Do "webmasters" backdate when they started?

[Almighty Colin]

What's with all the webmasters who claim to have started in '96 or '97 that I've never heard of? I guess it's possible. Maybe a lot of people just finding the boards for the first time?

[OldJeff]

I believe it is some of each. Some where just not known until more recently, some are full of shit.

Sponsors are another good one for this, paying webmasters since 96 is on a hell of a lot more programs than were in existence.

August 97 for my start

[NickPapageorgio]

I'll admit it...


...I was pouring concrete walls in '96 :P

[Opti]

Originally posted by Almighty Colin@Feb 7 2005, 10:56 PM
What's with all the webmasters who claim to have started in '96 or '97 that I've never heard of? I guess it's possible. Maybe a lot of people just finding the boards for the first time?
Ha! Colin this is funny timing... I have 1997 on one of my pages that I was about to update.. and was just thinking to myself.. "hmmm is that really correct or was I just exagerating when I put that originally on page?"

First domain I bought was 1999.. but I played around as a part time hobby on freehosts for ages.. I started when c.o.n.d.o.m. very first appeared.. think slightly before Serge dragged the Ynot crowd over I think (anyone know that date?)

Anyway.. I have an excuse of having not cared about the event to recall the date that baldbastard finally convinced me to look at adult as a way to internet riches (I was all keyed up to make websites for small companies at the time.. thank r-n he saved me!)

BUT.. you are dead right about 1997 being a popular date... I saw some tossers who write articles for a webmaster newsletter claim they had started in 97 recently... people who I first met through them asking how to get started in about 2001 :matey:


Will the rest of the Class of '97 stand up and be counted :rokk: (if you dare) LOL

[Maxime]

This was the oldest I could find:

Subject: IMPORTANT INFORMATION - Welcome to XCash Advertising
From: xcash-support@xpics.com
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 08:03:33

I started earlier though. I think my first sponsor was via PennyWeb(?).

But... the early days were cool.
Sponsors like Cyberthrill Casino were paying .25 flat per unique. Conversion didn't matter and shaving wasn't invented yet. Made tons with them for more than a year.

Suddenly they stopped paying everyone.

Didn't matter what you emailed, they placed this auto reply on their support mailbox:


Subject: Our Final Response
From: Cyber Thrill Casino <sponsor@cyberthrill.com>
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 11:25:17

Our Final Response
------------------

If you have not received a check within two weeks of the date that
the check was sent on, please stop advertising for us.

We have a sophisticated tracking and fraud control system.
The traffic you sent us has been continuously monitored.
It did not meet the required pay back criteria for this program.
Your account has been banned automatically and you will not be
paid for your past hits. Our decision on this matter is final -
please do not send any more inquiries about previous checks.

We admit that we should have informed you of this decision in advance.
However, due to the large number of advertisers and the large volume
of fraudulent activity, it takes a few weeks to gather full statistics
on each account.

Finally, if you would like a more personal advertising support,
you may contact "Cash For Clicks" at www.cashforclicks.com,
an independent agency that does advertising for us.

Thank you,

Security Department
Cyberthrill Advertising
sponsor@cyberthrill.com

[Peaches]

There are webmasters who started back then that you've probably STILL never heard of :awinky:

[JoesHO]

in 97 I was tearing buildings down, and exporting containers of wood to Japan!

Bought my first computer in around april or may of 2002

around November of 2002 was my entrance into adult online arena.

first hit GFY ( my first board, told was the best place to start LOL) in around april or may of 2003

First convention was Jan 2003 internext.

[RyanLanane]

Those were the golden days, I would KILL to go back to 1996, fresh out of high School. Al Hadhazy paying me $.02 per click and I made $300 or so a week and I thought I was GOD, lol!!!!

That was until I followed in Serge's footsteps for a while and click brokered and got my first check for $5,000.00 from ScottPB 4 months or so out of high school ;)

Colin, Serge, get a couple others, and we should put a "Prove you were around in 96-97" Quiz ;)

None of this easy Multiple Choice Shit, 500 questions... An essay describing the changes over the years, LOL J/K - Would be interesting though for a simple quiz to see how many claim they go back way than that would 'pass' :)

First Question, what was COTAC and who was John? :) And what does COTAC have to do with something else I already mentioned in this post :D

[gonzo]

Youd be amazed at how many people still dont bother with webmaster boards. Answering a quiz isnt relevant...making cash is!

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by RyanLanane@Feb 7 2005, 09:51 AM
Colin, Serge, get a couple others, and we should put a "Prove you were around in 96-97" Quiz ;)
I verified mine this morning to myself. webarchive has an Oct, 1996 reference to my first non-adult business. My first two clients were adult sites and I started a 50/50 split with one of them on any traffic I could generate. Not sure how long before October that would have been.

[OldJeff]

We (Maxcash) did something like this a while ago - gave away some cash to the first person to answer all 10 questions correctly.

As I recall - Colin was one of the correct answers.

[Anthony]

I had a piss with someone over the weekend who I've never heard of till GFY.

I know where you are coming from.

[RyanLanane]

Gonzo, it was a joke mate :D

As far as I remember there were no webmaster boards in mid 1996, maybe program webmaster boards if even that. Other than that, if there were I don't remember visiting them off hand. I believe it was 1997 when webmaster boards startng popping up in droves... YNOT being the first one I remember spending time at.

Than again, just because I didn't see them doesn't mean they weren't there ...

[Peaches]

I think Jonathon's was before YNOT. I know I was reading it before YNOT but never posted on it.

[RyanLanane]

Holler? You may be right ... I remember my first paysite was cyberbitches.com

We split the profit down the middle, I believe he did it with multiple people. Joe did very well for himself and from what I hear is living a good life to this day.

[MaDalton]

damn, i guess i should have done a bit more in 1997 than looking for Adultcheck passwords. <_<

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by OldJeff@Feb 7 2005, 10:20 AM
We (Maxcash) did something like this a while ago - gave away some cash to the first person to answer all 10 questions correctly.

As I recall - Colin was one of the correct answers.
:zoinks:

[Vick]

Easy to prove as if that mattered

http://web.archive.org/web/19980517100453/...ertainment.com/ (http://web.archive.org/web/19980517100453/http://www.cloud9entertainment.com/)

First I show up is 5/98, I started 8/97

[Nickatilynx]

ilynx.com - Record created on 08-Apr-1997

Plus I was around 4-6 mths on sh.janey.net

And a couple of mths before that on a UK host , but GBP 6000 of bandwidth in mth 1 against income of $30 , I left lol

I remeber readibng YNOT for yonks before I got the nerve to post.

[Titan]

my first website wasnt really a website more a sharing of information between a network of army computers to save data from being destroyed in case they got attacked in one location was in the 80's sometime although im not allowed to talk more about it due to national security .. pssh to the 90's webmasters

[Sharpie]

Wll, mine is easy... Noga drug me to my first convention in Orlando in '97. I bought my first domain shortly after...Pornpuppy.com We did the first show (Web Expo) in June '98. The first Peoples Chocie awards were a ball - no politics. We had Miss USA there & Asia Carrera.

[Almighty Colin]

Remember this?

http://web.archive.org/web/19990116233330/..._adult_100.html (http://web.archive.org/web/19990116233330/www.digits.com/top/both_adult_100.html)

Check out #17.

[Nickatilynx]

aha!!!! LOL

Check number 19 ;-))

http://web.archive.org/web/19980630033930/...com/table0.html (http://web.archive.org/web/19980630033930/www.xxxcounter.com/table0.html)

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Feb 7 2005, 12:16 PM
aha!!!! LOL

Check number 19 ;-))

http://web.archive.org/web/19980630033930/...com/table0.html (http://web.archive.org/web/19980630033930/www.xxxcounter.com/table0.html)
:okthumb:

[Nickatilynx]

Aren't the names interesting on those lists...lol

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Feb 7 2005, 12:35 PM
Aren't the names interesting on those lists...lol
Oh, yeah. I remember trying all kinds of names to see what people would click on.

Very successful -> 10 free pics (I think it was the first such named site)
Big failure -> Invisible girls

[TheEnforcer]

I just know I was still in college when I got my start so I'm pretty damn sure it was no later than 1998.

[JerryW]

late-98 early 99 here. I remember Serge's revolt and exit to Condom quite well.

Shit, I'd wish I knew what I knew now in the late 80's/early 90's and Usenet was the internet and bbs was big. i would have made a killing then

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Almighty Colin+Feb 7 2005, 09:45 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Almighty Colin @ Feb 7 2005, 09:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@Feb 7 2005, 12:35 PM
Aren't the names interesting on those lists...lol
Oh, yeah. I remember trying all kinds of names to see what people would click on.

Very successful -> 10 free pics (I think it was the first such named site)
Big failure -> Invisible girls [/b][/quote]
LOL

I remember when I did the Condom challenge , and people went nuts when they kept seeing my titles on the top list.

"Some sick fuck is selling kiddy porn , Nick!!"
"Fuck!!! where?"
"It says "Only 15 !! Teen pics!!!"
"We'll there's only 15 pics , of a teen LOL"


For a load of webmasters it was educational. ;-))

And those were tame for some of the toplist link titles...

Wasn't it Flashcash guys that did "Rhino fucking teens" ? LOL

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Feb 7 2005, 01:00 PM
"Some sick fuck is selling kiddy porn , Nick!!"
"Fuck!!! where?"
"It says "Only 15 !! Teen pics!!!"
"We'll there's only 15 pics , of a teen LOL"
RawAlex must have been mad at you. I remember a debate on the subject. I defended you. ;-)

[sarettah]

I think most webmasters lie their ass off. I know that all the folks that claim to have been there at the beginning were not known to me back when I was first inventing the internet back in 1890. (those were the days baby, ton's of free bandwidth and me and hollerith were the only two making any bling) :yowsa:

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Feb 7 2005, 01:00 PM
Wasn't it Flashcash guys that did "Rhino fucking teens" ? LOL
Weren't those guys called "the Rhino boys"?

[RyanLanane]

If you have ever met DK, you would not be suprised he came up with such a name :D

[Almighty Colin]

Here's a memory. Back sometime in the 90s I had a site called "10 free pics". It was getting about 10k visitors/day circle-jerk. One day I was thinking about how the top 50's worked and realized that if I sent a lot of traffic at the reset that I would end up high on the lists. So I set my alarm to (I think) 3am (midnight PT) and set a huge font size = +4 link to adult origin on top for an hour. After the reset I was about number 10 on the list and that traffic came in and went out to other toplists. The next night I stayed up and redirected the entire front page to adult origin and ended up number one. Then I did it with Cliffies. The site site went to 100k visitors/day in less than a week. Of course, I did it for a bunch of other sites too and then all the consoles (like Robin's). I must have been pushing 300k CJ traffic/day within a month.

I did this for weeks on end. Eventually I had a list of all the reset times and would keep setting my alarm to wake up at odd hours and do it again. Then I started to burn out so I called a friend of mine from college and asked him how I could automate it. He taught me how to use the crontab to move files around at different times. Pretty brute force but it worked. (He also said we could cheat by simulating "hits "and I said I didn't want to do that - that getting caught could ruin once's rep.)

I was talking to "Fantasyman" that week and he asked me that week where I was getting so much traffic. I told him I had always had it.

One night Spanker called me at 3am and asked me what the hell I was doing. I must have been tired. I told him. Within a week he had a site with more traffic than me. He trumped me with "10 teen pics". Either he told others or others figured it out because within a few months everyone was doing it.

Years later I saw a traffic trading script that had a feature to send traffic at scheduled times.

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by RyanLanane@Feb 7 2005, 01:07 PM
If you have ever met DK, you would not be suprised he came up with such a name :D
Ryan and I talked on the phone today. We were discussing what a cocky bastard he was when he was 18! ;-)

[OldJeff]

Originally posted by Almighty Colin+Feb 7 2005, 01:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Almighty Colin @ Feb 7 2005, 01:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@Feb 7 2005, 01:00 PM
Wasn't it Flashcash guys that did "Rhino fucking teens" ? LOL
Weren't those guys called "the Rhino boys"? [/b][/quote]
My favorite CJ link I have ever seen was "People Fucking Watermelons"

[Almighty Colin]

CJ sites. I remember people getting pissed because of us having 3 exit consoles on a site - saying we were fucking the surfer. Now the sponsors have 5.

[Peaches]

Who came up with Cum Gurgling Cheerleaders?

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Almighty Colin@Feb 7 2005, 10:19 AM
Here's a memory. Back sometime in the 90s I had a site called "10 free pics". It was getting about 10k visitors/day circle-jerk. One day I was thinking about how the top 50's worked and realized that if I sent a lot of traffic at the reset that I would end up high on the lists. So I set my alarm to (I think) 3am (midnight PT) and set a huge font size = +4 link to adult origin on top for an hour. After the reset I was about number 10 on the list and that traffic came in and went out to other toplists. The next night I stayed up and redirected the entire front page to adult origin and ended up number one. Then I did it with Cliffies. The site site went to 100k visitors/day in less than a week. Of course, I did it for a bunch of other sites too and then all the consoles (like Robin's). I must have been pushing 300k CJ traffic/day within a month.

I did this for weeks on end. Eventually I had a list of all the reset times and would keep setting my alarm to wake up at odd hours and do it again. Then I started to burn out so I called a friend of mine from college and asked him how I could automate it. He taught me how to use the crontab to move files around at different times. Pretty brute force but it worked. (He also said we could cheat by simulating "hits "and I said I didn't want to do that - that getting caught could ruin once's rep.)

I was talking to "Fantasyman" that week and he asked me that week where I was getting so much traffic. I told him I had always had it.

One night Spanker called me at 3am and asked me what the hell I was doing. I must have been tired. I told him. Within a week he had a site with more traffic than me. He trumped me with "10 teen pics". Either he told others or others figured it out because within a few months everyone was doing it.

Years later I saw a traffic trading script that had a feature to send traffic at scheduled times.
I used to wait til YNOTs toplist reset , then kick the living crap out of it.

I wasn't that sophisticated , I just clicked it myself as many times as I could when it reset :)

That traffic was pure gold!!!

There surfers had never seen a blind link or a console in there life.

ahahahahahahahahahahahahhaha :)

I'd get caught occasionally by Khan for having popups or blinds and be removed , then I'd change the site back to nice.

Ya know...I only did CONDOM/Netpond cause they would never let me be a member of YNOT...... :(

The time when I finally went "fuck this!!" was when I got beaten in the vote by some Asian chick...shit , can't remember her site

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Feb 7 2005, 01:39 PM
I wasn't that sophisticated , I just clicked it myself as many times as I could when it reset :)
hahahahahahahahaha!

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Peaches@Feb 7 2005, 01:33 PM
Who came up with Cum Gurgling Cheerleaders?
Can't remember. Was that the guy with the nickname "Catholic" something?

[RyanLanane]

Originally posted by Almighty Colin+Feb 7 2005, 10:21 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Almighty Colin @ Feb 7 2005, 10:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-RyanLanane@Feb 7 2005, 01:07 PM
If you have ever met DK, you would not be suprised he came up with such a name :D
Ryan and I talked on the phone today. We were discussing what a cocky bastard he was when he was 18! ;-)[/b][/quote]

I'm still cocky, just not NEARLY as Cocky as I was B)

Some of the 'debates' me and Serge had leading somehow to my nymphomaniac girlfriend will forever be etched in my mind - LOL

BTW Colin, Spank told me about that one lol... :ph34r:

In fact I enjoyed many of Top 3 spots on all the Top lists for weeks in a row. After a while it got to be like the Infoseek instant submissions, JESUS THAT WAS A NIGHTMARE!!!

Did you catch on when me and Spank started to wait the first 3 hours after a reset THAN Bombard over the people waiting for the reset? LOL

Was good talking to you earlier btw Colin - Time for me to get some ZZZzzzz's

[Anthony]

Originally posted by OldJeff+Feb 7 2005, 10:28 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (OldJeff @ Feb 7 2005, 10:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Almighty Colin@Feb 7 2005, 01:05 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@Feb 7 2005, 01:00 PM
Wasn't it Flashcash guys that did "Rhino fucking teens" ? LOL
Weren't those guys called "the Rhino boys"?
My favorite CJ link I have ever seen was "People Fucking Watermelons" [/b][/quote]
Mine was: "Are you a moron?" Then give them a yes or no to click on.

[Opti]

Originally posted by Anthony+Feb 8 2005, 05:33 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Anthony @ Feb 8 2005, 05:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by OldJeff@Feb 7 2005, 10:28 AM
Originally posted by Almighty Colin@Feb 7 2005, 01:05 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@Feb 7 2005, 01:00 PM
Wasn't it Flashcash guys that did "Rhino fucking teens" ? LOL
Weren't those guys called "the Rhino boys"?
My favorite CJ link I have ever seen was "People Fucking Watermelons"
Mine was: "Are you a moron?" Then give them a yes or no to click on. [/b][/quote]
Every Bloody Day... the top link on Anarchy Links was "Wild Rhinos"

I never knew why he used that text link... wonder if that was DK too

Wasn't there two groups of people using the name Rhino at one stage?




And.. talk about everything old is new again.. :)

http://web.archive.org/web/20010803200653/...embers/icqlist/ (http://web.archive.org/web/20010803200653/www.netpond.com/members/icqlist/)

[KevinG]

I started "consuming" online porn back in the BBS days, around '93. Didn't get into the business until 2001.

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by RyanLanane@Feb 7 2005, 02:22 PM
BTW Colin, Spank told me about that one lol... :ph34r:
That fucker.

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Anthony+Feb 7 2005, 02:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Anthony @ Feb 7 2005, 02:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by OldJeff@Feb 7 2005, 10:28 AM
Originally posted by Almighty Colin@Feb 7 2005, 01:05 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@Feb 7 2005, 01:00 PM
Wasn't it Flashcash guys that did "Rhino fucking teens" ? LOL
Weren't those guys called "the Rhino boys"?
My favorite CJ link I have ever seen was "People Fucking Watermelons"
Mine was: "Are you a moron?" Then give them a yes or no to click on. [/b][/quote]
Ant, I remember calling you begging you not to release a free version of a script I was making $100k/month on.

[dantheman]

thougth out the years we've(m3) have been around we've had a bunch of webmasters who made bank and never went to any boards, shows or anything webmaster related. Just worked and made money. I would mention something about netpond,ynot, etc...and they would have no idea or something like yeah I've seen it just dont have to the time to "chat"

It's been fun to watch the years go by for sure, can't wait to see the future :)

[JFK]

99 here :rokk: and My first show was Sharpies Web Expo in Montreal :okthumb:

[slavdogg]

i have a 6 cent check from IEG from Nov 96
beat that :P

[sextoyking]

Slav,

and I thought I had the lowest one at 7 cents, hahaha :)

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by slavdogg@Feb 7 2005, 05:08 PM
i have a 6 cent check from IEG from Nov 96
beat that :P
You should deposit that.

[slavdogg]

Originally posted by Almighty Colin+Feb 7 2005, 05:12 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Almighty Colin @ Feb 7 2005, 05:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-slavdogg@Feb 7 2005, 05:08 PM
i have a 6 cent check from IEG from Nov 96
beat that :P
You should deposit that. [/b][/quote]
that baby is priceless

[cj]

Originally posted by slavdogg@Feb 7 2005, 05:08 PM
i have a 6 cent check from IEG from Nov 96
beat that :P
I hope its in a frame!! LOL


Colin, people definately backdate when they started ... it seems to be almost standard to put 'online since 1997' on a site, almost as important as '100 000 pics, 10 000 videos, 50 000 stories' :biglaugh:

I started in April 1998, a month after my 21st b'day. The first person I spoke to in the industry was Todd (STK). Launched purve in July 98 and went to my first show in Jan 1999 at the monte carlo. I met Serge & Em, Webfather and Terry & his wife Sarah from Tropixxx hosting in New York before the show and KK once I arrived at the show.

I missed most of the big bucks because I was too busy enjoying myself, but got one hell of an education!!!

[*KK*]

LOL, I did start my nonadult ventures in 97, but it was 99 before I found my way to the dark side. If there was anything internet related I could do over, it would have to be skipping the non-adult stuff entirely, it was way too far ahead of its time. People just weren't going to pay 3k for a sofa they saw on a dial up connection...

I got pretty lucky when I started in adult, between Nick and Tommy yelling at me with their funny accents all the time about how bad my sites were, how pretty they were, how they made the surfer want to stay instead of clicking on a sponsor link, how I was never going to make it in this business, you name it... it really taught me that it takes a tough skin to manage with this crowd.

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by *KK*@Feb 7 2005, 06:35 PM
how they made the surfer want to stay instead of clicking on a sponsor link
:okthumb:

[Anthony]

Shit, I just backdated myself on GFY.

I started back in December 98. That's pretty close to 7 years, huh?

:)

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by *KK*@Feb 7 2005, 03:35 PM


I got pretty lucky when I started in adult, between Nick and Tommy yelling at me with their funny accents all the time about how bad my sites were, how pretty they were, how they made the surfer want to stay instead of clicking on a sponsor link, how I was never going to make it in this business,
Well , nevermind , there's always this year....



;-)))

[Lisa]

I was just logging thru some IRC logs to see if I could date it precisely...I know it was sometime in the second half of 98 that I first got involved.

Interesting tho...I did find some aLove logs. ;)

[MissEve]

I put up my first site in Sept. 95! Holy shit....have I been doing this for almost ten years? <crying>

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by MissEve@Feb 7 2005, 07:16 PM
I put up my first site in Sept. 95! Holy shit....have I been doing this for almost ten years? <crying>
Still selling panties? ;-)

[MissEve]

No panties and no enema videos! lol

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by MissEve@Feb 7 2005, 07:42 PM
no enema videos!
The end of an era.

[MissEve]

My attorney made me stop selling them back in 99 or so :(

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by MissEve@Feb 7 2005, 07:50 PM
My attorney made me stop selling them back in 99 or so :(
No shit?

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Almighty Colin+Feb 7 2005, 07:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Almighty Colin @ Feb 7 2005, 07:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-MissEve@Feb 7 2005, 07:50 PM
My attorney made me stop selling them back in 99 or so :(
No shit? [/b][/quote]
I'm still laughing at myself.

[cj]

Originally posted by Almighty Colin+Feb 7 2005, 07:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Almighty Colin @ Feb 7 2005, 07:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-MissEve@Feb 7 2005, 07:50 PM
My attorney made me stop selling them back in 99 or so :(
No shit? [/b][/quote]
LMAO!!!

[*KK*]

Originally posted by Almighty Colin+Feb 7 2005, 04:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Almighty Colin @ Feb 7 2005, 04:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Almighty Colin@Feb 7 2005, 07:55 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-MissEve@Feb 7 2005, 07:50 PM
My attorney made me stop selling them back in 99 or so :(
No shit?
I'm still laughing at myself. [/b][/quote]
Good thing you are, it wasn't that punny, err funny, I mean. ;)

[MissEve]

You dork!! lol Those videos used to go for $100 a pop!

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by MissEve@Feb 7 2005, 08:02 PM
You dork!! lol Those videos used to go for $100 a pop!
You said dork.

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by *KK*@Feb 7 2005, 08:01 PM
punny
Dork

[*KK*]

Originally posted by Almighty Colin+Feb 7 2005, 05:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Almighty Colin @ Feb 7 2005, 05:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-*KK*@Feb 7 2005, 08:01 PM
punny
Dork [/b][/quote]
I see how you are conducting yourself! The next thing you know, you'll be talking politics or religion with me. ;)

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by *KK*+Feb 7 2005, 09:51 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (*KK* @ Feb 7 2005, 09:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Almighty Colin@Feb 7 2005, 05:05 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-*KK*@Feb 7 2005, 08:01 PM
punny
Dork
I see how you are conducting yourself! The next thing you know, you'll be talking politics or religion with me. ;) [/b][/quote]
Israel and Palestinians declare cease-fire. Again.

[grimm]

Originally posted by MissEve@Feb 7 2005, 04:16 PM
I put up my first site in Sept. 95! Holy shit....have I been doing this for almost ten years? <crying>
enemarotica?

[grimm]

i think that timetables get messed up. people correlate webmaster boards with the industry.. which is n ot one to one, so we end up with mismatched dates.

I registered my first adult domain, whosyourdaddy.com, in march of 1996. i lost that one when i accidently let it expire (irony there is palpable). But before that i had dabbled in adult through other hosting companies, using subdomains, and ~ acounts.

previously, i had dealt in online tgraffic only in mainstream, through the commonwealth network, and did HTML work and Design on the side, as well as scripting. This is while i was in college, so id place my first income solely from the internet at somewhere around the beginning of 1995, meaning that i have passed 10 years and now feel terribly old:)

[grimm]

Originally posted by cj@Feb 7 2005, 03:19 PM


Colin, people definately backdate when they started ... it seems to be almost standard to put 'online since 1997' on a site, almost as important as '100 000 pics, 10 000 videos, 50 000 stories' :biglaugh:

50 thousand stories?

Thats like 50 eggs.

[Mr Benn]

I wrote a piece of Hit Bot code in 1999 as a proof of concept. I saw people releasing them, and all they did was directly get a URL and sent no headers etc. Very easy to detect.

The one i made sent full HTTP headers, with referrer and useragent, and also grabbed images that were on the page etc, to make the server logs look real :)

It was very basic and shitty, and just really designed to make people think more and be more inventive with stuff they coded like that.

A friend of mine put it on his webpage for download, and it ended up on big security portal/tool sites. A guy in Oz found it and sent me a mail asking if i'd like to work on some porn projects with him.

It's still online at its original home aswell :) http://www.ccitt5.net/archives/gma-click.c.gz

/*
** gma-click.c -- Standard 'click' version -- By GMA -- c5.hakker.com
**
** This program doesn't really do anything special. I just saw certain
** 'pr0n clickers' out there and thought they could be improved in a
** couple of ways, so put this together.
**
** 1) Delay for a random period.
** 2) Connect to web server through wingate.
** 3) Provide the web server with various headers from the alleged
** client including random "User-Agent" values and "Referer" values.
** 4) Download relevant images aswell as html to make the connection
** look legit.
**
** Before you run this you have to add lines like the one on line 104 for
** each piece of html/gif/jpeg you want to download. Read the code and
** figure it all out, then change what you want changing.
**
** (NB: Use only hostnames in the wingate file.)
*/

I didn't use it for any sneaky purposes!

[slavdogg]

Originally posted by grimm@Feb 8 2005, 05:21 AM
I registered my first adult domain, whosyourdaddy.com, in march of 1996. i lost that one when i accidently let it expire (irony there is palpable).
thats funny
grimm, that piece of history is in good hands

commonwealth network, i used them as well.
i couldnt get enough page views in nonadult, had to put em on a pornsite to finally get paid

[grimm]

Originally posted by slavdogg+Feb 8 2005, 04:15 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (slavdogg @ Feb 8 2005, 04:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-grimm@Feb 8 2005, 05:21 AM
I registered my first adult domain, whosyourdaddy.com, in march of 1996. i lost that one when i accidently let it expire (irony there is palpable).
thats funny
grimm, that piece of history is in good hands

[/b][/quote]
i lost track of who had it. you know slav?;)

[grimm]

Originally posted by slavdogg@Feb 8 2005, 04:15 AM

commonwealth network, i used them as well.
i couldnt get enough page views in nonadult, had to put em on a pornsite to finally get paid
we were doing clipart sites.. averaging 150-200 page views per visitor at times. commonwealth's only problem is they paid 90 days after cycle.

[Jesse_DD]

Originally posted by slavdogg@Feb 7 2005, 02:08 PM
i have a 6 cent check from IEG from Nov 96
beat that :P
Slav - it cost them more to send that check :awinky:

[kath]

Originally posted by Anthony@Feb 7 2005, 03:45 PM
Shit, I just backdated myself on GFY.

I started back in December 98. That's pretty close to 7 years, huh?

:)
Hey Ant -

We were newbies together on CONDOM so I can definitely vouch for you NOT back-dating. lol Before I found CONDOM I too tried joining YNOT (like Nick) but was told that I was "too much of a newbie" and wasn't allowed in. So I fiddled around with free sites for awhile until I met this guy named Jimmer who told me I could learn to make more $$$ at this place called CONDOM. I took a peek, but never posted. Then the owner of the freehost that all my sites were on (yes, I was a free host warrior until '99 even - lol) sent out an email about CONDOM as well. I figured I'd better give it a try.

The first show I attended was the Miami ia2000 (Nick made me go - thanks Nick! :agrin: ) and that's where I met most of the people I still work with today. I wish I would have attended the ladies' luncheon, but I had been mis-informed... someone told me it was a male-bashing feminist group (yes, it was the New Jersey speedbump who told me - he started brainwashing me even back then), so I skipped it. I now read on Oprano every now and again that women I *wish* I had known longer were in attendance. Pisses me off at that missed opportunity to have met them YEARS earlier.

But to answer your question - YES.. people DO backdate when they started. I was shocked at how many people are now jumping on the pre-2k webmaster thing (Gonzo, didn't you start that one?) trying to say they started in the 90's... when I know damned well that they didn't. I'm not THAT old and my memory's not THAT bad... there's working under the radar and then there's just not being there at all. lol

:rolleyes:

[Nickatilynx]

Ron 1:1

In the beginning R-n created the telephone lines and the Internet. 2 And the internet was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of AOL. And the Spirit of R-n moved upon the net. 3 And R-n said, Let there be CE: and there was CE. 4 And R-n saw the hits,and saw that it was good: and R-n divided Netpond from ANS. 5 And R-n called the light Fast Cash, and the darkness he called Xpics.

[*KK*]

Originally posted by Almighty Colin+Feb 8 2005, 12:41 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Almighty Colin @ Feb 8 2005, 12:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by *KK*@Feb 7 2005, 09:51 PM
Originally posted by Almighty Colin@Feb 7 2005, 05:05 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-*KK*@Feb 7 2005, 08:01 PM
punny
Dork
I see how you are conducting yourself! The next thing you know, you'll be talking politics or religion with me. ;)
Israel and Palestinians declare cease-fire. Again. [/b][/quote]
hahaha, do not try to bring my personal life into this ;)

[MaDalton]

Originally posted by MissEve@Feb 7 2005, 05:02 PM
You dork!! lol Those videos used to go for $100 a pop!
poop? :unsure:

[nlphoto]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Feb 8 2005, 10:50 AM
Ron 1:1

In the beginning R-n created the telephone lines and the Internet. 2 And the internet was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of AOL. And the Spirit of R-n moved upon the net. 3 And R-n said, Let there be CE: and there was CE. 4 And R-n saw the hits,and saw that it was good: and R-n divided Netpond from ANS. 5 And R-n called the light Fast Cash, and the darkness he called Xpics.
ahahahhahahhahahahahahahahhahaha

BTW... February 1996... started on 128K pipe from a Internet Cafe
Got listed on PK 5 days after I started, and immediately got 2-3K a day.
Cafe kicked me off their system when their own homepage would take
30 mins to load... :rolleyes:

Went to the second largest ISP in Buffalo, and immediately accounted
for 10% of their total bandwidth... They would quietly show my site
to corporate clients, who refused to believe it was possible to push
1.5 Gigs a day... :lol:

[JimB]

You can't really trust the waybackmachine nor whois as to when someone started in this business. The waybackmachine has me starting in December of 96. Whois shows my first domain in July of 96. But, I actually had JamesandVictoria up on my isp account in February of 96. I suppose if you started after that, the waybackmachine would be kind of accurate.

[nlphoto]

JIM !

How the fuck are you and Vickie?

BTW... my perfect record continues: once again, the Bills did not win the Super Bowl... :P

[JimB]

Hey Buddy :)
We are doing well. We had a superbowl party at Greenguys. Damn, can they throw a 3 day party :)

[nlphoto]

Been to a couple of those at Greenie's myself... :okthumb:

[slavdogg]

Originally posted by Jesse_DD+Feb 8 2005, 10:04 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Jesse_DD @ Feb 8 2005, 10:04 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-slavdogg@Feb 7 2005, 02:08 PM
i have a 6 cent check from IEG from Nov 96
beat that :P
Slav - it cost them more to send that check :awinky: [/b][/quote]
should i have saved the envelope ?

[grimm]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Feb 8 2005, 09:50 AM
Ron 1:1

In the beginning R-n created the telephone lines and the Internet. 2 And the internet was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of AOL. And the Spirit of R-n moved upon the net. 3 And R-n said, Let there be CE: and there was CE. 4 And R-n saw the hits,and saw that it was good: and R-n divided Netpond from ANS. 5 And R-n called the light Fast Cash, and the darkness he called Xpics.
hey xpics overpaid until they stopped paying, i made some good money with them:)

[Zebra]

I have an easy way of knowing when I started. I left the Air Force the first week ok November '96 and had my first site up the same week. Hit the jackpot with Yahoo on day 2 and had my first $10k check within 2 weeks of leaving the Military. Damn I rode that Yahoo listing like a sloppy slut.

MissEve - Remember when you, KC, and I got the C&D for selling the Pam & Tommy videos sometime in early '98. I know I changed my drawers that day.

Vick, I remember meeting you in Vegas in jan '98 along with Claudia. Was dealing with Tad a lot back then.

Grimm - Xpics was so bad about overpaying. I had someone call me up one day wanting to prepay $20k for a couple weeks traffic. Of course I said OK. After the 2 weeks they told me the traffic hadn't performed as well as they had expected and they didn't want to renew the deal. A few hours later a different Xpics rep called me saying they had just found my site and wanted to pay $25k for 2 weeks. Gotta love sales reps :)

Anyone remember the hotteen.com project? A dozen or so webmasters joined together and used the site to mix and grow traffic. Was a very successful project. Back when the TTS toplist script was king. Before TTS I used a script that Tom at BlueGravity built. Was better than using MKstats like I did for the first few months. Running a toplist by hand sucked but made a ton of $ until I found a way to automate it. Getting a script to run my toplists was like living in the dark all your life and someone flipping a lite on one day. Damn, that was a long time ago.

[MikeFold]

Originally posted by slavdogg+Feb 8 2005, 08:44 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (slavdogg @ Feb 8 2005, 08:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Jesse_DD@Feb 8 2005, 10:04 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-slavdogg@Feb 7 2005, 02:08 PM
i have a 6 cent check from IEG from Nov 96
beat that :P
Slav - it cost them more to send that check :awinky:
should i have saved the envelope ? [/b][/quote]
Best I can do there is a Jan 97 check for .30 Slav...
(a couple of .90 cent checks too)

I have a Sergey check from a bet from 1998 too
:D

I thought I had an earlier check from some canadian group too that my bank couldn't cash for some reason.

[MikeFold]

Originally posted by Almighty Colin+Feb 7 2005, 03:27 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Almighty Colin @ Feb 7 2005, 03:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Peaches@Feb 7 2005, 01:33 PM
Who came up with Cum Gurgling Cheerleaders?
Can't remember. Was that the guy with the nickname "Catholic" something? [/b][/quote]
that was Timon I believe

[VooMan]

Damn, I was a real idiot back in the good old days... :(

I bought my first domain on March 17, 1997. I didn't even know how to copy and paste, so my first sponsor (Websplash at 1 cent per click) took me about two hours to write down and add to my site with notepad. hahaha

With that in mind, I had a friend who had a site listed on Persian Kitty. He was making $1500 a month, and since that was what I took home from the cabinet shop I thought that would be great. I tried for nine months to get listed on Persian Kitty, then when I finally did I put up so many banners I got kicked off.

Someone told me about YNOT, so I went there and read these crazy arguments between two guys. Serge and Viper. I wasn't going to waste my time watching them argue, so I went and started trading links with people. Who knew that was the golden age of YNOT... My site had NO stats, so I had no idea where my traffic came from, and thus I no idea how to get traffic. I am the Rocky Balboa of webmasters though, and knew their had to be a major piece of the puzzle I was missing... (can you say, understatement? LOL)

At one point, Snoops and 12 clicks took pity on me and explained to me what this game was really about. A few Yahoo listings later and I was making more than I ever dreamed possible for doing so little. :)

Later on down the road I met Sweet T and he offered me a job. I kept my sites going on the side, knowing that "this could never last," and moved to Atlanta. I've been here ever since.

The sites are just about dead now, but things have always been good with NatNet. I've learned a lot and had a great time... oh, and I didn't blow any of that Yahoo cash, except some on my yard. LOLOL

[Zebra]

Hey Fold! Hit me up, Annie is wanting to come visit you.
http://www.crazytees.com/zebra/annie.jpg

[grimm]

Originally posted by Zebra@Feb 9 2005, 09:03 AM


Grimm - Xpics was so bad about overpaying. I had someone call me up one day wanting to prepay $20k for a couple weeks traffic. Of course I said OK. After the 2 weeks they told me the traffic hadn't performed as well as they had expected and they didn't want to renew the deal. A few hours later a different Xpics rep called me saying they had just found my site and wanted to pay $25k for 2 weeks. Gotta love sales reps :)
Hit it right on the head, what the hell did they care, they were getting 50 dollars a signup with a year retention because nobody could cancel! I almost felt sorry enough to call them up and say, umm... your last check isnt used up, then i surfed the sites and said "fuck it" LOL.


How you been Zebra:)

[MikeFold]

so thats the elusive Annie

sweet........

[grimm]

Fold:)

[MikeFold]

Originally posted by grimm@Feb 9 2005, 02:20 PM
Fold:)
grimm :D

[spazlabz]

Originally posted by gonzo@Feb 7 2005, 07:03 AM
Youd be amazed at how many people still dont bother with webmaster boards. Answering a quiz isnt relevant...making cash is!
I wouldn't be Gonzo!! heh heh. I got my first computer and internet connection in 96 (14.4 wow was it blazing fast!!). Surfed porn till my eyes crossed in late 97 and started promoting someones sites, opened my first member ssite in 98 and been keeping it up and running and a few others and doing odd jobs for people ever since then.
I used to have time for boards but no interest
The I had interest in boards but didn't know where to start
Now I dont have time for boards but see their value!
Not having time is a standard cop out for not caring enough to participate, but i swear to god. I just don't have the time any more. maybe in a few months *knock on wood* but just not now. Also, Gonzo, bro, I sent you a message over ICQ a couple of weeks ago about my never using that program again, and switching to yahoo messenger for ease of use and convience. :D


spaz

[Joes Traffic]

I started my first website in 1994 and created my first search engine that same year while I was attending Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute. In 1995 I was hired by Quote.com and in 1996 was included in a cover story in US News. Was also mentioned in Money, Wall St Journal, plus dozens of other magazines and newspapers. We were the first to start online quotes and most of the major brokerage firms used our system. I retired from the online financial industry in 1998 when Quote.com was sold to Lycos and started my own web development company, which I later sold in 2002. I then started in this industry.

[grimm]

Originally posted by MikeFold+Feb 9 2005, 09:51 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (MikeFold @ Feb 9 2005, 09:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-grimm@Feb 9 2005, 02:20 PM
Fold:)
grimm :D [/b][/quote]
ohhhhhhhhhhh i dont know:)

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Joes Traffic@Feb 10 2005, 04:30 PM
I started my first website in 1994 and created my first search engine that same year while I was attending Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute. In 1995 I was hired by Quote.com and in 1996 was included in a cover story in US News. Was also mentioned in Money, Wall St Journal, plus dozens of other magazines and newspapers. We were the first to start online quotes and most of the major brokerage firms used our system. I retired from the online financial industry in 1998 when Quote.com was sold to Lycos and started my own web development company, which I later sold in 2002. I then started in this industry.
IMPRESSIVE!!!

[MikeFold]

Originally posted by grimm+Feb 10 2005, 06:07 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (grimm @ Feb 10 2005, 06:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by MikeFold@Feb 9 2005, 09:51 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-grimm@Feb 9 2005, 02:20 PM
Fold:)
grimm :D
ohhhhhhhhhhh i dont know:) [/b][/quote]
i got a guy on the other line that needs a set of whitewalls
:agrin:

[grimm]

Wanna manage the Indians?

lol:)