Hmmm..........

[Robin]

I've no comment to make - just a few URLs to post...

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12733617~mode=flat

http://castlecops.com/article-5762-nested-0-0.html

http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/60608

http://www.revenews.com/wayneporter/archives/000429.html

- Robin.

[gonzo]

Me and CJ had the Oprano Director of Security...Kevin Mitnick and his staff look at it.

We told everyone what it was a year ago.

Maybe someone needs to help these folks out in pinpointing the parent company of the creator of this savage behavior?

"Whine, Complain, Accept it" - the jig is up boys!

Still want to call this creative marketing?

[JoesHO]

I am afraid to click the link LOL

somebody give me the report please?

[cj]

Originally posted by JoesHO1@Feb 22 2005, 09:30 PM
I am afraid to click the link LOL

somebody give me the report please?
in a nutshell

hooper has been installing spyware onto people's computers and calling it creative marketing, and now he's not only in trouble for the adult angle, but in the mainstream world as well.

short version ... he's fucked!

:o

[JR]

and i would add that the evidence continues to support the fact that only one party is confused about the fact that it is spyware.

[Nickatilynx]

So this is hoopers stuff?

Interesting.

It seems one of these peoples has his real name.

[Forest]

http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/05/02/23/18302...?tid=158&tid=17 (http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/05/02/23/1830243.shtml?tid=158&tid=17)

[grimm]

Hey Robin!

[Robin]

Another top Anti-Spyware site gets a C&D from Hooper...

http://www.netrn.net/spywareblog/

(Hi Grimm!)

- Robin.

[Nickatilynx]

That Robin!!!!!!

Welcome , good seeing you around. :)

For the experiencely challenged bnew webmaster on Oprano , Robin is an oldtimer. One of the best there is.

I just read the story from the link you posted....interesting.

For those too lazy to click , here it is.

2/22/2005
iDownload’s Product is not malware?
Today I received a letter forwarded by Domains by Proxy, my domain registrar’s private registration partner – a letter from the law firm Savrick Schumann Johnson McGarr Kaminski & Shirley attorneys and counselors at law, Mark D. Hopkins, Partner – Austin Office representing iDownload.com. The letter, dated February 10, 2005, is quoted in full here:


Re: Incorrect Classification of iDownload’s Product as Malware & Related disparagement of iDownload

Dear Sir or Madam:




This firm represents iDownload.com with respect to your inaccurate classification of iDownload’s software product, iSearch toolbar, as Malware on the following four websites:


(1) domain blacked out
(2) domain blacked out
(3) www.netrn.net
(4) domain blacked out


Specifically, a recent review of materials disseminated by your company, via the Internet, revealed that your company is falsely disparaging iDowload’s product, iSearch, in that Domains by Proxy, Inc. classifies the product as Malware and articulates that,


iSearch “Desktop Search” hijacker….

iSearch is unidentified malware….


Domains by Proxy, Inc.’s characterization of iSearch as Malware is damaging to the iDownload brand. As we all know, Malware is a phrase within the public conscience that has a specific meaning. A classification of Malware is usually reserved for those programs designed specifically to damage or disrupt a system, such as a virus or a Trojan horse, iSearch does not fit this profile.

iSearch does not qualify as Malware. iSearch is a toolbar that in no way attempts to remain hidden or evade detection, Continuing, unlike Malware, iSearch does not gather any personally identifiable information about end users, does not collect data about the user’s web usage, does not collect any information entered into web forms, does not share information with third parties, does not send or cause to be sent unsolicited e-mail, and does not install items such as dialers on the end user’s computer.

We would request that you correct your disseminated materials immediately to remove any reference to iSearch as Malware or Spyware. To the extent you fail to remedy your improper disparagement of the iDownload brand on or before February 15, 2005, we will take all necessary action against your company to protect iDownload from your continuing tortuous conduct. Should you have any questions regarding the foregoing, please feel free to contact me.

Best Regards,

Mark D. Hopkins
As owner of this domain, netrn.net, the home of this blog, I am currently obtaining legal counsel and evaluating my options. I will post additional details as they develop.

Interestingly enough, I’m not the only site in the anti-spyware community to receive such a letter from Mr. Hopkins. CastleCops.com published an article yesterday revealing they received a nearly identical letter.

Incorrect Classification of iDownload’s Product as Spyware…

At DSLReports.com, there is a thread, now 3 pages in length, titled Silencing the Critics: ISearch/IDownload. A news article was published there today as well, Marketers Try to Silence Spyware Critic

Wayne Porter of ReveNews wrote about Deceptive Is as Deceptive Does, where he posted no less than 18 links to articles describing what he calls “savage behavior”.

Wilders Security Forum has a thread going as well, and one user posts the details of his installation of iSearch.com’s toolbar.

[gonzo]

His extensive background in IT allows him to explain the differences between all of these things. Some one sure has come a long way from pimping our their girlfriend on webcam to being an expert in IT.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by gonzo@Feb 24 2005, 09:01 AM
His extensive background in IT allows him to explain the differences between all of these things. Some one sure has come a long way from pimping our their girlfriend on webcam to being an expert in IT.
Dude !!! I ditched that girlfriehnd!!!


Oh wait , you didn't mean me....

;-)

[sarettah]

Ok, to avoid being sued or getting C&D's etc.. Let us invent a new category...

Currently we have spyware, adware, malware and the overall encompassing scumware. Since hooper et al wants to deny that isearch/idownload is any of these because according to his attorney there is some sort of finite definiftion to all these categories then we need to invent a new category that for right now will ONLY have isearch/idownlaod products in it.

Personally I reccomend:

fucked_up_piece_of_shit_that_is_pushed_by_a_stupid _fucking_scammer_ware

Now remeber, you cannot call anything other than products from isearch or idownload fucked_up_piece_of_shit_that_is_pushed_by_a_stupid _fucking_scammer_ware

because otherwise someone else might sue you, ya know

:blink:

addendum: or we can just call it hooperware.

[DrGuile]

some more links

http://netrn.net/spywareblog/archives/2005...is-not-malware/ (http://netrn.net/spywareblog/archives/2005/02/22/idownloads-product-is-not-malware/) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12733617%7Emode=flat
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/60608
http://www.revenews.com/wayneporter/archives/000429.html
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=67648


(some are already in this thread)

This C&D campaign looks like a huge mistake...

[gonzo]

Originally posted by DrGuile@Feb 24 2005, 12:42 PM
some more links

http://netrn.net/spywareblog/archives/2005...is-not-malware/ (http://netrn.net/spywareblog/archives/2005/02/22/idownloads-product-is-not-malware/) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12733617%7Emode=flat
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/60608
http://www.revenews.com/wayneporter/archives/000429.html
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=67648


(some are already in this thread)

This C&D campaign looks like a huge mistake...
Whine,Complain,Accept It....

Maybe they could suggest a good ear surgeon.

[Nickatilynx]

Ok...

But look how little shit they get here on Oprano.

So you issue a C&D and people shut up.

Looks like it works to me. :)


Imagine if you issue a writ against someone?

You now have a public document.

Imagine who you can mail a public document to.Churches , Synagogue , homes...

Its the gift that never stops giving :)

:groucho:

[JoesHO]

Public documents if the wrong eyes see them are sometimes worse than the punitive damages awarded by the court.

[Robin]

More info...

http://windowssecrets.com/050224/

- Robin.

[Robin]

Oh and, ooops, looks like Hooper's telling a few pork pies (lies)...

http://www.edbott.com/weblog/archives/000496.html

- Robin.

[JR]

its disheartening that everyone is so worried about spyware and no one cares about the little helpless hotel chairs being flung to their deaths from the 28th floor.

what about the chairs man?

what about the chairs?

[Robin]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Feb 23 2005, 06:31 PM
So this is hoopers stuff?

Interesting.

It seems one of these peoples has his real name.
Jeopardy question:

Who is Arlo Gilbert?

- Robin.

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Robin+Feb 24 2005, 09:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Robin @ Feb 24 2005, 09:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@Feb 23 2005, 06:31 PM
So this is hoopers stuff?

Interesting.

It seems one of these peoples has his real name.
Jeopardy question:

Who is Arlo Gilbert?

- Robin. [/b][/quote]
Thats Hoopers real name... looks like he learned a trick from Acadia.
***************

When iDownload's CEO, Arlo Gilbert, called me, I asked which companies had received a cease-and-desist letter from iDownload's attorney. "It would not be in our best interest to share that list," Gilbert said.

He did assert that the letter was having the desired effect. "The majority of sites we've contacted have taken down or properly classified iSearch," Gilbert stated.

When asked to name some of the sites that had complied, Gilbert answered, "I'm not going to share that information. It would be shooting a gift horse in the mouth."

Gilbert added, "The people who are profiting off this information and have not reclassified the information will be sued." When asked for the names of some companies that iDownload has filed suits against, Gilbert said, "We're not going to reveal it," but added that the suits were a matter of public record that could be looked up.

Two telephone messages seeking the names of the companies being sued were left with Mark Hopkins' office, including one left with an assistant. These calls were not returned within two days' time.

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Feb 24 2005, 03:59 PM



Imagine if you issue a writ against someone?

You now have a public document.

Imagine who you can mail a public document to.Churches , Synagogue , homes...

Its the gift that never stops giving :)

:groucho:
JEDI MIND TRICK ALERT!!!

[Robin]

I think this one's blowing up in someone's face...

iDownload Tries to Silence Spyware Critics (http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/02/23/1830243&tid=158&tid=17)

“iDownload” **IS** spyware” (http://216.138.229.143/iDown/)

CastleCops responds to iDownload/iSearch (http://castlecops.com/article-5765-nested-0-0.html)

Cease and Desist letter to CC and our response (http://castlecops.com/postp470716.html#470716)

Spyware maker iDownload threatens CastleCops (http://www.scupper.net/archives/000151.php)

Petition: Response to iSearch/iDownload Cease & Desist Threats (http://www.petitiononline.com/mm23Feb4/petition.html)

Tiny Search Bid Becomes Massive Embarrassment (http://www.revenews.com/wayneporter/archives/000432.html)

When it is time to say enough is enough! (http://robin.castlecops.com/archives/2005/02/how_deep_does_t.html)

Support the fight against spyware (http://www.edbott.com/weblog/archives/000491.html)

iDownload: A case history in unethical marketing (http://www.edbott.com/weblog/archives/000496.html)

Bugtraq (http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/1/391282)

FullDisclosure: Incorrect Classification of iDownload’s Product as Spyware… (http://seclists.org/lists/fulldisclosure/2005/Feb/0589.html)

IDownload’s Legal Threats (http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/60654)

Another attempt to censor a blog (http://sleazereport.com/wp/index.php?p=927)

CastleCops.com and Spyware Warrior was asked to correct the already what? (http://msmvps.com/donna/archive/2005/02/24/36766.aspx)

Spyware: First, infect all the lawyers…. (http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/02/23/120440.php)

When Spyware (authors) Strike Back (http://www.shaftek.org/blog/archives/000261.html)

Fracas over iDownload C&D Letters (http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2005/02/fracas_over_ido.htm)

- Robin.

[Hell Puppy]

Somehow i dont think bad press alone will bother Hooper....

Only thing he understands is the wallet. He'll thumb his nose at all this shit til the wallet feels some pain.

[*KK*]

Originally posted by Hell Puppy@Feb 24 2005, 08:25 PM
Somehow i dont think bad press alone will bother Hooper....

Only thing he understands is the wallet. He'll thumb his nose at all this shit til the wallet feels some pain.
Interesting that you'd make that comment, as I was just about to mention the fact that I wonder how many people reading this post would shut the fuck up about him if they'd gotten themselves into a similar situation. And I mean the money, not the bad press.

[Hell Puppy]

Originally posted by *KK*+Feb 24 2005, 11:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (*KK* @ Feb 24 2005, 11:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Hell Puppy@Feb 24 2005, 08:25 PM
Somehow i dont think bad press alone will bother Hooper....

Only thing he understands is the wallet. He'll thumb his nose at all this shit til the wallet feels some pain.
Interesting that you'd make that comment, as I was just about to mention the fact that I wonder how many people reading this post would shut the fuck up about him if they'd gotten themselves into a similar situation. And I mean the money, not the bad press. [/b][/quote]
It begs the question, does a true streetwalking whore mind if you call her a whore?