Anyone watching inaguration?

[Mike AI]

It's wonderful to watch the peaceful transfer of power ( though its Bush's 2nd term.) Democracy - Our gift to the world.

[Lee]

No plans to watch it here.

Although from what i gather there are some concerns about the security of Bush during the ceremony so who knows it could be interesting to watch.. decisions, decisions.

[dantheman]

yeah but the singers they have are not doing anything for me.

[Peaches]

I have it on in the background.

[Mike AI]

Yeah same here, waiting for the important stuff.....

[pushpills]

bush blinks alot.

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by pushpills@Jan 20 2005, 11:45 AM
bush blinks alot.


It's a secret message to commando units to feed Michael Moore extra doughnuts to keep his mind off of Bush for a few hours.....

[pushpills]

Originally posted by Mike AI+Jan 20 2005, 10:48 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mike AI @ Jan 20 2005, 10:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-pushpills@Jan 20 2005, 11:45 AM
bush blinks alot.


It's a secret message to commando units to feed Michael Moore extra doughnuts to keep his mind off of Bush for a few hours..... [/b][/quote]
could be.


jesus, there's alot of jesus talk in the inaguration

[Peaches]

I liked the singers on American Idol better!

[SykkBoy]

I'm watching it on the Spanish channel...

[Almighty Colin]

Nah. It's a rerun.

[Nickatilynx]

Ahahahaha mike!!! You fucking shit disturber!!!

Democracy - Our gift to the world.

Not gonna rise to it...


nope...

not biting....


FUCK IT!!!!

Gift!!! Its a fucking curse!!!!

Be a democracy or die!!

I blame the fucking Greeks for starting it...bastards~! ;-))

And no , I'm not watching it.

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jan 20 2005, 12:35 PM


I blame the fucking Greeks for starting it...bastards~! ;-))


Me too. The Greeks were right! Except Socrates and he got his.

[Mike AI]

OK lemme change it....

Modern Democracy.


Make you feel a little better Nick?

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Jan 20 2005, 09:47 AM
OK lemme change it....

Modern Democracy.


Make you feel a little better Nick?
Not really...


After the fucking Greeks , I of course Blame the French. ;-)))

BASTARDS!!!


The United States really just did a "Brad Shaw" on democracy.....

Copied it poorly.Took all the meaning , intent and enjoyment out of it and then they keep telling us how THEIR idea is so good that everyone else gets sick of hearing it , and decides to tell them to fuck themselves.

OK , the comparison does fall down a bit because if you don't go along with the way the US feels they can fuck you up.

Whereas Brad has to resort to making a gay video...

;-)))

[XXXPhoto]

I hope they serve pretzels...

[PornoDoggy]

My girlfriend wouldn't let me fly the flag upside down today ... :(

[Mike AI]

Nick who did out Founding Father's copy?

Come now, the US is the longest continual democracy in the WORLD today.

Don't hate... embrace!!


PD I am happy to see your girlfriend is keeping you in line, you should keep her around.

:salute:

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Jan 20 2005, 12:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Jan 20 2005, 12:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mike AI@Jan 20 2005, 09:47 AM
OK lemme change it....

Modern Democracy.


Make you feel a little better Nick?
Not really...


After the fucking Greeks , I of course Blame the French. ;-)))

BASTARDS!!!


The United States really just did a "Brad Shaw" on democracy.....

Copied it poorly.Took all the meaning , intent and enjoyment out of it and then they keep telling us how THEIR idea is so good that everyone else gets sick of hearing it , and decides to tell them to fuck themselves.

OK , the comparison does fall down a bit because if you don't go along with the way the US feels they can fuck you up.

Whereas Brad has to resort to making a gay video...

;-))) [/b][/quote]
Bah! People of the world's other nations plagiarize America's criticisms of itself and then not only don't give credit but claim that the US is now not free to such discourse. ala RawAlex.

Go straight to the source. The NY Times!

[grimm]

is that today? im watching ESPNews.

[aeon]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Jan 20 2005, 10:08 AM
Come now, the US is the longest continual democracy in the WORLD today.

Don't hate... embrace!!
We're not a democracy...It's called a constitutional republic.

PD - tell her to get in the kitchen, where she belongs.

[Dravyk]

I'm not watching. The plot is contrived and unoriginal. The lead actor isn't remotely believable. And it's going to take four years to get to the ending.

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by aeon+Jan 20 2005, 02:02 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (aeon @ Jan 20 2005, 02:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mike AI@Jan 20 2005, 10:08 AM
Come now, the US is the longest continual democracy in the WORLD today.

Don't hate... embrace!!
We're not a democracy...It's called a constitutional republic.

PD - tell her to get in the kitchen, where she belongs. [/b][/quote]


Aeon, you have a gift for the obvious.

I am using the term democracy loosly....

You can relax now.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Jan 20 2005, 11:11 AM




I am using the term democracy loosly....


Yeah...

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by aeon+Jan 20 2005, 02:02 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (aeon @ Jan 20 2005, 02:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mike AI@Jan 20 2005, 10:08 AM
Come now, the US is the longest continual democracy in the WORLD today.

Don't hate... embrace!!
We're not a democracy...It's called a constitutional republic.

PD - tell her to get in the kitchen, where she belongs. [/b][/quote]
Aeon - can't tell her that yet. If I do, she'll go in there and cook supper ...






which means I gotta do the dishes. I'd rather cook.

[aeon]

Originally posted by Mike AI+Jan 20 2005, 11:11 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mike AI @ Jan 20 2005, 11:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by aeon@Jan 20 2005, 02:02 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Mike AI@Jan 20 2005, 10:08 AM
Come now, the US is the longest continual democracy in the WORLD today.

Don't hate... embrace!!
We're not a democracy...It's called a constitutional republic.

PD - tell her to get in the kitchen, where she belongs.


Aeon, you have a gift for the obvious.

I am using the term democracy loosly....

You can relax now.[/b][/quote]
Pointing out the obvious is good sometimes.

This whole thing depressed me. American idiocy being plastered all over the world. It's kinda like having a retarded brother embarrassing you in front of everyone in the mall.

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by aeon+Jan 20 2005, 02:20 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (aeon @ Jan 20 2005, 02:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Mike AI@Jan 20 2005, 11:11 AM
Originally posted by aeon@Jan 20 2005, 02:02 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Mike AI@Jan 20 2005, 10:08 AM
Come now, the US is the longest continual democracy in the WORLD today.

Don't hate... embrace!!
We're not a democracy...It's called a constitutional republic.

PD - tell her to get in the kitchen, where she belongs.


Aeon, you have a gift for the obvious.

I am using the term democracy loosly....

You can relax now.
Pointing out the obvious is good sometimes.

This whole thing depressed me. American idiocy being plastered all over the world. It's kinda like having a retarded brother embarrassing you in front of everyone in the mall. [/b][/quote]


:lol: :lol: You must be a little shy.

Embarassing? Come now.

Embarasing is dancing around in steets dragging dead multilated bodies behind.

Embarassing is having a future Monarch who dresses as a Nazi.

Embarassing is being on your 4th Republic, trying to hold on to power that has faded 100 years ago.

Embarassing is constructing a new statue to Stalin in the year 2005 to try and help your nation feel better about itself.

Embarassing is being a Canadian, where your opinion and that of your Country is on the same level as Uganda.

We all have something the be embarassed about.

[TheEnforcer]

Nope. Haven't seen one second of it. Didn't watch either of Clinton's either. Inaugurals bore me to tears. I'll watch his State of the Union speech though to see how much sunshine he tries to shove up our asses like all presidents do.

:P

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by aeon@Jan 20 2005, 02:02 PM
We're not a democracy...It's called a constitutional republic.


Constitutional Republics are a subclass of Democracies.

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Jan 20 2005, 02:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Jan 20 2005, 02:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mike AI@Jan 20 2005, 11:11 AM




I am using the term democracy loosly....


Yeah... [/b][/quote]
haha. Nick, you have best the sense of humor of anyone I've ever known. But it doesn't make you right ;-) ;-)

[aeon]

Originally posted by Almighty Colin+Jan 20 2005, 11:49 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Almighty Colin @ Jan 20 2005, 11:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-aeon@Jan 20 2005, 02:02 PM
We're not a democracy...It's called a constitutional republic.


Constitutional Republics are a subclass of Democracies.[/b][/quote]
Congrats, you win the even more obvious award.
edit - this applies to the US government structure/edit

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Jan 20 2005, 02:28 PM
Embarassing? Come now.

Embarasing is dancing around in steets dragging dead multilated bodies behind.

Embarassing is having a future Monarch who dresses as a Nazi.

Embarassing is being on your 4th Republic, trying to hold on to power that has faded 100 years ago.

Embarassing is constructing a new statue to Stalin in the year 2005 to try and help your nation feel better about itself.

Embarassing is being a Canadian, where your opinion and that of your Country is on the same level as Uganda.

We all have something the be embarassed about.
Embarassing is having to admit that you are just as American as I am.

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by aeon+Jan 20 2005, 02:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (aeon @ Jan 20 2005, 02:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Almighty Colin@Jan 20 2005, 11:49 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-aeon@Jan 20 2005, 02:02 PM
We're not a democracy...It's called a constitutional republic.


Constitutional Republics are a subclass of Democracies.
Congrats, you win the even more obvious award.
edit - this applies to the US government structure/edit [/b][/quote]
So you were wrong. Ok. We agree.

[aeon]

Originally posted by Almighty Colin+Jan 20 2005, 12:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Almighty Colin @ Jan 20 2005, 12:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by aeon@Jan 20 2005, 02:54 PM
Originally posted by Almighty Colin@Jan 20 2005, 11:49 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-aeon@Jan 20 2005, 02:02 PM
We're not a democracy...It's called a constitutional republic.


Constitutional Republics are a subclass of Democracies.
Congrats, you win the even more obvious award.
edit - this applies to the US government structure/edit
So you were wrong. Ok. We agree.[/b][/quote]
No...in the US there's a democratic facet to a republic. It's not a pre requisite for the concept at large.

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by aeon+Jan 20 2005, 03:09 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (aeon @ Jan 20 2005, 03:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Almighty Colin@Jan 20 2005, 12:05 PM
Originally posted by aeon@Jan 20 2005, 02:54 PM
Originally posted by Almighty Colin@Jan 20 2005, 11:49 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-aeon@Jan 20 2005, 02:02 PM
We're not a democracy...It's called a constitutional republic.


Constitutional Republics are a subclass of Democracies.
Congrats, you win the even more obvious award.
edit - this applies to the US government structure/edit
So you were wrong. Ok. We agree.
No...in the US there's a democratic facet to a republic. It's not a pre requisite for the concept at large. [/b][/quote]
Aristotelian logic

America is a Constitutional Republic
Constitutional Republics are Democracies
Therefore America is a Democracy

[Nickatilynx]

MikeAI's logic.

I'm a Republican
You don't support the War
You're a pinko commie with Canadian or French Tendacies , possibly both.

;-))


Anyone else notice that if Bush says a "tricky" word correctly he gets all pleased with himself ? LOL

Endearing for a 5 yr old. Scary as shit for a President.

[SmokingDawn]

I watched a little of it but it just keeps going on and on and on...lol

[Nickatilynx]

Yeah...doesn't it. LOL

"OK.. you're the Prez!! Lets hit the bar!"


Done! :)

[aeon]

Originally posted by Almighty Colin+Jan 20 2005, 12:19 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Almighty Colin @ Jan 20 2005, 12:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by aeon@Jan 20 2005, 03:09 PM
Originally posted by Almighty Colin@Jan 20 2005, 12:05 PM
Originally posted by aeon@Jan 20 2005, 02:54 PM
Originally posted by Almighty Colin@Jan 20 2005, 11:49 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-aeon@Jan 20 2005, 02:02 PM
We're not a democracy...It's called a constitutional republic.


Constitutional Republics are a subclass of Democracies.
Congrats, you win the even more obvious award.
edit - this applies to the US government structure/edit
So you were wrong. Ok. We agree.
No...in the US there's a democratic facet to a republic. It's not a pre requisite for the concept at large.
Aristotelian logic

America is a Constitutional Republic
Constitutional Republics are Democracies
Therefore America is a Democracy[/b][/quote]
http://plato.thefreelibrary.com/Republic

I suggest you read...kierkegaard followed hegel's dialectic - but he didn't agree with hegel's premises. Should I use aristotle's definitions? I can use rozenzweig's defintions about things as well he was a young hegelian.

Here's something else:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=republic

representatives are entitled to vote...there's no mention of how/why they're entitled to vote or who decides the representatives

compare that to:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=democracy...

read before you speak.

[SmokingDawn]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jan 20 2005, 12:31 PM
Yeah...doesn't it. LOL

"OK.. you're the Prez!! Lets hit the bar!"


Done! :)
LOL...sounds like a plan to me!

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by aeon+Jan 20 2005, 03:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (aeon @ Jan 20 2005, 03:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Almighty Colin@Jan 20 2005, 12:19 PM
Originally posted by aeon@Jan 20 2005, 03:09 PM
Originally posted by Almighty Colin@Jan 20 2005, 12:05 PM
Originally posted by aeon@Jan 20 2005, 02:54 PM
Originally posted by Almighty Colin@Jan 20 2005, 11:49 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-aeon@Jan 20 2005, 02:02 PM
We're not a democracy...It's called a constitutional republic.


Constitutional Republics are a subclass of Democracies.
Congrats, you win the even more obvious award.
edit - this applies to the US government structure/edit
So you were wrong. Ok. We agree.
No...in the US there's a democratic facet to a republic. It's not a pre requisite for the concept at large.
Aristotelian logic

America is a Constitutional Republic
Constitutional Republics are Democracies
Therefore America is a Democracy
http://plato.thefreelibrary.com/Republic

I suggest you read...kierkegaard followed hegel's dialectic - but he didn't agree with hegel's premises. Should I use aristotle's definitions? I can use rozenzweig's defintions about things as well he was a young hegelian.

Here's something else:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=republic

representatives are entitled to vote...there's no mention of how/why they're entitled to vote or who decides the representatives

compare that to:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=democracy...

read before you speak. [/b][/quote]
I've read "the Republic". There's nothing in there about logic that I can remember. Maybe you are referring to his critique of Democracy but that has nothing to do with the argument.

What do Kierkegaard or Hegel have to do with it?

haha. I can't believe you are using dictionary.com in this discussion. What a joke.

[grimm]

dictionary.com is a fine reference if you just need to skim to get the idea about something;) details and history and logical thinking are not important, Colin, didn't you get the memo?

[SykkBoy]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jan 20 2005, 12:54 PM
After the fucking Greeks , I of course Blame the French. ;-)))

"We (the British) have hated the French for years. Now you (the United States) have just joined the club. It makes you much more likable." - Simon Cowell

[aeon]

Originally posted by Almighty Colin+Jan 20 2005, 12:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Almighty Colin @ Jan 20 2005, 12:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by aeon@Jan 20 2005, 03:32 PM
Originally posted by Almighty Colin@Jan 20 2005, 12:19 PM
Originally posted by aeon@Jan 20 2005, 03:09 PM
Originally posted by Almighty Colin@Jan 20 2005, 12:05 PM
Originally posted by aeon@Jan 20 2005, 02:54 PM
Originally posted by Almighty Colin@Jan 20 2005, 11:49 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-aeon@Jan 20 2005, 02:02 PM
We're not a democracy...It's called a constitutional republic.


Constitutional Republics are a subclass of Democracies.
Congrats, you win the even more obvious award.
edit - this applies to the US government structure/edit
So you were wrong. Ok. We agree.
No...in the US there's a democratic facet to a republic. It's not a pre requisite for the concept at large.
Aristotelian logic

America is a Constitutional Republic
Constitutional Republics are Democracies
Therefore America is a Democracy
http://plato.thefreelibrary.com/Republic

I suggest you read...kierkegaard followed hegel's dialectic - but he didn't agree with hegel's premises. Should I use aristotle's definitions? I can use rozenzweig's defintions about things as well he was a young hegelian.

Here's something else:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=republic

representatives are entitled to vote...there's no mention of how/why they're entitled to vote or who decides the representatives

compare that to:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=democracy...

read before you speak.
I've read "the Republic". There's nothing in there about logic that I can remember. Maybe you are referring to his critique of Democracy but that has nothing to do with the argument.

What do Kierkegaard or Hegel have to do with it?

haha. I can't believe you are using dictionary.com in this discussion. What a joke.[/b][/quote]
Hegel created the modern dialectic...just like Plato created the original idea of a republic. Kierkegaard used Hegel's concept just like Aristotle did. It's called an analogy...familiarize yourself with it.

You chose aristotle's interpretation...justify it and show me what "democracy" has to do with a leader bound and governed by laws.

Good luck...

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by aeon+Jan 20 2005, 05:01 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (aeon @ Jan 20 2005, 05:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Almighty Colin@Jan 20 2005, 12:46 PM
Originally posted by aeon@Jan 20 2005, 03:32 PM
Originally posted by Almighty Colin@Jan 20 2005, 12:19 PM
Originally posted by aeon@Jan 20 2005, 03:09 PM
Originally posted by Almighty Colin@Jan 20 2005, 12:05 PM
Originally posted by aeon@Jan 20 2005, 02:54 PM
Originally posted by Almighty Colin@Jan 20 2005, 11:49 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-aeon@Jan 20 2005, 02:02 PM
We're not a democracy...It's called a constitutional republic.


Constitutional Republics are a subclass of Democracies.
Congrats, you win the even more obvious award.
edit - this applies to the US government structure/edit
So you were wrong. Ok. We agree.
No...in the US there's a democratic facet to a republic. It's not a pre requisite for the concept at large.
Aristotelian logic

America is a Constitutional Republic
Constitutional Republics are Democracies
Therefore America is a Democracy
http://plato.thefreelibrary.com/Republic

I suggest you read...kierkegaard followed hegel's dialectic - but he didn't agree with hegel's premises. Should I use aristotle's definitions? I can use rozenzweig's defintions about things as well he was a young hegelian.

Here's something else:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=republic

representatives are entitled to vote...there's no mention of how/why they're entitled to vote or who decides the representatives

compare that to:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=democracy...

read before you speak.
I've read "the Republic". There's nothing in there about logic that I can remember. Maybe you are referring to his critique of Democracy but that has nothing to do with the argument.

What do Kierkegaard or Hegel have to do with it?

haha. I can't believe you are using dictionary.com in this discussion. What a joke.
Hegel created the modern dialectic...just like Plato created the original idea of a republic. Kierkegaard used Hegel's concept just like Aristotle did. It's called an analogy...familiarize yourself with it.

You chose aristotle's interpretation...justify it and show me what "democracy" has to do with a leader bound and governed by laws.

Good luck... [/b][/quote]
You're confused. I didn't say anything about dialectic. I was referring to Aristotelian logic and even gave an example.

Plato did NOT create the original idea of a Republic. Plato wrote in the 4th century BC. The Roman Republic was founded in the 6th century BC. Duh. I have a suspicion you've never read Plato's work just like you've never dined with the Queen of England.

[aeon]

Well then...who wrote the republic?

You should enlighten me...who created the concept of a leader governed by laws?

The queen's old - I like em' young...

I'm all ears Dr Colin - or in the case...all eyes.

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by aeon@Jan 20 2005, 05:24 PM
Well then...who wrote the republic?

You should enlighten me...who created the concept of a leader governed by laws?
Plato wrote a book called "The Republic". He did not "create the original idea of a republic". I know the Roman Republic was founded about 500 BC. I don't know if there were any republican governments before that.

[sarettah]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Jan 20 2005, 11:24 AM
Democracy - Our gift to the world.
???

I thinks maybe you flunked western civ or something....

[sarettah]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Jan 20 2005, 01:08 PM
Nick who did out Founding Father's copy?

The Iroquois Indians actually....

[imported_Technick]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Jan 20 2005, 10:08 AM
Nick who did out Founding Father's copy?

Come now, the US is the longest continual democracy in the WORLD today.

Don't hate... embrace!!
Just noticed this and had to respond :)

Prior to the ratification of the nineteenth amendment on August 18th 1920, there is no way on earth the United States could be termed a democracy.

Denying over half your population the vote is really not democratic.

So I would claim New Zealand as the longest continual democracy in the world, which authorized women's suffrage in 1893, a full 27 years prior.

[Nickatilynx]

Oh fuck!!!!


Excuse my little brother , he didn't know.......


Technick ,

Mike doesn't like people to bring facts up.It interferes with his rhetoric.


;-))

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Technick@Jan 20 2005, 05:53 PM

Just noticed this and had to respond :)

Prior to the ratification of the nineteenth amendment on August 18th 1920, there is no way on earth the United States could be termed a democracy.

Denying over half your population the vote is really not democratic.

So I would claim New Zealand as the longest continual democracy in the world, which authorized women's suffrage in 1893, a full 27 years prior.
I call anachronism. How about 5th century BC Athens? Considered the prototype and yet not everyone had the right to vote. Not even close.

[imported_Technick]

Originally posted by Almighty Colin+Jan 20 2005, 03:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Almighty Colin @ Jan 20 2005, 03:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Technick@Jan 20 2005, 05:53 PM

Just noticed this and had to respond :)

Prior to the ratification of the nineteenth amendment on August 18th 1920, there is no way on earth the United States could be termed a democracy.

Denying over half your population the vote is really not democratic.

So I would claim New Zealand as the longest continual democracy in the world, which authorized women's suffrage in 1893, a full 27 years prior.
I call anachronism. How about 5th century BC Athens? Considered the prototype and yet not everyone had the right to vote. Not even close. [/b][/quote]
Abosolutely there is no question the Athenian "democracy" was not a true democracy in today's sense of the word but a prototype as you stated.

My point is that whilst the United States is ahead of the curve when it comes to embracing democratic ideals, it has by no means been the leading light it claims to be.

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Technick@Jan 20 2005, 06:23 PM
My point is that whilst the United States is ahead of the curve when it comes to embracing democratic ideals, it has by no means been the leading light it claims to be.
I'd say the US was by far the most influential promoter of democracy the past three centuries. Both as the result of hot wars and cold. ;-)

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Almighty Colin+Jan 20 2005, 03:28 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Almighty Colin @ Jan 20 2005, 03:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Technick@Jan 20 2005, 06:23 PM
My point is that whilst the United States is ahead of the curve when it comes to embracing democratic ideals, it has by no means been the leading light it claims to be.
I'd say the US was by far the most influential promoter of democracy the past three centuries. Both as the result of hot wars and cold. ;-) [/b][/quote]
Last 100 yrs , I'd agree.

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Jan 20 2005, 06:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Jan 20 2005, 06:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Almighty Colin@Jan 20 2005, 03:28 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Technick@Jan 20 2005, 06:23 PM
My point is that whilst the United States is ahead of the curve when it comes to embracing democratic ideals, it has by no means been the leading light it claims to be.
I'd say the US was by far the most influential promoter of democracy the past three centuries. Both as the result of hot wars and cold. ;-)
Last 100 yrs , I'd agree. [/b][/quote]
Somehow democracy spread from 13 colonies westward. Somehow! ;-) Once that was done the US built up the navy and went out doing it elsewhere. *laughing*

[imported_Technick]

Originally posted by Almighty Colin+Jan 20 2005, 03:28 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Almighty Colin @ Jan 20 2005, 03:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Technick@Jan 20 2005, 06:23 PM
My point is that whilst the United States is ahead of the curve when it comes to embracing democratic ideals, it has by no means been the leading light it claims to be.
I'd say the US was by far the most influential promoter of democracy the past three centuries. Both as the result of hot wars and cold. ;-) [/b][/quote]
That's undoubtedly true.

But just because the US style of democracy has been marketed the hardest does not make it any more established, advanced or superior to many of the democracies in the rest of the world.

Some would argue to the contrary.

Advances in democracy have historically been adopted by other countries before the United States embraces them, just without the fanfare.

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Technick@Jan 20 2005, 06:51 PM
Advances in democracy have historically been adopted by other countries before the United States embraces them, just without the fanfare.
Sure, but it's very tricky because of state laws. Abolishing slavery for example. Happened in much of the world before the federal abolition in the US but happened in many states well before it happened in those same countries.

I agree. It doesn't make it a better brand. Pepsi might win taste tests but more companies still look to Coke as brand number one.

[Almighty Colin]

I'm waiting for the perfect opportunity to call someone a commy. Patience, patience.

[sarettah]

Originally posted by Almighty Colin@Jan 20 2005, 07:26 PM
I'm waiting for the perfect opportunity to call someone a commy. Patience, patience.
If you bait them, they will come...... :okthumb:

[PornoDoggy]

Somebody looking for me?

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Jan 20 2005, 10:39 PM
Somebody looking for me?
Pinko!

[aeon]

Originally posted by Almighty Colin+Jan 20 2005, 02:44 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Almighty Colin @ Jan 20 2005, 02:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-aeon@Jan 20 2005, 05:24 PM
Well then...who wrote the republic?

You should enlighten me...who created the concept of a leader governed by laws?
Plato wrote a book called "The Republic". He did not "create the original idea of a republic". I know the Roman Republic was founded about 500 BC. I don't know if there were any republican governments before that.[/b][/quote]
Since you aren't able to understand the concept of analogy or answer the question, I'll make this simple, as I've had to do before with you, show me where democracy - without giving you anymore hints, as defined, as the whole of the people electing their leaders, is a direct necessary condition for a republic?

Having a bachelors in science or whatever, does not make you adept or even able to engage philosophy, history, political science , etc, - in fact, it doesn’t make you capable of even engaging your own discipline on an academic level. It’s doubtful you could even get a job within your own claimed discipline.

I know shit about quantum cosmology - it’s not my deal...the historical method - beyond me - ask me to do an ethnograph...it‘ll be a clusterfuck...and I don’t claim that shit.

I just want to hear about the necessary condition honestly.

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by aeon+Jan 21 2005, 05:30 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (aeon @ Jan 21 2005, 05:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Almighty Colin@Jan 20 2005, 02:44 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-aeon@Jan 20 2005, 05:24 PM
Well then...who wrote the republic?

You should enlighten me...who created the concept of a leader governed by laws?
Plato wrote a book called "The Republic". He did not "create the original idea of a republic". I know the Roman Republic was founded about 500 BC. I don't know if there were any republican governments before that.
Since you aren't able to understand the concept of analogy or answer the question, I'll make this simple, as I've had to do before with you, show me where democracy - without giving you anymore hints, as defined, as the whole of the people electing their leaders, is a direct necessary condition for a republic?

Having a bachelors in science or whatever, does not make you adept or even able to engage philosophy, history, political science , etc, - in fact, it doesn’t make you capable of even engaging your own discipline on an academic level. It’s doubtful you could even get a job within your own claimed discipline.

I know shit about quantum cosmology - it’s not my deal...the historical method - beyond me - ask me to do an ethnograph...it‘ll be a clusterfuck...and I don’t claim that shit.

I just want to hear about the necessary condition honestly. [/b][/quote]
Haha. Everyone sees right through you. Soon you'll be telling us you dined with Socrates.

You write like someone trying to "sound smart" but keep going way off topic when you're not busy being completely wrong. Your references to Kierkegard were pointless, you mixed up dialectic with Aristotelian logic for some reason, Plato did not "create the original idea of the Republic" and you have obviously not read that book. Maybe you think DeTocqueville created the original idea of Democracy because he wrote a book with Democracy in the title? lol.

You're absolutely correct, Einstein. A BS in physics does not make one adept or even able to discuss a number of disciplines. I'm just a pornographer trying to make a living. Don't take things so seriously.

My god, man. Go actually read "the Republic" instead of the encyclopedia entry, study some Roman and Greek history and come back when you know enough to stick to the conversation instead of the rogue's gallery of randomness you are spewing.

[aeon]

Originally posted by Almighty Colin+Jan 21 2005, 03:06 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Almighty Colin @ Jan 21 2005, 03:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by aeon@Jan 21 2005, 05:30 PM
Originally posted by Almighty Colin@Jan 20 2005, 02:44 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-aeon@Jan 20 2005, 05:24 PM
Well then...who wrote the republic?

You should enlighten me...who created the concept of a leader governed by laws?
Plato wrote a book called "The Republic". He did not "create the original idea of a republic". I know the Roman Republic was founded about 500 BC. I don't know if there were any republican governments before that.
Since you aren't able to understand the concept of analogy or answer the question, I'll make this simple, as I've had to do before with you, show me where democracy - without giving you anymore hints, as defined, as the whole of the people electing their leaders, is a direct necessary condition for a republic?

Having a bachelors in science or whatever, does not make you adept or even able to engage philosophy, history, political science , etc, - in fact, it doesn’t make you capable of even engaging your own discipline on an academic level. It’s doubtful you could even get a job within your own claimed discipline.

I know shit about quantum cosmology - it’s not my deal...the historical method - beyond me - ask me to do an ethnograph...it‘ll be a clusterfuck...and I don’t claim that shit.

I just want to hear about the necessary condition honestly.
Haha. Everyone sees right through you. Soon you'll be telling us you dined with Socrates.

You write like someone trying to "sound smart" but keep going way off topic when you're not busy being completely wrong. Your references to Kierkegard were pointless, you mixed up dialectic with Aristotelian logic for some reason, Plato did not "create the original idea of the Republic" and you have obviously not read that book. Maybe you think DeTocqueville created the original idea of Democracy because he wrote a book with Democracy in the title? lol.

You're absolutely correct, Einstein. A BS in physics does not make one adept or even able to discuss a number of disciplines. I'm just a pornographer trying to make a living. Don't take things so seriously.

My god, man. Go actually read "the Republic" instead of the encyclopedia entry, study some Roman and Greek history and come back when you know enough to stick to the conversation instead of the rogue's gallery of randomness you are spewing.[/b][/quote]
Thank you - there will always be the iron...if you actually read the work like you claim - you'll know what that means.

I win.

[sarettah]

Originally posted by aeon@Jan 21 2005, 06:17 PM
I win.
:inlove: :inlove: I just love it when you declare victory !!!! :yowsa:

It reminds me of rhymer :inlove:

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by aeon@Jan 21 2005, 06:17 PM
there will always be the iron.


Actually, that was a lie.