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grimm

02-26-2005, 07:32 PM

Nickatilynx

02-26-2005, 07:34 PM

Originally posted by Rolo+Feb 26 2005, 04:21 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Rolo @ Feb 26 2005, 04:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@Feb 26 2005, 04:02 PM
Why all this talk....

I think paysites will soon behave like Vegas Casinos and do more and more to lure whales to there programs.

If they don't , maybe they should be :)
Every affiliate program owner wants to own a board, and every board owner wants to own a affiliate program.

I guess its true about the grass always being greener :awinky: [/b][/quote]
Interesting comments...

In my web career , I have owned a the biggest board at the time (Netpond) , the biggest Click Broker at the time (Traffic Inc) and have been Traffic Whale by even Slaviks standards...

The best thing is being a Traffic Whale no doubt :)

Owning a big board.....very political , occupy a lot of time , but great networking place , learn new ideas etc etc and tricks.
Easy place to also piss some people off , and also a great place to launch your own other more $$$ shit.....eventually :)

Affiliates.....well it makes a lot of money , but very very hard these days..

Traffic Whale...thats the fun bit. Its like being Speilberg.
You make loads of money , relatively anon. :)
All the "playas" know who you are ,well the ones that matter , but you can drive the streets in your Porsche claiming to be an "Internet Consultant" in peace ;-))

If being a paid poster is being a board whore...owning one is being a pimp :)

slavdogg

02-26-2005, 07:47 PM

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Feb 26 2005, 07:35 PM
In my web career , I have owned a the biggest board at the time (Netpond) , the biggest Click Broker at the time (Traffic Inc) and have been Traffic Whale by even Slaviks standards...

The best thing is being a Traffic Whale no doubt :)
back in my day a dime bag cost a dime :D

slavdogg

02-26-2005, 07:47 PM

Originally posted by grimm@Feb 26 2005, 07:33 PM
its greener over here, for sure. i definitely dont want to own a paysite or an adult board.

and besides the grass may be greener, but id still pay the neighbor kid to cut it:)
:pearl:

02-26-2005, 08:45 PM

I wouldn't call 10 a day a whale, but 10 a day webmasters are certainly higher up the ranks than they were a while ago ...

And slavik, where did you get the info that 50 a day doesn't even put you in the top 5? I would have assumed there weren't many programs left with 5 webmasters doing more than 50 a day ... just because the cream is spread so thin between so many webmasters/programs these days ...

Our biggest SH webmaster did 300 a day ... we had around 10 who did between 150 and 200 a day ... but you never tell your biggest webmaster they are your biggest :rolleyes: :biglaugh:

Nickatilynx

02-26-2005, 08:51 PM

Originally posted by cj@Feb 26 2005, 05:46 PM
I wouldn't call 10 a day a whale, but 10 a day webmasters are certainly higher up the ranks than they were a while ago ...

And slavik, where did you get the info that 50 a day doesn't even put you in the top 5? I would have assumed there weren't many programs left with 5 webmasters doing more than 50 a day ... just because the cream is spread so thin between so many webmasters/programs these days ...

Our biggest SH webmaster did 300 a day ... we had around 10 who did between 150 and 200 a day ... but you never tell your biggest webmaster they are your biggest :rolleyes: :biglaugh:
Good post .

300???

Betcha it only showed 100!!!!

ahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

;-)))

JoesHO

02-26-2005, 11:12 PM

My tweo cents is I would take all the 10 joins a day people I can muster, and be damn glad to have them.

of course I would like bigger whales too, however they always seem to have who they are gonna send trafic to picked out already

and no matter what you do to get them to look at you or talk to you, they always gfeel you are a newbie and not worth their time, cause all the " big established players" are chasing them so why do they need to talk to you ?
and smaller programs seem not to be able to compete for the limited whales

so my thought is give me a net full of regular fish so we can grow together, ( as they make money from my program, then they can utilize the cash flow to build their capabilites as well ( hence become my own whale instead of someone elses whale)

connections in this business do not always need to be with big guys, if you can get smart guys that are coming up ( pet the mean dogs when they are puppies) they will enevitably be closer to you than to the guys that shunned them and tried to keep them down is my thoughts.

I know guys that talk down to me, will never be the guys I look to to do business with... I would assume it is that way for most of us .

pushpills

02-26-2005, 11:31 PM

Most progams seem to get the fact that there's more competition out there and they need to treat their webmasters well. Someone sending 3 sales a day...if the program is making say 30 bucks off each sale, thats 90 a day..just under 33 grand a year profit for the program owners...so taking the time to give them support, custom ads, or to "go after" someone just to get a couple sales a day is time well spent. If you go over the top and have some custom ads done or some programming done for a webmaster, and it puts 100k in your bank account over the course of a year or two...that's time and money well spent.

Some of the big programs just dont have the management giving a shit about the longterm $ from smaller webmasters....and thats something they heads of the company needs to really drill into the support peoples head. For example clickcash....they don't even answer the phone or return my calls and I do around $10k/mo with em.

Peaches

02-27-2005, 12:45 AM

Originally posted by pushpills@Feb 27 2005, 12:32 AM
For example clickcash....they don't even answer the phone or return my calls and I do around $10k/mo with em.
You should send that traffic to someone you know loves you. :awinky:

Sabby

02-27-2005, 02:01 AM

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Feb 26 2005, 06:44 PM
Surely this can't be true????

I have read/been told/ or heard by paysite owners that 10 joins a day makes you a whale???

Is this a sign of the times???
Hmmmm...

I dunno...

I went back to selling my ass...

But... I could prolly still get more than 10 joins a day if "someone" gave me just a wee tiny little traffic feed :)

Sabby:)

Sabby

02-27-2005, 02:06 AM

Originally posted by Peaches+Feb 27 2005, 12:46 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Feb 27 2005, 12:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-pushpills@Feb 27 2005, 12:32 AM
For example clickcash....they don't even answer the phone or return my calls and I do around $10k/mo with em.
You should send that traffic to someone you know loves you. :awinky: [/b][/quote]
I used to make $30k /month with them... with almost no trafffic...

Then you fuckers saturated them.. who can make a fucking sale with them now???

Sabby:)

pushpills

02-27-2005, 06:18 AM

Originally posted by Peaches+Feb 26 2005, 11:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Feb 26 2005, 11:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-pushpills@Feb 27 2005, 12:32 AM
For example clickcash....they don't even answer the phone or return my calls and I do around $10k/mo with em.
You should send that traffic to someone you know loves you. :awinky: [/b][/quote]
Can't send to that g3x crap till you guys change the join page. :matey:

pushpills

02-27-2005, 06:19 AM

Originally posted by Sabby+Feb 27 2005, 01:07 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Sabby @ Feb 27 2005, 01:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Peaches@Feb 27 2005, 12:46 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-pushpills@Feb 27 2005, 12:32 AM
For example clickcash....they don't even answer the phone or return my calls and I do around $10k/mo with em.
You should send that traffic to someone you know loves you. :awinky:

who can make a fucking sale with them now???

Sabby:) [/b][/quote]
<---------------------- :P

Peaches

02-27-2005, 10:54 AM

Originally posted by pushpills+Feb 27 2005, 07:19 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (pushpills @ Feb 27 2005, 07:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Peaches@Feb 26 2005, 11:46 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-pushpills@Feb 27 2005, 12:32 AM
For example clickcash....they don't even answer the phone or return my calls and I do around $10k/mo with em.
You should send that traffic to someone you know loves you. :awinky:
Can't send to that g3x crap till you guys change the join page. :matey: [/b][/quote]
Our conversions are too good - if it ain't broke, don't fix it :awinky:

WEG is still around for you send traffic to, ya know! :)

Phoenix

02-27-2005, 11:16 AM

i want to get a big harpoon and bring all the whales in.

Nickatilynx

02-27-2005, 11:49 AM

Originally posted by Phoenix@Feb 27 2005, 08:17 AM
i want to get a big harpoon and bring all the whales in.
SAVE THE WHALE!!!

Red

02-28-2005, 04:17 PM

Geez, before I read this I was all happy with my 10 sale a day affiliates. Especially since yesterday one brought in 11 sales just from one gallery listing. Now I'm all depressed.

Though I agree with Joe in that a lot of little sales add up and I'm very happy for the affiliates I have, but I would love to have a heavy hitter or two in the mix.

slavdogg

02-28-2005, 08:07 PM

Originally posted by Red@Feb 28 2005, 04:18 PM
but I would love to have a heavy hitter or two in the mix.
its a double edged sword with having one or 2 big hitters.
a big hitter can kill your whole program by simply pulling all their traffic away thus sending your CBs sky high.

you never want a single affiliate to account for more than 15% of your biz

but if you do catch a big hitter, you better take good care of him.

02-28-2005, 08:15 PM

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Feb 26 2005, 08:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Feb 26 2005, 08:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-cj@Feb 26 2005, 05:46 PM
I wouldn't call 10 a day a whale, but 10 a day webmasters are certainly higher up the ranks than they were a while ago ...

And slavik, where did you get the info that 50 a day doesn't even put you in the top 5? I would have assumed there weren't many programs left with 5 webmasters doing more than 50 a day ... just because the cream is spread so thin between so many webmasters/programs these days ...

Our biggest SH webmaster did 300 a day ... we had around 10 who did between 150 and 200 a day ... but you never tell your biggest webmaster they are your biggest :rolleyes: :biglaugh:
Good post .

300???

Betcha it only showed 100!!!!

ahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

;-))) [/b][/quote]
we didn't have to shave ...
that was what all the pre ticked tick boxes were for :ph34r:

Red

02-28-2005, 08:34 PM

Originally posted by slavdogg@Feb 28 2005, 05:08 PM

but if you do catch a big hitter, you better take good care of him.
Would blow jobs and orgy invitations work? :biglaugh:

02-28-2005, 08:52 PM

Originally posted by pushpills@Feb 26 2005, 11:32 PM
Most progams seem to get the fact that there's more competition out there and they need to treat their webmasters well. Someone sending 3 sales a day...if the program is making say 30 bucks off each sale, thats 90 a day..just under 33 grand a year profit for the program owners...so taking the time to give them support, custom ads, or to "go after" someone just to get a couple sales a day is time well spent. If you go over the top and have some custom ads done or some programming done for a webmaster, and it puts 100k in your bank account over the course of a year or two...that's time and money well spent.
you used the numbers 3 sales a day as your example so I'll use the same ...

you said 3 sales a day = $90 for the program a day which is $33k profit a year.

where do you get the idea that 3 sales equals $90 profit? profit is how much the program makes after everything is paid, not how much is billed to the customer ... If an affiliate is paid 50%, that's $45 income per day for the program (assuming that all 3 signups even spend $30, which is extremely unlikely).

From that $45 comes cost of content, hosting etc, so the program owner may be left with $20 ... $10 ... $5 ...

then if there's a chargeback or a refund, the program owner is out of pocket the $30 ...

The lack of understanding between affiliates and affiliate programs causes so many issues ... how can the 2 sides of the business work in partnership if an affiliate thinks his 3 sales makes the program $90? I'm not saying you should know every detail about the business model but understanding how your sponsor makes their profit goes a long way to helping the relationship along ...

Some of the big programs just dont have the management giving a shit about the longterm $ from smaller webmasters....and thats something they heads of the company needs to really drill into the support peoples head.

There is a reason for this in most cases ... the longterm $ aren't what you think they are, and are usually short term headaches ... In the case of clickcash, if you do $10k a month in business with them (or ANY consistent amount) they should show you the courtesy of treating you better than it sounds like they are, but many affiilates - and you definately fit this description - think the program will fall over without them & try to throw their weight around accordingly ...

you mentioned how much competition there is these days, and its not just in programs - there's competition in affiliates too. If you don't send me your traffic, there's 10 webmasters doing exactly what you are doing who might send me their traffic ...

There's several ways to approach having an affiliate program, some go for saturation and try to get every single webmaster - which guarantees volume, but your webmasters are competiting against each other & affiliate support is a nightmare - the affiliate thinks its your fault that another webmaster took their SE spot or whatever. There's only so many spots in search engines for the key terms that relate to a sponsors site (especially in niches) ...

mailers are a good example too - if you have 10 mailers each with a 10 million list, that's 100 million emails ... according to this http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats.htm there are only 800 million people online ... probably half of which don't speak english, even more who we don't have billing methods for etc ... eventually your webmasters are just mailing/promoting over the top of each other.

With all that said, 5 - 10 a day webmasters are my favorite group to work with ... they have enough volume that it is a profitable relationship for both parties, and are usually easier to work with ... & won't ruin your program if they lose their SE spots or leave the program.

punkerbarbie

03-01-2005, 03:33 PM

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Feb 26 2005, 03:44 PM
Surely this can't be true????

I have read/been told/ or heard by paysite owners that 10 joins a day makes you a whale???

Is this a sign of the times???
not shir about 10 being a whale, but ppl over look the smaller guys who send 2 -3 joins a day.... If one has a group of 25 webmasters/affiliates sending 2 joins a day that = 50 a day...Within time and getting more and more affiliates that # keeps going up. I normaly tend to keep my eye out for the smaller guys and create good relationships with them, that way as they build more traffic so do I. You never know when one of those smaller guys will all of sudden be sending you 100+ a day. I know, it happend to me ;)

Almighty Colin

03-01-2005, 03:36 PM

Originally posted by punkerbarbie+Mar 1 2005, 03:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (punkerbarbie @ Mar 1 2005, 03:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@Feb 26 2005, 03:44 PM
Surely this can't be true????

I have read/been told/ or heard by paysite owners that 10 joins a day makes you a whale???

Is this a sign of the times???
not shir about 10 being a whale, but ppl over look the smaller guys who send 2 -3 joins a day.... If one has a group of 25 webmasters/affiliates sending 2 joins a day that = 50 a day...Within time and getting more and more affiliates that # keeps going up. I normaly tend to keep my eye out for the smaller guys and create good relationships with them, that way as they build more traffic so do I. You never know when one of those smaller guys will all of sudden be sending you 100+ a day. I know, it happend to me ;) [/b][/quote]
I am one who believes it is really worth the time to work for the smaller affiliates.

Almighty Colin

03-02-2005, 04:36 AM

10 is a dolphin.

gonzo

03-02-2005, 06:53 AM

This is a damn good thread.

Lisa

03-02-2005, 07:14 AM

Originally posted by gonzo@Mar 2 2005, 09:54 PM
This is a damn good thread.
Noted. :awinky:

DrGuile

03-02-2005, 10:53 AM

Originally posted by Almighty Colin@Mar 1 2005, 03:37 PM

I am one who believes it is really worth the time to work for the smaller affiliates.
Couldnt agree more. Why not work with everybody?

dokk

03-02-2005, 11:03 AM

I had a traffic minnow.
It died in about 3 days.

:blink:

punkerbarbie

03-02-2005, 03:12 PM

Originally posted by gonzo@Mar 2 2005, 03:54 AM
This is a damn good thread.
agreed.

Anthony

03-02-2005, 03:17 PM

I agree on taking care of the little guys as much as bending over backwards for our whales. Our mainstream program have guys sending in over 300 sales a day. We give them pretty much whatever they want, but I also try to accomadate those who send 10 or less.

You never know when the guy who sends 5 a day this month, gets good at his traffic and sends 100 a day the next.

Nickatilynx

03-02-2005, 03:24 PM

Originally posted by Red@Feb 28 2005, 01:18 PM
Geez, before I read this I was all happy with my 10 sale a day affiliates. Especially since yesterday one brought in 11 sales just from one gallery listing. Now I'm all depressed.

Though I agree with Joe in that a lot of little sales add up and I'm very happy for the affiliates I have, but I would love to have a heavy hitter or two in the mix.

hang on...

ummmmm sorry Red...but if you throw them up , I'll smack them down.

This is after all Oprano.

The no spin zone.

Red , your prize winner sent 112 joins in yr contest time period , which was 30 days , I believe.

""""February 28, 2005 We've Got A Winner!!! Congratulation to Phil from BHE with 112 signups during the contest period. Your new IPOD is on the way"""""

I make it that yr top affiliate averages 3- 4 sales a day...not 10 ;-)

But I really want to get you working for me when I open next mth , cause if you can get people to send traffic to sites like yours with more traffic links than an open index , whatever they are paying you, it is not enough ;-)))

Nickatilynx

03-02-2005, 03:25 PM

Originally posted by Anthony@Mar 2 2005, 12:18 PM
I agree on taking care of the little guys as much as bending over backwards for our whales. Our mainstream program have guys sending in over 300 sales a day. We give them pretty much whatever they want, but I also try to accomadate those who send 10 or less.

You never know when the guy who sends 5 a day this month, gets good at his traffic and sends 100 a day the next.

Amen to that. :)

Gotta say ,Anthony and his peolple take good care of me whilst I experiment with traffic and really do bend over backwards for my crazy ideas and needs.

And I don't think its just cause we are family , I think they'd do it for everyone.

Loads of others in the same game are not so accomodating....so when it works , guess where its going? :)

Red

03-02-2005, 04:53 PM

Nick,
OK, I should have said 10 sales a day affiliate and not affiliates. The morning I saw this post one of my webmasters had already had 10 sales and I was elated thinking it was terrific until I started reading the thread. I admit, that was my only 10+ sale for one day. I just didn't want everyone else to know that. *hanging my head in shame*

As it turns out, he ended up with a lot more than 10 sales that day, his sales were on
Valerie Exposed (http://www.valerieexposed.com/afentry.asp) which does not have a ton of leaks.

But you're right, I shouldn't have exaggerated, I'll just be happy with my couple of sales a day webmasters and shut up.

Nickatilynx

03-02-2005, 05:33 PM

Originally posted by Red@Mar 2 2005, 01:54 PM
Nick,
OK, I should have said 10 sales a day affiliate and not affiliates. The morning I saw this post one of my webmasters had already had 10 sales and I was elated thinking it was terrific until I started reading the thread. I admit, that was my only 10+ sale for one day. I just didn't want everyone else to know that. *hanging my head in shame*

As it turns out, he ended up with a lot more than 10 sales that day, his sales were on
Valerie Exposed (http://www.valerieexposed.com/afentry.asp) which does not have a ton of leaks.

But you're right, I shouldn't have exaggerated, I'll just be happy with my couple of sales a day webmasters and shut up.
geez...juist giving in like that is no fun!!!!!

;-)

Serge/Ron , hell even myself made money by doing this:

Red - Fuck you Nick!! You fat fuck , its calculated on a special logarithym
Nick - What a special shave algorithme?
Red - Well at least I pay webmasters Nick , not like you..

Etc , etc, etc :)

;-)))

Red

03-02-2005, 05:51 PM

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Mar 2 2005, 02:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Mar 2 2005, 02:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Red@Mar 2 2005, 01:54 PM
Nick,
OK, I should have said 10 sales a day affiliate and not affiliates. The morning I saw this post one of my webmasters had already had 10 sales and I was elated thinking it was terrific until I started reading the thread. I admit, that was my only 10+ sale for one day. I just didn't want everyone else to know that. *hanging my head in shame*

As it turns out, he ended up with a lot more than 10 sales that day, his sales were on
Valerie Exposed (http://www.valerieexposed.com/afentry.asp) which does not have a ton of leaks.

But you're right, I shouldn't have exaggerated, I'll just be happy with my couple of sales a day webmasters and shut up.
geez...juist giving in like that is no fun!!!!!

;-)

Serge/Ron , hell even myself made money by doing this:

Red - Fuck you Nick!! You fat fuck , its calculated on a special logarithym
Nick - What a special shave algorithme?
Red - Well at least I pay webmasters Nick , not like you..

Etc , etc, etc :)

;-))) [/b][/quote]
well I didn't know I was allowed to use the old algorithm ruse. I'll have to remember that for next time.

My problem is I can't fight if I know I'm wrong. I'm not good at lying and if I do try to beef things up a bit, and get called on it, the Jewish guilt that was instilled in me prenatally takes over and compells me to admit the truth.

Am I too nauseatingly honest for this business?

Nickatilynx

03-02-2005, 05:55 PM

Originally posted by Red+Mar 2 2005, 02:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Red @ Mar 2 2005, 02:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Mar 2 2005, 02:34 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Red@Mar 2 2005, 01:54 PM
Nick,
OK, I should have said 10 sales a day affiliate and not affiliates. The morning I saw this post one of my webmasters had already had 10 sales and I was elated thinking it was terrific until I started reading the thread. I admit, that was my only 10+ sale for one day. I just didn't want everyone else to know that. *hanging my head in shame*

As it turns out, he ended up with a lot more than 10 sales that day, his sales were on
Valerie Exposed (http://www.valerieexposed.com/afentry.asp) which does not have a ton of leaks.

But you're right, I shouldn't have exaggerated, I'll just be happy with my couple of sales a day webmasters and shut up.
geez...juist giving in like that is no fun!!!!!

;-)

Serge/Ron , hell even myself made money by doing this:

Red - Fuck you Nick!! You fat fuck , its calculated on a special logarithym
Nick - What a special shave algorithme?
Red - Well at least I pay webmasters Nick , not like you..

Etc , etc, etc :)

;-)))
well I didn't know I was allowed to use the old algorithm ruse. I'll have to remember that for next time.

My problem is I can't fight if I know I'm wrong. I'm not good at lying and if I do try to beef things up a bit, and get called on it, the Jewish guilt that was instilled in me prenatally takes over and compells me to admit the truth.

Am I too nauseatingly honest for this business? [/b][/quote]
Yes and .....err NO!!! ;-)

Real honesty in this business is a total handicap.

Faked honesty however....

;-)))

Red

03-02-2005, 06:02 PM

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Mar 2 2005, 02:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Mar 2 2005, 02:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Red@Mar 2 2005, 02:52 PM
Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Mar 2 2005, 02:34 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Red@Mar 2 2005, 01:54 PM
Nick,
OK, I should have said 10 sales a day affiliate and not affiliates. The morning I saw this post one of my webmasters had already had 10 sales and I was elated thinking it was terrific until I started reading the thread. I admit, that was my only 10+ sale for one day. I just didn't want everyone else to know that. *hanging my head in shame*

As it turns out, he ended up with a lot more than 10 sales that day, his sales were on
Valerie Exposed (http://www.valerieexposed.com/afentry.asp) which does not have a ton of leaks.

But you're right, I shouldn't have exaggerated, I'll just be happy with my couple of sales a day webmasters and shut up.
geez...juist giving in like that is no fun!!!!!

;-)

Serge/Ron , hell even myself made money by doing this:

Red - Fuck you Nick!! You fat fuck , its calculated on a special logarithym
Nick - What a special shave algorithme?
Red - Well at least I pay webmasters Nick , not like you..

Etc , etc, etc :)

;-)))
well I didn't know I was allowed to use the old algorithm ruse. I'll have to remember that for next time.

My problem is I can't fight if I know I'm wrong. I'm not good at lying and if I do try to beef things up a bit, and get called on it, the Jewish guilt that was instilled in me prenatally takes over and compells me to admit the truth.

Am I too nauseatingly honest for this business?
Yes and .....err NO!!! ;-)

Real honesty in this business is a total handicap.

Faked honesty however....

;-))) [/b][/quote]
I'll see if I can work on that. ;-)

Nickatilynx

03-02-2005, 06:07 PM

Originally posted by Red+Mar 2 2005, 03:03 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Red @ Mar 2 2005, 03:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Mar 2 2005, 02:56 PM
Originally posted by Red@Mar 2 2005, 02:52 PM
Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Mar 2 2005, 02:34 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Red@Mar 2 2005, 01:54 PM
Nick,
OK, I should have said 10 sales a day affiliate and not affiliates. The morning I saw this post one of my webmasters had already had 10 sales and I was elated thinking it was terrific until I started reading the thread. I admit, that was my only 10+ sale for one day. I just didn't want everyone else to know that. *hanging my head in shame*

As it turns out, he ended up with a lot more than 10 sales that day, his sales were on
Valerie Exposed (http://www.valerieexposed.com/afentry.asp) which does not have a ton of leaks.

But you're right, I shouldn't have exaggerated, I'll just be happy with my couple of sales a day webmasters and shut up.
geez...juist giving in like that is no fun!!!!!

;-)

Serge/Ron , hell even myself made money by doing this:

Red - Fuck you Nick!! You fat fuck , its calculated on a special logarithym
Nick - What a special shave algorithme?
Red - Well at least I pay webmasters Nick , not like you..

Etc , etc, etc :)

;-)))
well I didn't know I was allowed to use the old algorithm ruse. I'll have to remember that for next time.

My problem is I can't fight if I know I'm wrong. I'm not good at lying and if I do try to beef things up a bit, and get called on it, the Jewish guilt that was instilled in me prenatally takes over and compells me to admit the truth.

Am I too nauseatingly honest for this business?
Yes and .....err NO!!! ;-)

Real honesty in this business is a total handicap.

Faked honesty however....

;-)))
I'll see if I can work on that. ;-) [/b][/quote]
As I said...

The fact that you have affiliates , makes you a genius at something. ;-))

:wnw:

RickJ

03-09-2005, 12:04 PM

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Mar 2 2005, 12:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Mar 2 2005, 12:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Red@Feb 28 2005, 01:18 PM
Geez, before I read this I was all happy with my 10 sale a day affiliates. Especially since yesterday one brought in 11 sales just from one gallery listing. Now I'm all depressed.

Though I agree with Joe in that a lot of little sales add up and I'm very happy for the affiliates I have, but I would love to have a heavy hitter or two in the mix.

hang on...

ummmmm sorry Red...but if you throw them up , I'll smack them down.

This is after all Oprano.

The no spin zone.

Red , your prize winner sent 112 joins in yr contest time period , which was 30 days , I believe.

""""February 28, 2005 We've Got A Winner!!! Congratulation to Phil from BHE with 112 signups during the contest period. Your new IPOD is on the way"""""

I make it that yr top affiliate averages 3- 4 sales a day...not 10 ;-)

But I really want to get you working for me when I open next mth , cause if you can get people to send traffic to sites like yours with more traffic links than an open index , whatever they are paying you, it is not enough ;-)))[/b][/quote]
Great Smackdown Nick, but I'll do ya one better.....

Red… you are OWNED!!!!

We have now caught you twice in a lie. You stated that Phil from BHE won your contest, yet it looks like BHE is the owner of your sites.

I just looked at the Whois for one of your sites DixieTrailerTrash.com and saw that it’s owned by BHE. Isn’t it great that one of your own guys won your contest. What a crock!!!!

I’ll even take this one step further. I betcha that this Phil guy really didn’t send in the most hits, even as the owner. I’ve been snooping around other BHE sites and all the links to the Depraved Dollars sites from BHE sites don’t even have affiliate codes, so how could he have sent in traffic?

Here is my proof:

A - I found a list of all the 160 sites that BHE owns. It says that BHE owns DixieTrailerTrash.com and Spyfoot.com which are part of your affiliate program. Here is the list:
http://footfetishusa.com/links.html

B - Here is the Whois for one of your sites showing that it is owned by BHE:
Registrant:
Big Horn Enterprises
Suite 760-340
2855 L'ville-Suwanee Rd
Suwanee, Georgia 30024
United States

Registered through: Big Horn Enterprises
Domain Name: DIXIETRAILERTRASH.COM
Created on: 31-Aug-01
Expires on: 31-Aug-05
Last Updated on: 05-Sep-03

Administrative Contact:
President, BHE bhe@b-h-e.com
Big Horn Enterprises
Suite 760-340
2855 L'ville-Suwanee Rd
Suwanee, Georgia 30024
United States
7706823999 Fax --
Technical Contact:
Technical, BHE bhetech@b-h-e.com
Big Horn Enterprises
Suite 760-340
2855 L'ville-Suwanee Rd
Suwanee, Georgia 30024
United States
7706823999 Fax –

C - Here are the NameServers… owned by BHE:

Domain servers in listed order:
SIOUX.B-H-E.COM
ZUNI.B-H-E.COM
NAVAJO.B-H-E.COM

D - And your backup credit card processors is your own…. BHE!

If I am wrong I will give you a public apology and $1,000 cash!!!! Here is my offer. Why don’t you agree to an independent audit from CC-Bill, your primary processor? If CC-Bill tells us that Phil was the largest affiliate I’ll PayPal you $1,000 plus the PayPal charge.

If I'm right you can just buy me a dozen Krispy Kreme donuts (keeping an Oprano tradition alive). So this is really a dollars to donuts wager. I’ll even let Oprano’s oversee this wager to keep everything on the up and up.

What do you say?

Nickatilynx

03-09-2005, 12:21 PM

RickJ

Welcome to Oprano.

Good bit of research!

I must say , that makes sense , the only person that would send traffic to those sites would be an owner. LOL

In fact they are sites only the owner could love!!

ummm...Oh Red.....

Thats the sorta stunt I'D pull!! :)

Nickatilynx

03-09-2005, 12:23 PM

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Mar 2 2005, 03:08 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Mar 2 2005, 03:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Red@Mar 2 2005, 03:03 PM
Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Mar 2 2005, 02:56 PM
Originally posted by Red@Mar 2 2005, 02:52 PM
Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Mar 2 2005, 02:34 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Red@Mar 2 2005, 01:54 PM
Nick,
OK, I should have said 10 sales a day affiliate and not affiliates. The morning I saw this post one of my webmasters had already had 10 sales and I was elated thinking it was terrific until I started reading the thread. I admit, that was my only 10+ sale for one day. I just didn't want everyone else to know that. *hanging my head in shame*

As it turns out, he ended up with a lot more than 10 sales that day, his sales were on
Valerie Exposed (http://www.valerieexposed.com/afentry.asp) which does not have a ton of leaks.

But you're right, I shouldn't have exaggerated, I'll just be happy with my couple of sales a day webmasters and shut up.
geez...juist giving in like that is no fun!!!!!

;-)

Serge/Ron , hell even myself made money by doing this:

Red - Fuck you Nick!! You fat fuck , its calculated on a special logarithym
Nick - What a special shave algorithme?
Red - Well at least I pay webmasters Nick , not like you..

Etc , etc, etc :)

;-)))
well I didn't know I was allowed to use the old algorithm ruse. I'll have to remember that for next time.

My problem is I can't fight if I know I'm wrong. I'm not good at lying and if I do try to beef things up a bit, and get called on it, the Jewish guilt that was instilled in me prenatally takes over and compells me to admit the truth.

Am I too nauseatingly honest for this business?
Yes and .....err NO!!! ;-)

Real honesty in this business is a total handicap.

Faked honesty however....

;-)))
I'll see if I can work on that. ;-)
As I said...

The fact that you have affiliates , makes you a genius at something. ;-))

:wnw: [/b][/quote]
It appears you don't have affiliates....

Thank fuck!!

I thought people had gone mad!!!!

I couldn't understand how you would find people to send traffic to THOSE sites.

RickJ

03-09-2005, 12:44 PM

Here's a thought. What if there is an affiliate that has sent them just one sale. Since the owners/partners/whatevers are exempt from the contest (as a matter of almost all state laws) then someone is owed an I-pod.... and it could be a person that sent in just one sale.

I have friends at CC-Bill that would help us find the REAL winner is Red will allow it.

gonzo

03-09-2005, 12:45 PM

In all fairness.... I dont think its the sites in question. A wise man once told me you could build a site with a pile of dog shit on it and if you showed enough people someone would buy.

I think its the awarding of the prize thats under fire.

RickJ

03-09-2005, 01:16 PM

If you look at their Alexa ratings I don't think they even have a whale sending them 10 sales a day.

dixietrailertrash.com: 120,292
playfullhousewives.com: 448,000
cumdumpmamas.com: 893,731
grannycumshere.com: 992,254
whorebaithals.com: 1,013,655
bigassedmamas.com: 904,089
katsbackporch.com: 1,309,476
juliaexposed.com: 822,176
valerieexposed.com: 972,946
spyfoot.com: 846,900
playfullhousewives.com: 448,000

Now the dixietrailertrash site ranking of 120,292 I didn't think was too bad until I saw that it has a toplist page, in fact many of the sites have a toplist page. You should easily go above 120K with a toplist.
http://www.dixietrailertrash.com/autorank/toplist.html

Then digging a little deeper I see that the top 20 sites on the toplist are their own sites. Hmmmm, could they be pushing their own sites to the top and screwing the guys who are sending in honest trade traffic? I think they might be, simply because the toplist software they are using requires a special link code with the username and none of their intersite links that I can find includes any username code. So how do ALL their sites rankings take the 20 or so top spots on thier toplist?

Listen folks, some of us have been doing this a long time and can spot cheaters and top list shavers a mile away. Do you really think that anyone with a decent amount of traffic is going to send it to an affiliate program that uses a bag of old cheat tricks. How can we trust you?

Clean up your act, play fair, and maybe people with real traffic will send you some.

Nickatilynx

03-09-2005, 01:23 PM

Originally posted by RickJ@Mar 9 2005, 10:17 AM
If you look at their Alexa ratings I don't think they even have a whale sending them 10 sales a day.

dixietrailertrash.com: 120,292
playfullhousewives.com: 448,000
cumdumpmamas.com: 893,731
grannycumshere.com: 992,254
whorebaithals.com: 1,013,655
bigassedmamas.com: 904,089
katsbackporch.com: 1,309,476
juliaexposed.com: 822,176
valerieexposed.com: 972,946
spyfoot.com: 846,900
playfullhousewives.com: 448,000

Now the dixietrailertrash site ranking of 120,292 I didn't think was too bad until I saw that it has a toplist page, in fact many of the sites have a toplist page. You should easily go above 120K with a toplist.
http://www.dixietrailertrash.com/autorank/toplist.html

Then digging a little deeper I see that the top 20 sites on the toplist are their own sites. Hmmmm, could they be pushing their own sites to the top and screwing the guys who are sending in honest trade traffic? I think they might be, simply because the toplist software they are using requires a special link code with the username and none of their intersite links that I can find includes any username code. So how do ALL their sites rankings take the 20 or so top spots on thier toplist?

Listen folks, some of us have been doing this a long time and can spot cheaters and top list shavers a mile away. Do you really think that anyone with a decent amount of traffic is going to send it to an affiliate program that uses a bag of old cheat tricks. How can we trust you?

Clean up your act, play fair, and maybe people with real traffic will send you some.

makes a note - "Do not piss off RickJ"

JoesHO

03-09-2005, 01:30 PM

Originally posted by RickJ@Mar 9 2005, 09:45 AM
Here's a thought. What if there is an affiliate that has sent them just one sale. Since the owners/partners/whatevers are exempt from the contest (as a matter of almost all state laws) then someone is owed an I-pod.... and it could be a person that sent in just one sale.

I have friends at CC-Bill that would help us find the REAL winner is Red will allow it.
surely you are not suggesting that people at ccbill talk shop about others are you ?

DrGuile

03-09-2005, 01:32 PM

This whole Red/Depraveddollars deserves its own thread....

RickJ

03-09-2005, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by JoesHO1+Mar 9 2005, 10:31 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JoesHO1 @ Mar 9 2005, 10:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-RickJ@Mar 9 2005, 09:45 AM
Here's a thought. What if there is an affiliate that has sent them just one sale. Since the owners/partners/whatevers are exempt from the contest (as a matter of almost all state laws) then someone is owed an I-pod.... and it could be a person that sent in just one sale.

I have friends at CC-Bill that would help us find the REAL winner is Red will allow it.
surely you are not suggesting that people at ccbill talk shop about others are you ? [/b][/quote]
No I don't think anyone at CC-Bill would give out numbers.

That's why I said "with Red's approval". I'm sure they would do an audit or independently verify the numbers if the program owner gave their permission.

JoesHO

03-09-2005, 01:51 PM

Originally posted by RickJ+Mar 9 2005, 10:44 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RickJ @ Mar 9 2005, 10:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by JoesHO1@Mar 9 2005, 10:31 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-RickJ@Mar 9 2005, 09:45 AM
Here's a thought. What if there is an affiliate that has sent them just one sale. Since the owners/partners/whatevers are exempt from the contest (as a matter of almost all state laws) then someone is owed an I-pod.... and it could be a person that sent in just one sale.

I have friends at CC-Bill that would help us find the REAL winner is Red will allow it.
surely you are not suggesting that people at ccbill talk shop about others are you ?
No I don't think anyone at CC-Bill would give out numbers.

That's why I said "with Red's approval". I'm sure they would do an audit or independently verify the numbers if the program owner gave their permission. [/b][/quote]
ahh Ok thanks for clarifying that for me... :okthumb:

Red

03-09-2005, 03:25 PM

Jesus Christ. I'm out for a while and I have to come back to this.

Here’s the poop with BHE. They host 3 of our sites as well as have a partnership with us and have for years. Just because they are who they are, doesn’t mean that the guys who market for them (and us) are not to be counted. We could have, as so many other programs do, just pick an affiliate who posts on a lot of boards and give it to them so they could talk about it and give us more exposure. But we didn't. We sent the I-pod to the marketing guy that did the most, period. I wouldn’t care who it was or if it was the devil himself. Why would it matter to us to send the item to someone who didn’t deserve it for what amounts to less than an hours income. Also, since they are “partners” with us, they do NOT need an affiliate code as we can track their sales via our sign-ups. If you've got a problem with that feel free to get in touch with my partner. His name is Hal and you can reach him at webmaster@dixietrailertrash.com

Now on to the toplists. Yes we have our own sites on the toplist and we push the traffic between them, but we are not cheating anyone. Before the affiliate program started that was the main way we got traffic and at this point most of the traffic is still being generated that way and the majority of it is coming from our own sites due to the non affiliate marketing we do. If we were cheating the others on our toplists, don't you think they would have suspended the accounts by now considering the toplists have been going for a few years?

If anything the affiliates benefit from our own sites being the top ranking, since their cookies carry through and they are getting paid on sales made to sites that aren't even in the affiliate program.

Clean up your act, play fair, and maybe people with real traffic will send you some

RickJ, I don't know who you are or what sites you run, but I do play fair. I may not have a lot of affiliates, Yes Nick I [b}do[/b] have affiliates, but I bend over backwards to do what I can for them. If they need specific content that's not in the free content area, I give it to them. If they need text for galleries, I write it for them. I email those who aren't doing as well as others and ask if I can help them with marketing. I also pull all the webmaster content for updates, make the FHG's, do all promotion, troll the boards and anything else that needs to be done. I don't have people working for me. My partner handles the sites, but as far as the affiliate program, it's just me. Now you may have so much money and so much free time that you can spend it doing what you can to take me down, but I don't have the time for all this. So I'll tell you what, I'll buy you a dozen Krispy Kremes if you get the fuck off my case and just let me do my work.

Nick,
You don't like my sites. Fine, I don't give a shit if you do or not. My affiliates who are actively promoting are getting sales. Sales are increasing every week and the affiliates will be pleased with the rebills they'll be getting. We have members of Dixie that have been with us for years. Sure, most of my affiliates are little fish who are only getting one or two sales a day (and I do have 2 that are doing between 5 and 15 a day) and I'm ok with that for now. It's building slowly, but it's building and I don't have to answer to you or anyone else for my program being small. So you and Rick and anyone else that has a problem with me can just go take a flying fuck at a rolling donut.

Far-L

03-09-2005, 03:57 PM

Red: No offense, but that is an EXTREME conflict of interest. In the real world, that relationship would or at least should make them ineligible for taking part in the contest.

Nickatilynx

03-09-2005, 04:08 PM

Originally posted by Far-L@Mar 9 2005, 12:58 PM
Red: No offense, but that is an EXTREME conflict of interest. In the real world, that relationship would or at least should make them ineligible for taking part in the contest.
Well Said Far-L.

"""Nick,
You don't like my sites. Fine, I don't give a shit if you do or not.

----- ok :)

My affiliates who are actively promoting are getting sales.

------I do not think there is a bone fide affiliate that would send traffic to those sites

Sales are increasing every week and the affiliates will be pleased with the rebills they'll be getting. We have members of Dixie that have been with us for years. Sure, most of my affiliates are little fish who are only getting one or two sales a day

(and I do have 2 that are doing between 5 and 15 a day)

----- don't believe you.And if do they are connected with you in some way,No traffic sender in there right mind would send you traffic. Your sit4es are full of leaks and feed top lists. The only people who would would be moronic , or in some way getting rewarded by you. in another way LOL

and I'm ok with that for now. It's building slowly, but it's building and I don't have to answer to you or anyone else for my program being small.

So you and Rick and anyone else that has a problem with me can just go take a flying fuck at a rolling donut.

----- Fair enough! LOL """

Red , this is Oprano , not the Mickey Mouse Club. ;-)))

Far-L

03-09-2005, 04:12 PM

Call me IshmaFar-L, but if I cut off my leg, get a peg, and smoke a corncob pipe while drinking a cup of joe from Starbuck's will I be able to find these whales?

*KK*

03-09-2005, 04:17 PM

Nickatilynx

03-09-2005, 04:17 PM

Originally posted by Far-L@Mar 9 2005, 01:13 PM
Call me IshmaFar-L, but if I cut off my leg, get a peg, and smoke a corncob pipe while drinking a cup of joe from Starbuck's will I be able to find these whales?
There are loads lurking here on Oprano...

Its like SE spiders , you gotta know how to call them , then they will surface for a few seconds and give you a chance to harpoon them with a huge prepay LOL

Far-L

03-09-2005, 04:33 PM

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Mar 9 2005, 01:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Mar 9 2005, 01:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Far-L@Mar 9 2005, 01:13 PM
Call me IshmaFar-L, but if I cut off my leg, get a peg, and smoke a corncob pipe while drinking a cup of joe from Starbuck's will I be able to find these whales?
There are loads lurking here on Oprano...

Its like SE spiders , you gotta know how to call them , then they will surface for a few seconds and give you a chance to harpoon them with a huge prepay LOL [/b][/quote]
Well then shiver me timbers and blister me barnacles!

Ahoy there mateys!

Fill my sales with a hearty wind and set course for waters more green, there is 1000 buckets of valuable spermeceti out there waiting for the hauling because the good ship Homegrown Video has taken to the sea in search of the great white whale!

Ye landlubbers can drink your grog and bed your whores as you wish but for those with an eye for adventure, a love of the sea, and pockets to fill with coin will surely wish to set sail with such a sturdy vessel as this...

Nickatilynx

03-09-2005, 05:05 PM

Originally posted by Far-L+Mar 9 2005, 01:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Far-L @ Mar 9 2005, 01:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Mar 9 2005, 01:18 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Far-L@Mar 9 2005, 01:13 PM
Call me IshmaFar-L, but if I cut off my leg, get a peg, and smoke a corncob pipe while drinking a cup of joe from Starbuck's will I be able to find these whales?
There are loads lurking here on Oprano...

Its like SE spiders , you gotta know how to call them , then they will surface for a few seconds and give you a chance to harpoon them with a huge prepay LOL
Well then shiver me timbers and blister me barnacles!

Ahoy there mateys!

Fill my sales with a hearty wind and set course for waters more green, there is 1000 buckets of valuable spermeceti out there waiting for the hauling because the good ship Homegrown Video has taken to the sea in search of the great white whale!

Ye landlubbers can drink your grog and bed your whores as you wish but for those with an eye for adventure, a love of the sea, and pockets to fill with coin will surely wish to set sail with such a sturdy vessel as this... [/b][/quote]
arrrrrgh!!!! LOL

I bet ya never sailed into a Rokso listing with a full head of steam watching your mail servers be bounced round the Pacific like a cork with a baracuda tugging it???

I bet ya never submitted 300 domains with dynamic and cloaking in an SE during the reindexing only to have ye entire class C banned like a drunken sailor at the Ritz...

Oh!! aha!! you have a woman's hand far-L me laddie!!

Soft and welcoming!!

I bet ye have never sat on it for an hour and then played with your knob so it feels like someone else is doing it on those lonely nights saiing round the downtown seeing if some landlubber has left there wireless networked T3 open for scourvy dogs like we be to spam the crap out of it overnight...

;-))

Red

03-09-2005, 05:15 PM

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Mar 9 2005, 01:09 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Mar 9 2005, 01:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Far-L@Mar 9 2005, 12:58 PM
Red: No offense, but that is an EXTREME conflict of interest. In the real world, that relationship would or at least should make them ineligible for taking part in the contest.
Well Said Far-L.

"""Nick,
You don't like my sites. Fine, I don't give a shit if you do or not.

----- ok :)

My affiliates who are actively promoting are getting sales.

------I do not think there is a bone fide affiliate that would send traffic to those sites

Sales are increasing every week and the affiliates will be pleased with the rebills they'll be getting. We have members of Dixie that have been with us for years. Sure, most of my affiliates are little fish who are only getting one or two sales a day

(and I do have 2 that are doing between 5 and 15 a day)

----- don't believe you.And if do they are connected with you in some way,No traffic sender in there right mind would send you traffic. Your sit4es are full of leaks and feed top lists. The only people who would would be moronic , or in some way getting rewarded by you. in another way LOL

and I'm ok with that for now. It's building slowly, but it's building and I don't have to answer to you or anyone else for my program being small.

So you and Rick and anyone else that has a problem with me can just go take a flying fuck at a rolling donut.

----- Fair enough! LOL """

Red , this is Oprano , not the Mickey Mouse Club. ;-))) [/b][/quote]
Far-L
You're right, he should have been ineligable, but since was just one of the guys marketing and he worked hard it was given to him. In hindsight, we should have given it to the second highest sales and given him one just because.

Nick,
I was all set to take screen caps of the affiliate stats to prove that I do indeed have affiliates that are selling and that are in no way a part of my company, but then I thought

1. That you would probably accuse me of doctoring them in photoshop, even though the only thing I can do in PS is resize images.

2. That there would be no way to prove that I have no affiliation with these webmasters other than the fact that they signed up with the program and

3. Why the fuck should I go through all this trouble just to prove myself to you? I know they're making sales, they're getting their checks every week and that's the bottom line.

If you're so sure that the sites couldn't possibly sell for shit, then prove me wrong. Sign up and promote it for a month with targeted traffic. Surely you can afford to "throw away" some traffic for a month since you have so much money anyway. So why not put some of it where your mouth is? I'll even tell you the type of traffic that's converting best for us.

Anthony

03-09-2005, 05:15 PM

Okay, this thread has taken a turn towards the sodomy of a cabin boy.

Nickatilynx

03-09-2005, 05:37 PM

Originally posted by Red@Mar 9 2005, 02:16 PM

If you're so sure that the sites couldn't possibly sell for shit, then prove me wrong. Sign up and promote it for a month with targeted traffic. Surely you can afford to "throw away" some traffic for a month since you have so much money anyway. So why not put some of it where your mouth is? I'll even tell you the type of traffic that's converting best for us.
ahahahaha Excellent! :)

There is no bad publicity if you spin it right.

;-)))

But please read closely.I never said they wouldn't sell.

NO ONE would send traffic to a site like yours , with traffic leaks to feed your top lists. LOL

You do realise you are sooooo wrong , no one is arguing for you?

Anthony

03-09-2005, 06:08 PM

I just wanted to add to what I put up earlier.

I work with a group of guys who consistently do 10 to 25 sales a day. They bagged a very big whale as a subaffiliate that we are expecting to do over 100+ a day.

By keeping the door open and making sure they get the support to run their affiliate program using us as a backend made this possible.

Everyone should be given top support in a program. What held true back in the late 90's still does now. That noob who sends 2 sales today can be the next whale.

Red

03-09-2005, 06:25 PM

NO ONE would send traffic to a site like yours , with traffic leaks to feed your top lists. LOL

Look, you don't think I have any affiliates sending me traffic and I know I do, so continuing this argument is futile. If you're trying to bait me into getting my affiliates to come here and post in my defense, forget it. You've already said that anyone who sends traffic to my sites must be a part of the company in some way, so why should I tell them to come here just to have you accuse them of the same thing?

If you're just looking to keep stirring the shit for either your own amusement or for page views, do it on someone else's time. I've got way to much work to do.

RickJ

03-10-2005, 12:11 AM

Originally posted by Red@Mar 9 2005, 12:26 PM
Here’s the poop with BHE. They host 3 of our sites as well as have a partnership with us and have for years. Just because they are who they are, doesn’t mean that the guys who market for them (and us) are not to be counted.
Interesting that you should say "Here's the Poop" because it is a load of crap!

And YES anyone that is your partner/owner/etc. should be eliminated from a competition. It is improper and in violation of almost every states contest laws.

You say that in hind sight you should give your partner an I-Pod and the guy that came in second. If you really believe that then you can still do that. Give the guy that came in #2 an I-pod... no hindsight is required for that gesture.

And finally, isn't it very convienient that you use CC-Bill as your processor but used your own "internal stats" to determine the winner since your partner does not use an affiliate code.

Look.... all that I'm saying is that if you want webmasters to trust you then you need to stay away from the apperance of improprioty. Right now it looks like you are up to your neck in shady dealings. No one is going to think you play fair just because you say you do.

Far-L

03-10-2005, 01:30 AM

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Mar 9 2005, 02:06 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Mar 9 2005, 02:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Far-L@Mar 9 2005, 01:34 PM
Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Mar 9 2005, 01:18 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Far-L@Mar 9 2005, 01:13 PM
Call me IshmaFar-L, but if I cut off my leg, get a peg, and smoke a corncob pipe while drinking a cup of joe from Starbuck's will I be able to find these whales?
There are loads lurking here on Oprano...

Its like SE spiders , you gotta know how to call them , then they will surface for a few seconds and give you a chance to harpoon them with a huge prepay LOL
Well then shiver me timbers and blister me barnacles!

Ahoy there mateys!

Fill my sales with a hearty wind and set course for waters more green, there is 1000 buckets of valuable spermeceti out there waiting for the hauling because the good ship Homegrown Video has taken to the sea in search of the great white whale!

Ye landlubbers can drink your grog and bed your whores as you wish but for those with an eye for adventure, a love of the sea, and pockets to fill with coin will surely wish to set sail with such a sturdy vessel as this...
arrrrrgh!!!! LOL

I bet ya never sailed into a Rokso listing with a full head of steam watching your mail servers be bounced round the Pacific like a cork with a baracuda tugging it???

I bet ya never submitted 300 domains with dynamic and cloaking in an SE during the reindexing only to have ye entire class C banned like a drunken sailor at the Ritz...

Oh!! aha!! you have a woman's hand far-L me laddie!!

Soft and welcoming!!

I bet ye have never sat on it for an hour and then played with your knob so it feels like someone else is doing it on those lonely nights saiing round the downtown seeing if some landlubber has left there wireless networked T3 open for scourvy dogs like we be to spam the crap out of it overnight...

;-)) [/b][/quote]
A woman's hand?

Nay!

The granite hand that guides this wheel is that hand which sits on a bible and swears an oath to the Almighty...

I shalt not commit the sin of trading the hard-won honest earnings of smooth sailing for a short rich road off a cliff!

To quote the good book:

Jonah and the Whale Chapter 2

1 Then Jonah prayed unto the LORD his God out of the fish's belly,

2 And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.

3 For thou hadst cast me into the deep, in the midst of the seas; and the floods compassed me about: all thy billows and thy waves passed over me.

4 Then I said, I am cast out of thy sight; yet I will look again toward thy holy temple.

5 The waters compassed me about, even to the soul: the depth closed me round about, the weeds were wrapped about my head.

6 I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God.

7 When my soul fainted within me I remembered the LORD: and my prayer came in unto thee, into thine holy temple.

8 They that observe lying vanities forsake their own mercy.

9 But I will sacrifice unto thee with the voice of thanksgiving; I will pay that that I have vowed. Salvation is of the LORD.

10 And the LORD spake unto the fish, and it vomited out Jonah upon the dry land.

sarettah

03-10-2005, 01:53 AM

I just love this thread. It just feels like Oprano ought to feel :rolleyes:

Lisa

03-10-2005, 01:55 AM

Originally posted by Far-L@Mar 10 2005, 04:31 PM
A woman's hand?

Nay!

The granite hand that guides this wheel is that hand which sits on a bible and swears an oath to the Almighty...

Up until that point I thought you worshipped Colin...

:P

Yug

03-10-2005, 01:59 AM

Arrrrrr

I have nothing of value to add, i just felt like getting into the character of the thread.

03-10-2005, 02:24 AM

Originally posted by RickJ+Mar 10 2005, 12:12 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RickJ @ Mar 10 2005, 12:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Red@Mar 9 2005, 12:26 PM
Here’s the poop with BHE. They host 3 of our sites as well as have a partnership with us and have for years. Just because they are who they are, doesn’t mean that the guys who market for them (and us) are not to be counted.
Interesting that you should say "Here's the Poop" because it is a load of crap!

And YES anyone that is your partner/owner/etc. should be eliminated from a competition. It is improper and in violation of almost every states contest laws.

You say that in hind sight you should give your partner an I-Pod and the guy that came in second. If you really believe that then you can still do that. Give the guy that came in #2 an I-pod... no hindsight is required for that gesture.

And finally, isn't it very convienient that you use CC-Bill as your processor but used your own "internal stats" to determine the winner since your partner does not use an affiliate code.

Look.... all that I'm saying is that if you want webmasters to trust you then you need to stay away from the apperance of improprioty. Right now it looks like you are up to your neck in shady dealings. No one is going to think you play fair just because you say you do. [/b][/quote]
Just curious Rick ...

why do you care so much?

btw, welcome aboard ... would love to hear your views on other topics. you seem to have a unique way of looking at things ....

TheEnforcer

03-10-2005, 11:22 AM

This has been one hell of a thread!! :okthumb:

Far-L

03-10-2005, 12:42 PM

Are the whales facing extinction?

Most of the whales I know have beached themselves into their own programs. The old days where the whales ran in pods and could make or break a program have become as antique as scrimshaw on a sperm whale's tooth.

Many of those that claim to have caught whales everyone knows are just telling fish stories.

Now it seems so many small one sign up a day plankton are the food of choice to the leviathans...

Nickatilynx

03-10-2005, 02:24 PM

Originally posted by Far-L@Mar 10 2005, 09:43 AM
Are the whales facing extinction?

Most of the whales I know have beached themselves into their own programs. The old days where the whales ran in pods and could make or break a program have become as antique as scrimshaw on a sperm whale's tooth.

Many of those that claim to have caught whales everyone knows are just telling fish stories.

Now it seems so many small one sign up a day plankton are the food of choice to the leviathans...
Good point Far-L

And some most excelent nautical references ;-)

Oh and by your earlier post I think you could be crazier than me.

However...

Are whales extinct?

I know they aren't , I have seen them. (arrrgh)

What has happened is they have migrated to sunnier climes.

Why lay on the cold beaches of adult when you have traffic?

It is still my belief , that there are really only three species of Whales left.

1.) The highly hunted and prized Mailer Whale
2.) The illusive SE Whale
3.) The Domain Whale.

I know (major TGP owners) excepted that can send 100 joins a day , sustained , except a whale from these three species.

People will say they can , I call "Bullshit"

And here is the problem in catching those whales.

If you are gonna mail , mail to where you get the most $$$. You can change in a heartbeat.And factor in what gets you less "heat"

If you are gonna garner SE traffic , send it to where you make the most money.

If you are sending domain hits...like wise.

And currently it is not adult. The last time REAL whales as a group schooled around a product it was prolly the Paris Hilton tape...all whales did good on that one.Even though some were left unpaid , before that the money was good (Rule 17: The last wire nevewr comes)

Most whales are swimming round pharma , mortgages , Credit , IR, etc etc...

And frankly , in my case , whilst I concentrate on building things for the future it is nice to have a reghular income , besides recurs. Especially in this day and age.

So I follow the money.

And it isn't in adult.

I* (means "Technick") can take no more than 30mins out of my day and send traffic to 4 different places.

All non adult related and can make between the 4 of them $1500 - $2000 commission a day. Not a fortune but not bad either. About 4 - 5k sales a day in total.

Takes us no time at all and allows us to build foundations.

One of the 4 places is an Oprano family members non adult proggie , I checked my stats for yesterday...2k...lovely.And the money dealing with them is as good as in the bank.

Gains no heat

Causes no waves.

Takes no time.And I can make that 2k a day on 10 -20 non adult joins a day instead of 50 -80 adult joins a day which frankly requoire more effort etc etc...

Now I'm only at a growing stage so thats not a lot of traffic, nor a great deal of money...but it is sustained and growing.I hope to regain my fullfledged whale staus in the summer.At the moment I'm merely a dolphin. :)

That said...

I shall not give up adult traffic totally...but from my point of view , seriously , I have never considered myself a porner (well except as a hobby;) ) I have always considered myself a traffic sender really.

And as a traffic sender I will send mine to where it is most profitable.

And the REAL Whales I know agree with me.

Anthony

03-10-2005, 03:10 PM

I wish this board gave out reputation points like the the New VB board does.

That last post hit it on the nose.

Nickatilynx

03-10-2005, 03:21 PM

Originally posted by Anthony@Mar 10 2005, 12:11 PM
I wish this board gave out reputation points like the the New VB board does.

That last post hit it on the nose.

A.) You love me :)

B.) We will be upgrading to the new version of this board soon. Technicks "if it ain't broke ,don't fix it" and that he can do more with RSS feeds manually that the ones you get with VB...;-)...I dunno,....remember he is mad :)

Far-L

03-10-2005, 04:29 PM

Nick, that post was pure Melville in terms of being classic and epic...

Here are some reflections on those whales you describe:

1.) The highly hunted and prized Mailer Whale:

A dangerous beast that is as likely to bring down a ship just as easily as delivering a bounty of riches. Over-hunted by greedy mongers, usually considered on an ethical par with slave trading...

2.) The illusive SE Whale

Blue as the sky and truly bountiful at much less risk but hard to catch and prone to geologic shifts of territory as in "here today and gone tomorrow".. All the so called "gurus" that one sticks up in a crow's nest tend to overestimate their worth and stake their claim on past achievement rather than future glory.

3.) The Domain Whale.

A fat bloated beast that wallows in the warmest waters. This monster is related to the SE whale but takes a decent investment to catch as all the best domains have been fished up and flayed long ago. Yes, you can get traffic to sexyamateursex-fucking-orgasms-sexsexsex.com but it is like fishing for minnows with a harpoon...

Anthony

03-10-2005, 05:36 PM

You missed a sub species of the mailer whale.

Which I will not give a description of.

Nickatilynx

03-10-2005, 05:54 PM

Originally posted by Anthony@Mar 10 2005, 02:37 PM
You missed a sub species of the mailer whale.

Which I will not give a description of.
Quiet! lol

Anthony

03-10-2005, 06:09 PM

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Mar 10 2005, 02:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Mar 10 2005, 02:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Anthony@Mar 10 2005, 02:37 PM
You missed a sub species of the mailer whale.

Which I will not give a description of.
Quiet! lol [/b][/quote]
Sowwy.

It's the Super Secret Squirrel Whale!

Nickatilynx

03-10-2005, 06:14 PM

Also..... "sub-species" ????

Thats not a nice desription. LOL

sarettah

03-10-2005, 09:25 PM

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Mar 10 2005, 06:15 PM
Also..... "sub-species" ????

Thats not a nice desription. LOL
What is wrong with being a subspecies ??

I mean just because you're a subspecies doesn't make you any less then being a species. (except in those things that you may be substandard in)

I mean, there is a place for everyone and everything in this world, a perfect order so to speak.. So, as long as a subspecies knows it's place it will get along just fine.

:yowsa:

grimm

03-11-2005, 01:16 AM

Originally posted by sarettah+Mar 10 2005, 06:26 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (sarettah @ Mar 10 2005, 06:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@Mar 10 2005, 06:15 PM
Also..... "sub-species" ????

Thats not a nice desription. LOL
What is wrong with being a subspecies ??

I mean just because you're a subspecies doesn't make you any less then being a species. (except in those things that you may be substandard in)

I mean, there is a place for everyone and everything in this world, a perfect order so to speak.. So, as long as a subspecies knows it's place it will get along just fine.

:yowsa: [/b][/quote]
in taxonomy, a subspecies is the grouping immediately suboordinate to a species..it is a building block for a species, a genus, a family, etc. using it as an insult doesnt make sense

:)