Traitor!

[Almighty Colin]

Former US Attorney General Ramsey Clark who served under LBJ has joined Saddam Hussein's defense team.

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Originally posted by Colin@Dec 30 2004, 07:14 AM
Former US Attorney General Ramsey Clark who served under LBJ has joined Saddam Hussein's defense team.
I thought Hussein is ENTITLED to the best deffense he can possibly get...

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Dec 30 2004, 07:21 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Dec 30 2004, 07:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Colin@Dec 30 2004, 07:14 AM
Former US Attorney General Ramsey Clark who served under LBJ has joined Saddam Hussein's defense team.
I thought Hussein is ENTITLED to the best deffense he can possibly get... [/b][/quote]
He is, and regardless I think it is unethical for a former US cabinet member to defend Saddam. Simply put, I wouldn't defend Saddam. Would you?

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Originally posted by Colin+Dec 30 2004, 07:40 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin @ Dec 30 2004, 07:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Dec 30 2004, 07:21 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Colin@Dec 30 2004, 07:14 AM
Former US Attorney General Ramsey Clark who served under LBJ has joined Saddam Hussein's defense team.
I thought Hussein is ENTITLED to the best deffense he can possibly get...
He is, and regardless I think it is unethical for a former US cabinet member to defend Saddam. Simply put, I wouldn't defend Saddam. Would you? [/b][/quote]
yes, I would have.....which would result in 10 hours trial and death by a firing squad next morning...and NO appeals!
;)

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Dec 30 2004, 08:36 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Dec 30 2004, 08:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Colin@Dec 30 2004, 07:40 AM
Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Dec 30 2004, 07:21 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Colin@Dec 30 2004, 07:14 AM
Former US Attorney General Ramsey Clark who served under LBJ has joined Saddam Hussein's defense team.
I thought Hussein is ENTITLED to the best deffense he can possibly get...
He is, and regardless I think it is unethical for a former US cabinet member to defend Saddam. Simply put, I wouldn't defend Saddam. Would you?
yes, I would have.....which would result in 10 hours trial and death by a firing squad next morning...and NO appeals!
;) [/b][/quote]
I can dig that. I doubt Clark has motives as noble as yours.

[JoesHO]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Dec 30 2004, 04:21 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Dec 30 2004, 04:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Colin@Dec 30 2004, 07:14 AM
Former US Attorney General Ramsey Clark who served under LBJ has joined Saddam Hussein's defense team.
I thought Hussein is ENTITLED to the best deffense he can possibly get... [/b][/quote]
He is not being tried under US law, so that rule does not apply to our citezens having the duty to protect him, nor do we have to provide the grounds for a trial under our system of duty and regulations.

I agree here, this guy is a traitor

what are the laws on the books in Iraq concerning this?
and if so why not let Iraq provide him with their best defense lawyer if that is an issue.

[grimm]

he has no right to a fair and speedy trial if he is not tried in the US under the Bill of Rights...

however i do not know what the tribunals rules are.

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by grimm@Dec 30 2004, 10:38 AM
he has no right to a fair and speedy trial if he is not tried in the US under the Bill of Rights...

however i do not know what the tribunals rules are.
I looked at it this morning. He has a right to any defense he can put together.

[Lee]

Saddam is absolutely crazy if he thinks an American lawyer is going to work for his best interests.

Especially one that has such close connections to the US political machine.

He would have been better served finding a regular lawyer imho.

[Nickatilynx]

Betcha he dies before a trial.

That would be the "cleanest" end.

What would be the basis of his defence?

I'd go for "illegal act of war on the US's part" yadda yadda..

Might have grounds under international law...

[Lee]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Dec 30 2004, 08:43 AM
Might have grounds under international law...
Under international law he will have grounds to use that defense.

In all honesty though, i dont think that will be of any benefit to him based on the last 15 years media coverage, even if he loses, he will still have the no fair tribunal / trial / hearing defense because lets be honest.. is there anyone in th world ho hasnt heard of the guy?

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Dec 30 2004, 11:43 AM
Might have grounds under international law...
He's being tried under Iraqi law. It's completely rigged.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Colin+Dec 30 2004, 08:57 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin @ Dec 30 2004, 08:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@Dec 30 2004, 11:43 AM
Might have grounds under international law...
He's being tried under Iraqi law. It's completely rigged. [/b][/quote]
Which he wrote?

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Dec 30 2004, 12:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Dec 30 2004, 12:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Colin@Dec 30 2004, 08:57 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@Dec 30 2004, 11:43 AM
Might have grounds under international law...
He's being tried under Iraqi law. It's completely rigged.
Which he wrote? [/b][/quote]
I'm sure there have been some recent additions. Like genocide, "War crimes" and "crimes against humanity".

In addition, there is reference to laws from 1958 and 1970. For example. article 14 of "THE STATUTE OF THE IRAQI SPECIAL TRIBUNAL" states:


The Tribunal shall have the power to prosecute persons who have committed the following crimes under Iraqi law:

a) For those outside the judiciary, the attempt to manipulate the judiciary or involvement in the functions of the judiciary, in violation, inter alia, of the Iraqi interim constitution of 1970, as amended;

B) The wastage of national resources and the squandering of public assets and funds, pursuant to, inter alia, Article 2(g) of Law Number 7 of 1958, as amended; and

c) The abuse of position and the pursuit of policies that may lead to the threat of war or the use of the armed forces of Iraq against an Arab country, in accordance with Article 1 of Law Number 7 of 1958, as amended.

[Nickatilynx]

His argument is gonna be...

"I AM the fucking President. I don't recognise yr authority in this matter.Fuck you!

Oh and Judge....sleep with a light on"

[JoesHO]

speaking of international law, what has happened to Milosivich? is he free? trial still going? did the execute him? anybody know?

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by JoesHO1+Dec 30 2004, 10:33 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JoesHO1 @ Dec 30 2004, 10:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Dec 30 2004, 04:21 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Colin@Dec 30 2004, 07:14 AM
Former US Attorney General Ramsey Clark who served under LBJ has joined Saddam Hussein's defense team.
I thought Hussein is ENTITLED to the best deffense he can possibly get...
He is not being tried under US law, so that rule does not apply to our citezens having the duty to protect him, nor do we have to provide the grounds for a trial under our system of duty and regulations.

I agree here, this guy is a traitor

what are the laws on the books in Iraq concerning this?
and if so why not let Iraq provide him with their best defense lawyer if that is an issue. [/b][/quote]


Joe you are becoming Conservative!!

[*KK*]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Dec 30 2004, 04:21 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Dec 30 2004, 04:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Colin@Dec 30 2004, 07:14 AM
Former US Attorney General Ramsey Clark who served under LBJ has joined Saddam Hussein's defense team.
I thought Hussein is ENTITLED to the best deffense he can possibly get... [/b][/quote]
If he were a US citizen, absolutely, under the US justice system.

Internationally, I guess each country could toss their .02 into the mix for a consensus.

It is an interesting move on Clark's part.

[Pornwolf]

I would hate to be the Iraqi judge trying his case. Saddam still has plenty of supporters in Iraq. P-l-e-n-t-y. :ph34r: