Scamming Affiliate - Paysite Owners Beware

[PrivateIvy]

Maybe I'm just venting , and then again maybe someone knows who this guy is or if you recognize his info you can avoid having this done to you.

Jan 3rd new affiliate signs up to one of my programs. Over the next week he sends about 100 uniques per day and gets 1 $89.95 signup per day for 6 days straight, which is when I started wondering and checked into how much traffic he was sending and from where.

Of course I found that all the $89.95 signups were with Checks, and all using a hotmail address though they were all different info .

Long story short, this fucker caused a total of $624.55 in returned check signups which were deducted from my check this week

So here's to Mr Francis Beaulieu or Mr Orland Robles who owns www.YoungTeenTGP.Net and sends traffic from www.YoungTeenTGP.Net/real

his email addresses if valid are: iceman504@gmail.com and hammer8290@hotmail.com so please feel free to share as many emails with him for viagra, mortgage rates, cialis, or add him to your site newsletters and well...you get the point

Thanks for letting me rant

Ivy

[SykkBoy]

I searched all of those
he's not in our affiliate databse, but I'll keep an eye out

thanks for the head's up

[sarettah]

Sorry you got screwed over Ivy, but may I suggest that you not accept "free" email addresses on sign ups. Webmasters got real domains, they should be able to provide a real email addy. (just imho of course)


btw, it looks like it is registered to a real person at a real address:

Yahoo People Search Comes in Handy sometimes (http://phone.people.yahoo.com/py/lg:us/lc:us/psPhoneEntry.py?firstname=Orlando&lastname=Robles&middleName=&street=2+Oakview+Ter&city=Jamaica+Plain&state=MA&zip=02130-4902&phone=6179831489)

[Vick]

Thanks for sharing your experience PrivateIvy and calling out a cockholster



sarettah - as usual hits it on the head. Don't accept free emails addys from webmasters in your proggy

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Vick@Feb 3 2005, 09:28 PM

sarettah - as usual hits it on the head. Don't accept free emails addys from webmasters in your proggy
Congratulations!!!!

You have now elimated at least 6 REAL heavy hitters that I know from your program ;-)))

[Lisa]

From my experience, whether or not you accept free email addresses from webmasters, the ONLY thing that will protect you from scammers is vigilance...and a little bit of women's intuition. ;)

Ivy, by watching the webmaster, you caught him...tho I'd have been suspicious as soon as he sent thru 2 multi-month signups...that goes against the general surfer buying pattern for sure.

I had an article published in Klixxx regarding webmaster fraud towards the end of last year (or so I've been told...I'm yet to lay eyes on it ;) )

If anyone would like a copy, drop me an email and I'll send it by return mail. :)

[PrivateIvy]

Originally posted by sarettah@Feb 3 2005, 09:18 PM
Sorry you got screwed over Ivy, but may I suggest that you not accept "free" email addresses on sign ups. Webmasters got real domains, they should be able to provide a real email addy. (just imho of course)


btw, it looks like it is registered to a real person at a real address:

Yahoo People Search Comes in Handy sometimes (http://phone.people.yahoo.com/py/lg:us/lc:us/psPhoneEntry.py?firstname=Orlando&lastname=Robles&middleName=&street=2+Oakview+Ter&city=Jamaica+Plain&state=MA&zip=02130-4902&phone=6179831489)
Damn!!! Somebody please go kick some butt for me !! :biglaugh:


Ivy

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by PrivateIvy+Feb 3 2005, 09:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PrivateIvy @ Feb 3 2005, 09:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-sarettah@Feb 3 2005, 09:18 PM
Sorry you got screwed over Ivy, but may I suggest that you not accept "free" email addresses on sign ups. Webmasters got real domains, they should be able to provide a real email addy. (just imho of course)


btw, it looks like it is registered to a real person at a real address:

Yahoo People Search Comes in Handy sometimes (http://phone.people.yahoo.com/py/lg:us/lc:us/psPhoneEntry.py?firstname=Orlando&lastname=Robles&middleName=&street=2+Oakview+Ter&city=Jamaica+Plain&state=MA&zip=02130-4902&phone=6179831489)
Damn!!! Somebody please go kick some butt for me !! :biglaugh:


Ivy [/b][/quote]
Call the local police and advise them that he attempted to defraud you of over $600.00.

That he tried top pass fraudulent checks. :)

Explain the circunstances fully.

then write to him an advise him you have done so.

:)

[sarettah]

Originally posted by PrivateIvy+Feb 4 2005, 12:49 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PrivateIvy @ Feb 4 2005, 12:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-sarettah@Feb 3 2005, 09:18 PM
Sorry you got screwed over Ivy, but may I suggest that you not accept "free" email addresses on sign ups. Webmasters got real domains, they should be able to provide a real email addy. (just imho of course)


btw, it looks like it is registered to a real person at a real address:

Yahoo People Search Comes in Handy sometimes (http://phone.people.yahoo.com/py/lg:us/lc:us/psPhoneEntry.py?firstname=Orlando&lastname=Robles&middleName=&street=2+Oakview+Ter&city=Jamaica+Plain&state=MA&zip=02130-4902&phone=6179831489)
Damn!!! Somebody please go kick some butt for me !! :biglaugh:
[/b][/quote]
That requires an upgrade to the premium Oprano membership.... :yowsa:

[Vick]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Feb 4 2005, 12:39 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Feb 4 2005, 12:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Vick@Feb 3 2005, 09:28 PM

sarettah - as usual hits it on the head. Don't accept free emails addys from webmasters in your proggy
Congratulations!!!!

You have now elimated at least 6 REAL heavy hitters that I know from your program ;-))) [/b][/quote]
Exceptions make the rule

Send enough legit joins and anyone will make exceptions :)


But for smaller proggys it's still not a bad rule, at least get to know the webmasters/companies promoting your proggy

[sarettah]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Feb 4 2005, 12:52 AM
Call the local police and advise them that he attempted to defraud you of over $600.00.

That he tried top pass fraudulent checks. :)

Explain the circunstances fully.

then write to him an advise him you have done so.

:)
You take all the fun out of it. You got to give them just a little bit of a head start to make it more interesting.
:yowsa:

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by sarettah+Feb 3 2005, 09:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (sarettah @ Feb 3 2005, 09:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@Feb 4 2005, 12:52 AM
Call the local police and advise them that he attempted to defraud you of over $600.00.

That he tried top pass fraudulent checks. :)

Explain the circunstances fully.

then write to him an advise him you have done so.

:)
You take all the fun out of it. You got to give them just a little bit of a head start to make it more interesting.
:yowsa: [/b][/quote]
Why use muscle , when they gov't has it taken care of ? :)

[sarettah]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Feb 4 2005, 12:59 AM
Why use muscle , when they gov't has it taken care of ? :)
I prefer to keep the authorities as faaaaaarrrrr away from me and mine as possible.

thank you very much...

:unsure:

[PrivateIvy]

Originally posted by Vick@Feb 3 2005, 09:28 PM


Don't accept free emails addys from webmasters in your proggy
hmmm....just took a glance into my affiliate admin area and if I did that I'd say that would knock out the majority of my top producing affiliates :(



Ivy

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by PrivateIvy+Feb 3 2005, 10:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PrivateIvy @ Feb 3 2005, 10:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Vick@Feb 3 2005, 09:28 PM


Don't accept free emails addys from webmasters in your proggy
hmmm....just took a glance into my affiliate admin area and if I did that I'd say that would knock out the majority of my top producing affiliates :(



Ivy [/b][/quote]
See Rule No1 - Nick is always right.

;-))))

[PrivateIvy]

Originally posted by sarettah+Feb 3 2005, 10:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (sarettah @ Feb 3 2005, 10:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@Feb 4 2005, 12:59 AM
Why use muscle , when they gov't has it taken care of ? :)
I prefer to keep the authorities as faaaaaarrrrr away from me and mine as possible.

thank you very much...

:unsure: [/b][/quote]
Yea, I don't think that I really want to go explain that this guy scammed me for $600 off my porn sites . I'll stick with my mother of 3 and homely housewife cover in this town for now :awinky:


Ivy

[SykkBoy]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Feb 4 2005, 01:17 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Feb 4 2005, 01:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by PrivateIvy@Feb 3 2005, 10:16 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Vick@Feb 3 2005, 09:28 PM


Don't accept free emails addys from webmasters in your proggy
hmmm....just took a glance into my affiliate admin area and if I did that I'd say that would knock out the majority of my top producing affiliates :(



Ivy
See Rule No1 - Nick is always right.

;-)))) [/b][/quote]
Actually, we have a no free email rule...and if someone really wants to send traffic, they hit me up on ICQ and it gets taken care of...I'm a keep in contact with my affiliates kind of guy...

[gonzo]

Originally posted by PrivateIvy+Feb 4 2005, 01:18 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PrivateIvy @ Feb 4 2005, 01:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by sarettah@Feb 3 2005, 10:05 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@Feb 4 2005, 12:59 AM
Why use muscle , when they gov't has it taken care of ? :)
I prefer to keep the authorities as faaaaaarrrrr away from me and mine as possible.

thank you very much...

:unsure:
Yea, I don't think that I really want to go explain that this guy scammed me for $600 off my porn sites . I'll stick with my mother of 3 and homely housewife cover in this town for now :awinky:


Ivy [/b][/quote]
Man and Bat could be sweet talked into going and ruinating him if you want.

[Hell Puppy]

Since Peaches is slacking, I'll look out for our brother Wig:

http://www.achdebit.com/

[PrivateIvy]

Originally posted by Hell Puppy@Feb 3 2005, 10:46 PM
Since Peaches is slacking, I'll look out for our brother Wig:

http://www.achdebit.com/

Looked into them once before...might have to check in again now :awinky:


Thanks:)


Ivy

[spazlabz]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Feb 3 2005, 09:39 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Feb 3 2005, 09:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Vick@Feb 3 2005, 09:28 PM

sarettah - as usual hits it on the head. Don't accept free emails addys from webmasters in your proggy
Congratulations!!!!

You have now elimated at least 6 REAL heavy hitters that I know from your program ;-))) [/b][/quote]
Who? I definitely want the 'heavy hitters' in making money with my program, but why wouldnt they have a pop3 account? old school MS holes concerns? I just want to know because I want to attrack the right webmasters to my program and reject the fly bys

spaz

[Nickatilynx]

Free emails are conveient , easy to access anywhere.

Mailers really like them.

The other dumb things are "No webmasters from" , on a case by case basis some of those "foriegn" guys aregood.

[TheEnforcer]

Anyone care to guess what e-mail service Nick uses to sign up for programs? :P

[KevinG]

That sucks Ivy. What a jerk.

[PrivateIvy]

Just found out he did the same but was able to get away with much more from other programs :

125 fraudulent joins to CashTitans.com, 173 $69.99 joins with PornstarDollars.com and I suspect many others .

Thank goodness I caught him early !!!


Ivy