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grimm
02-11-2005, 04:53 PM
I thought only democrats wanted bigger government.

not to mention the trampling of the constitution.

House approves electronic ID cards

Published: February 10, 2005, 5:46 PM PST
By Declan McCullagh
Staff Writer, CNET News.com

The U.S. House of Representatives approved on Thursday a sweeping set of rules aimed at forcing states to issue all adults federally approved electronic ID cards, including driver's licenses.

Under the rules, federal employees would reject licenses or identity cards that don't comply, which could curb Americans' access to airplanes, trains, national parks, federal courthouses and other areas controlled by the federal government. The bill was approved by a 261-161 vote.

The measure, called the Real ID Act, says that driver's licenses and other ID cards must include a digital photograph, anticounterfeiting features and undefined "machine-readable technology, with defined minimum data elements" that could include a magnetic strip or RFID tag. The Department of Homeland Security would be charged with drafting the details of the regulation.

Republican politicians argued that the new rules were necessary to thwart terrorists, saying that four of the Sept. 11, 2001, hijackers possessed valid state-issued driver's licenses. "When I get on an airplane and someone shows ID, I'd like to be sure they are who they say they are," said Rep. Tom Davis, a Virginia Republican, during a floor debate that started Wednesday.

States would be required to demand proof of the person's Social Security number and confirm that number with the Social Security Administration. They would also have to scan in documents showing the person's date of birth and immigration status, and create a massive store "so that the (scanned) images can be retained in electronic storage in a transferable format" permanently.

Another portion of the bill says that states would be required to link their DMV databases if they wished to receive federal funds. Among the information that must be shared: All data fields printed on drivers' licenses and identification cards, and complete drivers' histories, including motor vehicle violations, suspensions and points on licenses.

The Bush administration threw its weight behind the Real ID Act, which has been derided by some conservative and civil liberties groups as tantamount to a national ID card. The White House said in a statement this week that it "strongly supports House passage" of the bill.

Thursday's vote mostly fell along party lines. About 95 percent of the House Republicans voted for the bill, which had been prepared by the judiciary committee chairman, F. James Sensenbrenner, a Wisconsin Republican. More than three-fourths of the House Democrats opposed it.

Rep. Eleanor Holmes Norton, a Democrat from Washington, D.C., charged that Republicans were becoming hypocrites by trampling on states' rights. "I thought the other side of the aisle extols federalism at all times," Norton said. "Yes, even in hard times, even when you're dealing with terrorism. So what's happening now? Why are those who speak up for states whenever it strikes their fancy doing this now?"

Civil libertarians and firearm rights groups condemned the bill before the vote. The American Civil Liberties Union likened the new rules to a "de facto national ID card," saying that the measure would force "states to deny driver's licenses to undocumented immigrants" and make DMV employees act as agents of the federal immigration service.

Because an ID is required to purchase a firearm from a dealer, Gun Owners of America said the bill amounts to a "bureaucratic back door to implementation of a national ID card." The group warned that it would "empower the federal government to determine who can get a driver's license--and under what conditions."

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sextoyking
02-11-2005, 04:55 PM
As I sing the theme song to "1984" - Is big brother really coming or is he / she already here?

What a bunch of bull shit Grimm!!!!!

More tracking, more eyes, etc all in the name of national security, terrorism, etc.

I blame dems and repubs for this shit.

Almighty Colin
02-11-2005, 04:56 PM
Originally posted by grimm@Feb 11 2005, 04:54 PM
Why are those who speak up for states whenever it strikes their fancy doing this now?
That's a good one.

sextoyking
02-11-2005, 04:58 PM
Originally posted by Almighty Colin+Feb 11 2005, 02:57 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Almighty Colin @ Feb 11 2005, 02:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-grimm@Feb 11 2005, 04:54 PM
Why are those who speak up for states whenever it strikes their fancy doing this now?
That's a good one. [/b][/quote]
Rep. Norton is a great person in my opinion. I watch her alot on cspan.

But of course she really is only a delagate since they won't give DC any voter power.


what's next, chip implants? oh yeh that's already being tested, dugh!!

grimm
02-11-2005, 05:12 PM
Originally posted by sextoyking@Feb 11 2005, 01:56 PM
As I sing the theme song to "1984" - Is big brother really coming or is he / she already here?

What a bunch of bull shit Grimm!!!!!

More tracking, more eyes, etc all in the name of national security, terrorism, etc.

I blame dems and repubs for this shit.
didn't you know todd, fear will set you free;)

fear and hunger are the best when it comes to getting around personal freedoms with a large scale population, wouldn't you agree!

grimm
02-11-2005, 05:15 PM
Originally posted by Almighty Colin+Feb 11 2005, 01:57 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Almighty Colin @ Feb 11 2005, 01:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-grimm@Feb 11 2005, 04:54 PM
Why are those who speak up for states whenever it strikes their fancy doing this now?
That's a good one. [/b][/quote]
whatever happened to the republican party being a states rights party.

democrat or republican... don't trust any of them further than you can throw them.


I cant see this happening. there is no way this gets past the high court. I would personally tear up a national ID card. ill keep my drivers license, thats enough.

TheEnforcer
02-11-2005, 05:28 PM
This pisses me off to no end!! Absolutely drives me nuts!!

PornoDoggy
02-11-2005, 05:30 PM
Hey, it's not just ID cards.

The tort reform package pulls things out of State Courts and puts them in Federal Courts.

Some of the things GW was talking about in regards to insurance reform (to enable small businesses to band together) may override state insurace regulations.

grimm
02-11-2005, 05:30 PM
Originally posted by Almighty Colin+Feb 11 2005, 01:57 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Almighty Colin @ Feb 11 2005, 01:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-grimm@Feb 11 2005, 04:54 PM
Why are those who speak up for states whenever it strikes their fancy doing this now?
That's a good one. [/b][/quote]
and um, dont shoot the messenger:)

nlphoto
02-11-2005, 09:20 PM
Originally posted by grimm@Feb 11 2005, 03:13 PM

didn't you know todd, fear will set you free;)


and I thought it was work makes you free...

venturi
02-11-2005, 09:29 PM
"States would be required to demand proof of the person's Social Security number and confirm that number with the Social Security Administration."

Right there the bill is doomed. The Privacy Act of 1974 forbids this practice. I can't fathom the high courts from allowing this to pass into law.