Do clickthrough program operators have a clue?

[RyanLanane]

<venting>
As a previously seasoned webmaster, I know what kind of tools are needed and they JUST are not there barring one affiliate program I have run into so far. You either have half the stuff available, 3/4, 1/4 or a mix between. I have only found one program so far that Truly meets everything I think I need and would expect out of a sponsership program operating at today's standards

http://www.topbucks.com/ especially with the inclusion of their mainstream products. However I couldn't even get an account until I built a damn site for them and even though I would expect 24 hour webvmaster assistance and new account approval I was just told I have to wait until tomorrow morning until "The guys" get back in the office to approve my account if the site is acceptable.

For christ sakes, is there a difference between me putting up a generic site http://www.captainsex.com with crappy pictures and one BS Banner... Does that mean I am not going to commit fraud? There are much easier ways to deter this type of thing suich as a global database amongst paysite programs.

Seriously, Why are the affiliate programs SO lacking that are out there nowadays? I am really shocked at the lack of insight some of these multi million dollar companies have. For christ sakes ALOT of it is copying the wheel, the rest of it is a tiny bit of innovation and building a solid track record.

These guys have millions ooozing out and they are all going to be fly by night companies who made the same mistakes I did.
</venting>

[slavdogg]

:headwall: :wankit:

[*KK*]

Probably because 90% of affiliates out there suck.

[Hell Puppy]

You mean there's a way to promote a site other than via TGP's?

:matey:

[BillPMB]

The thumbs won't display in any other browser except explorer because your html is wrong.

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Your slashes are bass ackwards.

Who do programs not share information? Because I'm sure topbucks et al would absolutely love to have the 17,000+ names, addresses, email addys of folks that have signed up for PMB since 97. That ain't gonna happen. ;)

You can start with me this morning Ryan, I remember you from way back on YNOT. (if you are the same Ryan Lalane)

[RyanLanane]

KK, Simmer down girl... Was a blanket statement about how suprised I am about the relatively lack of content and NO not just for TGP posters. The number and choices for banners is minimal. Hell I had more banners to choose from back when I ran Transvestite Teasers. There are also alot of other things, but no use getting into an argument I really don't have the time and I'm on no sleep so I'm a little bit 'bitchy'

Bill - That is a generic page - won't be the final page ... I have to have something up in order for the sponsers to approve me at 90% of these damn proggies... Yep same Lalane ;)

When you code on 30 hours of sleep all you care about is it showing up right in your browser at that time lol ... Final error testing etc will be conducted once the network is setup and ready to roll..

Nothing that hasn't been done before I am sure but I plan on miling the traffic for every last bit I can and utilizing it properly - seeing how effective it is and moving on to the next thing. I see no way it can't make me a profit of $5,000 a month from what I have read the last 4 days or so amonst multiple webmaster boards.

Haven't checked out PMB in a long while, you guys used to run only recurring... If that has changed I'll pop in and take a peek.

Ryan

[BillPMB]

Your code is still wrong.

We still run recurring. I'll be happy to let you go PPS, but I'm gonna take the razor to ya. ;)

[RyanLanane]

:D Bill

I changed the Code just for you, now the Screwy code on the Half Page Ad is Colin's Fault (I think lol) the fact that the pics aren't aligned properly yet is mine... :D

[JoesHO]

Ryan, would you list out for me please what your idea of a perfect pps model program would be ?

We are in the midst of buildiing one, and would love a seasoned pros feedback on what to inculde.

We intend to have invite only affiliates on most of the sites.

However just to do our own comparisons, we will have a couple sites that we let anyone and everyone push as an affiliate

so if you think each different model ( quantity or quality ) model is needinf something different could you be specific as to wich one one needs the different specs, etc....

[RyanLanane]

Joe, no offense but it would take me a half a day to a full day to fully describe in a 'thesis' type of paper exactly what the perfect type of program would be. If you have in questions in particular feel free to PM me though... All I know is I am finding it a bitch to create even Ten TGP Main pages with a decent semi-professional look with the advertising material I am being given.

ARS, I can't get into (W-9 Form)
Top Cash or whatever, still waiting...

CEN Has the best out of all but I mean come on you have to push something besides reality sites...

[JoesHO]

Originally posted by RyanLanane@Feb 10 2005, 08:18 AM
Joe, no offense but it would take me a half a day to a full day to fully describe in a 'thesis' type of paper exactly what the perfect type of program would be. If you have in questions in particular feel free to PM me though... All I know is I am finding it a bitch to create even Ten TGP Main pages with a decent semi-professional look with the advertising material I am being given.

ARS, I can't get into (W-9 Form)
Top Cash or whatever, still waiting...

CEN Has the best out of all but I mean come on you have to push something besides reality sites...
Take a look at Karups, I know charlie over there would give you just about anything you need . if you like what you see let me know I will get him in touch with you .

[Vick]

Originally posted by BillPMB@Feb 10 2005, 09:37 AM
Your code is still wrong.

We still run recurring. I'll be happy to let you go PPS, but I'm gonna take the razor to ya. ;)
:wnw:

I have the utmost respect for that statement

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by RyanLanane@Feb 10 2005, 08:18 AM
Joe, no offense but it would take me a half a day to a full day to fully describe in a 'thesis' type of paper exactly what the perfect type of program would be. If you have in questions in particular feel free to PM me though... All I know is I am finding it a bitch to create even Ten TGP Main pages with a decent semi-professional look with the advertising material I am being given.

ARS, I can't get into (W-9 Form)
Top Cash or whatever, still waiting...

CEN Has the best out of all but I mean come on you have to push something besides reality sites...
Try the sponsors on here.

I betcha they will hook you up.

[BillPMB]

lol thanks Vick.

You could always trust the GBU

http://www.goodbadugly.info/good.html

[*KK*]

Originally posted by RyanLanane@Feb 10 2005, 06:17 AM
KK, Simmer down girl... Was a blanket statement about how suprised I am about the relatively lack of content and NO not just for TGP posters. The number and choices for banners is minimal. Hell I had more banners to choose from back when I ran Transvestite Teasers. There are also alot of other things, but no use getting into an argument I really don't have the time and I'm on no sleep so I'm a little bit 'bitchy'

There's nothing to argue about Ryan. Affiliates these days think that you should give them content, build their pages, host them for them, cut them a check for sales way in excess of what their sales are worth, bring the check to their house, wash their car and hand them an extra hundred in cash on your way out.

Find me one program owner that doesn't agree in private and I'll wash your car and cook you lunch.

[SykkBoy]

Originally posted by *KK*+Feb 10 2005, 03:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (*KK* @ Feb 10 2005, 03:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-RyanLanane@Feb 10 2005, 06:17 AM
KK, Simmer down girl... Was a blanket statement about how suprised I am about the relatively lack of content and NO not just for TGP posters. The number and choices for banners is minimal. Hell I had more banners to choose from back when I ran Transvestite Teasers. There are also alot of other things, but no use getting into an argument I really don't have the time and I'm on no sleep so I'm a little bit 'bitchy'

There's nothing to argue about Ryan. Affiliates these days think that you should give them content, build their pages, host them for them, cut them a check for sales way in excess of what their sales are worth, bring the check to their house, wash their car and hand them an extra hundred in cash on your way out.

Find me one program owner that doesn't agree in private and I'll wash your car and cook you lunch. [/b][/quote]
we have no problems stating that publicly ;-)

the ones who makje the most with our program aren't the guys just grabbing a bunch of FHG links and pasting them into a page...it's the guys take our content and build their own galleries, banners, etc. They know their traffic better than we do...we only offer the content because we shoot exclusive and don't want to deal with surfers who saw a particular girl on a gallery and she's not in the site (or he might run to GFY and post about our processors being ripoff artists ;-))

[RyanLanane]

Originally posted by *KK*+Feb 10 2005, 12:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (*KK* @ Feb 10 2005, 12:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-RyanLanane@Feb 10 2005, 06:17 AM
KK, Simmer down girl... Was a blanket statement about how suprised I am about the relatively lack of content and NO not just for TGP posters. The number and choices for banners is minimal. Hell I had more banners to choose from back when I ran Transvestite Teasers. There are also alot of other things, but no use getting into an argument I really don't have the time and I'm on no sleep so I'm a little bit 'bitchy'

There's nothing to argue about Ryan. Affiliates these days think that you should give them content, build their pages, host them for them, cut them a check for sales way in excess of what their sales are worth, bring the check to their house, wash their car and hand them an extra hundred in cash on your way out.

Find me one program owner that doesn't agree in private and I'll wash your car and cook you lunch.[/b][/quote]

KK, are you forgetting that I owned a program for years?

I will be the first to agree with you, the people I sent checks out to for $2K + a week didn't ask for a thing.... The people I sent checks out for $50 however wanted a tracking number for U.S. mail. They also wanted every promotional tool ever known to man, which I did give them. My sales went up, word of mouth went around... etc

I think you mis understood the point of my post, I don't want them to make my galleries - to the contrary. I do however expect to have a larger variety of banners and more than somewhere between 5-20 banners for the most POPULAR sites out there on the most popular programs, now that is just plain horrible. I understand you are going for branding, but you should obviously have a bigger selection. I don't know which program you are working for now KK, but post it and lmk and I'll send ya a thought or two. Thought you were working for Epass now.

The foundations of these programs haven't changed except fancier wording, a little more content, and cheaper bandwidth since I left. Everything is pretty much run in still the same fashion it was "up front" anyways.

P.S. Those little guys all together accounted for a good 1/3 of my income (added up) over the year so they paid for quite a few vacations and 'losing sessions' at vegas for me.. :) Catering to them was a bitch but when I saw a guy go from 1 sale a week to 4-5 a day because the help I gave him and his hard work in return, it paid us both off.

[gonzo]

Originally posted by RyanLanane@Feb 10 2005, 07:00 PM
Thought you were working for Epass now.


Whats Epass?

[*KK*]

Originally posted by RyanLanane@Feb 10 2005, 04:00 PM
KK, are you forgetting that I owned a program for years?

I don't know which program you are working for now KK, but post it and lmk and I'll send ya a thought or two. Thought you were working for Epass now.

Nah, I'm not forgetting a thing. You'd probably be better off starting some new sites and sending traffic to them yourself than trying to be an affiliate now imo, but that's up to you.

I don't really work for anyone these days, I've got content contracts with movie studios and produce a turnkey VOD backend for a select group of programs, underwrite merchant accounts, and work with a mobile content delivery company on biz dev and market strategies for adult.

I also happen to believe that the affiliate program has brought this industry to its knees in many ways and if it went away tomorrow, I wouldn't shed a tear. Surfers looking for porn would still be out there just like they are today, but the inflated and overpriced payouts that programs promise coupled with the ever shrinking margins they end up with because of the same thing is just not a viable business model if you look at it from a purely economic standpoint. BillPMB's comment pretty much summed it up.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by *KK*@Feb 9 2005, 08:48 PM
Probably because 90% of affiliates out there suck.
Only 90%?

[cj]

KK

:wnw:
well said in every post!


>>>There are much easier ways to deter this type of thing such as a global database amongst paysite programs.

LOL

why would a company who has spent a fortune on fraud control want to use those assets to help their competition save money?

:unsure:

Ryan - your points are all valid - but you are assuming that an affiliate program needs your traffic. There are so many affiliates with so much traffic these days, very few programs care about the masses ... and why would they?

Affiliates are leeches generally, and no matter how tenderly you wipe their ass there will always be someone who shits on your hand.

It was only a matter of time. There are NO other business models, apart from MLM, which allow the number of affiliates to represent a product as adult does. Try getting permission to stock Toshiba in your computer store and see if you can do it with a 15 field form and a T&C tick box.

There's only 1 way in life to avoid being disappointed .... don't expect so much.

[RyanLanane]

I agree with both of you, If I could go back I would of backed the CDA like no other KK trust me!! I think it would of kept the few people in the know back then at the top rather than watching their income dissipate due to increased competition and more surfer knowledge. The lack of free porn or the difficulty of getting it would of increased EVERYONE's bottom line. And like most busi8nesses if you didn't get in the ground floor you better have money to get in the later years.

I still have a foul place in my heart especially for those damn free sites that said "Just Signup and cancel You won't ever get billed". Those were lovely. Than again the free trial which Ron started is actually when ALOT of the trouble started in this industry period. The surfers than expected free trials, if you didn't have them you lost 50% of your signups seemingly overnight - so everyone switched of course.

Maybe I am asking for too much and maybe I am expecting too much hopping back into the industry as a nobody. If nothing else, this thread has given me alot of things to think about on what I need to do if I really want to succeed coming back into the business.