You have $50k spare....

[Nickatilynx]

What do you do with it?

Putting it in the bank seems daft.

Expanding your online business seems a good idea.

So what would you do with it?

Buy traffic?

Build sites?

Buy content?

[sarettah]

Send me that 50K you have laying around and I'll let you know what I do with it.

I'm not one for much forward planning :yowsa:

[Spw Guru]

Invest in real estate!

Find a way to suppliment your adult buisness and use maybe 5-10k to grow your existing buisness..

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by sarettah@Jan 25 2005, 09:00 AM
Send me that 50K you have laying around and I'll let you know what I do with it.

I'm not one for much forward planning :yowsa:
Fuck I'm a mind reader as soon as I saw you had answered , my only question was "Wonder what angle he took to make a smartassed remark...betcha its "send me the money"

;-)))

[Newton]

Invest in corporate ideas, technology and new business delivery concepts ;)

[StreetRacer]

collection service. hire thugs, collect debts from adult webmasters and companies.

i am sure there is a good 100 - 200 mil $ screwed over in the past years floating

you could make a killing collecting from Ibill, Epoch, DMR, And ccbill alone :)

[Mike AI]

Buy a single girl site.

http://www.wantongirls.com/singlegirls

[XXXPhoto]

stick 10k in my party poker account and I'll see if can double it in month... 40-60 split... :)

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by XXXPhoto@Jan 25 2005, 09:35 AM
stick 10k in my party poker account and I'll see if can double it in month... 40-60 split... :)
Came 4th in the $10 7stud tourny last night.

I love 7 stud , but thats the only multitable tourny they have.

Won $480 though which is better than a kick in the ass :)

So far in those ..I've played 14...been in the money 8 , top 20 4 times and final table twice. I need a life lol.

[TheEnforcer]

Open up a new program!! :awinky:

[cd34]

Originally posted by Spw Guru@Jan 25 2005, 09:04 AM
Invest in real estate!
That assumes that you can find properties that aren't overly inflated due to low interest rates. The 20% annualized gain you see in many areas is only 20% because low interest rates made it possible for buyers to overextend. I don't think interest rates will continue to hover at their current rates for long and that probably won't eliminate the capital appreciation, but, might stagnate values for a while.

Then you need to find something that is more passive than active in real estate. $50k leveraged properly might get you a $500k property if you have good credit and are ready to sign a personal guarantee. Don't want to encumber yourself? Until you are proven, 20-25% down is required.

$50k doesn't do much in real estate -- might earn you $200/month in somewhat passive income with the potential upside % of any capital appreciation in the property. This goes for commercial or residential and assumes an 8% vacancy/repair reserve. Commercial properties tend to sign longer leases, so, you could say $400/month.

The rule of thumb in real estate investing is to shoot for an 8% cap rate -- 8%. Deals that have a 15%+ cap rate are usually $500-$600k down, $3-4 million. Stodgy old men and Joe Homemaker are happy to earn 8%. Being in the adult world, 8% is rather depressing.

If you have 50k, find some of those 'we buy homes for cash' people -- they will usually pay 12% and you can't get much more passive than that.

What would I do with $50k?

For now, I'd find a $250k commercial building or duplex and shoot for that 8%. With aggressive deal finding, I do believe you can turn $50k into $7m in 8 years. (Actually, my numbers started with $40k and made the assumption of only a 5% annual appreciation rate) $13m if you believe the current trends in real estate of 10%+ gains per year will continue.

Why real estate?

Do you want a cash cow, (well, until Shell mucked things up) buy a gas station. Gas stations cannot be finananced through SBA, most banks won't touch it. Want to buy a business? Buy a dry cleaner drop-off -- requires 1-2 employees and is based on the location. Want to finance buying a drop-off store? can't talk to a bank, they won't do it. SBA MIGHT touch it. If you can find a laundromat that has marked up their FF&E, you might be able to finance a laundromat.

The banks understand real estate -- they understand 2nd homes. They don't understand how to loan money on a business that could disappear overnight if you mismanage it.

I've spent the last 25 months repositioning myself after figuring out the game. After Feb 1 (I hope), I'll have things on the right path. :) Its been a long journey, but, I'm seeing the light at the end of the tunnel.... and this time it doesn't look like an oncoming train.

[pushpills]

put it on black.

[Peaches]

I'd start a check cashing store

[Almighty Colin]

That's a hellova second post, cd34

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by pushpills@Jan 25 2005, 12:47 PM
put it on black.
I played black 8 times in a row last time I gambled. 8 reds. Last time I gambled.

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Peaches@Jan 25 2005, 12:49 PM
I'd start a check cashing store
Why?

[JR]

Originally posted by Almighty Colin+Jan 25 2005, 10:02 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Almighty Colin @ Jan 25 2005, 10:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Peaches@Jan 25 2005, 12:49 PM
I'd start a check cashing store
Why? [/b][/quote]
very high profit business. its like stealing from the poor, only legal.

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Almighty Colin+Jan 25 2005, 02:02 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Almighty Colin @ Jan 25 2005, 02:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Peaches@Jan 25 2005, 12:49 PM
I'd start a check cashing store
Why? [/b][/quote]
Incredible ROI.

Buying trailers at foreclosure sales and renting them out weekly is also a good money maker :)

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by JR+Jan 25 2005, 10:07 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JR @ Jan 25 2005, 10:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Almighty Colin@Jan 25 2005, 10:02 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Peaches@Jan 25 2005, 12:49 PM
I'd start a check cashing store
Why?
very high profit business. its like stealing from the poor, only legal. [/b][/quote]
50 k wouldn't get that off the ground would it?

[Sabby]

Just go buy a boobjob and lots of sexy underwear and stiletos!!!

Best investment ever ;)



Sabby:)

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Jan 25 2005, 02:11 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Jan 25 2005, 02:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by JR@Jan 25 2005, 10:07 AM
Originally posted by Almighty Colin@Jan 25 2005, 10:02 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Peaches@Jan 25 2005, 12:49 PM
I'd start a check cashing store
Why?
very high profit business. its like stealing from the poor, only legal.
50 k wouldn't get that off the ground would it? [/b][/quote]
They do have things called business loans, but if not, go for the trailer rentals :)

$50K would buy you an acre of land and 4 trailers plus extras to put on there :okthumb:

[cd34]

Originally posted by Almighty Colin@Jan 25 2005, 10:01 AM
That's a hellova second post, cd34
I've posted on other boards before. :)

[JR]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Jan 25 2005, 10:11 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Jan 25 2005, 10:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by JR@Jan 25 2005, 10:07 AM
Originally posted by Almighty Colin@Jan 25 2005, 10:02 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Peaches@Jan 25 2005, 12:49 PM
I'd start a check cashing store
Why?
very high profit business. its like stealing from the poor, only legal.
50 k wouldn't get that off the ground would it? [/b][/quote]
for the determined, everything is possible.

[XXXPhoto]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Jan 25 2005, 09:40 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Jan 25 2005, 09:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-XXXPhoto@Jan 25 2005, 09:35 AM
stick 10k in my party poker account and I'll see if can double it in month... 40-60 split... :)
Came 4th in the $10 7stud tourny last night.

I love 7 stud , but thats the only multitable tourny they have.

Won $480 though which is better than a kick in the ass :)

So far in those ..I've played 14...been in the money 8 , top 20 4 times and final table twice. I need a life lol. [/b][/quote]
excellent! Played NL tourneys exclusively from Nov through Dec and ended up even when all was said and done... Moved to limit mining the small tables and working out much better profit wise...

If you get a chance to pick up Sklansky's tourney book and his stud one they're worth the cost and good reads, albeit math heavy... ;o)

[cd34]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jan 25 2005, 10:11 AM
50 k wouldn't get that off the ground would it?
http://bizbuysell.com/cgi-bin/addetail?q=148220
http://bizbuysell.com/cgi-bin/addetail?q=94356

Note the first one, $30m gross, $250k net. Now, if you're advertising a business, generally you include owner benefit in the net. Doesn't fit the definition of high profit to me -- nor does it come anywhere near a $50k budget. :)

Second one is $330k, net of $80k -- much much better profit margin.

Check cashing stores are profitable, but require huge amounts of liquid cash. If I were going to do check cashing, I'd buy an armored truck and drive around to large construction sites on payday -- and pay a kickback to the construction companies for letting me on the grounds rather than sitting outside and perhaps even getting them to stagger payroll time slightly to allow me to make the maximum benefit.

But then you have employees.... tens of thousands of cash sitting there.... who can you trust to handle money like that?

I much prefer something where the money comes in electronically and my loss liability is smaller.

Heck, for $50k you can buy a banking license in many carribean locales.

[Dravyk]

Open up a liquor store complete with a state lottery machine in a poor neighborhood. Two months later, open another. :ph34r:

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Sabby@Jan 25 2005, 10:17 AM
Just go buy a boobjob and lots of sexy underwear and stiletos!!!

Best investment ever ;)



Sabby:)
Perfect!!!

I'll be back later , I'm off shopping ;-))

[Mike AI]

CD34, I like the way you think.

If you have any business ideas, or want to just discuss Re or any other business, hit me up.

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by JR+Jan 25 2005, 01:07 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JR @ Jan 25 2005, 01:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Almighty Colin@Jan 25 2005, 10:02 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Peaches@Jan 25 2005, 12:49 PM
I'd start a check cashing store
Why?
its like stealing from the poor, only legal. [/b][/quote]
I like it. There are so many poor.

[SykkBoy]

Originally posted by Peaches@Jan 25 2005, 12:49 PM
I'd start a check cashing store
mmm, legal loan sharking :)

A guy I bowl with manages a check cashing store and is amazed at even how many "well off" people use his store. Even casino supervisors who are making over $125K a year...

They are great because there is a lot of recurring income. People get into a cycle of having to use them. He also said 25% of their income is from selling extras like monye orders, stamps, phone cards, etc. As soon as someone gets their cash the cashier upsells them these things.

He's trying to talk to store owner into doing it online (he has 12 physical stores in Nevada and is exploring possibly doing them via the Internet).

mmmm, 834% interest.....

[cd34]

Originally posted by SykkBoy@Jan 25 2005, 12:25 PM
A guy I bowl with manages a check cashing store and is amazed at even how many "well off" people use his store. Even casino supervisors who are making over $125K a year...
Businesses also have been known to write checks to 'vendors' and cash them.

To the accountant/IRS, it looks like an expense.
To the Check Cashing company it is a 3rd party check, and thus, extra $$ in fees & %
To the business owner, its tax free money.

Of course now you have Epassporte and PayPal for tax avoidance.

Many many ways to dodge taxes. And yet, none of them legal.

[Nickatilynx]

cd34 , all I can say is welcome to Oprano!

:)

[Jesse_DD]

Some good ideas here. (Ears Open)

[Biggy]

Thats an easy question..

Go to Vegas, put it on red, and double it in seconds!

[SykkBoy]

Originally posted by cd34+Jan 25 2005, 03:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cd34 @ Jan 25 2005, 03:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-SykkBoy@Jan 25 2005, 12:25 PM
A guy I bowl with manages a check cashing store and is amazed at even how many "well off" people use his store. Even casino supervisors who are making over $125K a year...
Businesses also have been known to write checks to 'vendors' and cash them.

To the accountant/IRS, it looks like an expense.
To the Check Cashing company it is a 3rd party check, and thus, extra $$ in fees & %
To the business owner, its tax free money.

Of course now you have Epassporte and PayPal for tax avoidance.

Many many ways to dodge taxes. And yet, none of them legal. [/b][/quote]
these aren't business checks though
these are regular dudes getting their little high interest loans every two weeks...

[Lee]

Real estate / land :)

Especially in Florida, especially right up by Daytona / Ormond area ;)

[Cleo]

I would buy a pair of sharks with frickin' laser beams and begin my takeover of the world.

[DrGuile]

Originally posted by Cleo@Jan 25 2005, 04:58 PM
I would buy a pair of sharks with frickin' laser beams and begin my takeover of the world.
50k will only get you angry seabasses now....


damn greenpeace....

[Dravyk]

Originally posted by Cleo@Jan 25 2005, 04:58 PM
I would buy a pair of sharks with frickin' laser beams and begin my takeover of the world.
As though Enforcer weren't scared enough. B)

[sarettah]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Jan 25 2005, 12:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Jan 25 2005, 12:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-sarettah@Jan 25 2005, 09:00 AM
Send me that 50K you have laying around and I'll let you know what I do with it.

I'm not one for much forward planning :yowsa:
Fuck I'm a mind reader as soon as I saw you had answered , my only question was "Wonder what angle he took to make a smartassed remark...betcha its "send me the money"

;-))) [/b][/quote]
Smart ass ?? Moi ???

I was serious. Send me 50K (USD of course) and I will let you know what I do with it.

Or just send me the 50K and I will keep quiet about what I do with it.

The important part of all that is

SEND ME $50K


I will take good care of it, I promise.

trust me

seriously

:yowsa:

[Monk]

Originally posted by cd34@Jan 25 2005, 12:44 PM

For now, I'd find a $250k commercial building or duplex and shoot for that 8%. With aggressive deal finding, I do believe you can turn $50k into $7m in 8 years. (Actually, my numbers started with $40k and made the assumption of only a 5% annual appreciation rate) $13m if you believe the current trends in real estate of 10%+ gains per year will continue.

what's it work out to when real estate values depreciate... not appreciate?

[grimm]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jan 25 2005, 08:58 AM
What do you do with it?

Putting it in the bank seems daft.

Expanding your online business seems a good idea.

So what would you do with it?

Buy traffic?

Build sites?

Buy content?
Take The Patriots in the Super Bowl?;)

[grimm]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Jan 25 2005, 09:34 AM
Buy a single girl site.

http://www.wantongirls.com/singlegirls
awesome!

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by grimm+Jan 25 2005, 05:09 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (grimm @ Jan 25 2005, 05:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@Jan 25 2005, 08:58 AM
What do you do with it?

Putting it in the bank seems daft.

Expanding your online business seems a good idea.

So what would you do with it?

Buy traffic?

Build sites?

Buy content?
Take The Patriots in the Super Bowl?;) [/b][/quote]
:okthumb:

[Pornwolf]

Like Mike AI said, I lile the way CD34 thinks! Welcome!

[cd34]

Originally posted by Monk@Jan 25 2005, 04:47 PM
what's it work out to when real estate values depreciate... not appreciate?
That is an unavoidable problem in any business. Its just a matter of making the best educated guess you can make.

I've got a few theories regarding making those educated guesses -- regrettably, one of those theories is really poorly timed. Short of certain global events, they aren't making too much more coastline.

[PornoDoggy]

There was a time I would take $50k to South Texas for a fairly decent ROI ... but then I learned to just say no. :)

I know a couple of people who sold "rental" outlet franchises in order to open regular check cashing places (not the payroll advance racket) - and they were making damned good money on the rental outlets. A lot less Workman's Comp liability in the check cashing thing, and suprisingly little difference in the insurace requirements.

[JerryW]

Been a long time since I've posted here, but this thread looks very interesting.

I'm surprised that everyone here wants to investt off-line. Is online investments dead or is it just ROI on bricks is better now.

Me, I'd hire a bunch of cheap Russian programmers and churn out new software. Sell them online cheap, bundle them on a cd and publish them for off-line stores.

[Dravyk]

Originally posted by grimm@Jan 25 2005, 08:09 PM
Take The Patriots in the Super Bowl?;)
You're just lucky there's no "hit you with a trout" icon here. <_<

[Mr Benn]

1.) $20k to test different advertising mediums; try several configurations on the one which initially performs the best, to improve it further (aiming for 100%+ ROI).

2.) $30k into the best performer from 1.

3.) Invest all returns back into running the same advertising a couple more times, spending ~$60k then ~$120k, and evaluate the options again.