The Sextracker Scandal Pt3

[Nickatilynx]

Looks like Meat and Aga were good for their word.

Rumour is they have had servers seized by law enforcement...

[$tanDaMan]

can you say oh-oh

[grimm]

whats the backstory between meat and aga and sextracker?

[Nickatilynx]

Bode prolly had a load of weed on him when they raided LOL

[$tanDaMan]

Originally posted by grimm@Jan 26 2005, 07:19 PM
whats the backstory between meat and aga and sextracker?
grimm sextracker hijacks join pages, ref codes etc. from people who install their dialer and spyware via their counter.

[DrGuile]

which server, because: http://www.sextracker.com/

[JoesHO]

what is the purpose of a counter on the main page of a site anyway? I never understood that.

[gonzo]

Originally posted by JoesHO1@Jan 26 2005, 08:42 PM
what is the purpose of a counter on the main page of a site anyway? I never understood that.
For people that cant read server stats or dont have access to em.

Nakedhosting gladly sets mine up for me.

[JoesHO]

I was always told that those counters can steal you traffic is this the jest of the meat and aga complaint against sextraccker?

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by JoesHO1@Jan 26 2005, 08:42 PM
what is the purpose of a counter on the main page of a site anyway? I never understood that.
Back in the day you could get quite a bit of traffic from the counter toplists. Not sure if that is true anymore.

[cj]

Originally posted by JoesHO1@Jan 26 2005, 08:59 PM
I was always told that those counters can steal you traffic is this the jest of the meat and aga complaint against sextraccker?
yes they can, but as Colin said, back in the old days you used to get as much traffic back as they took - sometimes more. And it was back in the days where 1 surfers click wasn't resold over and over and over for a new fee each time.

Back then, 5000 unique hits was 5000 unique visitors (or 10k on serge's count :biglaugh:) whereas today 5000 unique hits is about 50 visitors sent to a stack of sites each.

While Webfather's pearl is still true IN NUMBERS WE TRUST ... its getting harder and harder to read them and compare apples to apples <_<

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Almighty Colin+Jan 26 2005, 05:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Almighty Colin @ Jan 26 2005, 05:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-JoesHO1@Jan 26 2005, 08:42 PM
what is the purpose of a counter on the main page of a site anyway? I never understood that.
Back in the day you could get quite a bit of traffic from the counter toplists. Not sure if that is true anymore. [/b][/quote]
I had this argument with Levy back in the day.

He said I had counters up for ego when I was No1 on WSS (cough...had to drop that in) ;-))

Til I showed him the clicks out vs clicks in...

ahahahahahaha I just remembered.

Remember the blacklist for people who 1X1 the counter...like one of our sponsors here I believe... ;-))))

Cough dean cough... LOL

[JR]

Originally posted by JoesHO1@Jan 26 2005, 05:59 PM
I was always told that those counters can steal you traffic is this the jest of the meat and aga complaint against sextraccker?
no... not even close.

[Nickatilynx]

JR do you know what they are alledged to have done?

[pushpills]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jan 26 2005, 08:45 PM
JR do you know what they are alledged to have done?
packing shitware in the dialers is one of the things I believe.

[slavdogg]

Originally posted by pushpills@Jan 26 2005, 09:57 PM

packing shitware in the dialers is one of the things I believe.
how is that done ??

[JR]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jan 26 2005, 06:45 PM
JR do you know what they are alledged to have done?
to my knowledge, quite a bit beyond the link below. the "Avenue Media" discussion has came up on the boards a few times but not many people paid attention. besides, i seriously doubt this would warrant international investigations, cross border police operations etc. apparently, there were other dialer scams as well, which definately would.

http://antivirus.about.com/od/virusdescrip...a/movieclip.htm (http://antivirus.about.com/od/virusdescriptions/a/movieclip.htm)

[JR]

Originally posted by slavdogg+Jan 26 2005, 07:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (slavdogg @ Jan 26 2005, 07:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-pushpills@Jan 26 2005, 09:57 PM

packing shitware in the dialers is one of the things I believe.
how is that done ?? [/b][/quote]
simple. combine "click here to download free..." followed by "click here to agree to our terms and conditions..."

:o

[Nickatilynx]

Well Shaun Bode , sextracker and flying crocodile , the ex owners of YNOT , I believe , are in a world of hurt.

Alledgedly they built trojans that they buried inside downloadable mpegs etc. "free video, click here".

There is a licensing agreement where the user consents.

Then it installs a program to redirect all traffic from their computer to any URL.

It appears they also have dialers that keeps the phone connected after the computer is disconnected etc

Found this post

"""Sextrackertrojan !!!

That link you delete from that sick fool infected my computer with a dial-up network virus during that time. I tried deleting in but it kept coming back. I go to a university so I receive a free dial-up network number.

When the virus was installed in my computer it would terminate my rutgers dial-up network & then supplement it's own dial-up connection. The dial up icon was called sex tracker. After days of trying to eliminate it I decided to reboot my computer & start from scracth.

Here's the problem. The phone bill I recieved yesterday states I used a dial up network to United Kingdoms & Austria. I spent about 7 minutes online total but they charged me $51.27. How do I get Verizon to terminate that bill? It was on a separate bill called USBI. Please help.""""

http://p096.ezboard.com/fraincoatreviewsfr...opicID=85.topic (http://p096.ezboard.com/fraincoatreviewsfrm13.showMessage?topicID=85.topic )

These I thought were interesting too...

http://vic.zonelabs.com/tmpl/body/CA/virus...s.jsp?VId=18694 (http://vic.zonelabs.com/tmpl/body/CA/virusDetails.jsp?VId=18694)

possibly????

http://antivirus.about.com/od/virusdescrip...a/movieclip.htm (http://antivirus.about.com/od/virusdescriptions/a/movieclip.htm)

[PornoDoggy]

Meat's take on it from a thread back in September ( http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/index.php?s...1&hl=sextracker (http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/index.php?showtopic=13651&hl=sextracker) ; also see http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/index.php?s...&hl=sextracker) (http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/index.php?showtopic=6699&hl=sextracker)).

We will be suing sextracker but even so they are debt laden company with assets off shore so what we collect fromt hat will remain to be seen.

He stole about 400,000 hits a day from us and our clients which equates to alot fo money in lost revenue and it caused secondary problems as well, we will never repcoup from him what he fucked us for but again we will have the pleasure of a judgement and the bbest reward from that case is when we hand the evidence over to FBI and he winds up in jail for rest of his life.

If you guys new how much sextracker had stolen from you, im sure most of the adult internet companies would be filing suit against him also.

[iamkathi]

[QUOTE=Nickatilynx,Jan 26 2005, 08:07 PM]

Well Shaun Bode , sextracker and flying crocodile , the ex owners of YNOT , I believe , are in a world of hurt......


as a side note...Ynot has never been in better hands. Bob, LAJ and the entire staff of Ynot are doing an excellent job. Ynot radio rocks and they are doing fantastic things there.

While we miss Greg Geelan... I know he misses us as well.


Back to your regular programming....

[gonzo]

Wheres the bulshit cry about this being creative marketing now?

[Hell Puppy]

Originally posted by gonzo@Jan 27 2005, 12:00 AM
Wheres the bulshit cry about his being creative marketing now?
whine.

complain.

accept it.


....just like jail.

[Nickatilynx]

No slight against the current YNOT intended.

Good guys the bunch of them.

:okthumb:

[TaDoW]

A juicy rumor indeed ....


where's your proof?

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by TaDoW@Jan 27 2005, 09:59 AM
A juicy rumor indeed ....


where's your proof?
Who are you?

[JR]

Originally posted by TaDoW@Jan 27 2005, 09:59 AM
A juicy rumor indeed ....


where's your proof?
the proof is in anons that show up and try to bait people.

:lol:

[Meat]

Originally posted by grimm@Jan 26 2005, 04:19 PM
whats the backstory between meat and aga and sextracker?
Sextracker are thiefs, they have stolen traffic (about 30%) from nearly every company in adult porn, anyone that has done biz with bode has had traffic stolen from them.

They stole from us and we caught them, we have video evidence of it and bode will go to jail for committing one of the biggest internet frauds on the internet, using trojan viruses to steal traffic and defraud surfers all over the world.

They have had servers siezed speciffcally by the German police and interpol have been called in. FBI will probably be involved by end of week.

Bode and a bunch of FCI peeps are going to jail for ALONG time.

[TaDoW]

numb nuts, I've been in this industry probably longer than both of you ... well, maybe not longer than joel :-)

anyway..

tim from dormbucks ...

I used to work at sextracker, and before that 100free/dynamic hosting, and before that sexhound ...

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Meat+Jan 27 2005, 10:17 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Meat @ Jan 27 2005, 10:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-grimm@Jan 26 2005, 04:19 PM
whats the backstory between meat and aga and sextracker?
Sextracker are thiefs, they have stolen traffic (about 30%) from nearly every company in adult porn, anyone that has done biz with bode has had traffic stolen from them.

They stole from us and we caught them, we have video evidence of it and bode will go to jail for committing one of the biggest internet frauds on the internet, using trojan viruses to steal traffic and defraud surfers all over the world.

They have had servers siezed speciffcally by the German police and interpol have been called in. FBI will probably be involved by end of week.

Bode and a bunch of FCI peeps are going to jail for ALONG time. [/b][/quote]


Excellent Meat :)


Nice to see you are feeling better btw :)

[Meat]

yes and whata beautiful way to come off my sickness:)

I wonder how fast Bode can pick up a bar of soap in a shower, the boys inside are going to love him:)

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by TaDoW@Jan 27 2005, 10:18 AM
numb nuts, I've been in this industry probably longer than both of you ... well, maybe not longer than joel :-)

anyway..

tim from dormbucks ...

I used to work at sextracker, and before that 100free/dynamic hosting, and before that sexhound ...
You may have been in this industry longer , but I still ask , so who are you?

Oh and numbnuts?????

Fuck you cunt!

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Meat@Jan 27 2005, 10:22 AM
yes and whata beautiful way to come off my sickness:)

I wonder how fast Bode can pick up a bar of soap in a shower, the boys inside are going to love him:)
Do you know if there has been any arrests yet , Meat?

[Meat]

no arrests yet Nick, the servers were only seized yesterday.

i guess the police will be pulling them apart to see how bodes little trojan empire works before any arrests.

this shit bode has been doing has prob affected millions of surfers all over the world. I would imagine this will be an ongoing investigation between law enforcement in a few hundred countries giving bode little place to run and hide...he is fucked so bad...

[TaDoW]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Jan 27 2005, 10:22 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Jan 27 2005, 10:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-TaDoW@Jan 27 2005, 10:18 AM
numb nuts, I've been in this industry probably longer than both of you ... well, maybe not longer than joel :-)

anyway..

tim from dormbucks ...

I used to work at sextracker, and before that 100free/dynamic hosting, and before that sexhound ...
You may have been in this industry longer , but I still ask , so who are you?

Oh and numbnuts?????

Fuck you cunt! [/b][/quote]
I don't really know who you are, or why you're taking such offense to my asking for proof... but I don't really have beef with you, I just wanted to make sure you had some solid evidence before making a thread like this.

I'm not defending sextracker, I just want to make sure the facts are straight.

Meat is doing a much better job of providing information ... you just seem keen on ripping on fci ... when honestly, I doubt you even know bode or ross or any of the guys there. I just don't think it's cricket to talk shit about someone when you haven't at least met them.

[StreetRacer]

Meat, AGA, You guys still in the business of narc'ing people out to the cops and being sue happy on top of it still i see?

All your law suits and dumbass remarks about them just show you guys as a couple of incompetent idiots who can't hold their own fort

[Nickatilynx]

tadow,

I asked around.

I've prolly been in this industry longer than you , I was making a million a year from it by 98...you?

You've always been hired help I believe.

Oh , and everytime you open your mouth you look more stupid...

I owned a peice of netpond from 1998-2002 and now own a peice of Oprano.

Oh and additionally Bode has been at my house in Vancouver. Meat was there.


So , nice to meet you too.



Meat,

Awesome :)

[Meat]

streetracer we didnt narc anyone, we would have preffered that the police were not invovled, we would have much rather sued them:)))

If we were going to narc them we would have done so in the UK and we would have done it along time ago...however we ahave one courtcase still in the courts and we like to finish one action before we start the next, the police have got in before us so thats tough for us i guess, bode will be in jail long before we can get the cunt in court to get the money back he stole from us.

fuck us and we will sue you, we dont belive in cease and desist...

and you can go and fuck yourself lol.

[StreetRacer]

Meat, when you 2 geasers learn to protect your business, then i will have some respect for you.

Until then your just a couple of sue happy morons who just chase each others tail in your netpond hq home / office (lame)

Go burn yourself and sue McDonalds, mr. wanabe industry saver

[TaDoW]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jan 27 2005, 10:35 AM
tadow,

I asked around.

I've prolly been in this industry longer than you , I was making a million a year from it by 98...you?

You've always been hired help I believe.

Oh , and everytime you open your mouth you look more stupid...

I owned a peice of netpond from 1998-2002 and now own a peice of Oprano.

Oh and additionally Bode has been at my house in Vancouver. Meat was there.


So , nice to meet you too.



Meat,

Awesome :)
haven't always been hired help actually...

that's okay tho, we probably got our start around the same time.

nice to meet you as well :-)

now that this is past us, can we get back to the nitty gritty about ST?

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Jan 27 2005, 01:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Jan 27 2005, 01:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-TaDoW@Jan 27 2005, 10:18 AM
numb nuts, I've been in this industry probably longer than both of you ... well, maybe not longer than joel :-)

anyway..

tim from dormbucks ...

I used to work at sextracker, and before that 100free/dynamic hosting, and before that sexhound ...
You may have been in this industry longer , but I still ask , so who are you?

Oh and numbnuts?????

Fuck you cunt! [/b][/quote]
Post that domain registration since you been in the biz longer than any of us....

I call BULLSHIT!

[Dravyk]

Originally posted by gonzo+Jan 27 2005, 01:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gonzo @ Jan 27 2005, 01:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jan 27 2005, 01:22 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-TaDoW@Jan 27 2005, 10:18 AM
numb nuts, I've been in this industry probably longer than both of you ... well, maybe not longer than joel :-)

anyway..

tim from dormbucks ...

I used to work at sextracker, and before that 100free/dynamic hosting, and before that sexhound ...
You may have been in this industry longer , but I still ask , so who are you?

Oh and numbnuts?????

Fuck you cunt!
Post that domain registration since you been in the biz longer than any of us....

I call BULLSHIT! [/b][/quote]
You're supposed to call "Shinanigans"!

[Chichio]

One million bizillion dollars! Informed sources tell me this FCI stuff is BS. FYI :D

[gonzo]

First time poster..... spin control in effect!

[Meat]

sextracker boys putting on a brave face??

[Chichio]

Never had a reason to post here. I just think it's funny that there's always a rumor coming from this board and they always seem false. Just interested in the truth not defending FCI at all. Proof would be cool.

[Meat]

im the one posting the info, if im bullshitting then im sure bode will be able to give me a dose of my own medicine and sue me...

Hes just started a lawsuit agianst another company so he is not adverse to lawsuits himself...

We have the proof of what he has been up to, he cant sue and he knows it.

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Chichio@Jan 27 2005, 02:19 PM
Never had a reason to post here. I just think it's funny that there's always a rumor coming from this board and they always seem false. Just interested in the truth not defending FCI at all. Proof would be cool.
Nice counter spin....we us are all about the false rumors!

[StreetRacer]

Meat,

Might be time to sue Oprano, i hear they are doing alot better than Netpond and could take over the industry one day.

Gather your evidence of a monopoly while you can!!! Only 9 months until you need to narc!

[Nickatilynx]

Oprano is the publisher of these remarks by Meat.

And thus could be cojoined in any alledged libel action.

We would defend any such action by seeking comfort in the truth.

We at Oprano have total faith that Meat and Aga

of:

http://www.netpond.com

and

http://www.netpondcash.com


Are telling the truth.

I , personally, and Oprano ,support and back both Gentlemen and their businesses 100%


Can I be any more clear?

[Meat]

streetracer

your an idiot:)

[Meat]

Thanks Nick:)

and u can rest assured we have plenty of evidence to prove everything i have posted.

[JoesHO]

Originally posted by Chichio@Jan 27 2005, 11:13 AM
One million bizillion dollars! Informed sources tell me this FCI stuff is BS. FYI :D
So let me get this straight.....

We are to believe an anon poster who is hiding his/her identity
and a company that has beeen proven to be at least umm shal we say unable to do what they claim they will do without a hidden tax of some sort being applied

over proven industry professionals, that have ( in meatss case) went out of there way to help newbies in the industry?

and in Nicks case an expert on traffic ???

the prudent thing for you to do is look for a new job before you get pinched as a co conspirator...

going down with the ship is not as admirable as one would lead you to believe...

so the same question is posed to you now Mr. anon you sling accusations here and imply inuendo lets here it from the horses mouth why does your " source" not come and make a formal statement?

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Meat@Jan 27 2005, 11:29 AM
Thanks Nick:)

and u can rest assured we have plenty of evidence to prove everything i have posted.
I don't doubt your word for one second , Meat. Not one.

All I see now is spin control....

[Chichio]

Originally posted by JoesHO1+Jan 27 2005, 11:29 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JoesHO1 @ Jan 27 2005, 11:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Chichio@Jan 27 2005, 11:13 AM
One million bizillion dollars! Informed sources tell me this FCI stuff is BS. FYI :D
So let me get this straight.....

We are to believe an anon poster who is hiding his/her identity
and a company that has beeen proven to be at least umm shal we say unable to do what they claim they will do without a hidden tax of some sort being applied

over proven industry professionals, that have ( in meatss case) went out of there way to help newbies in the industry?

and in Nicks case an expert on traffic ???

the prudent thing for you to do is look for a new job before you get pinched as a co conspirator...

going down with the ship is not as admirable as one would lead you to believe...

so the same question is posed to you now Mr. anon you sling accusations here and imply inuendo lets here it from the horses mouth why does your " source" not come and make a formal statement?[/b][/quote]
Who's hiding? I'm the same Chichio I've always been. :)

Guys, honestly, I just saw the post about servers taken etc. and thought I'd look into it. The word I got was that it wasn't true. I don't know who Meat is but he seems like a reasonable chap. I'm sure he has his reasons. I'm not calling bullshit on the lawsuit or anything, all I'm saying is that my sources tell me it's not true about the servers. Maybe I'm wrong. I coupled that info with the fact that I've read something similar on this board before that ended up not being true. Take from that what you will.

P.S.: I don't work for sextracker and receive not dime one from them. You have to admit that if you were to believe that I have nothing to do with ST and you guys are all thinking I'm some kinda spin flunky is kinda funny.

[Nickatilynx]

I coupled that info with the fact that I've read something similar on this board before that ended up not being true

LOL

Really?

What thing did you read here that wasn't true?

[Dravyk]

I think it's past time for Street Racer to pony up with his resume -- assuming he wants to be even remotely credible. Otherwise I consider him to be another anon with a worthless opinion and a big mouth.

[Chichio]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jan 27 2005, 11:54 AM
I coupled that info with the fact that I've read something similar on this board before that ended up not being true

LOL

Really?

What thing did you read here that wasn't true?
I don't recall exactly but as I remember quite a few people on this board have a bone to pick with FCI, and I have no issue with that. I remember reading something before about it being the end for FCI, yet they continue to live. I believe it was something similar i.e. servers taken, office raided. I don't really remember. I'm not a regular here obviously.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Chichio+Jan 27 2005, 11:58 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Chichio @ Jan 27 2005, 11:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@Jan 27 2005, 11:54 AM
I coupled that info with the fact that I've read something similar on this board before that ended up not being true

LOL

Really?

What thing did you read here that wasn't true?
I don't recall exactly but as I remember quite a few people on this board have a bone to pick with FCI, and I have no issue with that. I remember reading something before about it being the end for FCI, yet they continue to live. I believe it was something similar i.e. servers taken, office raided. I don't really remember. I'm not a regular here obviously. [/b][/quote]
ahahahahahahaha

So you are rumouring that you don't believe this rumour because you are starting a rumour that our board is full of errrrr rumour.

LOL

[gonzo]

Ever notice when the shit hits the fan new names start popping up to that suspiciously look like spin control?

Chichio
Joined: 27-January 05

[iamkathi]

As a former STracker/FCI employee I can vouch for the integrity of both TaDOW and Chichio. I know none us are here to stir the pot or get anyone riled up.

I am just as interested in any information that involved the people I know and have worked with as they are.

It is easy to post a thread or add comments that may be taken out of context or are intended to be sarcastic or ask a question...that may be misunderstood. This situation is not new, so any new information is always questioned.

I am sure all parties will be glad when it's over. Ok, some parties will be glad when it's over.


Know this for sure... I would never knowingly speak ill of SexTracker, Shawn Bode or Ross Perkins or their current staff...as well as Meat and Aga either.

[Chichio]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Jan 27 2005, 12:01 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Jan 27 2005, 12:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by Chichio@Jan 27 2005, 11:58 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@Jan 27 2005, 11:54 AM
I coupled that info with the fact that I've read something similar on this board before that ended up not being true

LOL

Really?

What thing did you read here that wasn't true?
I don't recall exactly but as I remember quite a few people on this board have a bone to pick with FCI, and I have no issue with that. I remember reading something before about it being the end for FCI, yet they continue to live. I believe it was something similar i.e. servers taken, office raided. I don't really remember. I'm not a regular here obviously.
ahahahahahahaha

So you are rumouring that you don't believe this rumour because you are starting a rumour that our board is full of errrrr rumour.

LOL[/b][/quote]
I agree with you. This is getting stupid. I shouldn't have said a thing. I wish you all good luck, gentlemen. Maybe I’ll post here more in the future if you'll have me.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Chichio+Jan 27 2005, 12:07 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Chichio @ Jan 27 2005, 12:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jan 27 2005, 12:01 PM
Originally posted by Chichio@Jan 27 2005, 11:58 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@Jan 27 2005, 11:54 AM
I coupled that info with the fact that I've read something similar on this board before that ended up not being true

LOL

Really?

What thing did you read here that wasn't true?
I don't recall exactly but as I remember quite a few people on this board have a bone to pick with FCI, and I have no issue with that. I remember reading something before about it being the end for FCI, yet they continue to live. I believe it was something similar i.e. servers taken, office raided. I don't really remember. I'm not a regular here obviously.
ahahahahahahaha

So you are rumouring that you don't believe this rumour because you are starting a rumour that our board is full of errrrr rumour.

LOL
I agree with you. This is getting stupid. I shouldn't have said a thing. I wish you all good luck, gentlemen. Maybe I’ll post here more in the future if you'll have me. [/b][/quote]
Delighted to have you here , man. :)

[Dravyk]

Ah well, I see ST ran off. Must have hit a chord there.

I do have to say that both Chichio and TaDoW have made very good first impressions though. Hope they stick around.

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Chichio@Jan 27 2005, 03:07 PM

I agree with you. This is getting stupid. I shouldn't have said a thing. I wish you all good luck, gentlemen. Maybe I’ll post here more in the future if you'll have me.
Everyone is welcome. Continue to come around.... just looks suspicious when your first post smells like spin control.

Kathi vouches for you and thats all I need to know.

[TaDoW]

Originally posted by Dravyk@Jan 27 2005, 12:13 PM
Ah well, I see ST ran off. Must have hit a chord there.

I do have to say that both Chichio and TaDoW have made very good first impressions though. Hope they stick around.
we are not ST...

Like chichio I'm happy to stick around as long as you guys will have me....

I'm sorry if I made a splash when I came in, I just don't like beating around the bush.

I think Kathi said it pretty well.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by TaDoW+Jan 27 2005, 12:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (TaDoW @ Jan 27 2005, 12:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Dravyk@Jan 27 2005, 12:13 PM
Ah well, I see ST ran off. Must have hit a chord there.

I do have to say that both Chichio and TaDoW have made very good first impressions though. Hope they stick around.
we are not ST...

Like chichio I'm happy to stick around as long as you guys will have me....

I'm sorry if I made a splash when I came in, I just don't like beating around the bush.

I think Kathi said it pretty well. [/b][/quote]
You are welcome , mate.

We just usually like an idea who people are.

Welcome to Oprano. :)

[JoesHO]

I met TaDoW in vegas, and he seems like a real good guy to me as well!!

I hope to see you around more , Tim

Chichio , welcome to Oprano.... ( rumors here are quashed early if they are purely rumore you can bet on that)

ever see that wall poster that had the buzzards on the bgracnh, adn the buzzard said "patience my ass I am gonn kill something"

well rest assured those buzzards learned from the guys here LOL
They will let no false rumore come out of here un answeared..

Meat is as credible as they come so believing he would say something to stir shit is completely off base.

street racer you suck!!!!

[XXXPhoto]

Now how long will it take Mike to come along and blame the liberals for this? ...lol

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by XXXPhoto@Jan 27 2005, 04:59 PM
Now how long will it take Mike to come along and blame the liberals for this? ...lol


HAHA :lol: :lol:

I blame the cockholsters!!

Glad something is finally happening with them!!

Somene give Aga and Meat a big broom, so they can sweep out all the cockholsters out the industry!

Hell, maybe I would come back!

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Mike AI+Jan 27 2005, 05:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mike AI @ Jan 27 2005, 05:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-XXXPhoto@Jan 27 2005, 04:59 PM
Now how long will it take Mike to come along and blame the liberals for this? ...lol


HAHA :lol: :lol:

I blame the cockholsters!!

Glad something is finally happening with them!!

Somene give Aga and Meat a big broom, so they can sweep out all the cockholsters out the industry!

Hell, maybe I would come back! [/b][/quote]
oh no!!!!

Look what happened after you started crusade against French!
;-)))

[Vick]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jan 27 2005, 02:54 PM
I coupled that info with the fact that I've read something similar on this board before that ended up not being true

LOL

Really?

What thing did you read here that wasn't true?
I recall something about Nick and 2 hermaphrodite midgets, a cucumber, a trapeze over a piano and a jar of smooth peanut butter











It was chunky when the truth came out if I recall correctly

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Vick+Jan 27 2005, 02:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Vick @ Jan 27 2005, 02:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@Jan 27 2005, 02:54 PM
I coupled that info with the fact that I've read something similar on this board before that ended up not being true

LOL

Really?

What thing did you read here that wasn't true?
I recall something about Nick and 2 hermaphrodite midgets, a cucumber, a trapeze over a piano and a jar of smooth peanut butter











It was chunky when the truth came out if I recall correctly [/b][/quote]
and it was true.

But that rumour was started on trannymidgetforums.com

[gonzo]

Confucy wants to blame Kevin Mitnick..... too bad she cant say jack shit cuz shes under a permanent restraining order.

And too chicken shit to post here...

Face it Confucy ... I personally clipped the lying lips from your face.
Your relegated to unload your mouth full of shit to the sheep at the Zoo and the idol worshippers at JustBlows!

[CuriousToyBoy]

You know I really shouldn't say anything.. but.. fuck it..

Thanks Vick for bringing us back to earth as usual ;-)

I should say Meat has been warning of the practices of ST for a LONG time now, and openly and fully publicly, so none of this is new. Well with the exception of the server grab.... I have heard something on that, but the source is not what I would call fully reliable, so I'll leave it be.

For Tim & Chichio, I too have been around for a long time, but not as long as you, and I lurked boards LONG before I started posting.. when I did first post here I was impaled for what was spin control at that time, but I stuck.

Smarter people across the board here than most other places and worth joining in.

The Oprano board is like the Boy Scouts - "Be Prepared"

:ph34r:

[Dravyk]

Originally posted by CuriousToyBoy@Jan 27 2005, 06:04 PM
Smarter people across the board here than most other places and worth joining in.

The Oprano board is like the Boy Scouts - "Be Prepared"
Boy scouts my ass! :P

Oprano is a crucible, a baptism by fire, for those who are new here. But it is only the latest in a long line of them ... First the original YNOT, later Netpond when Serge was there, in some ways (on some days) GFY can be like that (except it also suffers myriad fools too gladly) ... But Oprano definitely is.

I wouldn't say "no spin zone" is an apt motto or ever was apt for this place. Mike and Serge certainly always had their own "spin" and let others spin in their own various ways.

But this place does like to seperate the chaff from the wheat.

:)

[TaDoW]

a little birdie just dropped this on my lap...
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/202969_adware09.html

[Pornkings Dave]

Originally posted by TaDoW@Jan 27 2005, 04:54 PM
a little birdie just dropped this on my lap...
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/202969_adware09.html
that answers a lot of questions. thanks Tim

[DannyCox]

Originally posted by gonzo@Jan 27 2005, 12:02 PM
Ever notice when the shit hits the fan new names start popping up to that suspiciously look like spin control?
....and some old names too!! :yowsa:

[TheEnforcer]

hahaha!!

Love that avatar Danny!!

[Spw Guru]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Jan 27 2005, 12:19 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Jan 27 2005, 12:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by TaDoW@Jan 27 2005, 12:18 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Dravyk@Jan 27 2005, 12:13 PM
Ah well, I see ST ran off. Must have hit a chord there.

I do have to say that both Chichio and TaDoW have made very good first impressions though. Hope they stick around.
we are not ST...

Like chichio I'm happy to stick around as long as you guys will have me....

I'm sorry if I made a splash when I came in, I just don't like beating around the bush.

I think Kathi said it pretty well.
You are welcome , mate.

We just usually like an idea who people are.

Welcome to Oprano. :) [/b][/quote]
LOL
Not to get off topic but.

I changed my avatar the last one of me at amateur bash in the man sandwich. TaDoW was lead bitch.

Now you have been officially introduced. He is a good guy and runs a fantastic program.

[Nickatilynx]

LOL

New posters HAVE to be pissed with!!!

Its the law.I'd like to change that , but then it would break with tradition ;-)))

Then we leave them alone and welcome them with open arms.

fuck I mean it could have been Lawrence Connor under an assumed name.

We do have some standards !!!!

;-)))


and once again , peace returned to Oprano.....

[JoesHO]

Originally posted by TaDoW@Jan 27 2005, 04:54 PM
a little birdie just dropped this on my lap...
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/202969_adware09.html
Thanks Tim...

:okthumb:

[Ruin]

Ok, the title of this thread is Sextracker, the inside info, so I assume that's what you all want.

Disclaimer: I obviously have an ax to grind, you needn't point that out. Secondly, I am not trying to represent myself as a good guy, I currently work for an adware company.

I was at that "meeting" years ago at Nicks house with Bode. As hostile as Nick is on this board I remember him being a perfect gentlemen and a gracious host in person. I certainly enjoyed Nicks hospitality.

So lets start from the second beginning...

Flying Crocodile Inc. became FCI Inc after Andy Edmond was pushed out due to his gross mismanagement. Shawn Boday and Ross Perkins assumed the role of co-CEO's and shared Andy's former office. I had been on a forced "sabatical" for many months due to my inability to play ball with Andy. Its funny how dificult people (myself included) become when they are lied to, cheated, and not payed. Once Andy was forced out I returned to manage the advertising sales team. This was not to last as Shawn was insistent on managing advertising sales himself. So, I took over the management and marketing of Sexlist, a property I had developed with my partner and sold to FCI a few years before. It was at this time that Richard Fannin (Bama) came to the FCI offices one night to pitch a project to us. Shawn was busy so I met with him. Bama was pitching what is now known as adware. Sneaky adware. I was excited and pulled Shawn into the meeting. Shawn heard Bama out and said thanks but no thanks. We had other shit going on...

More to come.

[Ruin]

I was going to go into great detail, but I'm lazy and would really rather not do all the typing. It would be boring anyways. So I'll just kick down the facts about FCI, Avenue Media, etc...

1. FCI entered into a distribution agreement with Bama, they were to provide Bama with 1 million installs. Shawn read between the lines and noted, "the agreement does not specify where these installs are to come from!" Long story short, Bama got 1 million installs, from China and Korea.

2. While partnered with Bama, FCI had access to the admin to Bama's software. This was used by Shawn to gain valuable insight into the adware business. This access was also used to steal Richards intellectual property. When Bama declined our offer to provide additional services in consideration for a larger stake, we simply started developing our own software. Developers were given access to Bama's admin interface.

3. It was decided that this new business should be based offshore, work commenced on forming Avenue Media. Jim Finnell (CFO and one third of the FCI corporate triumverate) was pushed out at this time by Bob Kim over personal differences as well as Jim's desire to own more of Avenue than Bob, Shawn, and Ross were willing to give up.

More to come...

[Mike AI]

Amazing.

I remember when Bama showed me this product.... I told him he was releasing hell on the net.

[Ruin]

4. Unbeknownst to me (my former partner at Sexlist and I were to have 60 points on FCI/AM's adware deal) FCI had started developing a second, confidential adware product incorporating Bama's feature set, as well as additional functionality Shawn and I had come up with.

5. While a friend/business acquitance was visiting on business Shawn and I (the third person can't be identified) discussed the feasability of distributing through the p2p's as well as through viral email methods.

6. FCI had a employee (interestingly enough he's posted on this thread) working full time adding URL's into the config. These URL's would have either all, or some percentage of their traffic redirected. This list included but was not limited to the top sites on Sextracker! All this work was done from the Seattle offices of FCI, not in Caracao. The employee was on the FCI payroll.

[Ruin]

7. I think it should be noted (this is going to be a big duh to some of you) that the only reason AM was formed was to hide assets and evade taxes. As Bob Kim (the architect of all this jiggery pokery as FCI's CLO) once told me, "yeah dude, we're going to make alot of money, someones going to find out what we're up too and sue the shit out of us. Also, we don't want to pay taxes on any of this income."

My involvement with FCI ended on a sour note when I realized that they had no intention of sharing the ill-gotten gains with me. Obviously these people have bad parents who didn't teach them vital life lessons about sharing and playing well with others.

I moved on and am hated by millions of people the world over in my own right.

And hey fuckers at FCI- You pussy little maggots know who I am, I know who you are. YOU ARE A BUNCH OF COCKSUCKING LITTLE PUNKS THAT WENT FROM HIDING UNDER YOUR MOTHERS SKIRTS TO HIDING BEHIND YOUR PUNK ASS LAWYERS. YOU GET CALLED OUT BY A REAL MAN AND YOU CALL THE POLICE ON YOUR CELLPHONES IN YOUR GANGSTA SUV. YOU KNOW WHO I'M TALKING ABOUT YOU BITCH ASS SCOTT PERKINS. I CAN ONLY HOPE THAT THIS SHIT ABOUT YOU BEING IN TROUBLE IS TRUE, YOU'VE BEEN SUCKING DICK ALL THESE YEARS, AT LEAST YOU'LL GET PAID FOR IT IN THE JOINT. I'LL SEE YOU FAGGY LITTLE WORMS IN HELL AND STAB YOU FUCKS WITH A PITCHFORK.

Ah. Better than sex. Gotta run, I'm late for yoga.

[CuriousToyBoy]

Originally posted by Dravyk+Jan 28 2005, 09:25 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Dravyk @ Jan 28 2005, 09:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-CuriousToyBoy@Jan 27 2005, 06:04 PM
Smarter people across the board here than most other places and worth joining in.

The Oprano board is like the Boy Scouts - "Be Prepared"
Boy scouts my ass! :P [/b][/quote]
I meant in the sense of "Being Prepared" before your fingers do the walking.

The rest of the scouting tradition is unlikely to EVER be confused with Oprano.

He he.

:ph34r:

[BrettJ]

Ruin just doesn't give a fuck. that rocks

~BrettJ
www.DormBucks.com

[TaDoW]

beautiful. Fucking Beautiful.

Seattle misses you eric ... hit me up on icq if you still use it .. 10323612

hope all's well :-)

[JoesHO]

Thanks for the info Ruin..

Hope to see you around these parts more often. :D

[Lord Aga]

Bode, u are fucked.. theres a bunch of guys u pissed off that will end up finishing you :D

I have a couple of affidavits that mean you are fucked already.. and hard drives and video tapes with my lawyer too!

Biggest mistake u made was sueing the spyware company recently! cool info u gave us!

[Winetalk.com]

man oh man....!

Aga,
:okthumb:

[Dravyk]

Eric, nice seeing you! Hit me up sometime and let's chat up the olden days and such.

[Ruin]

Hey guys! You can hit me up on MS Messenger @ e_r_1263@hotmail.com

Yeah, they are fucked. They're fucked because like cockroach's, they only do well in the dark, they can't handle light being shined on their activities.

[Bama]

THANK YOU Eric for posting this information because now I have legal options for stealing my intellectual property and violating a non-disclosure. At the time you and Mark were given access to the administrative back-end - you were not employed by FCI. They violated the non disclosure. They allowed you to duplicate my admin/features on their servers hosted on their network.

That was the direction I was going down before you left the country.

If anyone else has action against FCI, Shawn Boday, Ross Perkins, Scott Perkins or Bob Kim feel free to contact me at fcilawsuit at bamas dot com. I get alot of spam so use Oprano Post as the subject line.

I have a WEALTH of information, contract proposals, emails and ICQ histories regarding this matter.

Nickatilynx - back up this thread/board, then back it up again!

I have signed Non Competes with several adult internet companies. If you have the time and desire to go after a company that you feel is distributing spyware/adware that is taking a significant amount of your income - let's talk.

There is SOOOO much more I could share - but I am not going to violate my agreements and give them a cause of action against me. 2 wrongs don't make a right - it just make 2 wrong people.

[JoesHO]

Originally posted by Bama@Jan 28 2005, 08:02 PM
THANK YOU Eric for posting this information because now I have legal options for stealing my intellectual property and violating a non-disclosure. At the time you and Mark were given access to the administrative back-end - you were not employed by FCI. They violated the non disclosure. They allowed you to duplicate my admin/features on their servers hosted on their network.

That was the direction I was going down before you left the country.

If anyone else has action against FCI, Shawn Boday, Ross Perkins, Scott Perkins or Bob Kim feel free to contact me at fcilawsuit at bamas dot com. I get alot of spam so use Oprano Post as the subject line.

I have a WEALTH of information, contract proposals, emails and ICQ histories regarding this matter.

Nickatilynx - back up this thread/board, then back it up again!

I have signed Non Competes with several adult internet companies. If you have the time and desire to go after a company that you feel is distributing spyware/adware that is taking a significant amount of your income - let's talk.

There is SOOOO much more I could share - but I am not going to violate my agreements and give them a cause of action against me. 2 wrongs don't make a right - it just make 2 wrong people.
Thank you bama... welcome to Oprano. hope to see you around here more too :D

Nothing like a good friday night to meet new people I always say...

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by JoesHO1+Jan 28 2005, 11:12 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JoesHO1 @ Jan 28 2005, 11:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Bama@Jan 28 2005, 08:02 PM
THANK YOU Eric for posting this information because now I have legal options for stealing my intellectual property and violating a non-disclosure. At the time you and Mark were given access to the administrative back-end - you were not employed by FCI. They violated the non disclosure. They allowed you to duplicate my admin/features on their servers hosted on their network.

That was the direction I was going down before you left the country.

If anyone else has action against FCI, Shawn Boday, Ross Perkins, Scott Perkins or Bob Kim feel free to contact me at fcilawsuit at bamas dot com. I get alot of spam so use Oprano Post as the subject line.

I have a WEALTH of information, contract proposals, emails and ICQ histories regarding this matter.

Nickatilynx - back up this thread/board, then back it up again!

I have signed Non Competes with several adult internet companies. If you have the time and desire to go after a company that you feel is distributing spyware/adware that is taking a significant amount of your income - let's talk.

There is SOOOO much more I could share - but I am not going to violate my agreements and give them a cause of action against me. 2 wrongs don't make a right - it just make 2 wrong people.
Thank you bama... welcome to Oprano. hope to see you around here more too :D

Nothing like a good friday night to meet new people I always say... [/b][/quote]


Welcome? He is member number 15.

Bama is REAL old school!

[Ruin]

My pleasure Bama. As for whether or not my posts were ethical or wrong, I don't give a fuck. I haven't been in the States for almost two years now. I don't plan on returning. I would have loved to hang out and sue Shawn and have Bob disbarred, spit on Ross, etc. Be that as it may, I had to get the fuck on out of there for other reasons. So there goes the lawsuit. Furthermore, I don't stay in one country for too long...I'm not worried about their legal goons catching up to me.

There used to be something called honor among theives. They opened this door when they robbed me, I'm just walking through it.

[Bama]

Eric

You know my beef isn't with you or Mark - I was saddened to see you go - but undertand why you had to.

I don't understand Shawn tho. It takes an incredibly small person to screw over the very people that rushed to his defense when he was pushed out by Andy. I don't mean me - hell, I was out the door long before they started in on the people who helped build their business. I'm pissed at me for being duped.

Get yer ass back on ICQ and hit me up 269762

[JoesHO]

Originally posted by Mike AI+Jan 28 2005, 08:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mike AI @ Jan 28 2005, 08:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by JoesHO1@Jan 28 2005, 11:12 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Bama@Jan 28 2005, 08:02 PM
THANK YOU Eric for posting this information because now I have legal options for stealing my intellectual property and violating a non-disclosure. At the time you and Mark were given access to the administrative back-end - you were not employed by FCI. They violated the non disclosure. They allowed you to duplicate my admin/features on their servers hosted on their network.

That was the direction I was going down before you left the country.

If anyone else has action against FCI, Shawn Boday, Ross Perkins, Scott Perkins or Bob Kim feel free to contact me at fcilawsuit at bamas dot com. I get alot of spam so use Oprano Post as the subject line.

I have a WEALTH of information, contract proposals, emails and ICQ histories regarding this matter.

Nickatilynx - back up this thread/board, then back it up again!

I have signed Non Competes with several adult internet companies. If you have the time and desire to go after a company that you feel is distributing spyware/adware that is taking a significant amount of your income - let's talk.

There is SOOOO much more I could share - but I am not going to violate my agreements and give them a cause of action against me. 2 wrongs don't make a right - it just make 2 wrong people.
Thank you bama... welcome to Oprano. hope to see you around here more too :D

Nothing like a good friday night to meet new people I always say...


Welcome? He is member number 15.

Bama is REAL old school! [/b][/quote]
HAHA no I meant me as the new one LOL
I saw his number :D

and am glad he is here . :D

[Ruin]

Thanks Bama. You're going to make me sign up for a ICQ account.

[Bama]

You already have one 251154825 - just gotta remember your password

Now get to work midget and get it up and running - you can help me put cover sheets on the GPS reports --- uhhh yeahhh

[Ruin]

Can't remember it.

Do you still have those recordings I made with Ross and Shawn (Scott?). Either you or Jeffrey Moore has the tape. As I recall there was discussion of redirecting join pages. That is probably credit card or wire fraud. It would be great if the webmaster community that props them and their program up could hear a stream or read transcripts of that. These guys steal from everyone.

What I'd like to know is why various affiliate programs allow these guys to have an account which they payout on?

[iamkathi]

Ruin... come to Atlanta, I still owe you some biscuits and gravy...

I hope all is good for you now. I miss your crazy ass.

Bama, Roll Tide :rokk:

[Ruin]

Kathi! I'm always ok unless I'm discussing FCI.

Why did you have to mention biscuits and gravy? You're making me very hungry.

How are you? What are you doing these days?

[TaDoW]

The irony of ironies ... after how sextracker got their start ... this is how it all ends up

[iamkathi]

Lets not turn this into a SexTracker reunion.

I am with a fantastic company living in Atlanta, loving life.

Hit me up on ICQ... when you remember your password

44-909-580

[Ruin]

Tadow, yeah it is kinda ironic in a sad way. But believe or not I don't sweat these guys at all. The best revenge is to live well, I live alright. Latina chicks rock! :rokk:

Kathi, I'm glad to hear that you are doing well. You deserve it more than most. You were always very kind.

[Nickatilynx]

Eric !!!!!

great seeing you! Appreciate you posting. :)

Also on another note , if you are ever in Vancouver you are totally welcome at my house , always.

Smart , funny and good company. :)


Bama,

I think I have logs of you running it past me and that you were going to come up to Vancouver then changed your mind? Maybe I'm nuts.

[Nickatilynx]

Just caught up on all the posts...

DAMN!!!!!

Bama, I will back up these posts.

Bama and Eric are known to me , I do not doubt them in any way.

I, personally, and Oprano , as publishers ,are willing to stand behind their statements in the event of any action.

I believe that is known as saying "bring it bitch"

:)

I may have to sue Eric for saying I'm "nice" however ;-)))

[CuriousToyBoy]

Originally posted by Bama@Jan 29 2005, 02:44 PM
you can help me put cover sheets on the GPS reports --- uhhh yeahhh
It's TPS reports.

Didn't you get the memo?

:biglaugh:

[jimmyf]

Originally posted by gonzo@Jan 27 2005, 02:55 PM
Confucy wants to blame Kevin Mitnick..... too bad she cant say jack shit cuz shes under a permanent restraining order.

And too chicken shit to post here...

Face it Confucy ... I personally clipped the lying lips from your face.
Your relegated to unload your mouth full of shit to the sheep at the Zoo and the idol worshippers at JustBlows!
what's JustBlows ??

[Chichio]

Ruin, I still have the grinder. I hope you remember. Hopefully our paths will cross again.

[Nickatilynx]

Along with everything else that seems to be being cleared up with Bode , could someone clue us in on the story Re Andy Edmonds.

I never got to know what the hell happened there?

[Raven]

I can always count on Oprano for entertainment, exposes and news.

Getting my popcorn ready.

Thanks, Nick.

[Nickatilynx]

My pleasure :)

Merged them for ease :)

[SykkBoy]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jan 30 2005, 07:00 PM
Along with everything else that seems to be being cleared up with Bode , could someone clue us in on the story Re Andy Edmonds.

I never got to know what the hell happened there?
Andy Edmonds may or may not have had sex with my stepsister...
very long story ;-)

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by SykkBoy+Jan 30 2005, 04:24 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SykkBoy @ Jan 30 2005, 04:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@Jan 30 2005, 07:00 PM
Along with everything else that seems to be being cleared up with Bode , could someone clue us in on the story Re Andy Edmonds.

I never got to know what the hell happened there?
Andy Edmonds may or may not have had sex with my stepsister...
very long story ;-) [/b][/quote]
Go on....

We have time....

:)


( pulls up a chair and grabs :popcorn: )

[SykkBoy]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Jan 30 2005, 07:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Jan 30 2005, 07:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by SykkBoy@Jan 30 2005, 04:24 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@Jan 30 2005, 07:00 PM
Along with everything else that seems to be being cleared up with Bode , could someone clue us in on the story Re Andy Edmonds.

I never got to know what the hell happened there?
Andy Edmonds may or may not have had sex with my stepsister...
very long story ;-)
Go on....

We have time....

:)


( pulls up a chair and grabs :popcorn: ) [/b][/quote]
long story, short

He used to live in a town not far from where I grew up

we talked about hiking in the mountains and canyons of that area and were talking about various people we grew up with in the area over some beers and he mentioned agal he had dated/fucked...and it happened to be my stepsister...

odd thing about my stepsister...she was my gradeschool crush and evena girlfriend for a brief amount of time...then my dad married her mother...it was a very uncomfortable household when I moved in with my dad and stepmother as my mother moved to Arizona...

I recently caught up with her after years of not talking to each other (our parents divorced and we had never bothered to keep in touch) and I happened to mention the story to her and she went oddly silent...basically an admission of guilt ;-)

I know Andy was looking at gettting back into the business a couple eyars ago, but haven't heard anything further about it

[JoesHO]

Somebody start from the beginning, who is Andy edmonds?

[grimm]

Originally posted by JoesHO1@Jan 30 2005, 05:48 PM
Somebody start from the beginning, who is Andy edmonds?
started sextracker with shawn boday, under flying croccodile innovative product for its time, had PK in his corner, which i am sure helped his launch.

was normal in the beginning. started to lose it when money started coming in, way overspent.

lost it

danced naked with other men in the mud.

boday took over

fucked over a lot of people and broke laws.

to be continued.

[Nickatilynx]

Didn't he have a site where he went into detail his expirmentation with various drugs?

[Ruin]

Andy had ties to Lycaeum.org (an online entheogen encyclopedia). No biggie really, Andy is/was something of a psychonaut.

Andy Edmonds was hired by Kelly Kampen in 1996 to code Sexlist, he pulled Ross into the project. They exited out of that deal by breaking into Kelly's office and stealing their employment agreements. When they left they swiped Kelly's IP as well and out of that assfuck came...Sextracker!

Shawn came on board a couple months into the Sextracker project. Shawn was not a founder, programmer, or anything else other than a really smart marketing/advertising/biz dev guy.

Andy got caught up in the times and started to believe his own PR. Too bad because he was a bright individual. Andy was one of the quickest intellects I've had the opportunity to work with in this business. Unfortuantely he had an ego to match. That ego (and hard drugs) got us all in alot of trouble.

[grimm]

Originally posted by Ruin@Jan 30 2005, 11:14 PM
Andy had ties to Lycaeum.org (an online entheogen encyclopedia). No biggie really, Andy is/was something of a psychonaut.

Andy Edmonds was hired by Kelly Kampen in 1996 to code Sexlist, he pulled Ross into the project. They exited out of that deal by breaking into Kelly's office and stealing their employment agreements. When they left they swiped Kelly's IP as well and out of that assfuck came...Sextracker!

Shawn came on board a couple months into the Sextracker project. Shawn was not a founder, programmer, or anything else other than a really smart marketing/advertising/biz dev guy.

Andy got caught up in the times and started to believe his own PR. Too bad because he was a bright individual. Andy was one of the quickest intellects I've had the opportunity to work with in this business. Unfortuantely he had an ego to match. That ego (and hard drugs) got us all in alot of trouble.
he was, but he also came from i believe, Macromedia.

Amen to the ego and hard drugs.

[grimm]

ive liked the site Lycaeum.org for a long time. good drug reference, exellently put together. Before you take that next presription from your doctor or dealer, its an excellent reference to see what you are ingesting;)

[KC]

Originally posted by grimm@Jan 31 2005, 03:01 AM
he was, but he also came from i believe, Macromedia.

Amen to the ego and hard drugs.
Andy worked at Real (Real Player).... Before ST I believe.

-KC

[grimm]

Thats it, Real. that was a long time ago:) Andy went under the nick Nero, didn't he? thats kinda ironic. especially if you replaced "fiddled" with "danced around with naked dudes in the mud"

:D

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by grimm@Jan 31 2005, 12:04 AM
ive liked the site Lycaeum.org for a long time. good drug reference, exellently put together. Before you take that next presription from your doctor or dealer, its an excellent reference to see what you are ingesting;)
I agree I always checked it out too.

[Ruin]

"He stole about 400,000 hits a day from us and our clients which equates to alot fo money in lost revenue and it caused secondary problems as well, we will never repcoup from him what he fucked us for but again we will have the pleasure of a judgement and the bbest reward from that case is when we hand the evidence over to FBI and he winds up in jail for rest of his life.

If you guys new how much sextracker had stolen from you, im sure most of the adult internet companies would be filing suit against him also." -Meat on ST and Shawn Boday

You don't know the half of it.

I seriously doubt that they were "stealing" 400,000 hits from you/yours per day. What Shawn and his crew are doing is much, much worse. They are taking the few hits that DO convert by means of inserting their own affiliate id's as well as redirecting join pages to their own MoneyTree program. This practice is detrimental to the entire industry. Affiliate programs (some are/were actually moneytree clients) are damaged when conversions drop and webmasters move to another program. Webmasters suffer damages in more direct ways, their joins are stolen from them.

[gonzo]

"Shoulda used QuicBucks....owwwwwwwwwwwwww"

[TaDoW]

shit shit ... ruin beat me to it :-)


I will slip this in ... andy is working as a programmer at the seattle office of F5 last I heard :-)

[Nickatilynx]

So it can rewrite an affilate code with theres or change the traffic away from that program to one of their choosing?

[Bama]

Eric,

No, I don't have the tape - Jeff has it

[Nickatilynx]

Was it the same thing that Charlo Barbosa was rumoured to be doing?

[Ruin]

Hey Nick- Please bear in mind that I've been out of the loop over there for a couple years but as of the time I left they could (and did):

Redirect/pop based on keyword, URL, etc.

Insert/replace affiliate id's. If a end user maciacally dropped on a paysite without being referred then Bode added his own affiliate ID, or redirected to his own sites. The latter is the case pertaining to ifriends. Shawn had serious issues with ifriends and was determined to steal as much of their traffic as possible for Tricams. Another target was KC's counter which Shawn wanted to hit so he could buy at a more favorable (for him) price.

[Ruin]

Hey Bama, re: the tape. I don't think Jeff has it. I'll ask him just in case. I believe I have it. It is in storage in the states. Unfortunately I am not at liberty to return right now. I will see what I can do about having someone go throught the boxes and find it. That tape is very important in that Bode, Ross, and Scott are all on there discussing how to commit one of the greatest crimes ever committed online.

[Nickatilynx]

Holy fucking shit!!!

Trouble is , it sounds like an evil wicked program , but It is without a doubt a really brilliant program . LOL ;-)))

KC will be pissed to hear that info.

[MaDalton]

thanks for the interesting inside views in the history of adult internet.

[TDF]

good info here at oprano

[JoesHO]

Originally posted by TDF@Jan 31 2005, 12:44 PM
good info here at oprano
Only the best here , that is for sure!!!! :okthumb:

[aeon]

Err uhh - moneytree as in mtree.com?

The $25 free cam program?

[Far-L]

Congrats to Meat and Aga for taking a stand!

Sometimes lawsuits are the only recourse for a business to resolve a problem once and for all.

I just hope more will follow suit (pun pretty much intended). I won't be happy until all the thieving scum are driven from the industry.

[Dravyk]

Thought a bunch of folks came from HitBox (aka WebSideStory), before ST, no?

[Ruin]

"Was it the same thing that Charlo Barbosa was rumoured to be doing?" -Nick

Yeah, but with one key difference. Charlo was merely rumored to have been up to this kind of bullshit and has since been vindicated. Shawn, Ross, and Scott were all definately redirecting joins and stealing traffic from competitors to grow their own properties, something Charlo deffinately did not do.

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Far-L@Jan 31 2005, 03:53 PM
Congrats to Meat and Aga for taking a stand!

Sometimes lawsuits are the only recourse for a business to resolve a problem once and for all.

I just hope more will follow suit (pun pretty much intended). I won't be happy until all the thieving scum are driven from the industry.
Mr Celebrity is here!!!

Far L long time no see. Wheres the love?

[WEBAIR]

Originally posted by Ruin@Jan 31 2005, 05:27 PM
"Was it the same thing that Charlo Barbosa was rumoured to be doing?" -Nick

Yeah, but with one key difference. Charlo was merely rumored to have been up to this kind of bullshit and has since been vindicated. Shawn, Ross, and Scott were all definately redirecting joins and stealing traffic from competitors to grow their own properties, something Charlo deffinately did not do.
Have to agree with you on that one, seems like that was just a bunch of hype, as we hosted them at the time. Nobody ever contacted us about such instances, let alone proved it! Nothing was siezed, nothing happened at all really...un-necessary drama I guess

[Far-L]

Hey Hey Gonzo!

I am not a celebrity... just another webmaster that wants justice in this world!

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Far-L@Jan 31 2005, 04:54 PM
Hey Hey Gonzo!

I am not a celebrity... just another webmaster that wants justice in this world!
Hehe your got to check out Jenna up close for more than 2 seconds so you must be a celebrity. Or she saw your giffy girls pics!

As you know I personally like to see jutice and I as many share your zest to see the "trash taken out of the business".

Glad to see you made it back over here and Nick and I hope to see more of you as well as your brother and the rest of the Homegrown crew.

[Nickatilynx]

Far-l,

You should check out the other threads here on Oprano concerning FM's part ownership of a scammy webmaster board...its interesting.

Can't understand why FM got involved with it.

http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/index.php?showtopic=16140

[Far-L]

Originally posted by gonzo+Jan 31 2005, 01:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gonzo @ Jan 31 2005, 01:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Far-L@Jan 31 2005, 04:54 PM
Hey Hey Gonzo!

I am not a celebrity... just another webmaster that wants justice in this world!
Hehe your got to check out Jenna up close for more than 2 seconds so you must be a celebrity. Or she saw your giffy girls pics!

As you know I personally like to see jutice and I as many share your zest to see the "trash taken out of the business".

Glad to see you made it back over here and Nick and I hope to see more of you as well as your brother and the rest of the Homegrown crew. [/b][/quote]
Gonzo: Thanks for the welcome and count on seeing me here more!

I have some vague recollection of pissing off someone and being discouraged from posting here for some reason.

OH YEAh!

That was R_N who screamed at me about posting on here and told me to never again!

Oops... :rokk:

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Far-L@Jan 31 2005, 02:17 PM

I have some vague recollection of pissing off someone and being discouraged from posting here for some reason.

OH YEAh!

That was R_N who screamed at me about posting on here and told me to never again!

Oops... :rokk:
Oh really..... ?!?!


Hey Far-l can ya icq me?

8042030

[Far-L]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jan 31 2005, 01:58 PM
Far-l,

You should check out the other threads here on Oprano concerning FM's part ownership of a scammy webmaster board...its interesting.

Can't understand why FM got involved with it.

http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/index.php?showtopic=16140
Nickatilynx: Thanks! I wish I could respond more to that but it won't be a good idea at this time. However, know my gratitude is great.

[Far-L]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Jan 31 2005, 02:19 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Jan 31 2005, 02:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Far-L@Jan 31 2005, 02:17 PM

I have some vague recollection of pissing off someone and being discouraged from posting here for some reason.

OH YEAh!

That was R_N who screamed at me about posting on here and told me to never again!

Oops... :rokk:
Oh really..... ?!?!


Hey Far-l can ya icq me?

8042030 [/b][/quote]
Sorry.. I don't have icq... is messenger by any chance an option? hgtimlake at hotmail.com

[Ruin]

Anyone looking to sue Shawn, Ross, or Scott? Would you like to have an impromptu webmaster get together and discuss what they've been doing? Want to see the nice cars and toys they've bought with YOUR money? Go to

11301 Lakeside ave NE
seattle WA 98125

You can serve these fucks at this address as they all live there. Nice house.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Ruin@Jan 31 2005, 03:17 PM
Anyone looking to sue Shawn, Ross, or Scott? Would you like to have an impromptu webmaster get together and discuss what they've been doing? Want to see the nice cars and toys they've bought with YOUR money? Go to

11301 Lakeside ave NE
seattle WA 98125

You can serve these fucks at this address as they all live there. Nice house.
http://www.oprano.com/satmapseattle.jpg


Only 100 yds from Lake Washington?

Nice area....

[Ruin]

Yeah it is nice. Kurt Cobain used to rent it, he actually still get mail there, or used to at least.

Word of caution: Scott Perkins is a bitch made prick who is scared of his shadow. This is a bad thing as Scott carries pistols on him.

Hey Scott, what's up Jesse James? You write checks your body can't cash? Gotta stay strapped you twirpy thug? Ha! You're still a bitch ass victim. What happens when you're in the pen? Better start paying more attention in your Tai Bo classes, maybe take some fencing classes...with a toothbrush.

[Lord Aga]

Originally posted by Ruin@Jan 31 2005, 12:01 PM
"He stole about 400,000 hits a day from us and our clients which equates to alot fo money in lost revenue and it caused secondary problems as well, we will never repcoup from him what he fucked us for but again we will have the pleasure of a judgement and the bbest reward from that case is when we hand the evidence over to FBI and he winds up in jail for rest of his life.

If you guys new how much sextracker had stolen from you, im sure most of the adult internet companies would be filing suit against him also." -Meat on ST and Shawn Boday

You don't know the half of it.

I seriously doubt that they were "stealing" 400,000 hits from you/yours per day. What Shawn and his crew are doing is much, much worse. They are taking the few hits that DO convert by means of inserting their own affiliate id's as well as redirecting join pages to their own MoneyTree program. This practice is detrimental to the entire industry. Affiliate programs (some are/were actually moneytree clients) are damaged when conversions drop and webmasters move to another program. Webmasters suffer damages in more direct ways, their joins are stolen from them.
We woke up one morning to a 30% drop in traffic and revenue.. at the time we were handling all of a MAJOR players non US traffic. millions of hits per day. They basically redirected all hits that were meant for our domain.. to the moneytree dialer.

I bought a new pc.. infected it with thier shit and videod the evidence.. we even flew our Lawyer over the Atlantic to England to help out.

Everyone says that there was no way that they could make a 30% dent in revenue.. but most of our revenue came from UK traffic.. and they had been installing spyware on UK surfers for years.. I would imagine they have infected a huge amount of UK pcs..

[Ruin]

Sounds realistic to me. Especially in light of some information I've been provided by former FCI (not Avenue Media) employees that worked on this project. They were distributing via illegal methods (cracks), nevermind uploads to the dialers.

[JoesHO]

Far L do you ever get up to Portland? I always here homegrown is here, but yet to meet any of you...

would love to take you out to lunch someday, or maybe hit Stars out in beaverton

[Mike AI]

Far-L you are my hero!!

[Opti]

Originally posted by Lord Aga@Feb 1 2005, 09:45 AM
We woke up one morning to a 30% drop in traffic and revenue.. at the time we were handling all of a MAJOR players non US traffic. millions of hits per day. They basically redirected all hits that were meant for our domain.. to the moneytree dialer.

I bought a new pc.. infected it with thier shit and videod the evidence.. we even flew our Lawyer over the Atlantic to England to help out.

Everyone says that there was no way that they could make a 30% dent in revenue.. but most of our revenue came from UK traffic.. and they had been installing spyware on UK surfers for years.. I would imagine they have infected a huge amount of UK pcs..
30% overnight!... they must be very confident about not being held responsible personally.. :\ good luck Aga


(love Oprano for threads like this)

[vicki]

holy cow! two unbelievable things are happening here

#1 - all I can say is, its ABOUT DAMN TIME!

#2 - you guys put a thread so good it's made me break my silence to say ... it's ABOUT DAMN TIME!


gl to all that go after them
________________
over and out

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by vicki@Feb 1 2005, 08:20 AM
holy cow! two unbelievable things are happening here

#1 - all I can say is, its ABOUT DAMN TIME!

#2 - you guys put a thread so good it's made me break my silence to say ... it's ABOUT DAMN TIME!


gl to all that go after them
________________
over and out
vicki ,

Welcome to Oprano.

Could you humour me and post an introductory thread about yourself , we'd love to get to knopw you better.

[vicki]

I'll just give a brief wave and intro to keep the thread clean :)

I started in adult in 97
I've been to alot of conventions over the years
I know many of your posters here and many have met me .. those I don't know, I know OF. lol
I ignore the 'high postcount for sig leasing' option as you can tell *grin*
Now i'm into banking ;)


back to the thread, I've known for over a year that the counter was full of spyware/adware .. I'm all for taking them down the hard road

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by vicki@Feb 1 2005, 10:07 AM
I'll just give a brief wave and intro to keep the thread clean :)

I started in adult in 97
I've been to alot of conventions over the years
I know many of your posters here and many have met me .. those I don't know, I know OF. lol
I ignore the 'high postcount for sig leasing' option as you can tell *grin*
Now i'm into banking ;)


back to the thread, I've known for over a year that the counter was full of spyware/adware .. I'm all for taking them down the hard road


intriguing....

;-))

[Dravyk]

Good to see you, Vicki. :bwave:

[Don King]

They need to suffer...they need to pay pay
Someone told me that shawn is gay

I'd be willing to arrange if you are willing to pay
a webmaster fight between ruin and boday





Only in San Diego ladies and gentlemen , only in San diego!!!

[Ruin]

Lets get it on!

[TaDoW]

Originally posted by Don King@Feb 2 2005, 04:50 PM
They need to suffer...they need to pay pay
Someone told me that shawn is gay

I'd be willing to arrange if you are willing to pay
a webmaster fight between ruin and boday





Only in San Diego ladies and gentlemen , only in San diego!!!
lol :-)

this don king character is funny as shit

I say if you're going to stay anon, you should have to speak in rhyme all the time =)

[Don King]

Man!!!

I ain't a character , this isn't a part
I'm showing you the marketeers art.

Now I may be slow and I may be dense..
But I'm told this scam is not in past tense.

Its seem if you go and click on there shit
then run antispyware well, its still it

sextracker.exe will show on your file
these crazy white boys still in denial!!!!

[Opti]

A webmaster just contacted me to ask that I check a URL....

He said his ARS links where re-directing to moneytree... so he called ARS and was told that he had a trojan on his pc and it wasnt their fault.

I checked his link and got same thing... but when I clicked to the same site with a different affiliate code in URL... I get the correct ARS join page with correct affiliate link.

Does this sound right to all you ex Sextracker/AM people?

anyway.. if you want to see what happens, if you are infected by trying these 2 links

http://www.adultrevenueservice.com/re.php?...&p=p&b=&cen=&c= (http://www.adultrevenueservice.com/re.php?s=EXL&a=7552404&p=p&b=&cen=&c=)
and
http://www.adultrevenueservice.com/re.php?...&p=p&b=&cen=&c= (http://www.adultrevenueservice.com/re.php?s=EXL&a=181220&p=p&b=&cen=&c=)

second one redirects to moneytree for me :(



How do you get rid if this stuff does anyone know?