up....but can all get you in trouble)
TGP whales?

You mean owners?

And nice one on the aim etc...missed that.


Ant,

IMHO SEs are the way forward. :)

[pushpills]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Mar 2 2005, 02:28 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Mar 2 2005, 02:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-pushpills@Mar 2 2005, 12:22 PM
4.) tgp whales

5.) "other" spam whales (aim spam, chat spam, message board spam, etc can all add up....but can all get you in trouble)
TGP whales?

You mean owners? [/b][/quote]
Yea I'd say owners. (in this day and age)

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Peaches@Mar 2 2005, 12:26 PM
Personally, 90% of my "whales" are SE traffic.
Then if I may be so bold....


Why don't you check there listings and buy there slots direct?

Surely thats how its got to go?

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by pushpills+Mar 2 2005, 12:29 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (pushpills @ Mar 2 2005, 12:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Mar 2 2005, 02:28 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-pushpills@Mar 2 2005, 12:22 PM
4.) tgp whales

5.) "other" spam whales (aim spam, chat spam, message board spam, etc can all add up....but can all get you in trouble)
TGP whales?

You mean owners?
Yea I'd say owners. (in this day and age) [/b][/quote]
I'd agree.

If someone can do 50sales a day (sustained) from TGP submitting , hell I'd be impressed.

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Mar 2 2005, 04:29 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Mar 2 2005, 04:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Peaches@Mar 2 2005, 12:26 PM
Personally, 90% of my "whales" are SE traffic.
Then if I may be so bold....


Why don't you check there listings and buy there slots direct?

Surely thats how its got to go? [/b][/quote]
For the same reason they don't open their own affiliate programs and send their traffic to themselves :awinky: You stick with what you know best.

It's a good relationship as it is - we all make money. :)

[Forest]

Originally posted by Peaches@Mar 2 2005, 03:26 PM
Personally, 90% of my "whales" are SE traffic.
90% of mine are mailers

I got one guy doing better then 1:90 on intl traffic right now
1:143 with US traffic

I think sexmoney probably does about 1k a day over all our offices

[DrGuile]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Mar 2 2005, 03:29 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Mar 2 2005, 03:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Peaches@Mar 2 2005, 12:26 PM
Personally, 90% of my "whales" are SE traffic.
Then if I may be so bold....


Why don't you check there listings and buy there slots direct?

Surely thats how its got to go? [/b][/quote]
They get them for free....


SE whales are usually not in paid rankings, they're in actual rankings....

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Peaches+Mar 2 2005, 12:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Mar 2 2005, 12:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Mar 2 2005, 04:29 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Peaches@Mar 2 2005, 12:26 PM
Personally, 90% of my "whales" are SE traffic.
Then if I may be so bold....


Why don't you check there listings and buy there slots direct?

Surely thats how its got to go?
For the same reason they don't open their own affiliate programs and send their traffic to themselves :awinky: You stick with what you know best.

It's a good relationship as it is - we all make money. :) [/b][/quote]
Thats a receipe for stagnation and obsolence , surely?

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by DrGuile+Mar 2 2005, 12:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DrGuile @ Mar 2 2005, 12:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Mar 2 2005, 03:29 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Peaches@Mar 2 2005, 12:26 PM
Personally, 90% of my "whales" are SE traffic.
Then if I may be so bold....


Why don't you check there listings and buy there slots direct?

Surely thats how its got to go?
They get them for free....


SE whales are usually not in paid rankings, they're in actual rankings.... [/b][/quote]
Correct...

They get them for free.

But you pay them.

Why not just check which keywords kickass , and buy them LOL

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Mar 2 2005, 04:41 PM
Thats a receipe for stagnation and obsolence , surely?
It seems to be working :)

Note these are MY whales. WEG and G3X also has a lot of big affiliates sending traffic via mailers and of course from exits on other large sites. Both of these things we do also - sending to our sites and to other programs.

Might we someday do SE work ourselves? Possibly. Will we go in and copy keywords and screw over our own affiliates in order to do it? No. Money isn't everything. We have good relationships with these people and don't want to hurt that.

[Nickatilynx]

Ok...so how does a US company still accept mail?

[pushpills]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Mar 2 2005, 03:00 PM
Ok...so how does a US company still accept mail?
turning over the spammers after the company gets too much heat, and still keeping the profits would be one popular way.

[Peaches]

We don't let just anyone mail for us. They must be well known to us, be CAN SPAM compliant and double opt in. If we get compaints, you're told to stop mailing. If you continue, your account is terminated.

[Anthony]

Originally posted by pushpills+Mar 2 2005, 01:09 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (pushpills @ Mar 2 2005, 01:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@Mar 2 2005, 03:00 PM
Ok...so how does a US company still accept mail?
turning over the spammers after the company gets too much heat, and still keeping the profits would be one popular way. [/b][/quote]
I think it ironic you said this with that picture as your avatar.

[pushpills]

Originally posted by Anthony+Mar 2 2005, 03:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Anthony @ Mar 2 2005, 03:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by pushpills@Mar 2 2005, 01:09 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@Mar 2 2005, 03:00 PM
Ok...so how does a US company still accept mail?
turning over the spammers after the company gets too much heat, and still keeping the profits would be one popular way.
I think it ironic you said this with that picture as your avatar. [/b][/quote]
Heh. I may have to change it, looking at that thing is startin to creep me out now.

[Phoenix]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Mar 2 2005, 01:00 PM
Ok...so how does a US company still accept mail?
any us entity taking mail is crazy

even if they have part of their company offshore, ive seen some setups which will surely spell disaster eventually

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Phoenix+Mar 2 2005, 02:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Phoenix @ Mar 2 2005, 02:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@Mar 2 2005, 01:00 PM
Ok...so how does a US company still accept mail?
any us entity taking mail is crazy

even if they have part of their company offshore, ive seen some setups which will surely spell disaster eventually [/b][/quote]
I agree , 100%

[*KK*]

Actually when it comes to tgp whales, it's not always the owners. I know a pair of kids that were both ARS and Maxcash's largest affiliate concurrently, who were buying Hun listings and making their own galleries. This went on for quite some time. Spending a couple grand a day to get listed and bringing in much much more than than as a return.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by *KK*@Mar 2 2005, 03:32 PM
Actually when it comes to tgp whales, it's not always the owners. I know a pair of kids that were both ARS and Maxcash's largest affiliate concurrently, who were buying Hun listings and making their own galleries. This went on for quite some time. Spending a couple grand a day to get listed and bringing in much much more than than as a return.
So...

"The Hun" could have told them to fuck off and just tweaked some galleries of his own and put them up himself , cuttinmg out the middle man?

[*KK*]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Mar 2 2005, 03:35 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Mar 2 2005, 03:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-*KK*@Mar 2 2005, 03:32 PM
Actually when it comes to tgp whales, it's not always the owners. I know a pair of kids that were both ARS and Maxcash's largest affiliate concurrently, who were buying Hun listings and making their own galleries. This went on for quite some time. Spending a couple grand a day to get listed and bringing in much much more than than as a return.
So...

"The Hun" could have told them to fuck off and just tweaked some galleries of his own and put them up himself , cuttinmg out the middle man? [/b][/quote]
No. The Hun doesn't do galleries of his own. The spots are all pre-paid through Cybercat. Patrick's philosophy is that he'd rather have guaranteed money in hand and pay his broker a healthy commission on it than take a chance on actually having to convert some traffic in order to get paid.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by *KK*+Mar 2 2005, 03:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (*KK* @ Mar 2 2005, 03:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Mar 2 2005, 03:35 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-*KK*@Mar 2 2005, 03:32 PM
Actually when it comes to tgp whales, it's not always the owners. I know a pair of kids that were both ARS and Maxcash's largest affiliate concurrently, who were buying Hun listings and making their own galleries. This went on for quite some time. Spending a couple grand a day to get listed and bringing in much much more than than as a return.
So...

"The Hun" could have told them to fuck off and just tweaked some galleries of his own and put them up himself , cuttinmg out the middle man?
No. The Hun doesn't do galleries of his own. The spots are all pre-paid through Cybercat. Patrick's philosophy is that he'd rather have guaranteed money in hand and pay his broker a healthy commission on it than take a chance on actually having to convert some traffic in order to get paid. [/b][/quote]
So he willingly uses a "middle man"...

What I am saying is "of course everyone does"

but what if....

[*KK*]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Mar 2 2005, 03:43 PM
So he willingly uses a "middle man"...

What I am saying is "of course everyone does"

but what if....
Haha, he's a socialist of sorts, but he likes his cars.

[nickdark]

Firtsly meaningful "free" SE traffic aint free no more!

There is as much to creating good SE spam as there is to mailing from what I hear..without the jail sentences and fines though !

You certainly couldnt just copy keywords etc or sites and expect to rank anywhere..even thorough reverse engineering of a site or network would not necessarily help..there are many things to consider..and then every engine is different too..it gets harder and more expensive every day..

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by nickdark@Mar 2 2005, 05:02 PM
Firtsly meaningful "free" SE traffic aint free no more!

There is as much to creating good SE spam as there is to mailing from what I hear..without the jail sentences and fines though !

You certainly couldnt just copy keywords etc or sites and expect to rank anywhere..even thorough reverse engineering of a site or network would not necessarily help..there are many things to consider..and then every engine is different too..it gets harder and more expensive every day..

I spot a whale!!!! Thar she blows!!!

;-))

Rare it be that a whale be surfacing to post , .. ;-))



Exactly...ex- fucking -actly!!!

I know blasting 100m a day emails don't work.I also know what does. :)
Takes work and money... :)

And I am slowly learning SEs ( really slowly)....hence my little bit of a fuck it mood ;-))

[brand0n]

cross sales, console sales, other companys upsales, those whales. other company traffic whale.

[Biggy]

"4) TGP Whales"

they're out there, but they arent known, and their is not a lot of them. they all work hard for their money :)

to give you an example, i was hit up buy a guy just yesterday who sends out 80 sales a day, or so he says :)