Ladies and Gentleman

[grimm]

Mr. Bush told editors and reporters of The Washington Times yesterday in an interview in the Oval Office that many in the public misunderstand the role of faith in his life and his view of the proper relationship between religion and the government.

"I think people attack me because they are fearful that I will then say that you're not equally as patriotic if you're not a religious person," Mr. Bush said. "I've never said that. I've never acted like that. I think that's just the way it is.



:blink:

[grimm]

doh forgot the URL


http://www.washtimes.com/national/20050111-101004-3771r.htm

[Nickatilynx]

Scariest President , EVER!

[PornoDoggy]

"This is a country that is a value-based country," he said. "Whether they voted for you or not, there's a lot of values in this country, for which I'm real proud."

Sorry that didn't make it into Colin's "Modern Phiosophers" thread yesterday ... :headwall: :yowsa: :blink:

[rhymer11]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jan 12 2005, 10:00 AM
Scariest President , EVER!
You got that right. He makes Nixxon look like a freeking honest man and Johnson a saint....This just in
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/01/12/wmd.search/index.html

[grimm]

They snuck them into syria, or iran, or maybe Korea?

:blink:

[grimm]

the hits just keep on coming.


http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/01/12/...en.ap/index.htm (http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/01/12/iraq.bin.laden.ap/index.htm)


Iraqi insurgents fear bin Laden's moves

CAIRO, Egypt (AP) -- Osama bin Laden has vowed to turn Iraq into the
front line of his war against the United States, but Iraqi
insurgents seem worried that he's out to hijack their rebellion.

At times, the Iraqis and foreign Muslim militants seem to be
competing.

Media reports and Web statements have speculated that a Saudi
carried out the December 21 suicide bombing of a U.S. mess tent in
the northern Iraqi city of Mosul that killed 22 people.

But Ansar al-Sunnah, the homegrown group that took responsibility
for that deadliest of attacks on a U.S. target in Iraq, named the
bomber as Abu Omar of Mosul, a nom de guerre that pointedly claims
him as an Iraqi.

Earlier this month, a posting on Ansar al-Sunnah's Web site told
foreign militants to stop coming. The group, which defines itself as
both nationalist and Islamic, said it needed money, not more
recruits.

"We have concrete information that a sharp division is now broiling
between" Iraqis waging a nationalist war and foreign Arabs spurred
by militant Islam, said Mouwafak al-Rubaie, the Iraqi government's
national security adviser. "They are more divided than ever."

Al-Rubaie said one reason was the perception among Iraqis that Abu
Musab al-Zarqawi, the Jordanian militant whom bin Laden endorsed as
his deputy in Iraq, was of little help during the American onslaught
on the Iraqi insurgent hotbed of Falluja in November.

"Al-Zarqawi and his group fled Falluja and let the Iraqis face the
attack alone," al-Rubaie said in a telephone interview.

Some Iraqis may have drawn parallels between the debacle in Falluja
and what happened to Afghanistan after it became bin Laden's
headquarters.

Since Saddam Hussein's regime was overthrown by the American-led war
in April 2003, insurgents including foreign fighters have waged a
guerrilla war aimed at forcing out U.S. troops. The Iraqi interim
government says it has detained more than 300 foreign fighters,
among them men from almost every Arab country.

Some streamed into Iraq shortly before the war, invited by a
desperate Saddam. Muslim militants are believed to be behind some of
the deadliest attacks against U.S. and Iraqi forces.

In a 33-page address last month, bin Laden, the Saudi-born
millionaire-turned-terrorist, called for turning Iraq into an
Islamic state that would eventually be part of a worldwide Islamic
empire.

In the same message, though, he may have angered insurgents loyal to
Saddam by calling the toppled president "a butcher" and "a tyrant."
And naming a Jordanian as his deputy in Iraq would not have sat well
even among Iraqis who share bin Laden's militant vision of Islam.

Bin Laden's message also scoffed at plans for Iraqi elections,
saying democracy was un-Islamic. But Iraqi groups including Sunni
clergy that had earlier called for boycotting the January 30 vote
now say they want to participate if a timetable is set for U.S.
withdrawal.

"Bin Laden's problem is that he is far away from reality, he is a
daydreamer. He is even blind," said Shadi Abdel Aziz, a Cairo
University professor and author of "Continuity and Change in bin
Laden's Thought."

Abdel Aziz said bin Laden's key mistake is to ignore that "people
always put their national and personal interests first."

"In this part of the world people have several identities, Islam is
only one of them and it does not necessarily come first," he said.

Bin Laden's problem in Iraq seems similar to what he faced in
Afghanistan after the defeat of Soviet troops. While bin Laden
wanted to follow up with a worldwide war on those he saw as Islam's
enemies, some of the warlords who became Afghanistan's new rulers
wanted the Arab fighters out.

Al-Rubaie, the Iraqi national security adviser, was an Islamic
activist in his youth, but believes bin Laden-style Islam will fail
to take hold in Iraq.

"They failed in Egypt, which is a more homogenous society, and they
failed in Afghanistan when they had a state," he said. "How can they
win here with all this religious and sectarian diversity?"

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[grimm]

you gotta admit.. even staunch republicans... i mean hard core republicans.. have to wonder if hes potty trained LOL

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Jan 12 2005, 01:08 PM
"This is a country that is a value-based country," he said. "Whether they voted for you or not, there's a lot of values in this country, for which I'm real proud."

Sorry that didn't make it into Colin's "Modern Phiosophers" thread yesterday ... :headwall: :yowsa: :blink:
Is he quoting Quayle?

[PornoDoggy]

In the destruction of the English language, Quale is to Marx as Bush is to Lennin.

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Jan 12 2005, 03:19 PM
Quale is to Marx as Bush is to Lennin.
One of these things is not like the other. One of these things does not belong. Can .. you .. guess .. which .. one?

[rhymer11]

Originally posted by grimm@Jan 12 2005, 10:44 AM
They snuck them into syria, or iran, or maybe Korea?

:blink:
Psssssst. They never had them.

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by rhymer11+Jan 12 2005, 01:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (rhymer11 @ Jan 12 2005, 01:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@Jan 12 2005, 10:00 AM
Scariest President , EVER!
You got that right. He makes Nixxon look like a freeking honest man and Johnson a saint....This just in
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/01/12/wmd.search/index.html [/b][/quote]
Who do you think is/was a better politician? Nixon or Bush?

[rhymer11]

Originally posted by Almighty Colin+Jan 12 2005, 12:57 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Almighty Colin @ Jan 12 2005, 12:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by rhymer11@Jan 12 2005, 01:10 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@Jan 12 2005, 10:00 AM
Scariest President , EVER!
You got that right. He makes Nixxon look like a freeking honest man and Johnson a saint....This just in
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/01/12/wmd.search/index.html
Who do you think is/was a better politician? Nixon or Bush? [/b][/quote]
Nixxon. Without a doubt. He was a DC survivor until he crashed.