PPS vs. Revshare

[Hell Puppy]

There's been a lot of talk on several boards about PPS vs. revshare from the advertiser perspective. Let's talk about it a bit from the publisher perspective.

Whose ads will you fly?

[Lee]

I dont care so long as the following criteria are met..

a ) i get paid
b ) the niche suits my traffic and most importantly;
c ) i like the company im promoting.

[Vick]

If you're in it long term having mostly PPS with a few choice RevShare is a good way to go

Two years ago the average Cloud 9 Cash webhamster earned .06 per click
But it took the entire year to get to that number
.06 per click is better than most programs can do
But again you have to be in long term

It's safer and quicker to get the $ as fast as possible but if you have the patience, time, $ and a compnay that will be there day in and day out, year in and year out it's nice to have a diverse portfolio to assure maxuimn earnings

[Opti]

Up until 12 months ago I was almost 100% PPS ... And still dont like revshare unless the program can average better than $20 per new signup. Which most can't for me.

I have tried lots of revshare programs for 3 or 4 month periods though.. and am noticing the ccbill checks are really adding up recently. I like that google did a shock and awe raid on my traffic last week and daily income is holding up a lot better than it would have a year ago too.. revshare does even out the bumps for a freesite traffic webmaster!

[Nickatilynx]

Averaging 6 cents a click ya say , Vick.


Wonder if there will be a RAW clicks program of any size again? ;-)))


Opranoclicks.com...


aside:The little freaks would never go for it
but what if they did.....


;-)))

[BillPMB]

in my return to the mix, I've been finding a HUGE difference in conversions. Traffic that converted 1:500 before converts now at 1:4200 (and that's not a random number) These long, one page bang your head tours don't convert for me, even with all the trailers.

Saturation is a big factor, as I'm finding that the BIG programs are releasing new sites very frequently to "create a buzz" in my eye. Trying to fill niches they're not familiar with. Your traffic whether it converts or not is revenue in the form of eyeballs on their ads if you choose to promote it.

I mean please, camel toes with one pube on the left and 4 on the right, green eyes and red hair dot com. (and no, I'm not picking on the camel toe site from a program I cannot recall)

Nichey programs with established sites is my next test. They'll have the content to retain those trials. :) Join the sites you plan to market, see if they will make your surfers happy. (huh? pay for porn? ) Just don't do it on your ad links, cancel your trial and look around. Surf like a surfer as a good friend of mine would say.

PPS has cornered the market IMHO, but, keep your eyes open and watch your traffic. I watch it like a hawk. It's amazing. I swap em out and look some more. 2 joins and 5000 front page hits with a reported ratio of 1:241. Give me a fucking break.

Above all, stop reading this tripe and get to work.

Happy New Year!

Nick please....You're a crook and I still like you, don't push it. ;)

BillPMB
(rebuilding the best to be better, it'll be fun!)

[Peaches]

Bill, I still get rev share checks from you guys and I haven't sent traffic to you (or anyone, so I'm not singling you out) in a couple of years! :okthumb:

[Vick]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jan 1 2005, 01:15 PM
Averaging 6 cents a click ya say , Vick.


Wonder if there will be a RAW clicks program of any size again? ;-)))


Opranoclicks.com...


aside:The little freaks would never go for it
but what if they did.....


;-)))
Nick the .06 figure is from the calendar year 2002
2003 was .043
I haven't finished the numbers for 2004

It would be a risky to go per click. Would have so many rules/regulations and spend a significant amount of fraud prevention.

Then again there always the if you don't convert at so and so you get switched to Revshare or if your traffic doesn't retain at so and so you get switched to Revshare

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Vick+Jan 1 2005, 09:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Vick @ Jan 1 2005, 09:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@Jan 1 2005, 01:15 PM
Averaging 6 cents a click ya say , Vick.


Wonder if there will be a RAW clicks program of any size again? ;-)))


Opranoclicks.com...


aside:The little freaks would never go for it
but what if they did.....


;-)))
Nick the .06 figure is from the calendar year 2002
2003 was .043
I haven't finished the numbers for 2004

It would be a risky to go per click. Would have so many rules/regulations and spend a significant amount of fraud prevention.

Then again there always the if you don't convert at so and so you get switched to Revshare or if your traffic doesn't retain at so and so you get switched to Revshare [/b][/quote]
or the often highly satisying...


"Dear Affiliate ,

In regds to yr allegation concerning the $16,345.27 owed for traffic sent to our highly respected program.

Unfortunately it appears you are in breech of our TOS.

Apparently , you signed up on a tuesday in the afternoon!!!.

That is totally against section 632 (a) 32b - a(iii) -3 of our TOS , thus all monies are forfeited."



;-))))


I do know a program that had and may still have , buried in their TOS , a clause that basically said , "the affiliate ( herin referred to as the affilaite) may be cancelled and all traffic accrued forfeited for any reason whatsoever by the party of the first part"..

Checked..

Yup its still there...

betcha ya can't find it ;-))

[Vick]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jan 2 2005, 01:15 AM

I do know a program that had and may still have , buried in their TOS , a clause that basically said , "the affiliate ( herin referred to as the affilaite) may be cancelled and all traffic accrued forfeited for any reason whatsoever by the party of the first part"..

Checked..

Yup its still there...

betcha ya can't find it ;-))
If I looked hard enough I'd think I can find something similar in the TOS of many programs :awinky:

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Vick+Jan 1 2005, 11:28 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Vick @ Jan 1 2005, 11:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@Jan 2 2005, 01:15 AM

I do know a program that had and may still have , buried in their TOS , a clause that basically said , "the affiliate ( herin referred to as the affilaite) may be cancelled and all traffic accrued forfeited for any reason whatsoever by the party of the first part"..

Checked..

Yup its still there...

betcha ya can't find it ;-))
If I looked hard enough I'd think I can find something similar in the TOS of many programs :awinky: [/b][/quote]
Name some...

[pearl noir studio]

i think it is both a good way to earn money. But if you are for a quick buck then i would work with pps.

[urb]

I see more CCBill checks arrive here than any other.

Revshare has always kept me in $$$ when Google has moved me down the serps.

[Nickatilynx]

Isn't a program that is purely Rev share simply saying:


"Hello Webmasters , We do not have the Capital to PPS"


??????

[urb]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jan 2 2005, 06:39 PM
Isn't a program that is purely Rev share simply saying:


"Hello Webmasters , We do not have the Capital to PPS"


??????
When I see a program with revshare... I just think that I can make more money off it than PPS, but in installments.

[TheEnforcer]

No two situations are the same because traffic streams can vary wildly. An example I gave on another board was Amelia G, who deals with very niche traffic like goth traffic. If people looking for that kind of content find a site they like they will stay and be loyal and make someone a lot more money over the long run than the 25-35 they might get on a PPS for that same surfer were they to use PPS. Also, that type of traffic isn't NEARLY as plentiful as say teen or other vanilla type traffic.

[BillPMB]

"Isn't a program that is purely Rev share simply saying:


"Hello Webmasters , We do not have the Capital to PPS""

Not at all, we're saying we WON'T offer one because there isn't any non sneaky/creative/business genius in bad way to make money without skimming.

MY traffic still converts better on revshare tours than it does on pps tours, in every single case. I'm testing gay PPS programs now, it's pretty funny.

Have a nice day.

:)

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by BillPMB@Jan 2 2005, 04:32 PM
"Isn't a program that is purely Rev share simply saying:


"Hello Webmasters , We do not have the Capital to PPS""

Not at all, we're saying we WON'T offer one because there isn't any non sneaky/creative/business genius in bad way to make money without skimming.

MY traffic still converts better on revshare tours than it does on pps tours, in every single case. I'm testing gay PPS programs now, it's pretty funny.

Have a nice day.

:)
Oh yes there is , say you'll pay $25 per join....


Additonally , a revshare program can be shaved just as easy as a PPS.

Revshare is no guarantee of honesty.

But it is an indication that the corp cannot pay pps.

IMHO.

Abnd I'm not picking on you Bill , just saying.

[BillPMB]

"Additonally , a revshare program can be shaved just as easy as a PPS."

How so? Do tell. I'd LOVE to hear how if you're using CCBill and Paycom.

"Revshare is no guarantee of honesty."

I'll grant you that without argument.

"But it is an indication that the corp cannot pay pps."

Nope. It may be the fact that the program is out of country or out of touch with ADP and the like to take over the drudgery of physically doing AP. It's a pain in the ass! Having the processors do that is SOO much more tastey!

But, alas, we're going in house merch accounts but thankfully we've automated the check cutting process for that.

What do you know about cutting checks Nick? You were really good at taking traffic, but not paying for it as I recall. ;-))) hehe

[SykkBoy]

Originally posted by BillPMB@Jan 2 2005, 10:29 PM
What do you know about cutting checks Nick? You were really good at taking traffic, but not paying for it as I recall. ;-))) hehe
oh man
I could feel that burn all the way out here in the desert...

[Nickatilynx]

What do you know about cutting checks Nick? You were really good at taking traffic, but not paying for it as I recall. ;-))) hehe

Tales of me taking traffic and not paying for it are greatly exagerated. ;-)))

but it was a good burn :(

I appreciate even a good burn regardless of the target :)



as for shaving revshare...

That was covered in this thread I believe.

http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/index.php?showtopic=15194

[aeon]

Originally posted by BillPMB@Jan 1 2005, 08:17 PM
in my return to the mix, I've been finding a HUGE difference in conversions. Traffic that converted 1:500 before converts now at 1:4200 (and that's not a random number)
We gotta work on your traffic quality old man...1:4200 isn't acceptable at all - even for the most shit/bulk traffic.

PPS for sponsors and revshare for AVS (no paysite retains like an AVS site period).

99.9% of program owners are fuckin' theives. I'll take my money in hand (shaved or not) instead of trusting a theif to pay me later, thank you. Not only do you have to trust the theif on an IOU - but their processor as well - too dangerous...say hello to ibill and globill, etc.,

[Opti]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jan 2 2005, 04:15 PM

I do know a program that had and may still have , buried in their TOS , a clause that basically said , "the affiliate ( herin referred to as the affilaite) may be cancelled and all traffic accrued forfeited for any reason whatsoever by the party of the first part"..

Checked..

Yup its still there...

betcha ya can't find it ;-))
Would this line also be in it?

We reserve the right to make adjustments to webmasters paid signups to allow for chargebacks, refunds, high cancellation rates, and suspected fraud

:matey:

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Opti+Jan 4 2005, 11:36 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Opti @ Jan 4 2005, 11:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@Jan 2 2005, 04:15 PM

I do know a program that had and may still have , buried in their TOS , a clause that basically said , "the affiliate ( herin referred to as the affilaite) may be cancelled and all traffic accrued forfeited for any reason whatsoever by the party of the first part"..

Checked..

Yup its still there...

betcha ya can't find it ;-))
Would this line also be in it?

We reserve the right to make adjustments to webmasters paid signups to allow for chargebacks, refunds, high cancellation rates, and suspected fraud

:matey: [/b][/quote]
I think it would be , yes :)

[Opti]

ROFLMAO.. that was my first guess!!

First program to ever can my ass too :))