What do you think being "family" means? [Archive]

JoesHO

01-13-2005, 10:44 AM

Originally posted by Playful Melissa@Jan 13 2005, 07:42 AM
Family means - people I trust and who trust me.

Those who if they hear something come to me and ask me about directly - good bad or ugly and vice versa

Who aren't afraid to tell it to me honest if I'm screwing up and can expect the same from me.

People who I can introduce my dad or my daughter to.

Family is the only people I do business with.

I've recently started my own venture and part of my vision statement (Read "Full Steam Ahead") was to only do business with "Family". I don't take on affiliates unless I know them personally, I don't sell to distributors unless I know them personally. No more of this faceless crap. Some say that I'm narrowing my market - I say I'm expanding my future because I'm taking the time to actually get to know the people I might be interested in doing business with and establishing a solid relationship with them.

Speaking of family-

Congratulate me I am officially divorced - final papers in hand. That will teach me to never marry a Russian you had working for you that you found off of GFY.

Great topic Gonzo - something I've been looking at for quite some time.
allow me to ask this then, what did you do with the 100K you ( allegedly) stole from Azure? and has the legal battle began yet or was that some misinformation I was given?

Winetalk.com

01-13-2005, 10:46 AM

Winetalk.com

01-13-2005, 10:47 AM

Originally posted by Playful Melissa@Jan 13 2005, 10:42 AM
That will teach me to never marry a Russian you had working for you that you found off of GFY.

was he a good lay at least?
;)

VooMan

01-13-2005, 10:49 AM

Originally posted by Winetalk.com+Jan 13 2005, 10:47 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Winetalk.com @ Jan 13 2005, 10:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Anthony@Jan 13 2005, 10:16 AM
Pretty simple from my standpoint, family meaning my peers who can be trusted with my business as well as my friendship.

Doesn't get any simpler than that.
D I T T O ! ! ! [/b][/quote]
Yep, ditto here as well. Couldn't have said it better myself... :okthumb:

Dianna Vesta

01-13-2005, 10:53 AM

Originally posted by Anthony@Jan 13 2005, 10:16 AM
Pretty simple from my standpoint, family meaning my peers who can be trusted with my business as well as my friendship.

Doesn't get any simpler than that.
I agree with this too. There are people in this business I consider family and like brothers and sisters we don’t always agree or get along; however there always seems to be a mutual respect.

Peaches

01-13-2005, 11:33 AM

Originally posted by Anthony@Jan 13 2005, 11:16 AM
Pretty simple from my standpoint, family meaning my peers who can be trusted with my business as well as my friendship.

Doesn't get any simpler than that.
Agreed. You speak pretty good Engrish for a foreenor B)

Playful Melissa

01-13-2005, 11:34 AM

Originally posted by JoesHO1@Jan 13 2005, 11:45 AM
allow me to ask this then, what did you do with the 100K you ( allegedly) stole from Azure? and has the legal battle began yet or was that some misinformation I was given?
Allegedly is the key word here - I did not steal anything from Azure - in fact I have criminial charges against them for Insurance fraud, and assualt - this was their method of gurrilla tactics to try and get back at me because they lost the chocolate deal for trying to get it created by another source (this product is patented and they were shopping the methods they learned from them to create themselves) I did not go to work for the manufactuers. I do not work for the manufactuers I simply rep for them. Did I know they were possibly going to pull the chocolate from Azure - I'm cute not stupid - was I making plans - again - cute not stupid.

That being said - the reasons I've shared with oprano in the past haven't changed in previous post I included the case numbers and details - the reasons why I don't work for azure -

1. Insurance Fraud
2. Missing Paychecks
3. Missing commission checks
4. Assualt by Michael Fierce on company property in front of company owners
5. Recruitment of underage talent by Michael Fierce
6. Unpaid vendors calling my personal number
7. 8 months of work on the chocolate flushed down the drain due to unethical acts on the part of Bobby DiMarco
8. Discovery that Bobby Dimarco aka Bobby Knight is currenly on federal parole for millions in fraud.

All these things I'm more then willing to share my copies and proof.

I don't believe in airing this kind of crap in public but at this point its a good enough time and place to clarify. Anything else you want to ask me I'll happily discuss with anyone one on one. My icq is there and I'll give you my number.

Note: Azure didn't attend AVN under Azure they attended under Black Knight Publications - their webmaster "invasions" company because they screwed so many people over that they were looking for them. And they were escorted by head of security from the show for their behavior.

I think an important part of my definition of family is people who have the same ethics as me.

Peaches

01-13-2005, 11:36 AM

Melissa, sorry I didn't get a chance to talk to you in Vegas - I was always in a mad rush! :(

You are looking MAHVELOUS though! Hopefully at a smaller show we can do a lunch and chat :)

Playful Melissa

01-13-2005, 11:41 AM

Originally posted by Peaches@Jan 13 2005, 12:37 PM
Melissa, sorry I didn't get a chance to talk to you in Vegas - I was always in a mad rush! :(

You are looking MAHVELOUS though! Hopefully at a smaller show we can do a lunch and chat :)
Peaches we need to set up a regular lunch thing with the "girls" at every show.

I hardly got to hug or say high to anyone and I was there for 2 days before I went to my booth at AVN.

Nickatilynx

01-13-2005, 11:43 AM

Anthony hit the nail on the head pretty much.

Peaches

01-13-2005, 11:43 AM

Originally posted by Playful Melissa+Jan 13 2005, 12:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Playful Melissa @ Jan 13 2005, 12:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Peaches@Jan 13 2005, 12:37 PM
Melissa, sorry I didn't get a chance to talk to you in Vegas - I was always in a mad rush! :(

You are looking MAHVELOUS though! Hopefully at a smaller show we can do a lunch and chat :)
Peaches we need to set up a regular lunch thing with the "girls" at every show.

I hardly got to hug or say high to anyone and I was there for 2 days before I went to my booth at AVN. [/b][/quote]
Back in Miami in 1999 I think it was, there was a ladies luncheon. Best idea ever.

Playful Melissa

01-13-2005, 11:44 AM

Originally posted by Winetalk.com+Jan 13 2005, 11:48 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Winetalk.com @ Jan 13 2005, 11:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Playful Melissa@Jan 13 2005, 10:42 AM
That will teach me to never marry a Russian you had working for you that you found off of GFY.

was he a good lay at least?
;) [/b][/quote]
Come on Serge he was 23 when I married him - he knew nothing!

But he had stamina!

My last toy was Peter and I got rid of him a couple of months ago- I'm looking for a new toy... bought some interesting toys at AVN.

Winetalk.com

01-13-2005, 11:53 AM

Originally posted by Playful Melissa+Jan 13 2005, 11:45 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Playful Melissa @ Jan 13 2005, 11:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Winetalk.com@Jan 13 2005, 11:48 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Playful Melissa@Jan 13 2005, 10:42 AM
That will teach me to never marry a Russian you had working for you that you found off of GFY.

was he a good lay at least?
;)
Come on Serge he was 23 when I married him - he knew nothing!

But he had stamina!

My last toy was Peter and I got rid of him a couple of months ago- I'm looking for a new toy... bought some interesting toys at AVN. [/b][/quote]
oh my...I am leaving the country on Saturday, just to be safe from you and your toys!
;)

Richard N. Bush

01-13-2005, 12:00 PM

Buying Peaches a milkshake...

Peaches

01-13-2005, 12:09 PM

Originally posted by Richard N. Bush@Jan 13 2005, 01:01 PM
Buying Peaches a milkshake...
:inlove: :inlove: :inlove:

sarettah

01-13-2005, 01:35 PM

Ant Nailed it......... :okthumb:

(although he left out the part about free meals and borrowing money that you never have to pay back........ :yowsa: )

Dravyk

01-13-2005, 02:01 PM

What do you think being "family" means?
Anthony's excellent answer aside ....

It (also) means if I answer the question above, then I'd have to kill you. :)

Lee

01-13-2005, 02:30 PM

http://www.rhino.com/covers150/71/71587.jpg

Hehehe

So how many of you folks are actually old enough to remember that release? ;)

Was only a year before my time :D

kath

01-13-2005, 03:31 PM

Leave it to Anthony to give the best answer...

But beyond that everyone else touched on some great points as well.... of course every family has that weird brother or wacky cousin that you hope won't show up for family dinners.... but even THEY are still family regardless, as each member plays his/her own part and gives his/her own contribution to the family.

Family - is always having some place to come back home to when there's no where else you can or would want to go.

:ph34r:

PattyeCake*

01-13-2005, 03:37 PM

I gotta go with Ant and JoesHO1 on this one....... :agrin:

Nickatilynx

01-13-2005, 03:40 PM

Originally posted by kath@Jan 13 2005, 12:32 PM

Family - is always having some place to come back home to when there's no where else you can or would want to go.

:pearl:

Dravyk

01-13-2005, 04:37 PM

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Jan 13 2005, 03:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Jan 13 2005, 03:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-kath@Jan 13 2005, 12:32 PM

Family - is always having some place to come back home to when there's no where else you can or would want to go.

:pearl: [/b][/quote]
I thought that was "Cheers". :stout:

kath

01-13-2005, 04:40 PM

Originally posted by Dravyk+Jan 13 2005, 01:38 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Dravyk @ Jan 13 2005, 01:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jan 13 2005, 03:41 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-kath@Jan 13 2005, 12:32 PM

Family - is always having some place to come back home to when there's no where else you can or would want to go.

:pearl:
I thought that was "Cheers". :stout: [/b][/quote]
You know... sitting out in the "smoking hall" - hanging out @ various dinners/lunches/coffees and attending the FFN Ball this year really felt "Cheersy" to me this year - everybody knew my name and I knew theirs... maybe that's where I got the idea.

B)

Dravyk

01-13-2005, 04:44 PM

Originally posted by kath+Jan 13 2005, 04:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kath @ Jan 13 2005, 04:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by Dravyk@Jan 13 2005, 01:38 PM
Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jan 13 2005, 03:41 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-kath@Jan 13 2005, 12:32 PM

Family - is always having some place to come back home to when there's no where else you can or would want to go.

:pearl:
I thought that was "Cheers". :stout:
You know... sitting out in the "smoking hall" - hanging out @ various dinners/lunches/coffees and attending the FFN Ball this year really felt "Cheersy" to me this year - everybody knew my name and I knew theirs... maybe that's where I got the idea.

B)[/b][/quote]
Totally agree with ya, Kath!

In fact, if Gonzo and Nick can figure out a way to dispense virtual alcohol (sorry, Nick), Oprano would make one helluva pub! :okthumb:

SykkBoy

01-13-2005, 05:07 PM

it means you have my back, I have yours...

but, since I'm the retarded, perverted uncle that no one mentions except the occasional "whatever happened to..." conversation during the Holidays...I'll be quiet about it all...

JoesHO

01-13-2005, 05:41 PM

Originally posted by Playful Melissa+Jan 13 2005, 08:35 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Playful Melissa @ Jan 13 2005, 08:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-JoesHO1@Jan 13 2005, 11:45 AM
allow me to ask this then, what did you do with the 100K you ( allegedly) stole from Azure? and has the legal battle began yet or was that some misinformation I was given?
Allegedly is the key word here - I did not steal anything from Azure - in fact I have criminial charges against them for Insurance fraud, and assualt - this was their method of gurrilla tactics to try and get back at me because they lost the chocolate deal for trying to get it created by another source (this product is patented and they were shopping the methods they learned from them to create themselves) I did not go to work for the manufactuers. I do not work for the manufactuers I simply rep for them. Did I know they were possibly going to pull the chocolate from Azure - I'm cute not stupid - was I making plans - again - cute not stupid.

That being said - the reasons I've shared with oprano in the past haven't changed in previous post I included the case numbers and details - the reasons why I don't work for azure -

1. Insurance Fraud
2. Missing Paychecks
3. Missing commission checks
4. Assualt by Michael Fierce on company property in front of company owners
5. Recruitment of underage talent by Michael Fierce
6. Unpaid vendors calling my personal number
7. 8 months of work on the chocolate flushed down the drain due to unethical acts on the part of Bobby DiMarco
8. Discovery that Bobby Dimarco aka Bobby Knight is currenly on federal parole for millions in fraud.

All these things I'm more then willing to share my copies and proof.

I don't believe in airing this kind of crap in public but at this point its a good enough time and place to clarify. Anything else you want to ask me I'll happily discuss with anyone one on one. My icq is there and I'll give you my number.

Note: Azure didn't attend AVN under Azure they attended under Black Knight Publications - their webmaster "invasions" company because they screwed so many people over that they were looking for them. And they were escorted by head of security from the show for their behavior.

I think an important part of my definition of family is people who have the same ethics as me. [/b][/quote]
Very good answear Melissa. :D thank you, i will not concern myself with this question again.

Mike AI

01-13-2005, 06:09 PM

Not to be rude, but I thought Melissa was a scammer?

I find it ironic she is discussing what "family" means.

But what do I know? :zoinks:

TheEnforcer

01-13-2005, 06:24 PM

No need to elaborate what was said so well already.

NickPapageorgio

01-13-2005, 06:30 PM

Family is being able to say you are sorry and really mean it.

Playful Melissa

01-13-2005, 07:06 PM

Originally posted by Mike AI@Jan 13 2005, 07:10 PM
Not to be rude, but I thought Melissa was a scammer?

I find it ironic she is discussing what "family" means.

But what do I know? :zoinks:
If you had seen what I wrote about what what family means...

If you have something you would like to ask me about - I am more then happy to discuss it.

Raven

01-13-2005, 07:16 PM

Originally posted by SykkBoy@Jan 13 2005, 02:08 PM
it means you have my back, I have yours...

but, since I'm the retarded, perverted uncle that no one mentions except the occasional "whatever happened to..." conversation during the Holidays...I'll be quiet about it all...
I'm liking your definition, sykkboy...

Always got your back. That's the 'family' I want.

Nickatilynx

01-13-2005, 07:21 PM

Originally posted by Dravyk+Jan 13 2005, 01:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Dravyk @ Jan 13 2005, 01:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by kath@Jan 13 2005, 04:41 PM
Originally posted by Dravyk@Jan 13 2005, 01:38 PM
Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jan 13 2005, 03:41 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-kath@Jan 13 2005, 12:32 PM

Family - is always having some place to come back home to when there's no where else you can or would want to go.

:pearl:
I thought that was "Cheers". :stout:
You know... sitting out in the "smoking hall" - hanging out @ various dinners/lunches/coffees and attending the FFN Ball this year really felt "Cheersy" to me this year - everybody knew my name and I knew theirs... maybe that's where I got the idea.

B)
Totally agree with ya, Kath!

In fact, if Gonzo and Nick can figure out a way to dispense virtual alcohol (sorry, Nick), Oprano would make one helluva pub! :okthumb: [/b][/quote]
Drayyk you are Carla , if this is "Cheers" ahahahahahahahahahahahha

JoesHO

01-13-2005, 07:45 PM

http://www.k-bay106.com/weasel.jpg

means pis on weasles when you can, as often as you can LOL

01-13-2005, 07:59 PM

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jan 13 2005, 07:22 PM
Drayyk you are Carla , if this is "Cheers" ahahahahahahahahahahahha
yeah that seems obvious :rolleyes:
even though we have a carla on oprano, lets make a dude named harry carla instead :rolleyes:

:biglaugh:

My totally honest assessment of what 'being family' means?

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

I'd love to be proved wrong :D

Winetalk.com

01-13-2005, 08:03 PM

Originally posted by cj+Jan 13 2005, 08:00 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cj @ Jan 13 2005, 08:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@Jan 13 2005, 07:22 PM
Drayyk you are Carla , if this is "Cheers" ahahahahahahahahahahahha
yeah that seems obvious :rolleyes:
even though we have a carla on oprano, lets make a dude named harry carla instead :rolleyes:

:biglaugh:

My totally honest assessment of what 'being family' means?

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

I'd love to be proved wrong :D [/b][/quote]
you ARE wrong...

Dean is family and it separates him from non family...

do you see non family members put wine talk on their sites
and exit console on
http://recipe.com

Dean can watch my children, not just business.

01-13-2005, 08:26 PM

by your definition serge, 2 people in this world are your 'family'.
Dean & Scott.

there's plenty of other people who have linked to every one of your sites you've ever launched, contributed to this community and done things for YOU and this board, who have been shat on.

family should be there for each other in the LOW points, not just the high ones. family doesn't use each others low points to create controversy for page views. family doesn't hide behind fake usernames to slag each other.

we each create our own family.
mine is made up of people who support each other equally.

Mike AI

01-13-2005, 08:36 PM

Originally posted by Playful Melissa+Jan 13 2005, 07:07 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Playful Melissa @ Jan 13 2005, 07:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mike AI@Jan 13 2005, 07:10 PM
Not to be rude, but I thought Melissa was a scammer?

I find it ironic she is discussing what "family" means.

But what do I know? :zoinks:
If you had seen what I wrote about what what family means...

If you have something you would like to ask me about - I am more then happy to discuss it. [/b][/quote]

Part of my success is I have learned from other people's mistakes - especially when dealing with scammers.

Winetalk.com

01-13-2005, 08:42 PM

Originally posted by cj@Jan 13 2005, 08:27 PM
by your definition serge, 2 people in this world are your 'family'.
Dean & Scott.

what can I say? I have a small family....
I have "parents" - they "spank" me
I have brothers and sisters, we "spank" each other
and I have "children" - I spank them.
;)

Bestat

01-13-2005, 09:14 PM

I like Ant's answer, as well as kath's.

Family is those that know all about you, and like you anyway :)

01-13-2005, 09:24 PM

Originally posted by Winetalk.com+Jan 13 2005, 08:43 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Winetalk.com @ Jan 13 2005, 08:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-cj@Jan 13 2005, 08:27 PM
by your definition serge, 2 people in this world are your 'family'.
Dean & Scott.

what can I say? I have a small family....
I have "parents" - they "spank" me
I have brothers and sisters, we "spank" each other
and I have "children" - I spank them.
;) [/b][/quote]
well that's nice, but i'm not bending over (again), no matter how nicely you ask :P

nlphoto

01-13-2005, 09:36 PM

in my family, I'm BOTH the wierd brother and the perverted uncle... just wish
I saw you folks more often than them... :rolleyes:

01-13-2005, 09:39 PM

Originally posted by Playful Melissa+Jan 13 2005, 11:35 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Playful Melissa @ Jan 13 2005, 11:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-JoesHO1@Jan 13 2005, 11:45 AM
allow me to ask this then, what did you do with the 100K you ( allegedly) stole from Azure? and has the legal battle began yet or was that some misinformation I was given?
Allegedly is the key word here - I did not steal anything from Azure - in fact I have criminial charges against them for Insurance fraud, and assualt - this was their method of gurrilla tactics to try and get back at me because they lost the chocolate deal for trying to get it created by another source (this product is patented and they were shopping the methods they learned from them to create themselves) I did not go to work for the manufactuers. I do not work for the manufactuers I simply rep for them. Did I know they were possibly going to pull the chocolate from Azure - I'm cute not stupid - was I making plans - again - cute not stupid.

That being said - the reasons I've shared with oprano in the past haven't changed in previous post I included the case numbers and details - the reasons why I don't work for azure -

1. Insurance Fraud
2. Missing Paychecks
3. Missing commission checks
4. Assualt by Michael Fierce on company property in front of company owners
5. Recruitment of underage talent by Michael Fierce
6. Unpaid vendors calling my personal number
7. 8 months of work on the chocolate flushed down the drain due to unethical acts on the part of Bobby DiMarco
8. Discovery that Bobby Dimarco aka Bobby Knight is currenly on federal parole for millions in fraud.

All these things I'm more then willing to share my copies and proof.

I don't believe in airing this kind of crap in public but at this point its a good enough time and place to clarify. Anything else you want to ask me I'll happily discuss with anyone one on one. My icq is there and I'll give you my number.

Note: Azure didn't attend AVN under Azure they attended under Black Knight Publications - their webmaster "invasions" company because they screwed so many people over that they were looking for them. And they were escorted by head of security from the show for their behavior.

I think an important part of my definition of family is people who have the same ethics as me. [/b][/quote]
Melissa, with your past experience you should have known better than to start working for a company like that in the first place. Quit carrying on about how you were screwed and start taking responsibility for your own actions.

You made the choice to work with them. We all suffer from bad judgement at least a million times in our life, but you seem to never learn from your mistakes.
If you didn't research the type of people they were then who do you have to blame but yourself?

The severity of those accusations says more about you for staying there for 8 months than it does about them. Unless they were perfectly professional and legal up until they day they fired you and you all of a sudden found all this out?! yeah right.

Perhaps if you hadn't have bullshitted the family you had and not dragged me and the rest of the people who were stupid enough to support you through FAKING CANCER you might not have ended up in such a desperate position.

TAKE FUCKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR ACTIONS AND STOP BULLSHITTING PEOPLE & FUCKING PEOPLE OVER.

You are a big girl, you can do whatever you like in your life and I really don't give a shit, but for some reason I'll never understand, you were blessed with a child who has the most beautiful spirit I've ever known. Everytime you fuck up your own life you fuck up hers as well, and she doesn't deserve it.

sorry everyone for this outburst, but this is a touchy issue for me.

funkmaster

01-13-2005, 09:46 PM

... jesus christ, that scaming melissa davis bitch is still around, I though someone shot the cunt in the back of the head a couple of years ago.

Winetalk.com

01-13-2005, 09:54 PM

Originally posted by cj+Jan 13 2005, 09:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cj @ Jan 13 2005, 09:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Winetalk.com@Jan 13 2005, 08:43 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-cj@Jan 13 2005, 08:27 PM
by your definition serge, 2 people in this world are your 'family'.
Dean & Scott.

what can I say? I have a small family....
I have "parents" - they "spank" me
I have brothers and sisters, we "spank" each other
and I have "children" - I spank them.
;)
well that's nice, but i'm not bending over (again), no matter how nicely you ask :P [/b][/quote]
children.....I hate when they grow up, become teenagers and show lots of undeserved attitude
;)

Newton

01-13-2005, 10:25 PM

Family, in respect to Oprano, is based on the pursuit of mutually beneficial business.

It means being able to trust the people I do business with, and for those who do business with me; to be honorable, respectful and upstanding in all matters.

Dravyk

01-13-2005, 10:35 PM

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jan 13 2005, 07:22 PM
Drayyk you are Carla , if this is "Cheers" ahahahahahahahahahahahha
Ok, so of the choice there I can be either ...

Carla, a sarcastic bitch with snazzy one liners
Woody, a moron
Sam, a guy who chases people like Diane
Diane, a snoot
Rebecca, someone deeply needing psychotherapy
Norm, ok, he's cool
Or Cliffie, a know it all who knows nothing

Cool, I'll take Carla then. :)

JoesHO

01-13-2005, 11:07 PM

Originally posted by Dravyk+Jan 13 2005, 07:36 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Dravyk @ Jan 13 2005, 07:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@Jan 13 2005, 07:22 PM
Drayyk you are Carla , if this is "Cheers" ahahahahahahahahahahahha
Ok, so of the choice there I can be either ...

Carla, a sarcastic bitch with snazzy one liners
Woody, a moron
Sam, a guy who chases people like Diane
Diane, a snoot
Rebecca, someone deeply needing psychotherapy
Norm, ok, he's cool
Or Cliffie, a know it all who knows nothing

Cool, I'll take Carla then. :) [/b][/quote]
I pick cliffie :D

Hell Puppy

01-13-2005, 11:09 PM

Family are the people you can fart in front of....

Anthony

01-14-2005, 12:01 AM

Originally posted by Hell Puppy@Jan 13 2005, 08:10 PM
Family are the people you can fart in front of....
Sometimes Shart in front of!

Joe Sixpack

01-14-2005, 01:47 AM

Originally posted by Almighty Colin@Jan 13 2005, 07:37 AM
If we need a vow of silence between us we're family.
How about a cone of silence?

http://www.harpersferry.org/wireless/lambsknoll/csilence1.jpg

Dravyk

01-14-2005, 02:46 AM

Originally posted by Hell Puppy@Jan 13 2005, 11:10 PM
Family are the people you can fart in front of....
... and who won't give you up when you blame the dog for it. :biglaugh:

kath

01-14-2005, 04:13 AM

Originally posted by Dravyk+Jan 13 2005, 11:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Dravyk @ Jan 13 2005, 11:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Hell Puppy@Jan 13 2005, 11:10 PM
Family are the people you can fart in front of....
... and who won't give you up when you blame the dog for it. :biglaugh: [/b][/quote]
What family are you from?!?

We always "out" the liar - the poor dog doesn't deserve to get blamed for it! lol

:nyanya:

My mom on the other hand has never taken responsibility for a fart - at least not in my lifetime.... she always makes this innocent face and says "what?" when everyone giggles... my dad takes her side and either takes the blame himself or says it was a squeak in a chair or something - lol

:rolleyes:

OK.... I admit my family is odd... my therapist agrees!

Raven

01-14-2005, 12:49 PM

Isn't that the point, Kath?
Our idiosyncracies make us who we are....family understands and embraces.....at the very least, tolerates with bemused smiles.

Vick

01-14-2005, 12:52 PM

Family is who I'll set down to dinner with

Who I can trust and give trust back to

Who I can count on and will come through for when they are counting on me

Who I can share new ideas with and get honest feedback from and will give honest feedback and support to their new ideas and products

Family is who I can feel comfortable around

Family is whom is worthy to share parts of our lives and parts of ourselves

There's more but it's not coming to mind yet

And while this is Nick and Gonzo's board
Melissa, you'll never be Oprano family- we've been around and have long memories

edited to add - family is who says I love you - without saying a word

Nickatilynx

01-14-2005, 01:00 PM

Vick ,

I agree .

When many people whose opinion I value . tell me someone is a scammer. I think scammer.

Melissa , you are in the opinion of Oprano a scammer.

You have a history of being a scammer.

Your explaination sounds a scam.

Almighty Colin

01-14-2005, 01:06 PM

Originally posted by Raven@Jan 14 2005, 12:50 PM
family understands and embraces
You must have a nice family. I have Jesse as a brother to give me shit about everything.

JoesHO

01-14-2005, 01:07 PM

Yup, .... and the answear was good enough for me to know, STAY THE FUCK AWAY AND HAVE NO FURTHER CONTACT !

as far as I am concerned CJ hit it right on the head, and anyone that would involve themselves with Melissa is a fool.

but like I said, I know now from the answear she provided, and will not concern myself with her being at all! she dissapeared from my radar screen.

That being said there are many of you in the Oprano family, that I have come to admire, and respect ( thanks Serge for unbanning me when I was a dickhead) ( and thanks Mike and Gonzo for giving me a chance to talk with you in person, and find out what a difference between boards there really is !

Nickatilynx

01-14-2005, 01:13 PM

This whole threads stinks of family and friendship.

There is EVEN the ongoing fighting between family members that others stay clear of LOL.

But at the end of the day , you have shared time and experiences.Good and Bad.

You know each others strengths and weakness and are by neither overwhelmed.

You have earned trust , and loyalty.

Brad Shaw will always be a poor man.

He will never understand that trust and loyalty are earnt not bought.

Then there are the "superfriendships"....

A very smart guy , IMHO , once told me if at the time of your death you have at least 5 friends that you can rely on totally , absolutely , you are a wealthy man.

I have those.

Literally I mean friends that may rip into you , that you may piss with now and again, but when all was said and done , would LITERALLY help you hide the bodies.

2 read this board.

1 has read this board.

In fact , I am wealthy beyond my wildest dreams :)

None of them , of course , would lend me any money though ;-)))

01-14-2005, 06:08 PM

if at the time of your death you have at least 5 friends that you can rely on totally , absolutely , you are a wealthy man.

:wnw:

well said post Nick :okthumb:

SykkBoy

01-14-2005, 07:03 PM

there are always varying degrees of family

I have cousins that are family, but I wouldn't trust them to watch my kids...
I have an uncle who I would trust with my kids, but not my money
I have one of those cousins that aren't discussed in every day company
I am one of those in the family I'm related to by blood who gets left out of certain family functions due to the business I'm in (it's hell being related to hardcore Mormons who think Starbucks is the anti-christ because they serve "cups of sin")

there are some I like better than others, trust more than others and there are those who don't/won't trust me.....ah, but that's fun of dysfunctional families...and let's face it, all families are dysfunctional...

I won't even get into the family I married into ;-)

Hell Puppy

01-14-2005, 08:32 PM

A variation of another old saying....

A friend will bail you out of jail....

Family will be sitting beside you in the cell going "dude that was awesome!"....

Evil Chris

01-14-2005, 08:55 PM

Despite my hanging around at Oprano since it first opened the doors of it's original flat board, I don't know if I really feel like Oprano "family".

More like the annoying neighbour who won't stop bothering you. B)

sarettah

01-14-2005, 11:56 PM

Family just is.

You know family when you find it.

Family can call a member to task, but does not air the dirty laundry in public.

Family is the only ones allowed to call you an asshole, and mean it.

Family is the ones who can tell you you're full of shit and have it taken as constructive criticism.

Family is like a puppy dog, even when they hate you, they love you unconditionally, skinny legs and all.....

Dravyk

01-15-2005, 03:59 AM

Ok, enough is enough already!

This thread is starting to sound like one of those putrid Hallmark cards that start out ... "What is a Mother? .... M is for ... "

:barfon:

If this place gets any more Osmond-like (shudders!) I'm going to have to bail and find some board where they serve coffee and bring out the danish cart as they wish fond good mornings and huggles to each other -- just to rub some of this shit off of me!! :ph34r:

sarettah

01-15-2005, 09:50 AM

Originally posted by Dravyk@Jan 15 2005, 04:00 AM
Ok, enough is enough already!

This thread is starting to sound like one of those putrid Hallmark cards that start out ... "What is a Mother? .... M is for ... "

:barfon:

If this place gets any more Osmond-like (shudders!) I'm going to have to bail and find some board where they serve coffee and bring out the danish cart as they wish fond good mornings and huggles to each other -- just to rub some of this shit off of me!! :ph34r:
Oh...does Harry need a huggle ?

C'mon Oprano, group hug time... :inlove:

touch me and you die

JoesHO

01-15-2005, 12:17 PM

Originally posted by sarettah+Jan 15 2005, 06:51 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (sarettah @ Jan 15 2005, 06:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Dravyk@Jan 15 2005, 04:00 AM
Ok, enough is enough already!

This thread is starting to sound like one of those putrid Hallmark cards that start out ... "What is a Mother? .... M is for ... "

:barfon:

If this place gets any more Osmond-like (shudders!) I'm going to have to bail and find some board where they serve coffee and bring out the danish cart as they wish fond good mornings and huggles to each other -- just to rub some of this shit off of me!! :ph34r:
Oh...does Harry need a huggle ?

C'mon Oprano, group hug time... :inlove:

touch me and you die [/b][/quote]
I better not catch any of you homos looking at my as!!!!!

PrivateIvy

01-15-2005, 01:16 PM

Originally posted by Anthony@Jan 13 2005, 07:16 AM
Pretty simple from my standpoint, family meaning my peers who can be trusted with my business as well as my friendship.

Doesn't get any simpler than that.
Ditto on that one.....

"Family" for me is a very select few....learned the hard way that there are just very few people that you can trust and even fewer that will support and back you up publicly, right or wrong.

Ivy

gonzo

01-15-2005, 01:18 PM

Originally posted by PrivateIvy+Jan 15 2005, 01:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PrivateIvy @ Jan 15 2005, 01:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Anthony@Jan 13 2005, 07:16 AM
Pretty simple from my standpoint, family meaning my peers who can be trusted with my business as well as my friendship.

Doesn't get any simpler than that.
Ditto on that one.....

"Family" for me is a very select few....learned the hard way that there are just very few people that you can trust and even fewer that will support and back you up publicly, right or wrong.

Ivy [/b][/quote]
Will you be my seestor? hahaha

sarettah

01-15-2005, 01:38 PM

gonzo

01-15-2005, 02:02 PM

Ive meant to come back to restimulate this thread but there really wasnt any reason to do so. So I will distill some comments..

One of the founding principals for Mike and Serge was simply

"The Family that does business together"

Its something that I think of each time I go to purchase hosting, content, etc etc.

As Anth said..."family ... my peers who can be trusted with my business as well as my friendship."

I know that services/goods I have purchased over the past year has been bought pretty much from only people from this resource.
Likewise with my traffic. I can tell you that the bulk of my traffic has gone to sponsors that have supported Oprano. AEBN is a good example of that. I dont have to worry about the rules changing or the latest way they do some creative accounting to reduce what they pay out. My check from them has consistantly grown. And in some cases with less traffic.

By in large our long term sponsors are ones that I can trust with my traffic as well as my friendship.

I would encourage each of you to seek out those that provide services and are active on Oprano. Weve started a seperate forum for up and coming people in our industry such as Nick Pappageorgio to let you know what it is they do.

When I was actively building free sites I always looked at sponsors to see what they had that I could leverage by including them in the design or the concept before it was built. Its resulted in some nice dividends as well.

One of our long time family members is about to put a major push on their new marketing effort. We are awaiting the artwork and then we will be putting on a major push for this company. I urge you to look closely at how they have revised what they are doing to rebrand to make you more cash. If you have a paysite this should be a MUST in adding to your members area.

As witnessed by the shrinking show size in Las Vegas and the lengthy thread on whats wrong with AVN... this business is consolidating. If you dont want to be squeezed out then maybe you should not only know what family is as well as practice from day to day in your business.

That being said... in the following months of this year we plan to expand the Oprano Family network to have our fingers in every aspect of this business. Nick and I are making good on our Dec 1st promise of Family, Honor, and the reawakening of Old School profits. While others are running around sucking on glass bottles and trying to copy yet another business model , we move forward.

The last ride has begun.... are you going to be left behind this time?

Raven

01-15-2005, 02:07 PM

Originally posted by Almighty Colin+Jan 14 2005, 10:07 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Almighty Colin @ Jan 14 2005, 10:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Raven@Jan 14 2005, 12:50 PM
family understands and embraces
You must have a nice family. I have Jesse as a brother to give me shit about everything. [/b][/quote]
I have a wonderful 'adopted' family.

The bio folks were anomolies. Amazing I turned out so wonderfully.

Sometimes, being able to choose a family, rather than have to work with the one you're born with...is quite the advantage....

Having that circle can mean all the difference.

Evil Chris

01-15-2005, 03:13 PM

Originally posted by gonzo@Jan 13 2005, 11:10 AM
Serge posted ... -snip-
You meant, "Evil Chris posted", right?

rhymer11

01-15-2005, 04:27 PM

Originally posted by gonzo@Jan 15 2005, 11:03 AM
Ive meant to come back to restimulate this thread but there really wasnt any reason to do so. So I will distill some comments..

One of the founding principals for Mike and Serge was simply

"The Family that does business together"

Its something that I think of each time I go to purchase hosting, content, etc etc.

As Anth said..."family ... my peers who can be trusted with my business as well as my friendship."

I know that services/goods I have purchased over the past year has been bought pretty much from only people from this resource.
Likewise with my traffic. I can tell you that the bulk of my traffic has gone to sponsors that have supported Oprano. AEBN is a good example of that. I dont have to worry about the rules changing or the latest way they do some creative accounting to reduce what they pay out. My check from them has consistantly grown. And in some cases with less traffic.

By in large our long term sponsors are ones that I can trust with my traffic as well as my friendship.

I would encourage each of you to seek out those that provide services and are active on Oprano. Weve started a seperate forum for up and coming people in our industry such as Nick Pappageorgio to let you know what it is they do.

When I was actively building free sites I always looked at sponsors to see what they had that I could leverage by including them in the design or the concept before it was built. Its resulted in some nice dividends as well.

One of our long time family members is about to put a major push on their new marketing effort. We are awaiting the artwork and then we will be putting on a major push for this company. I urge you to look closely at how they have revised what they are doing to rebrand to make you more cash. If you have a paysite this should be a MUST in adding to your members area.

As witnessed by the shrinking show size in Las Vegas and the lengthy thread on whats wrong with AVN... this business is consolidating. If you dont want to be squeezed out then maybe you should not only know what family is as well as practice from day to day in your business.

That being said... in the following months of this year we plan to expand the Oprano Family network to have our fingers in every aspect of this business. Nick and I are making good on our Dec 1st promise of Family, Honor, and the reawakening of Old School profits. While others are running around sucking on glass bottles and trying to copy yet another business model , we move forward.

The last ride has begun.... are you going to be left behind this time?
That is very interesting Gonzo. But I have to say, this business in its present form is very, very young. I am not quite sure why such a young business would have a last ride. I kind of smile when I hear expressions like "in the day" and "old school" for something that happened less than a decade ago. A lot of that stuff only worked because of the time and the naivety of both the consumer and the suppliers. I have no problem with the progression of business, but solid "old school" real world business practices, I feel, are going to become more prevalent and relevant in the next couple of years. I think the key is honesty for long term success. A fairly easy concept to understand, and a fairly easy concept to practice. "Old School Internet" went well over the top and has eroded consumer confidence and alerted folks like the ftc. How do you see addressing ftc and consumer confidence in the near future?

aeon

01-15-2005, 10:12 PM

Originally posted by Mike AI@Jan 13 2005, 03:10 PM
Not to be rude, but I thought Melissa was a scammer?
^^^
This guy calls you a scammer - that's enough for me.

Someone that has the balls to say what's on their mind, whether I agree or not, will always get my attention.

kath

01-15-2005, 10:27 PM

Originally posted by Evil Chris@Jan 14 2005, 05:56 PM
Despite my hanging around at Oprano since it first opened the doors of it's original flat board, I don't know if I really feel like Oprano "family".

More like the annoying neighbour who won't stop bothering you. B)
Chris -

You're a good neighbor (albeit an evil one - lol).... in fact, you're partially responsible for getting me to like Canadians again after all those years of being jaded by South Park propaganda. lol

:rolleyes:

Seriously.... you're part of the family - as much as any of the rest of us. We all bring different things to the weekly dinner table here - different ingredients to the "gumbo" as they used to say - and to omit any of the spices would be to ruin the entire recipe.

I'm glad I took the plunge and made Oprano my home-base board when I did - it definitely helped to open my eyes and "de-program" me from my old "affiliations" in the industry. I started over from scratch, giving everyone a clean slate and I'm very happy that I did. It's made a huge difference in the way I see things and the people I do business with. Oprano was a big part of that. Each and every poster here (even the crazy pervo uncles) were key in making that happen.

Another definition of family I guess - the ones who help you see the truth and help you get back on your feet and on your way again... without letting your past poor judgements of character stand in your way or change how they feel about you.

:yowsa:

kath

01-15-2005, 10:29 PM

Originally posted by gonzo@Jan 15 2005, 11:03 AM
As witnessed by the shrinking show size in Las Vegas and the lengthy thread on whats wrong with AVN... this business is consolidating. If you dont want to be squeezed out then maybe you should not only know what family is as well as practice from day to day in your business.
Well said Gonzo - I thought this should be repeated. Well said.

:wnw:

rhymer11

01-17-2005, 08:57 PM

Originally posted by rhymer11+Jan 15 2005, 01:28 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (rhymer11 @ Jan 15 2005, 01:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-gonzo@Jan 15 2005, 11:03 AM
Ive meant to come back to restimulate this thread but there really wasnt any reason to do so. So I will distill some comments..

One of the founding principals for Mike and Serge was simply

"The Family that does business together"

Its something that I think of each time I go to purchase hosting, content, etc etc.

As Anth said..."family ... my peers who can be trusted with my business as well as my friendship."

I know that services/goods I have purchased over the past year has been bought pretty much from only people from this resource.
Likewise with my traffic. I can tell you that the bulk of my traffic has gone to sponsors that have supported Oprano. AEBN is a good example of that. I dont have to worry about the rules changing or the latest way they do some creative accounting to reduce what they pay out. My check from them has consistantly grown. And in some cases with less traffic.

By in large our long term sponsors are ones that I can trust with my traffic as well as my friendship.

I would encourage each of you to seek out those that provide services and are active on Oprano. Weve started a seperate forum for up and coming people in our industry such as Nick Pappageorgio to let you know what it is they do.

When I was actively building free sites I always looked at sponsors to see what they had that I could leverage by including them in the design or the concept before it was built. Its resulted in some nice dividends as well.

One of our long time family members is about to put a major push on their new marketing effort. We are awaiting the artwork and then we will be putting on a major push for this company. I urge you to look closely at how they have revised what they are doing to rebrand to make you more cash. If you have a paysite this should be a MUST in adding to your members area.

As witnessed by the shrinking show size in Las Vegas and the lengthy thread on whats wrong with AVN... this business is consolidating. If you dont want to be squeezed out then maybe you should not only know what family is as well as practice from day to day in your business.

That being said... in the following months of this year we plan to expand the Oprano Family network to have our fingers in every aspect of this business. Nick and I are making good on our Dec 1st promise of Family, Honor, and the reawakening of Old School profits. While others are running around sucking on glass bottles and trying to copy yet another business model , we move forward.

The last ride has begun.... are you going to be left behind this time?
That is very interesting Gonzo. But I have to say, this business in its present form is very, very young. I am not quite sure why such a young business would have a last ride. I kind of smile when I hear expressions like "in the day" and "old school" for something that happened less than a decade ago. A lot of that stuff only worked because of the time and the naivety of both the consumer and the suppliers. I have no problem with the progression of business, but solid "old school" real world business practices, I feel, are going to become more prevalent and relevant in the next couple of years. I think the key is honesty for long term success. A fairly easy concept to understand, and a fairly easy concept to practice. "Old School Internet" went well over the top and has eroded consumer confidence and alerted folks like the ftc. How do you see addressing ftc and consumer confidence in the near future? [/b][/quote]
This was strangely overlooked. Gonzo, its an easy answer. Where exactly do you see the future of this business?

01-17-2005, 10:02 PM

Originally posted by rhymer11@Jan 15 2005, 04:28 PM
That is very interesting Gonzo. But I have to say, this business in its present form is very, very young. I am not quite sure why such a young business would have a last ride. I kind of smile when I hear expressions like "in the day" and "old school" for something that happened less than a decade ago.
If you have to ask this question, you weren't there, and will never understand the answer :rolleyes:

A lot of that stuff only worked because of the time and the naivety of both the consumer and the suppliers. I have no problem with the progression of business, but solid "old school" real world business practices, I feel, are going to become more prevalent and relevant in the next couple of years. I think the key is honesty for long term success. A fairly easy concept to understand, and a fairly easy concept to practice. "Old School Internet" went well over the top and has eroded consumer confidence and alerted folks like the ftc.

DUH. That's why we are referring to it as 'the good old days' and 'old school' - the time before we had to care about real work business ...

How do you see addressing ftc and consumer confidence in the near future?

To answer the blatantly obvious ... In the same way every other business does it ... by changing business models, and operating like real world business does. You are talking as if that's a difficult thing to do ... give us some credit :awinky:

What is family?
If you have to ask if ... you probably aren't :rolleyes:

rhymer11

01-17-2005, 10:18 PM

Originally posted by cj+Jan 17 2005, 07:03 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cj @ Jan 17 2005, 07:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-rhymer11@Jan 15 2005, 04:28 PM
That is very interesting Gonzo. But I have to say, this business in its present form is very, very young. I am not quite sure why such a young business would have a last ride. I kind of smile when I hear expressions like "in the day" and "old school" for something that happened less than a decade ago.
If you have to ask this question, you weren't there, and will never understand the answer :rolleyes:

A lot of that stuff only worked because of the time and the naivety of both the consumer and the suppliers. I have no problem with the progression of business, but solid "old school" real world business practices, I feel, are going to become more prevalent and relevant in the next couple of years. I think the key is honesty for long term success. A fairly easy concept to understand, and a fairly easy concept to practice. "Old School Internet" went well over the top and has eroded consumer confidence and alerted folks like the ftc.

DUH. That's why we are referring to it as 'the good old days' and 'old school' - the time before we had to care about real work business ...

How do you see addressing ftc and consumer confidence in the near future?

To answer the blatantly obvious ... In the same way every other business does it ... by changing business models, and operating like real world business does. You are talking as if that's a difficult thing to do ... give us some credit :awinky:

What is family?
If you have to ask if ... you probably aren't :rolleyes: [/b][/quote]
If you have to ask this question, you weren't there, and will never understand the answer rolleyes.gif

LOL. I was and I do. Were you?
:P

"DUH. That's why we are referring to it as 'the good old days' and 'old school' - the time before we had to care about real work business ... "

Been there.. Long before you. And you fucked up because you didn't care. I did that myself. Before you did.....

"To answer the blatantly obvious ... In the same way every other business does it ... by changing business models, and operating like real world business does. You are talking as if that's a difficult thing to do ... give us some credit :awinky:"

I actually don't. Hence my earlier comment...see where we all are next year. I don't see a lot of real acumen around here. Just a lot of bullshit and bluster. But I could be wrong.

What is family?

I never asked. WTF were you thinking. Family is something that you are accepted in. Not something that you are "made" or get "colours". That is a gang.

You guys make me laugh sometimes.

gonzo

01-17-2005, 10:19 PM

Originally posted by rhymer11+Jan 17 2005, 08:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (rhymer11 @ Jan 17 2005, 08:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by rhymer11@Jan 15 2005, 01:28 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-gonzo@Jan 15 2005, 11:03 AM
Ive meant to come back to restimulate this thread but there really wasnt any reason to do so. So I will distill some comments..

One of the founding principals for Mike and Serge was simply

"The Family that does business together"

Its something that I think of each time I go to purchase hosting, content, etc etc.

As Anth said..."family ... my peers who can be trusted with my business as well as my friendship."

I know that services/goods I have purchased over the past year has been bought pretty much from only people from this resource.
Likewise with my traffic. I can tell you that the bulk of my traffic has gone to sponsors that have supported Oprano. AEBN is a good example of that. I dont have to worry about the rules changing or the latest way they do some creative accounting to reduce what they pay out. My check from them has consistantly grown. And in some cases with less traffic.

By in large our long term sponsors are ones that I can trust with my traffic as well as my friendship.

I would encourage each of you to seek out those that provide services and are active on Oprano. Weve started a seperate forum for up and coming people in our industry such as Nick Pappageorgio to let you know what it is they do.

When I was actively building free sites I always looked at sponsors to see what they had that I could leverage by including them in the design or the concept before it was built. Its resulted in some nice dividends as well.

One of our long time family members is about to put a major push on their new marketing effort. We are awaiting the artwork and then we will be putting on a major push for this company. I urge you to look closely at how they have revised what they are doing to rebrand to make you more cash. If you have a paysite this should be a MUST in adding to your members area.

As witnessed by the shrinking show size in Las Vegas and the lengthy thread on whats wrong with AVN... this business is consolidating. If you dont want to be squeezed out then maybe you should not only know what family is as well as practice from day to day in your business.

That being said... in the following months of this year we plan to expand the Oprano Family network to have our fingers in every aspect of this business. Nick and I are making good on our Dec 1st promise of Family, Honor, and the reawakening of Old School profits. While others are running around sucking on glass bottles and trying to copy yet another business model , we move forward.

The last ride has begun.... are you going to be left behind this time?
That is very interesting Gonzo. But I have to say, this business in its present form is very, very young. I am not quite sure why such a young business would have a last ride. I kind of smile when I hear expressions like "in the day" and "old school" for something that happened less than a decade ago. A lot of that stuff only worked because of the time and the naivety of both the consumer and the suppliers. I have no problem with the progression of business, but solid "old school" real world business practices, I feel, are going to become more prevalent and relevant in the next couple of years. I think the key is honesty for long term success. A fairly easy concept to understand, and a fairly easy concept to practice. "Old School Internet" went well over the top and has eroded consumer confidence and alerted folks like the ftc. How do you see addressing ftc and consumer confidence in the near future?
This was strangely overlooked. Gonzo, its an easy answer. Where exactly do you see the future of this business? [/b][/quote]
Nah it wasnt overlooked it was ignored.

You always seem to want me to answer for the unethical billing practices of the past. When I refer to back in the day it was when I was getting checks in the mail and doing processing thru a floral company. There was no Ibill there was no CCBill... and Epoch/Paycom came along a lot later too.

The only spamming I personally was guilty of came off of a requested listserv or a mailing group. Them was the good old days I refer to...cuz back in the day people requested the email. Yahoo was a mailing list "back in the day".

Your version of the electronic biz may be very very young .... mine predated registering a domain name by at least 7 years.

I dont know why you constantly want to hold me personally responsible for whats fucked up in this business but you seem to always suggest I had something to do with it.

I didnt.

Let me distill and crystalize this for you once and for all.

We were the group of computer nerds that stacked what you know as the building blocks of the net like kids playing with their ABC blocks.

When this technology was emerging the big debate wasnt how to scam consumers out of bucks or to install "creative marketing" disguised spyware on pcs instead the big debate was...."What was the killer app going to be when using the internet."

Can you guess what it ended up being?

JoesHO

01-17-2005, 10:26 PM

Damn rhymer, is there anyone here you are NOT smarter or richer than?

rhymer11

01-17-2005, 10:26 PM

Originally posted by gonzo+Jan 17 2005, 07:20 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gonzo @ Jan 17 2005, 07:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by rhymer11@Jan 17 2005, 08:58 PM
Originally posted by rhymer11@Jan 15 2005, 01:28 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-gonzo@Jan 15 2005, 11:03 AM
Ive meant to come back to restimulate this thread but there really wasnt any reason to do so. So I will distill some comments..

One of the founding principals for Mike and Serge was simply

"The Family that does business together"

Its something that I think of each time I go to purchase hosting, content, etc etc.

As Anth said..."family ... my peers who can be trusted with my business as well as my friendship."

I know that services/goods I have purchased over the past year has been bought pretty much from only people from this resource.
Likewise with my traffic. I can tell you that the bulk of my traffic has gone to sponsors that have supported Oprano. AEBN is a good example of that. I dont have to worry about the rules changing or the latest way they do some creative accounting to reduce what they pay out. My check from them has consistantly grown. And in some cases with less traffic.

By in large our long term sponsors are ones that I can trust with my traffic as well as my friendship.

I would encourage each of you to seek out those that provide services and are active on Oprano. Weve started a seperate forum for up and coming people in our industry such as Nick Pappageorgio to let you know what it is they do.

When I was actively building free sites I always looked at sponsors to see what they had that I could leverage by including them in the design or the concept before it was built. Its resulted in some nice dividends as well.

One of our long time family members is about to put a major push on their new marketing effort. We are awaiting the artwork and then we will be putting on a major push for this company. I urge you to look closely at how they have revised what they are doing to rebrand to make you more cash. If you have a paysite this should be a MUST in adding to your members area.

As witnessed by the shrinking show size in Las Vegas and the lengthy thread on whats wrong with AVN... this business is consolidating. If you dont want to be squeezed out then maybe you should not only know what family is as well as practice from day to day in your business.

That being said... in the following months of this year we plan to expand the Oprano Family network to have our fingers in every aspect of this business. Nick and I are making good on our Dec 1st promise of Family, Honor, and the reawakening of Old School profits. While others are running around sucking on glass bottles and trying to copy yet another business model , we move forward.

The last ride has begun.... are you going to be left behind this time?
That is very interesting Gonzo. But I have to say, this business in its present form is very, very young. I am not quite sure why such a young business would have a last ride. I kind of smile when I hear expressions like "in the day" and "old school" for something that happened less than a decade ago. A lot of that stuff only worked because of the time and the naivety of both the consumer and the suppliers. I have no problem with the progression of business, but solid "old school" real world business practices, I feel, are going to become more prevalent and relevant in the next couple of years. I think the key is honesty for long term success. A fairly easy concept to understand, and a fairly easy concept to practice. "Old School Internet" went well over the top and has eroded consumer confidence and alerted folks like the ftc. How do you see addressing ftc and consumer confidence in the near future?
This was strangely overlooked. Gonzo, its an easy answer. Where exactly do you see the future of this business?
Nah it wasnt overlooked it was ignored.

You always seem to want me to answer for the unethical billing practices of the past. When I refer to back in the day it was when I was getting checks in the mail and doing processing thru a floral company. There was no Ibill there was no CCBill... and Epoch/Paycom came along a lot later too.

The only spamming I personally was guilty of came off of a requested listserv or a mailing group. Them was the good old days I refer to...cuz back in the day people requested the email. Yahoo was a mailing list "back in the day".

Your version of the electronic biz may be very very young .... mine predated registering a domain name by at least 7 years.

I dont know why you constantly want to hold me personally responsible for whats fucked up in this business but you seem to always suggest I had something to do with it.

I didnt.

Let me distill and crystalize this for you once and for all.

We were the group of computer nerds that stacked what you know as the building blocks of the net like kids playing with their ABC blocks.

When this technology was emerging the big debate wasnt how to scam consumers out of bucks or to install "creative marketing" disguised spyware on pcs instead the big debate was...."What was the killer app going to be when using the internet."

Can you guess what it ended up being? [/b][/quote]
Finally.....
Not a great answer, but an answer nevertheless. But you never addressed the question about where this is going. That was then and this is now. I see no real solution to the problems you guys seem to be having. A lot of in the day stuff that is totally, and I do mean totally irrelevant to how to make money today. Gonzo, I have seen you pitch one too many great plans just around the corner. Well this is the corner. What exactly is your intention? This board is a good start, but the ffn thing will never make you a nickle. It is just another fat filled, doughnut. Up to you. But cruising for a heart attack aint a lot of fun nor is it profitable. But we all really know that.

rhymer11

01-17-2005, 10:28 PM

Originally posted by JoesHO1@Jan 17 2005, 07:27 PM
Damn rhymer, is there anyone here you are NOT smarter or richer than?
Yes...you. LMFAO. That was a no brainer.

edit: Joe. How much money did you make last year?

More than 100K
More than 200K
More than 500K

Or more than a Million....

fess up dude. You seem to want to be a player. Lay it on the line....lol.

Nickatilynx

01-17-2005, 10:31 PM

rhymer,

Let me ask you a question.

95% of the people on this board have hno time for you.

So why do you still post?

Nickatilynx

01-17-2005, 10:33 PM

Originally posted by rhymer11+Jan 17 2005, 07:29 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (rhymer11 @ Jan 17 2005, 07:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-JoesHO1@Jan 17 2005, 07:27 PM
Damn rhymer, is there anyone here you are NOT smarter or richer than?
Yes...you. LMFAO. That was a no brainer.

edit: Joe. How much money did you make last year?

More than 100K
More than 200K
More than 500K

Or more than a Million....

fess up dude. You seem to want to be a player. Lay it on the line....lol. [/b][/quote]
What did you net last year , rhymer?

rhymer11

01-17-2005, 10:33 PM

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jan 17 2005, 07:32 PM
rhymer,

Let me ask you a question.

95% of the people on this board have hno time for you.

So why do you still post?
amusement. And also. 99 per cent of the people on this board really need a reality check. 25 per cent are thick as a sack of nails. You know that as well as I do.

edit: apparently 5% are good people.

rhymer11

01-17-2005, 10:37 PM

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Jan 17 2005, 07:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Jan 17 2005, 07:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by rhymer11@Jan 17 2005, 07:29 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-JoesHO1@Jan 17 2005, 07:27 PM
Damn rhymer, is there anyone here you are NOT smarter or richer than?
Yes...you. LMFAO. That was a no brainer.

edit: Joe. How much money did you make last year?

More than 100K
More than 200K
More than 500K

Or more than a Million....

fess up dude. You seem to want to be a player. Lay it on the line....lol.
What did you net last year , rhymer? [/b][/quote]
Probably as much as you. How much did you net?

edit:
but you and I both know that joe did not come close. He is here to pump up the numbers. Any fool with a keyboard can do that.

01-17-2005, 10:39 PM

Originally posted by rhymer11@Jan 17 2005, 10:19 PM
If you have to ask this question, you weren't there, and will never understand the answer rolleyes.gif

LOL. I was and I do. Were you?
:blink:

then why does nobody around here know who you are?
if you've changed names, why? got something to hide?

Been there.. Long before you. And you fucked up because you didn't care. I did that myself. Before you did.....

so is that why you are anonymous and won't tell anyone what you did before you ended up here, taking jabs at people from the safety of your anonymity? my hero :rolleyes:

I actually don't. Hence my earlier comment...see where we all are next year. I don't see a lot of real acumen around here. Just a lot of bullshit and bluster. But I could be wrong.

Who said anything about 'being anywhere' next year? I'm already *there* ... but I'll see you next year when you get here ;-) Success is a state of mind! Hanging out here is a good first step for you :okthumb:

What is family?

I never asked. WTF were you thinking. Family is something that you are accepted in. Not something that you are "made" or get "colours". That is a gang.

hey dumbass - its the title of the thread :rolleyes:
and don't feel bad that you aren't in our gang. we're all just full of bullshit anyway :awinky:

rhymer11

01-17-2005, 10:43 PM

Originally posted by cj+Jan 17 2005, 07:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cj @ Jan 17 2005, 07:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-rhymer11@Jan 17 2005, 10:19 PM
If you have to ask this question, you weren't there, and will never understand the answer rolleyes.gif

LOL. I was and I do. Were you?
:blink:

then why does nobody around here know who you are?
if you've changed names, why? got something to hide?

Been there.. Long before you. And you fucked up because you didn't care. I did that myself. Before you did.....

so is that why you are anonymous and won't tell anyone what you did before you ended up here, taking jabs at people from the safety of your anonymity? my hero :rolleyes:

I actually don't. Hence my earlier comment...see where we all are next year. I don't see a lot of real acumen around here. Just a lot of bullshit and bluster. But I could be wrong.

Who said anything about 'being anywhere' next year? I'm already *there* ... but I'll see you next year when you get here ;-) Success is a state of mind! Hanging out here is a good first step for you :okthumb:

What is family?

I never asked. WTF were you thinking. Family is something that you are accepted in. Not something that you are "made" or get "colours". That is a gang.

hey dumbass - its the title of the thread :rolleyes:
and don't feel bad that you aren't in our gang. we're all just full of bullshit anyway :awinky: [/b][/quote]
then why does nobody around here know who you are?
if you've changed names, why? got something to hide?

Who cares... and they do.

so is that why you are anonymous and won't tell anyone what you did before you ended up here, taking jabs at people from the safety of your anonymity? my hero :rolleyes:

I did...don't you read? Don't be so girly. It is embarrassing for a woman to do that.

hey dumbass - its the title of the thread :rolleyes:
and don't feel bad that you aren't in our gang. we're all just full of bullshit anyway :awinky:

I am not.

Nickatilynx

01-17-2005, 10:43 PM

hmmmm I was assessed for tax at just under 3.5 mil corporately,you?
I'm appealling it.

Personally I paid them.

And in fact , I will bet you I PAID more in taxes this year than you grossed.

I can substantiate what I say...you NEVER do.

You wanna start up with me again?

You are trying my patience and the patience of everyone else on this board...keep it up and I will ban you.

:)

gonzo

01-17-2005, 10:44 PM

Originally posted by rhymer11+Jan 17 2005, 10:27 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (rhymer11 @ Jan 17 2005, 10:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by gonzo@Jan 17 2005, 07:20 PM
Originally posted by rhymer11@Jan 17 2005, 08:58 PM
Originally posted by rhymer11@Jan 15 2005, 01:28 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-gonzo@Jan 15 2005, 11:03 AM
Ive meant to come back to restimulate this thread but there really wasnt any reason to do so. So I will distill some comments..

One of the founding principals for Mike and Serge was simply

"The Family that does business together"

Its something that I think of each time I go to purchase hosting, content, etc etc.

As Anth said..."family ... my peers who can be trusted with my business as well as my friendship."

I know that services/goods I have purchased over the past year has been bought pretty much from only people from this resource.
Likewise with my traffic. I can tell you that the bulk of my traffic has gone to sponsors that have supported Oprano. AEBN is a good example of that. I dont have to worry about the rules changing or the latest way they do some creative accounting to reduce what they pay out. My check from them has consistantly grown. And in some cases with less traffic.

By in large our long term sponsors are ones that I can trust with my traffic as well as my friendship.

I would encourage each of you to seek out those that provide services and are active on Oprano. Weve started a seperate forum for up and coming people in our industry such as Nick Pappageorgio to let you know what it is they do.

When I was actively building free sites I always looked at sponsors to see what they had that I could leverage by including them in the design or the concept before it was built. Its resulted in some nice dividends as well.

One of our long time family members is about to put a major push on their new marketing effort. We are awaiting the artwork and then we will be putting on a major push for this company. I urge you to look closely at how they have revised what they are doing to rebrand to make you more cash. If you have a paysite this should be a MUST in adding to your members area.

As witnessed by the shrinking show size in Las Vegas and the lengthy thread on whats wrong with AVN... this business is consolidating. If you dont want to be squeezed out then maybe you should not only know what family is as well as practice from day to day in your business.

That being said... in the following months of this year we plan to expand the Oprano Family network to have our fingers in every aspect of this business. Nick and I are making good on our Dec 1st promise of Family, Honor, and the reawakening of Old School profits. While others are running around sucking on glass bottles and trying to copy yet another business model , we move forward.

The last ride has begun.... are you going to be left behind this time?
That is very interesting Gonzo. But I have to say, this business in its present form is very, very young. I am not quite sure why such a young business would have a last ride. I kind of smile when I hear expressions like "in the day" and "old school" for something that happened less than a decade ago. A lot of that stuff only worked because of the time and the naivety of both the consumer and the suppliers. I have no problem with the progression of business, but solid "old school" real world business practices, I feel, are going to become more prevalent and relevant in the next couple of years. I think the key is honesty for long term success. A fairly easy concept to understand, and a fairly easy concept to practice. "Old School Internet" went well over the top and has eroded consumer confidence and alerted folks like the ftc. How do you see addressing ftc and consumer confidence in the near future?
This was strangely overlooked. Gonzo, its an easy answer. Where exactly do you see the future of this business?
Nah it wasnt overlooked it was ignored.

You always seem to want me to answer for the unethical billing practices of the past. When I refer to back in the day it was when I was getting checks in the mail and doing processing thru a floral company. There was no Ibill there was no CCBill... and Epoch/Paycom came along a lot later too.

The only spamming I personally was guilty of came off of a requested listserv or a mailing group. Them was the good old days I refer to...cuz back in the day people requested the email. Yahoo was a mailing list "back in the day".

Your version of the electronic biz may be very very young .... mine predated registering a domain name by at least 7 years.

I dont know why you constantly want to hold me personally responsible for whats fucked up in this business but you seem to always suggest I had something to do with it.

I didnt.

Let me distill and crystalize this for you once and for all.

We were the group of computer nerds that stacked what you know as the building blocks of the net like kids playing with their ABC blocks.

When this technology was emerging the big debate wasnt how to scam consumers out of bucks or to install "creative marketing" disguised spyware on pcs instead the big debate was...."What was the killer app going to be when using the internet."

Can you guess what it ended up being?
Finally.....
Not a great answer, but an answer nevertheless. But you never addressed the question about where this is going. That was then and this is now. I see no real solution to the problems you guys seem to be having. A lot of in the day stuff that is totally, and I do mean totally irrelevant to how to make money today. Gonzo, I have seen you pitch one too many great plans just around the corner. Well this is the corner. What exactly is your intention? This board is a good start, but the ffn thing will never make you a nickle. It is just another fat filled, doughnut. Up to you. But cruising for a heart attack aint a lot of fun nor is it profitable. But we all really know that. [/b][/quote]
To know where you going you have to know where you came from.

Your good at asking all of us how we are going to do this and that for the future.
You have yet to say how your made you millions and how you have an accordian and xylophone and tuba attached to your passport. All Ive seen is a feeble attempt to ridicule Mike and Serge who have made theirs and are enjoying it.

Based on the sites that Serge dropped in here a month or two ago your just another dog looking for a bone. The future is my own and what I do with it is my business.

The Fat Fucking Nobody Think tank is availible for hire if your lacking initiative and creative resources.

01-17-2005, 10:46 PM

its embarassing for a woman to be girly?!?!?

LMAO

geez, I just can't argue with that logic :rolleyes:

rhymer11

01-17-2005, 10:47 PM

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jan 17 2005, 07:44 PM
hmmmm I was assessed for tax at just under 3.5 mil corporately,you?
I'm appealling it.

Personally I paid them.

And in fact , I will bet you I PAID more in taxes this year than you grossed.

I can substantiate what I say...you NEVER do.

You wanna start up with me again?

You are trying my patience and the patience of everyone else on this board...keep it up and I will ban you.

:)

Well, you just appeal it kiddo. Because, like someone said earlier, its what you put in the bank. Please ban me if you must. Because a little sanity around here seems to hurt. Why do you feel so threatened? Money talks and all this bullshit just walks.

Nickatilynx

01-17-2005, 10:47 PM

ahahahahahahahahahahah

No one knows who CJ is?

rhymer11

01-17-2005, 10:47 PM

Originally posted by cj@Jan 17 2005, 07:47 PM
its embarassing for a woman to be girly?!?!?

LMAO

geez, I just can't argue with that logic :rolleyes:

Could you go girly on my ass?
I like it from behind ...

rhymer11

01-17-2005, 10:50 PM

And in fact , I will bet you I PAID more in taxes this year than you grossed.

Now that is totally funny. You really need a good chartered accountant because you gotta be richer than the Donald. give me a freeking break.

Nickatilynx

01-17-2005, 10:59 PM

Rhymer,springerdude,Graham,

You delusional liar , everything you say is fantasy.

I am done with you.

In fairness I tried to give you another chance , but you are a looney.

Its your last dance , monkey.

You are now about to be banned.

JoesHO

01-17-2005, 11:01 PM

Rhymer you NEVER back anything up you spew, you are a LYING piece of shit no two ways about it

you dont know shit and you dont make shit plain and simple

Hell Puppy

01-17-2005, 11:04 PM

The dude's like foreskin....

He can contain himself for a little while, but as soon as you rub him a little, the dickhead appears...

Nickatilynx

01-17-2005, 11:06 PM

All his claims is based on his wife , Julia's site.

http://www.ffstockings.com

But we've done this dance.

He assured me he would behave.

He didn't.

He's gone.

Nickatilynx

01-17-2005, 11:07 PM

Originally posted by Hell Puppy@Jan 17 2005, 08:05 PM
The dude's like foreskin....

He can contain himself for a little while, but as soon as you rub him a little, the dickhead appears...
ahahahahahahahahahahahaha

ahahahahahhahahahahahahahaha

:pearl:

01-17-2005, 11:09 PM

Originally posted by Hell Puppy@Jan 17 2005, 11:05 PM
The dude's like foreskin....

He can contain himself for a little while, but as soon as you rub him a little, the dickhead appears...
damn, and i've always like foreskins ... :(

JoesHO

01-17-2005, 11:24 PM

Originally posted by cj+Jan 17 2005, 08:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cj @ Jan 17 2005, 08:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Hell Puppy@Jan 17 2005, 11:05 PM
The dude's like foreskin....

He can contain himself for a little while, but as soon as you rub him a little, the dickhead appears...
damn, and i've always like foreskins ... :( [/b][/quote]
Reallly? doesnt it just get in the way?

Anthony

01-17-2005, 11:25 PM

Graham, eh?

Why is it every Graham I've ever had the misfortune of knowing has always been a "Cunt Mollusk"?

Cunt Mollusk TM Nickatilynx 2000 - 2005

Nickatilynx

01-17-2005, 11:27 PM

Originally posted by Anthony@Jan 17 2005, 08:26 PM
Graham, eh?

Why is it every Graham I've ever had the misfortune of knowing has always been a "Cunt Mollusk"?

Cunt Mollusk TM Nickatilynx 2000 - 2005
LOL

JoesHO

01-17-2005, 11:28 PM

what the hell is a mollusk? newton help a brother out with some translation will ya?

Nickatilynx

01-17-2005, 11:32 PM

mol·lusk also mol·lusc ( P ) Pronunciation Key (mlsk)
n.
Any of numerous chiefly marine invertebrates of the phylum Mollusca, typically having a soft unsegmented body, a mantle, and a protective calcareous shell and including the edible shellfish and the snails.

Because of his features and attitude a person of ourt acquaintence was so named ;-))

Newton

01-17-2005, 11:38 PM

Joe .. Its like a "Red Nobster" eating establishment ;)

01-18-2005, 01:13 AM

Originally posted by JoesHO1+Jan 17 2005, 11:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JoesHO1 @ Jan 17 2005, 11:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by cj@Jan 17 2005, 08:10 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Hell Puppy@Jan 17 2005, 11:05 PM
The dude's like foreskin....

He can contain himself for a little while, but as soon as you rub him a little, the dickhead appears...
damn, and i've always like foreskins ... :(
Reallly? doesnt it just get in the way? [/b][/quote]
don't flaps just get in the way?

Hell Puppy

01-18-2005, 01:31 AM

Originally posted by cj+Jan 18 2005, 01:14 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cj @ Jan 18 2005, 01:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by JoesHO1@Jan 17 2005, 11:25 PM
Originally posted by cj@Jan 17 2005, 08:10 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Hell Puppy@Jan 17 2005, 11:05 PM
The dude's like foreskin....

He can contain himself for a little while, but as soon as you rub him a little, the dickhead appears...
damn, and i've always like foreskins ... :(
Reallly? doesnt it just get in the way?
don't flaps just get in the way? [/b][/quote]
Well, yes, actually, if it's so worn out it looks like an Arby's roast beef sandwich....

gonzo

01-18-2005, 01:36 AM

Originally posted by Hell Puppy+Jan 18 2005, 01:32 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hell Puppy @ Jan 18 2005, 01:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by cj@Jan 18 2005, 01:14 AM
Originally posted by JoesHO1@Jan 17 2005, 11:25 PM
Originally posted by cj@Jan 17 2005, 08:10 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Hell Puppy@Jan 17 2005, 11:05 PM
The dude's like foreskin....

He can contain himself for a little while, but as soon as you rub him a little, the dickhead appears...
damn, and i've always like foreskins ... :(
Reallly? doesnt it just get in the way?
don't flaps just get in the way?
Well, yes, actually, if it's so worn out it looks like an Arby's roast beef sandwich.... [/b][/quote]
Dont go to Arbys late.... they run out of Roast Beef!

JoesHO

01-18-2005, 09:51 AM

Originally posted by cj+Jan 17 2005, 10:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cj @ Jan 17 2005, 10:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by JoesHO1@Jan 17 2005, 11:25 PM
Originally posted by cj@Jan 17 2005, 08:10 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Hell Puppy@Jan 17 2005, 11:05 PM
The dude's like foreskin....

He can contain himself for a little while, but as soon as you rub him a little, the dickhead appears...
damn, and i've always like foreskins ... :(
Reallly? doesnt it just get in the way?
don't flaps just get in the way? [/b][/quote]
Oh hell yes, I dont like flaps or too much hair....either one ruins the experience IMHO

spazlabz

01-18-2005, 12:23 PM

Let me preface this by saying I do not exspect to be viewed as family on this or any board. My trips to all of them are infrequent at best.
That being said, I think there are most definitely two types of definitions for family needed here.

1) actual REAL family.......by blood. As this is a personal thing, theres no need to define it. either you hold it sacred or you don't and my definition of it would be meaningless to you

2) Business family. I consider 2 people I have met over the past 7 or so years in this business to be my own personal business family. they know who they are and if they don't then one of them can shove those tasteless donuts right up his bunger heh heh. I have only two not because I am distant or distrusting of other people. Quite the opposite. But because those are the only 2 in all this time that has taken the time to get to know me, and that I have gotten to know. Either of these guys I could go months and months without having any contact with and one phone call and it was like no time has passed. They are also guys that anything I am doing, or any knowledge that I may obtain, I think if it would benefit them. And if so, I make it a point to make them aware of it. If they ask for a 'favor' and it is within my power to do it, I will do it and they owe me nothing. Friends or family don't owe, you do because you want to, not because you exspect anything in return.
Now to the non lovie dovie shit. These are also the guys I would most like to see profit other then myself, guys that I know I can tell my business secrets to and they will keep their mouths shut. Guys who will cut me in on a good deal if they, me and anyone else involved with it can profit. And these are guys i MOST want to do business with. They are also the ones who can tell me to shut my freaking pie hole if i am outta line and the ones I can call stupid mofos if they are messing up.

I would like to have a lot more people in this industry that I have relationships like this with, but the fact of the matter is, with everyones individual personalities taken into account, there is a very limited number of people that any of us can really have this kind of friendship with. As soon as ya start to number them higher and higher, the lower the value of each becomes.

so sayeth a spaz! heh heh

spaz

fierce

01-19-2005, 08:53 PM

Wow, this thread seems to go on forever, there is some very valuable information, some great things written by long time industry vets that i will definetely take to heart.

There are a great many things written about the company i work with, most of which i wont address. It is obvious that their are certain disagreements, these issues are being handled by the courts.

To say any more would be to fuel gossip and exascerbate the animosity among the other webmasters who seem to have taken sides, thats not what "family" is about.

JoesHo made a good point to me on another board about what is and is not acceptable behaviour so i'll follow his lead and keep the company's confidential issues quiet untill we have reached an appropriate time and place to disclose that information.

My proffesional family is made from those people who know i give my best everyday, that i never quit or give up, know that i will not shy away from controversy, love the fact that i am outrageous, outspoken and hyper-creative.My family knows i will never fail them, never come up short. My family knows I will laugh the loudest when we're up and work the hardest when we're down. Right now things are pretty good, we had a great convention, but that only means i have to go now because the best never rest and my family is depending on me to deliver. See ya ! :okthumb:

01-19-2005, 09:42 PM

fierce, to clarify, I haven't taken sides - and I don't see many others around here doing so either.

I could care less about your business, employees, ex-employees or any of the issues that come from your business, employees or ex-employees.

Its not that I have anything against you, I just have no interest in being involved in more of Melissa's crap :bwave:

fierce

01-19-2005, 10:25 PM

Well said CJ, as i said earlier, this is neither the time or the place, the point i was trying to illustrate in keeping with the theme of the thread was that family shouldn't have open airings of dirty laundry and displays of animosity and rancor. as my grandfather used to say "nobody else needs to smell our shit" .

01-19-2005, 10:50 PM

I believe quite the opposite ... family are the ones you can air your dirty laundry in front of, and they love you anyway. family are the ones who can critisize your dirty laundry, but jumps on anyone else who does.

A magnet on my fridge says it best ...

A friend is someone understands your past, believes in your future, and accepts you today for the way you are.

I hope you get your 'shit' cleaned up ;-)

Lisa

01-19-2005, 10:57 PM

Family to me, at least in the Oprano sense, means that almost everyone here understands where I've come from, and how I got here.

And more importantly, understands that there is a certain person in this business who I NEVER wish to have to confront again...and who makes sure that that person, and his 'associates', are not welcome here.

They know that this is my home...and I don't want it invaded. :)

gonzo

01-19-2005, 11:32 PM

Originally posted by spazlabz@Jan 18 2005, 12:24 PM
Let me preface this by saying I do not exspect to be viewed as family on this or any board. My trips to all of them are infrequent at best.

2) Business family. I consider 2 people I have met over the past 7 or so years in this business to be my own personal business family. they know who they are and if they don't then one of them can shove those tasteless donuts right up his bunger heh heh. I have only two not because I am distant or distrusting of other people. Quite the opposite. But because those are the only 2 in all this time that has taken the time to get to know me, and that I have gotten to know. Either of these guys I could go months and months without having any contact with and one phone call and it was like no time has passed. They are also guys that anything I am doing, or any knowledge that I may obtain, I think if it would benefit them. And if so, I make it a point to make them aware of it. If they ask for a 'favor' and it is within my power to do it, I will do it and they owe me nothing. Friends or family don't owe, you do because you want to, not because you exspect anything in return.
Now to the non lovie dovie shit. These are also the guys I would most like to see profit other then myself, guys that I know I can tell my business secrets to and they will keep their mouths shut. Guys who will cut me in on a good deal if they, me and anyone else involved with it can profit. And these are guys i MOST want to do business with. They are also the ones who can tell me to shut my freaking pie hole if i am outta line and the ones I can call stupid mofos if they are messing up.

I would like to have a lot more people in this industry that I have relationships like this with, but the fact of the matter is, with everyones individual personalities taken into account, there is a very limited number of people that any of us can really have this kind of friendship with. As soon as ya start to number them higher and higher, the lower the value of each becomes.

so sayeth a spaz! heh heh

spaz
SpaZ --

You know we both were helping out at the joke resource just a few years ago and the efforts were in vain.

No meetings, no team building and no bullshit.

I would waste that time again gladly if nothing more to make your acqaintance.

I know your a busy guy...and anyone that attended the Extreme Feish party saw that your a demon when it comes to video editing... the loop you created for that slide show was funny yet perfect for the night club....

and I know your busy on your new business project....

your already family. People just got to know you a little more!

Post more when you have time!

invasion

01-20-2005, 10:50 AM

Wow!!! what a great post but when I aw this I had to come out with guns blazin

Note: Azure didn't attend AVN under Azure they attended under Black Knight Publications - their webmaster "invasions" company because they screwed so many people over that they were looking for them. And they were escorted by head of security from the show for their behavior.

I think an important part of my definition of family is people who have the same ethics as me

Ok - Azure attended AVN under The Event Magazine (http://www.theeventmagazine.com) - Not my main company Black Knight Publishing. This is an online magazine and allowed us press access, behind the scenes, etc and it was also a favor to Azure Entertainment for taking care of me this long.

This was considered part of what "family" is taking care of who takes care of you. I would do that for anyone who takes care of me.

At 6'9" tall - anyone would have seen me including my cousin who was there was never at any time escorted by security. And I have pictures from AVN to prove it.

My nickname is invasion - I use that from my days as a dj - dj invasion - DJ Invasion Google Searches (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=dj+invasion) - my real name is Steven and yes I am a webmaster for mainstream and adult....So this may help clairfy some of the other stuff...

For all I care - she can go fuck herself!!!

I have never taken advantage of anyone or caused such stupidity as she has. This is one reason that I do not do business with her as she continualy fucks people over and over.

This not only will hurt her but her daughter also...

Melissa davies or Voitenka or whatever you call yourself - gather the wagons cause "as the good reverand once said, take heed to all who call as the Black Knights will be victorious once again"... :salute:

Anyway - eveyone have fun and hope no one got sick at Internext and AVN

Peace :rokk:

Nickatilynx

01-20-2005, 11:45 AM

Invasion ,

nice to see you here posting and I can understand your position.

I think CJ speaks for Oprano when in her post she says

fierce, to clarify, I haven't taken sides - and I don't see many others around here doing so either.

I could care less about your business, employees, ex-employees or any of the issues that come from your business, employees or ex-employees.

Its not that I have anything against you, I just have no interest in being involved in more of Melissa's crap

If you read earlier in this thread , Melissa has been proclaimed a scammer by everyone a number of people on this board who are full fledged Oprano Family.

And is proclaimed non family as a result.In this particular case that means IMHO , that no one on this board , would , as biggy said , in another thread, "buy anything from her , we might sell her something"

;-)))

We know OF Melissa and judge her to be a scammer.

You I personally don't know but can imagine the pain in the ass you are dealing with.

I am amazed you were unaware of her rep when you hired her.

I am glad to see members from your company ajnd yourself defend your stance in a professional manner.

This board is about business.

The Oprano Family is growing daily ans getter stronger.

Eventually Oprano Family members will NEVER have to do business with someone who isn't ......... family :)

Diesel

01-20-2005, 11:47 AM

Originally posted by Playful Melissa@Jan 13 2005, 08:35 AM

Allegedly is the key word here - I did not steal anything from Azure - in fact I have criminial charges against them for Insurance fraud, and assualt - this was their method of gurrilla tactics to try and get back at me because they lost the chocolate deal for trying to get it created by another source (this product is patented and they were shopping the methods they learned from them to create themselves) I did not go to work for the manufactuers. I do not work for the manufactuers I simply rep for them. Did I know they were possibly going to pull the chocolate from Azure - I'm cute not stupid - was I making plans - again - cute not stupid.

Ok first off..lol.. My Real name is Robert DiMarco and every one who has ever done business with us knows that, it’s on every contract I have signed. Unlike you Melissa I was not attempting to hide my identity, but because I have 2 children, I do not want my family exposed in anyway, but thank you for posting that and showing your “Family Values”

Melissa- Please post the criminal report number for the charges and the detective handling the case on the “Shoe incident” and the insurance fraud.

Also the comment on “Recruitment of underage talent by Michael Fierce” is a total lie. As everyone who has ever worked for us knows including talent, Larry Walters is our legal in this matter we follow the strictest of guidelines when it comes to talent and age verification implementing standards in 2257 before they become law.

BTW: We are members of ASACP and also have our own children. And of course because of the slanderous remarks I’m sending Larry this post. Man my legal is going to be way to high this year.

I do have a criminal and civil case against you, Law Enforcement has subpoenaed Adam Barish’s Bank Records as well as yours as you are aware and we are reviewing them. We also have the Im conversation and you’re telling customers to wire funds to an outside bank and all the other conversations (once my case is done I will post them here if the board wishes.) I have signed sworn statements from people that might shock you, all the BS you tell everyone will come out in the case.

The rest I will leave to the judges and the Legal teams. Its funny you say you did nothing but since you left sales the first month were up 130 percent and up over 300 percent the following month. Hmm makes one wonder. We here at Azure know what happened as so do others close to the company. Once our case have been completed we will then respond to any and all questions but we will not “take the bait” and jeopardize our case against you, Melissa, or Adam and the people that assisted you. We do apologize to the board for these posts, dirty laundry is never pretty.

Also Melissa it was wild at the booth at Internext, I can’t tell you how many people have come us to us telling stories about you and how you screwed them, it was like we have joined a club, the “Screwed By Melissa, Billinguru, Davies, what ever her name is now Club” Quite enlightening…

Now for My 2cents on Family
There is your blood family the people that stand behind you and love you no mater what, your children that look up to you and follow your every word action their everything you can see it in their eyes every time they look at you. The people who would give anything to each other in some cases even forfeit a life to protect another

Then there is your Business family, this is the family that work together to grow, spends hours and hours together to achieve (most of the time) a common goal. These bonds can run deep and when they break can cause huge fall outs do to the link or bond that has been formed through the time effort and struggle it take to make business happen.

I am not a big posting person, I read the boards all the time and each board is a community or family, like bonds are created but these are only words and can only go so far as to develop a family bond. So I guess in my humble opinion the boards can be a foundation to developing relationships that can further into stronger ties.

If you look at the industry as a whole we are all part of one huge family the “Adult Industry Family” Ours is a small group even with all other aspects combined (Internet, Home Entertainment, etc.) and should all work together to protect our family and its goals. Will everyone get a long…nope, every family has its issues its part of life but we are all working towards the same goals, in an industry that is not exactly loved by those on the outside (Yet they all use our products) that alone binds us in ways other industries do not and unites us even if we don’t care for everyone in the industry (we are only human)

Well that my small rant, enjoy the day all.

Nickatilynx

01-20-2005, 11:59 AM

Diesel ,

Good post. I understand your rant , TOTALLY. I'd feel the same.

I hope you and members of your firm will join in and conduct business here.

Welcome to Oprano :)

invasion

01-20-2005, 12:00 PM

thanks Nickatilynx

Oprano family is a good and nice family and that is why I post here...

Thanks Gonzo for letting me speak my mind...

and Great post Bobby - amazing!!!

Playful Melissa

01-20-2005, 12:03 PM

Mike AI

01-20-2005, 12:06 PM

I think it has been established that Melissa is OUT of the circle of trust.

She must be a Fokker!

:lol: :lol:

Anthony

01-20-2005, 12:07 PM

Originally posted by invasion@Jan 20 2005, 07:51 AM
Wow!!! what a great post but when I aw this I had to come out with guns blazin

Note: Azure didn't attend AVN under Azure they attended under Black Knight Publications - their webmaster "invasions" company because they screwed so many people over that they were looking for them. And they were escorted by head of security from the show for their behavior.

I think an important part of my definition of family is people who have the same ethics as me

Ok - Azure attended AVN under The Event Magazine (http://www.theeventmagazine.com) - Not my main company Black Knight Publishing. This is an online magazine and allowed us press access, behind the scenes, etc and it was also a favor to Azure Entertainment for taking care of me this long.

This was considered part of what "family" is taking care of who takes care of you. I would do that for anyone who takes care of me.

At 6'9" tall - anyone would have seen me including my cousin who was there was never at any time escorted by security. And I have pictures from AVN to prove it.

My nickname is invasion - I use that from my days as a dj - dj invasion - DJ Invasion Google Searches (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=dj+invasion) - my real name is Steven and yes I am a webmaster for mainstream and adult....So this may help clairfy some of the other stuff...

For all I care - she can go fuck herself!!!

I have never taken advantage of anyone or caused such stupidity as she has. This is one reason that I do not do business with her as she continualy fucks people over and over.

This not only will hurt her but her daughter also...

Melissa davies or Voitenka or whatever you call yourself - gather the wagons cause "as the good reverand once said, take heed to all who call as the Black Knights will be victorious once again"... :salute:

Anyway - eveyone have fun and hope no one got sick at Internext and AVN

Peace :rokk:
Explain why individuals of your company come to WRS/Macdaddybuck's party and start yelling at one of the content producer's I work with closely, loudly proclaiming with our food and drinks in his hand at how he doesn't have anything to do with theives.

I said it on GFY, and I'll say it here. From that outburst at our party, I would not do business with your company and if asked, would not recommened anyone to do business with you.

I don't give a fuck what your problems are with any one else, but to be a right fucking asshole at a free party we were doing for our clients is not only unprofessional, but a public slap in the face.

spazlabz

01-20-2005, 12:10 PM

Nickatilynx

01-20-2005, 12:11 PM

OK.... how about we take this to a new thread , Melissa????

Even I have heard of you...

And it is not good things.

Something about dodgy mail lists etc...

Nickatilynx

01-20-2005, 12:14 PM

oooops.....

errrr Invasion...

In case you don't know....

Anthony is like my brother.In fact he is not "like" , he is.

If he says these things about you there in one thing I categorically know.

Its true.

invasion

01-20-2005, 12:23 PM

1st of all Invasion is an employee of Azure entertainment

2nd if anyone had bothered to ask me I would happily have discussed the other issues.

3rd I have posted these and to date the only people who have been served with any legal documents have been Azure Entertainment

Want to know about past issues - as I said before I'm happy to discuss them - in full detail

as you all know, invasion is my board and aka name - my real name is Steven - and yes I am not only an employee but the webmaster and use my old stuff to post and I dont want to register new stuff

no one here has been served with anything - I am here from 9am to 7 or 8 most nights and anyone can reach me - - even if it is not a business related item - I have no problem helping anyone

To Mike AI - your a pimp - hit me up on ICQ when you have a chance and

final not on this - Anthony - please dont quote my name in with your party - it was your choice to do the deal with Melissa and Adam but he Fierce can be a hot head and he meant no harm by it

I enjoy meeting and helping anyone I can and developing long term relationships as "family" should be

Oh my icq is 281385059

I also agree with Bobby as I have friends and family that aren't always keen on what I do and I use "invasion" as a security to protect them...

Hey its all good and Peace :rokk:

invasion

01-20-2005, 12:27 PM

oh wanted to add

I wasnt at the wrs party - kinda tired

Peace :rokk:

Diesel

01-20-2005, 12:36 PM

Originally posted by Anthony+Jan 20 2005, 09:08 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Anthony @ Jan 20 2005, 09:08 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-invasion@Jan 20 2005, 07:51 AM
Wow!!! what a great post but when I aw this I had to come out with guns blazin

Note: Azure didn't attend AVN under Azure they attended under Black Knight Publications - their webmaster "invasions" company because they screwed so many people over that they were looking for them. And they were escorted by head of security from the show for their behavior.

I think an important part of my definition of family is people who have the same ethics as me

Ok - Azure attended AVN under The Event Magazine (http://www.theeventmagazine.com) - Not my main company Black Knight Publishing. This is an online magazine and allowed us press access, behind the scenes, etc and it was also a favor to Azure Entertainment for taking care of me this long.

This was considered part of what "family" is taking care of who takes care of you. I would do that for anyone who takes care of me.

At 6'9" tall - anyone would have seen me including my cousin who was there was never at any time escorted by security. And I have pictures from AVN to prove it.

My nickname is invasion - I use that from my days as a dj - dj invasion - DJ Invasion Google Searches (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=dj+invasion) - my real name is Steven and yes I am a webmaster for mainstream and adult....So this may help clairfy some of the other stuff...

For all I care - she can go fuck herself!!!

I have never taken advantage of anyone or caused such stupidity as she has. This is one reason that I do not do business with her as she continualy fucks people over and over.

This not only will hurt her but her daughter also...

Melissa davies or Voitenka or whatever you call yourself - gather the wagons cause "as the good reverand once said, take heed to all who call as the Black Knights will be victorious once again"... :salute:

Anyway - eveyone have fun and hope no one got sick at Internext and AVN

Peace :rokk:
Explain why individuals of your company come to WRS/Macdaddybuck's party and start yelling at one of the content producer's I work with closely, loudly proclaiming with our food and drinks in his hand at how he doesn't have anything to do with theives.

I said it on GFY, and I'll say it here. From that outburst at our party, I would not do business with your company and if asked, would not recommened anyone to do business with you.

I don't give a fuck what your problems are with any one else, but to be a right fucking asshole at a free party we were doing for our clients is not only unprofessional, but a public slap in the face. [/b][/quote]
I do apologize for one of my employee’s out burst, it was improper and wrong and shold never have occurred.

The content producer in question is Adam Barish and if you were to review my post from before you will understand the staff's frustration he is one of the people in question in stealing from Azure. Some people are more emotional than others, but its no excuse and he was reprimanded for it.

Anthony if you could tell me how did you meet Melissa and Adam? Just curious.

As for doing business you chose Melissa and Adam, I can understand why, friendship and all good luck, I can only wish you the best. Did I tell you I have all of Melissa's IM's from before she left man it make good reading drop me an email and Ill send them to you.

Well Im off to a hearing for Melissa.

This is my last post on the subject
:D

fierce

01-20-2005, 12:51 PM

Easy Nick what Anthony has to say about someone rudely bashing one his content suppliers is directed at me and my yes "innapropriate" behaviour, while my behaviour may have been innapropriate, something a few people have pointed out and a message that i have taken to heart from them, the message is not. Anthony your "content provider" is a crook, operating in cahoots with Ms Voitenko, I felt it was in everyones best interrest that they should be alerted to being in the presence of of scum. I have no regerets for what i have to say and apologize only for the manner in which it was said, Unfortuneately i couldnt afford a full color billboard.

I apologize to you for any embarrassment my outbursts may have caused you but hopefully it will serve its intended purpose, which is to inform you and others that the individuals in question are scammers and crooks.

The embarrassment that i caused at the party will be nothing in comparisosn to the embarrassment you will be subjected to when you find out you have been ripped off. Be carefull in your dealings, as you can see from so many other posts these people have been at this sort of thing before. You wont be able to say you weren't warned or didn't know. I have made it quite clear to all that Adam Barish and Melissa Voitenko are criminals, who will be dealt with by the courts.

In my family we dont lie, cheat or steal.

Anthony

01-20-2005, 01:19 PM

Some strong words here.

Like I said, I don't give a fuck what your business is with Adam and Melissa. I work with Adam Barish who has given us an excellent product, and continues to do so.

All I've heard are excuses why such unprofessional actions were perpetuated on our party. So far, we were disrespected because of your "Previous" history, nothing that we did.

A very smart man told me once, "Excuses are reasons for failure".

No matter what your problems are, the actions I witnessed gives me enough information for me to form my own views of who I would or would not do business with.

01-20-2005, 01:19 PM

"sorry the circumstances made me be immature and idiototic and left me with no choice whatsoever in the matter... blah blah blah..."

The only thing worse than an asshole, is an asshole who wastes his breath trying to justify and rationalize being an asshole.

In the future, when i am President (and eventually supreme ruler of the planet), I will decide who learns HTML and who doesn't and what kind of idiots will be allowed to work on the Internet. Together we will clean this business up one idiot at a time.

Vote JR 08'!!

invasion

01-20-2005, 01:32 PM

Haha JR - so true - so true

and Anthony - glad to hear that you have been and have gotten a succesful product from them

That doesn't matter to me but getting pissed of at me for something I have done and having Nick the same - dude - uncool but ok - I guess alot of people mistake me for a guy half my size...

Maybe when you come to Florida - you can meet me and we can grab a brew

Oh I have attached a pic below for future reference

http://www.djinvasion.com/images/Stevens_photo.jpg

Nickatilynx

01-20-2005, 01:32 PM

The only thing worse than an asshole, is an asshole who wastes his breath trying to justify and rationalize being an asshole.

but that err...I'll shut up. ;-)))

A very smart man told me once, "Excuses are reasons for failure".

Probably a very very good looking man too...

fierce,

It appears that you are a bit of an asshole.

Currently I wouldn't buy anything from either you lot or Melissa.

I'd sell ya some stuff though.

I support JR's manadate.

01-20-2005, 01:35 PM

everyone should pause.
take a deep breath.
and watch this clip.
http://www.croqaudile.com/index.php?page=c...=4363#clips4363 (http://www.croqaudile.com/index.php?page=clips&id=4363#clips4363)

Nickatilynx

01-20-2005, 01:36 PM

Anthony

01-20-2005, 01:39 PM

Originally posted by invasion@Jan 20 2005, 10:33 AM
Haha JR - so true - so true

and Anthony - glad to hear that you have been and have gotten a succesful product from them

That doesn't matter to me but getting pissed of at me for something I have done and having Nick the same - dude - uncool but ok - I guess alot of people mistake me for a guy half my size...

Maybe when you come to Florida - you can meet me and we can grab a brew

Oh I have attached a pic below for future reference

http://www.djinvasion.com/images/Stevens_photo.jpg
I know who you are, and frankly showing me your pic makes me think you want to throw down. Maybe I'm taking it wrong, it looks like a chance at intimidation, which if you ask around, doesn't mean shit to me. If I'm wrong and you just love showing your pic, then it must be my imagination.

I didn't blame you, read my first post. As for catching a brew, maybe in the future after all this clears up and I don't have to deal with this bullshit.

JoesHO

01-20-2005, 01:42 PM

Nickatilynx

01-20-2005, 01:42 PM

Originally posted by JR@Jan 20 2005, 10:36 AM
everyone should pause.
take a deep breath.
and watch this clip.
http://www.croqaudile.com/index.php?page=c...=4363#clips4363 (http://www.croqaudile.com/index.php?page=clips&id=4363#clips4363)
Nice tune...

catchy..

meeee ah hooo!! meee a ha!!!

Nickatilynx

01-20-2005, 01:46 PM

Originally posted by JoesHO1+Jan 20 2005, 10:43 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JoesHO1 @ Jan 20 2005, 10:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Playful Melissa@Jan 20 2005, 09:04 AM
1st of all Invasion is an employee of Azure entertainment

2nd if anyone had bothered to ask me I would happily have discussed the other issues.

3rd I have posted these and to date the only people who have been served with any legal documents have been Azure Entertainment

Want to know about past issues - as I said before I'm happy to discuss them - in full detail
Fuck off cunt, does it get any planer than that? :barfon: [/b][/quote]
A plethora of cunts in fact , Joe.

Whats the collective for cunts....

A brothel of whores..

a GFY of cunts?????

~~~ me aho!!! me aha!!!

JoesHO

01-20-2005, 01:53 PM

Originally posted by fierce@Jan 20 2005, 09:52 AM
Easy Nick what Anthony has to say about someone rudely bashing one his content suppliers is directed at me and my yes "innapropriate" behaviour, while my behaviour may have been innapropriate, something a few people have pointed out and a message that i have taken to heart from them, the message is not. Anthony your "content provider" is a crook, operating in cahoots with Ms Voitenko, I felt it was in everyones best interrest that they should be alerted to being in the presence of of scum. I have no regerets for what i have to say and apologize only for the manner in which it was said, Unfortuneately i couldnt afford a full color billboard.

I apologize to you for any embarrassment my outbursts may have caused you but hopefully it will serve its intended purpose, which is to inform you and others that the individuals in question are scammers and crooks.

The embarrassment that i caused at the party will be nothing in comparisosn to the embarrassment you will be subjected to when you find out you have been ripped off. Be carefull in your dealings, as you can see from so many other posts these people have been at this sort of thing before. You wont be able to say you weren't warned or didn't know. I have made it quite clear to all that Adam Barish and Melissa Voitenko are criminals, who will be dealt with by the courts.

In my family we dont lie, cheat or steal.
charging into a lions den as a gladiator is not always the best move...

I agree, I trust Anthony's judgement 100% and that has defiantly put a shadow of skeptism on any kind of business dealing with you ..

I hope you change your stance before it is too late for you, cause as I said on GFY I stand in Anthony's corner

and Invasion, intimidation will only get you hurt when dealing with this crowd, you might wanna take a step back and get a hold of yourself

tall is good for basketball, and maybe works for Normal webmasters, but I asure you that tactic is going to be the worst possible move you could make, and quite possibly could land you in the hospital.

invasion

01-20-2005, 01:57 PM

Hey Nickatilynx - I am 6'9" tall - thanks for the HUGE comment - much appreciated

Anthony - its not a means to throw down or anything like that - it was just to let anyone know who I am and that I cant be mistaken for someone half of my size

Showing the pic was a matter of love...

Yeah - lets grab a beer when you come and the dust settles

I a webmaster - true and through - not sales and I like to party, drink , get laid and have fun

Florida is perfect for that

Great song JR

Thanks and have fun :barfon:

Nickatilynx

01-20-2005, 02:03 PM

To repeat :

""Currently I wouldn't buy anything from either you lot or Melissa.

I'd sell ya some stuff though."""

:)

Anthony

01-20-2005, 02:05 PM

Originally posted by invasion@Jan 20 2005, 10:58 AM
Hey Nickatilynx - I am 6'9" tall - thanks for the HUGE comment - much appreciated

Anthony - its not a means to throw down or anything like that - it was just to let anyone know who I am and that I cant be mistaken for someone half of my size

Showing the pic was a matter of love...

Yeah - lets grab a beer when you come and the dust settles

I a webmaster - true and through - not sales and I like to party, drink , get laid and have fun

Florida is perfect for that

Great song JR

Thanks and have fun :barfon:
Fine,

Thank you for the clarification. You are definately no that the person who caused a scene, though I do remember seeing you at our parth.

For what it's worth, peace.

fierce

01-20-2005, 02:39 PM

I haven't made any excuses, nor will i. I did what i did. The time, place and delivery of the message was innappropriate, the message itself was not.

I posit this question to you JoesHos, who has the most to gain? The most to lose? Who in your family will turn out to be "Fredo" ?

Now we can all sit around here taking a giant shit on each other or we can all go back to work. Me I got bills to pay so this will be my last post on this topic untill the court has given a decision.
:ttth!:

Newton

01-20-2005, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jan 20 2005, 10:47 AM
Whats the collective for cunts....

It's a "Set"

Oxford English Dictionary:
Cunt(n); Saxon word for Sheath or Scabbard,
Common vernacular for female genitalia (vulg.)
Albarn (Damon) (20th cent. pop.mediocrity)
Collective noun: Set ie. “You bollock-brained set of cunts, how much time do you set of cunts have to waste on this type of shyte”

also I found these useful terms

“set” of cunts
“mound” of twats
“bunch” of fanny’s
“peck” of pissflaps
“bundle” of labia
“pot” of clitorii
“bucket” of minges

SmokingDawn

01-20-2005, 03:23 PM

To me family is sticking together with people you care for through thick and thin.Watching each others back and doing all you can to help them when they are in need

invasion

01-20-2005, 03:36 PM

Hey guys

not hear for intimaidation just clarifying and helping with info

I am the easiest guy to get along with and hell of a lot of fun to party with

Hope when you guys come down to Florida, we can grab a beer or so and chill in the sun at the pool looking at the honeys

Have fun and keep it real

Invasion :bwave:

Raven

01-20-2005, 03:39 PM

Originally posted by Playful Melissa@Jan 20 2005, 09:04 AM
1st of all Invasion is an employee of Azure entertainment

2nd if anyone had bothered to ask me I would happily have discussed the other issues.

3rd I have posted these and to date the only people who have been served with any legal documents have been Azure Entertainment

Want to know about past issues - as I said before I'm happy to discuss them - in full detail
Ya know, Melissa?

I've been following this thread with some interest.

I don't know you; but, I know of you.

When someone says he or she will 'happily' discuss issues that are legally a pain in the ass and hurtful to someone else's business, I get suspicious.

I'll never know if 'my details' will be plastered on some board. There is something called confidentiality. There are also times when circumspection is appropriate.

I don't know if I am considered part of Oprano's family. Maybe someday.

But, you, my dear, will never be part of anyone's family.

You have a big mouth and too much dirt trailing behind your name.

Nickatilynx

01-20-2005, 03:56 PM

Originally posted by Raven+Jan 20 2005, 12:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Raven @ Jan 20 2005, 12:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Playful Melissa@Jan 20 2005, 09:04 AM
1st of all Invasion is an employee of Azure entertainment

2nd if anyone had bothered to ask me I would happily have discussed the other issues.

3rd I have posted these and to date the only people who have been served with any legal documents have been Azure Entertainment

Want to know about past issues - as I said before I'm happy to discuss them - in full detail
Ya know, Melissa?

I've been following this thread with some interest.

I don't know you; but, I know of you.

When someone says he or she will 'happily' discuss issues that are legally a pain in the ass and hurtful to someone else's business, I get suspicious.

I'll never know if 'my details' will be plastered on some board. There is something called confidentiality. There are also times when circumspection is appropriate.

I don't know if I am considered part of Oprano's family. Maybe someday.

But, you, my dear, will never be part of anyone's family.

You have a big mouth and too much dirt trailing behind your name. [/b][/quote]
I like Raven an awful lot :)

Anthony

01-20-2005, 04:01 PM

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Jan 20 2005, 12:57 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Jan 20 2005, 12:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Raven@Jan 20 2005, 12:40 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Playful Melissa@Jan 20 2005, 09:04 AM
1st of all Invasion is an employee of Azure entertainment

2nd if anyone had bothered to ask me I would happily have discussed the other issues.

3rd I have posted these and to date the only people who have been served with any legal documents have been Azure Entertainment

Want to know about past issues - as I said before I'm happy to discuss them - in full detail
Ya know, Melissa?

I've been following this thread with some interest.

I don't know you; but, I know of you.

When someone says he or she will 'happily' discuss issues that are legally a pain in the ass and hurtful to someone else's business, I get suspicious.

I'll never know if 'my details' will be plastered on some board. There is something called confidentiality. There are also times when circumspection is appropriate.

I don't know if I am considered part of Oprano's family. Maybe someday.

But, you, my dear, will never be part of anyone's family.

You have a big mouth and too much dirt trailing behind your name.
I like Raven an awful lot :) [/b][/quote]
She's a smart lady, and loves MMA to boot! :)