The Skim!

[Nickatilynx]

so...

How does it work these days..

In my old freehost days , we used to "skim" hits , of course.

I created "bannerfree.com" , because..a list with no banners.Awesome!!! hehehehe

No doubt it isn't skimmed though...............now ;-)))

I'd use that traffic as the water to blend in with the meat and noodles from SE and AVS sites.

Back then it was frowned upon. Never got caught of course.

We'd take all aol traffic.

Why? Few if any webhamsters used AOL.

Now I'm told it is totally acceptable practice. You can use the traffic for traffic trades after being filtered round some sponsors etc...


Who wants to educate me and bring me up to 2004/5?

ahahahahahaha first link list owner , TGP owner that says he doesn't skim is due any second....

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by *KK*@Dec 21 2004, 10:42 AM
Bring back MK Stats@!!!!!
ahahahahhaha I remember Snowblind telling me he had no stats at all.......

ooooops... ;-))

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by gigi@Dec 21 2004, 11:24 AM
Why? Few if any webhamsters used AOL.

How long ago was this Nick? Dayam....AOL was a cash cow for tons of web'h'amsters between 99 and 2001.....

If you got in earlier....I envy you....
still is... ;-)))

and 97.

:)

[*KK*]

Bring back MK Stats@!!!!!

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Lee@Dec 21 2004, 11:29 AM
Oh, the one major problem as i see it, and i could be wrong, is that after a couple of 'skims' you are in effect just recycling the same freeloading surfers around and around the same sites again.

Unless you have a way of breaking off the skim and sending them where you want them to go without your trades knowing about it ;)
elaborate please..?


;-)))

[Nickatilynx]

but instead of just "skimming" the traffic generally wouldn't it be better to filter the traffic so that you control what traffic goes where.

ie...

the traffic is comprised...say

Bookmarkers 5%
SEs 2%
Traffic Trades 83%

then by browser..

by Isp , geographical location etc..

so that you can decide where you send the water , the noodles , or the meat?

[gigi]

Why? Few if any webhamsters used AOL.

How long ago was this Nick? Dayam....AOL was a cash cow for tons of web'h'amsters between 99 and 2001.....

If you got in earlier....I envy you....

[Lee]

Isnt the accepted norm to build traffic these days around the 60-70% figure for skims?

Remember seeing that posted somewhere recently.

[Dravyk]

A skim ebook is obviously needed.

[Lee]

Oh, the one major problem as i see it, and i could be wrong, is that after a couple of 'skims' you are in effect just recycling the same freeloading surfers around and around the same sites again.

Unless you have a way of breaking off the skim and sending them where you want them to go without your trades knowing about it ;)

[Lee]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Dec 21 2004, 10:54 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Dec 21 2004, 10:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Lee@Dec 21 2004, 11:29 AM
Oh, the one major problem as i see it, and i could be wrong, is that after a couple of 'skims' you are in effect just recycling the same freeloading surfers around and around the same sites again.

Unless you have a way of breaking off the skim and sending them where you want them to go without your trades knowing about it ;)
elaborate please..?


;-))) [/b][/quote]
Think of the site where you are skimming your traffic as the 'key' to unlock its potential.

You have to maintain a 60% skim in order to keep your highest traffic sending trades going, the othr 40% you have a choice of sending them out to the submitters galleries on your site or, sending them out to alternative sites that YOU own.

Basically as we are putting into practice and testing presently, in order to make any decent amount of residual traffic without using a skim you would need to have trades setup with a minimum of 10 other sites.

10 sites sending traffic to your 'key'
Your 'key' sends 60% of the traffic back to your trades
Your 'key' sends 10% of the traffic to the sites submitted galleries
Your 'key' sends 30% of the traffic to your other [private] 5-10 sites

You always control fully 30% of the traffic, this is the 'good' 30% where you arent fucking around with the surfer by sending them to other trades, etc etc, boomarked freeloaders if you will.

30% of 1k hits each day after a month is a decent amount of traffic to control

;) ;)

[Lee]

Nick yep, most of the half decent trade scripts around atm will allow you to geo filter the traffic.

There are even a couple that will allow you to filter it based on the referring url.

The problem with such a broad sweeping statement.. google, tgp, skimmed is that for some, google traffic converts less than tgp traffic.

If a webhamster doesnt know how to successfully market most types of traffic they find themselves catering their business to the single traffic source they can successfully market to and, more often than not, this is TGP traffic ;)

[gonzo]

Originally posted by *KK*@Dec 21 2004, 01:42 PM
Bring back MK Stats@!!!!!
Bring Back Cash Cow!!!

[Wizzo]

Originally posted by gigi@Dec 21 2004, 02:24 PM
Why? Few if any webhamsters used AOL.

How long ago was this Nick? Dayam....AOL was a cash cow for tons of web'h'amsters between 99 and 2001.....

If you got in earlier....I envy you....
AOL made a few hamsters into Guinea Pigs.... :nyanya:

[*KK*]

Originally posted by gonzo+Dec 21 2004, 12:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gonzo @ Dec 21 2004, 12:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-*KK*@Dec 21 2004, 01:42 PM
Bring back MK Stats@!!!!!
Bring Back Cash Cow!!! [/b][/quote]
And Clickermint will ride again!

[gonzo]

Originally posted by *KK*+Dec 21 2004, 05:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (*KK* @ Dec 21 2004, 05:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by gonzo@Dec 21 2004, 12:59 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-*KK*@Dec 21 2004, 01:42 PM
Bring back MK Stats@!!!!!
Bring Back Cash Cow!!!
And Clickermint will ride again! [/b][/quote]
RAWLIKESUSHI!!!!

[*KK*]

Originally posted by gonzo+Dec 21 2004, 02:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gonzo @ Dec 21 2004, 02:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by *KK*@Dec 21 2004, 05:32 PM
Originally posted by gonzo@Dec 21 2004, 12:59 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-*KK*@Dec 21 2004, 01:42 PM
Bring back MK Stats@!!!!!
Bring Back Cash Cow!!!
And Clickermint will ride again!
RAWLIKESUSHI!!!! [/b][/quote]
Hot damn, Jason Reiver's finally going to give away that Corvette!

[SykkBoy]

Originally posted by gonzo+Dec 21 2004, 05:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gonzo @ Dec 21 2004, 05:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by *KK*@Dec 21 2004, 05:32 PM
Originally posted by gonzo@Dec 21 2004, 12:59 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-*KK*@Dec 21 2004, 01:42 PM
Bring back MK Stats@!!!!!
Bring Back Cash Cow!!!
And Clickermint will ride again!
RAWLIKESUSHI!!!! [/b][/quote]
it's all about clublove........

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Moose+Dec 21 2004, 03:23 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Moose @ Dec 21 2004, 03:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by SykkBoy@Dec 21 2004, 05:41 PM
Originally posted by gonzo@Dec 21 2004, 05:33 PM
Originally posted by *KK*@Dec 21 2004, 05:32 PM
Originally posted by gonzo@Dec 21 2004, 12:59 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-*KK*@Dec 21 2004, 01:42 PM
Bring back MK Stats@!!!!!
Bring Back Cash Cow!!!
And Clickermint will ride again!
RAWLIKESUSHI!!!!
it's all about clublove........
Trafficinc!

when that went away is when this webmastering shit turned into a job!

Even nick taking his "one for me one for you" deal :biglaugh: :biglaugh: [/b][/quote]
DAMN!!!

A satisfied Trafficinc webmaster!!!

Those are rarer than rocking horse shit!!!!!

;-))))




( Note to self : next time shave Mosse harder)

[Nickatilynx]

Most people DID get paid , and well.



...in the end :)

[Moose]

Originally posted by SykkBoy+Dec 21 2004, 05:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SykkBoy @ Dec 21 2004, 05:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by gonzo@Dec 21 2004, 05:33 PM
Originally posted by *KK*@Dec 21 2004, 05:32 PM
Originally posted by gonzo@Dec 21 2004, 12:59 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-*KK*@Dec 21 2004, 01:42 PM
Bring back MK Stats@!!!!!
Bring Back Cash Cow!!!
And Clickermint will ride again!
RAWLIKESUSHI!!!!
it's all about clublove........ [/b][/quote]
Trafficinc!

when that went away is when this webmastering shit turned into a job!

Even nick taking his "one for me one for you" deal :biglaugh: :biglaugh:

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Weg Cory+Dec 21 2004, 04:01 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Weg Cory @ Dec 21 2004, 04:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by SykkBoy@Dec 21 2004, 03:58 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Weg Cory@Dec 21 2004, 06:54 PM
Most of the trade scripts are capable of rating the traffic and fluctuating the trade based on that. Running sites based on skim or trades is a very tedious business and I am inclined to think that by the time it gets figured out fully, it will not be viable. That energy could have been focused on more viable avenues of traffic sources.

Of course, I could be very naive. And of course, maybe I did not read the entire thread, once again.

Just my 2 cents nevertheless.
just keep circliung your own traffic back and forth along with your trades and then once those numbers are well puffed up, sell gallery spots for a flat rate
;-))
You are correct. No doubt my friend.

I could say so much here, but I will stay silent :)

Am I going to see you again in Vegas? [/b][/quote]
Now yr talking!!!

Go on...be a devil....

;-)))

Why hold your tongue?

What are you infering?


;-))

[Moose]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Dec 21 2004, 05:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Dec 21 2004, 05:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Moose@Dec 21 2004, 03:23 PM
Originally posted by SykkBoy@Dec 21 2004, 05:41 PM
Originally posted by gonzo@Dec 21 2004, 05:33 PM
Originally posted by *KK*@Dec 21 2004, 05:32 PM
Originally posted by gonzo@Dec 21 2004, 12:59 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-*KK*@Dec 21 2004, 01:42 PM
Bring back MK Stats@!!!!!
Bring Back Cash Cow!!!
And Clickermint will ride again!
RAWLIKESUSHI!!!!
it's all about clublove........
Trafficinc!

when that went away is when this webmastering shit turned into a job!

Even nick taking his "one for me one for you" deal :biglaugh: :biglaugh:
DAMN!!!

A satisfied Trafficinc webmaster!!!

Those are rarer than rocking horse shit!!!!!

;-))))




( Note to self : next time shave Mosse harder) [/b][/quote]
Hey I got paid... wtf do I care :)

[Weg Cory]

Most of the trade scripts are capable of rating the traffic and fluctuating the trade based on that. Running sites based on skim or trades is a very tedious business and I am inclined to think that by the time it gets figured out fully, it will not be viable. That energy could have been focused on more viable avenues of traffic sources.

Of course, I could be very naive. And of course, maybe I did not read the entire thread, once again.

Just my 2 cents nevertheless.

[SykkBoy]

Originally posted by Weg Cory@Dec 21 2004, 06:54 PM
Most of the trade scripts are capable of rating the traffic and fluctuating the trade based on that. Running sites based on skim or trades is a very tedious business and I am inclined to think that by the time it gets figured out fully, it will not be viable. That energy could have been focused on more viable avenues of traffic sources.

Of course, I could be very naive. And of course, maybe I did not read the entire thread, once again.

Just my 2 cents nevertheless.
just keep circliung your own traffic back and forth along with your trades and then once those numbers are well puffed up, sell gallery spots for a flat rate
;-))

[Weg Cory]

Originally posted by SykkBoy+Dec 21 2004, 03:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SykkBoy @ Dec 21 2004, 03:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Weg Cory@Dec 21 2004, 06:54 PM
Most of the trade scripts are capable of rating the traffic and fluctuating the trade based on that. Running sites based on skim or trades is a very tedious business and I am inclined to think that by the time it gets figured out fully, it will not be viable. That energy could have been focused on more viable avenues of traffic sources.

Of course, I could be very naive. And of course, maybe I did not read the entire thread, once again.

Just my 2 cents nevertheless.
just keep circliung your own traffic back and forth along with your trades and then once those numbers are well puffed up, sell gallery spots for a flat rate
;-)) [/b][/quote]
You are correct. No doubt my friend.

I could say so much here, but I will stay silent :)

Am I going to see you again in Vegas?

[SykkBoy]

Originally posted by Weg Cory+Dec 21 2004, 07:01 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Weg Cory @ Dec 21 2004, 07:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by SykkBoy@Dec 21 2004, 03:58 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Weg Cory@Dec 21 2004, 06:54 PM
Most of the trade scripts are capable of rating the traffic and fluctuating the trade based on that. Running sites based on skim or trades is a very tedious business and I am inclined to think that by the time it gets figured out fully, it will not be viable. That energy could have been focused on more viable avenues of traffic sources.

Of course, I could be very naive. And of course, maybe I did not read the entire thread, once again.

Just my 2 cents nevertheless.
just keep circliung your own traffic back and forth along with your trades and then once those numbers are well puffed up, sell gallery spots for a flat rate
;-))
You are correct. No doubt my friend.

I could say so much here, but I will stay silent :)

Am I going to see you again in Vegas? [/b][/quote]
it's happening with a lot of...ahem...big TGP's right now

of course, but no trips to Tijuanna this time ;-)

[Weg Cory]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Dec 21 2004, 03:29 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Dec 21 2004, 03:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Weg Cory@Dec 21 2004, 04:01 PM
Originally posted by SykkBoy@Dec 21 2004, 03:58 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Weg Cory@Dec 21 2004, 06:54 PM
Most of the trade scripts are capable of rating the traffic and fluctuating the trade based on that. Running sites based on skim or trades is a very tedious business and I am inclined to think that by the time it gets figured out fully, it will not be viable. That energy could have been focused on more viable avenues of traffic sources.

Of course, I could be very naive. And of course, maybe I did not read the entire thread, once again.

Just my 2 cents nevertheless.
just keep circliung your own traffic back and forth along with your trades and then once those numbers are well puffed up, sell gallery spots for a flat rate
;-))
You are correct. No doubt my friend.

I could say so much here, but I will stay silent :)

Am I going to see you again in Vegas?
Now yr talking!!!

Go on...be a devil....

;-)))

Why hold your tongue?

What are you infering?


;-)) [/b][/quote]
I was more heavily involved in some of this than anyone really knows. I need to have a smoke and battle the LA freeways, I will say more tonight.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Dravyk+Dec 21 2004, 06:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Dravyk @ Dec 21 2004, 06:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@Dec 21 2004, 05:46 PM
Most people DID get paid , and well.

...in the end :)
Netpond Clicks! :ph34r:

Kaiser never did pay me on my last $250 check! No joke!

Nearly forgot about that one. <_< [/b][/quote]
Go find him at adtech. :)

Cause I paid every webmaster all the money for that shit.

Otherwise trafficinc wouldn't of come into being. :)

The moneys were paid to him then , from memory , then he was suppsed to take 0.25 cents per click for himself and pay on..

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Dravyk@Dec 21 2004, 06:36 PM
I know you paid.
(wipes a tear)

I don't think anyone has every said that on a board anyway.

Thanks Dravyk. :)



;-)))

[Dravyk]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Dec 21 2004, 05:46 PM
Most people DID get paid , and well.

...in the end :)
Netpond Clicks! :ph34r:

Kaiser never did pay me on my last $250 check! No joke!

Nearly forgot about that one. <_<

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Dravyk+Dec 21 2004, 06:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Dravyk @ Dec 21 2004, 06:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by *KK*@Dec 21 2004, 09:53 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@Dec 21 2004, 05:44 PM
Go find him at adtech. :)

Cause I paid every webmaster all the money for that shit.

Otherwise trafficinc wouldn't of come into being. :)

The moneys were paid to him then , from memory , then he was suppsed to take 0.25 cents per click for himself and pay on..
Perhaps he thought you meant 25 cents per click.
Yeah, probably some of the hair dye rubbed off onto the monitor and he thought it was a decimal point. [/b][/quote]
Hmmm is that possible....

nope...

He plain and simple stole it.

Someone really should advise adtech what they have got themselves into. ;-))

[Dravyk]

I know you paid. That's why I made a point to mention Kaiser. Da fucker! :(

[gigi]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Dec 21 2004, 10:39 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Dec 21 2004, 10:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-gigi@Dec 21 2004, 11:24 AM
Why? Few if any webhamsters used AOL.

How long ago was this Nick? Dayam....AOL was a cash cow for tons of web'h'amsters between 99 and 2001.....

If you got in earlier....I envy you....
still is... ;-)))

and 97.

:) [/b][/quote]
shshshsh, we don't need everyone to know that. ;)

[gigi]

Originally posted by Wizzo+Dec 21 2004, 01:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Wizzo @ Dec 21 2004, 01:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-gigi@Dec 21 2004, 02:24 PM
Why? Few if any webhamsters used AOL.

How long ago was this Nick? Dayam....AOL was a cash cow for tons of web'h'amsters between 99 and 2001.....

If you got in earlier....I envy you....
AOL made a few hamsters into Guinea Pigs.... :nyanya: [/b][/quote]
:biglaugh:

[Dravyk]

Now I am going to be blamed for hell freezing over! :(

[*KK*]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Dec 21 2004, 05:44 PM
Go find him at adtech. :)

Cause I paid every webmaster all the money for that shit.

Otherwise trafficinc wouldn't of come into being. :)

The moneys were paid to him then , from memory , then he was suppsed to take 0.25 cents per click for himself and pay on..
Perhaps he thought you meant 25 cents per click.

[Dravyk]

Originally posted by *KK*+Dec 21 2004, 09:53 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (*KK* @ Dec 21 2004, 09:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@Dec 21 2004, 05:44 PM
Go find him at adtech. :)

Cause I paid every webmaster all the money for that shit.

Otherwise trafficinc wouldn't of come into being. :)

The moneys were paid to him then , from memory , then he was suppsed to take 0.25 cents per click for himself and pay on..
Perhaps he thought you meant 25 cents per click.[/b][/quote]
Yeah, probably some of the hair dye rubbed off onto the monitor and he thought it was a decimal point.

[Pornwolf]

"The water to my noodles and meat."

LOL! Great comparison nick! :D

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Pornwolf@Dec 21 2004, 11:13 PM
"The water to my noodles and meat."

LOL! Great comparison nick! :D
a lesson I got from Serge once..

:)

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Weg Cory+Dec 21 2004, 04:01 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Weg Cory @ Dec 21 2004, 04:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by SykkBoy@Dec 21 2004, 03:58 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Weg Cory@Dec 21 2004, 06:54 PM
Most of the trade scripts are capable of rating the traffic and fluctuating the trade based on that. Running sites based on skim or trades is a very tedious business and I am inclined to think that by the time it gets figured out fully, it will not be viable. That energy could have been focused on more viable avenues of traffic sources.

Of course, I could be very naive. And of course, maybe I did not read the entire thread, once again.

Just my 2 cents nevertheless.
just keep circliung your own traffic back and forth along with your trades and then once those numbers are well puffed up, sell gallery spots for a flat rate
;-))
You are correct. No doubt my friend.

I could say so much here, but I will stay silent :)

Am I going to see you again in Vegas? [/b][/quote]
WegCory...


No prickteasing!!!!!


C'mon Spill !!!! ;-)))


You may change the names , and speak hypothetically...


;-)))

But none of this
"How do you keep an idiot in suspense?"
"I'll tell ya later"
shit!! ;-)))

meat caught me with that once... lol