who here plays craps?

[Biggy]

First time playing yesterday down in Atlantic City at the Borgata...

One thing I learned was I'm a terrible roller :)
But this one guy was rolling it for 45 minutes straight, everyone smart made a lot of money. So who else here plays craps, and what are your strategies?

I personally love playing 5 and 9, and a hard number if the point is even. after how many rolls will you start covering the board?

[grimm]

set (win money)

if and only if (win money) = null


enter function <go play blackjack>

;)

[pushpills]

always wipe upwards and downwards.

[TheEnforcer]

POlay the pass line with full odds. Play the 6 and 8 and if one is the point the 5 or the 9. If the size of your bankroll can afford it you can play the 5 and 9 as well. Place come bets at leats once during a rol, if not more depending on the size of your bankrool. Unless you get on a roll like that 45 minute roll stay away from stuff like hardways and other bad bets.

[TheEnforcer]

Woo hoo!! Typos galore!! LOL

*Note to self- wake up first before posting!!

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by TheEnforcer@Nov 27 2004, 09:21 AM
POlay the pass line with full odds. Play the 6 and 8 and if one is the point the 5 or the 9. If the size of your bankroll can afford it you can play the 5 and 9 as well. Place come bets at leats once during a rol, if not more depending on the size of your bankrool. Unless you get on a roll like that 45 minute roll stay away from stuff like hardways and other bad bets.
Nigga What!!!!!

ahahahahaha

Didn't understand one word of that...

But watched Dave Chappelle's World Series of Dice last night.

ok...back to playing poker..

brb :)

[Biggy]

Originally posted by TheEnforcer@Nov 27 2004, 09:21 AM
POlay the pass line with full odds. Play the 6 and 8 and if one is the point the 5 or the 9. If the size of your bankroll can afford it you can play the 5 and 9 as well. Place come bets at leats once during a rol, if not more depending on the size of your bankrool. Unless you get on a roll like that 45 minute roll stay away from stuff like hardways and other bad bets.
How many rolls will you wait until you start covering the easy #s? :)

Thats where my gray area still stands.. I waited a little longer than most of the players on that big 45 minute roll, but I eventually caught up and pressed it nicely.

No one wants to cover the board to then crap out :)

You wait until the roller has rolled - 3,4,5 numbers?

[TheEnforcer]

I generally wait until the shooter has made 4 or 5 numbers and then I will play the entire numbers from 4 to 10 and press them at least one unit and then run with it from there and make some more agressive betting. Take into consideration how much you made off of those rolls to though. If, for example the shooter makes his point right away and you've only made money off of your pass line and odds you might wait another roll or two, if he's made you a ton of money on your 6's and 8's and 5 or 9 if you have one/both as well as making the point you might only wait 3 pass line wins before pressing and more agressive betting.

[Biggy]

Originally posted by TheEnforcer@Nov 27 2004, 11:15 AM
I generally wait until the shooter has made 4 or 5 numbers and then I will play the entire numbers from 4 to 10 and press them at least one unit and then run with it from there and make some more agressive betting. Take into consideration how much you made off of those rolls to though. If, for example the shooter makes his point right away and you've only made money off of your pass line and odds you might wait another roll or two, if he's made you a ton of money on your 6's and 8's and 5 or 9 if you have one/both as well as making the point you might only wait 3 pass line wins before pressing and more agressive betting.
interesting - i like your thought process :)

do you normally win :unsure:

[TheEnforcer]

Yes, when playing craps I normally do win. I used to work in the casino business for years and made a lot of money at the craps table. You HAVE to have a decent bankroll to play craps and preferably play at a time when you can easily leave and come back to the table. You need a MINIMUM of $500 to play craps. Any less and you are wasting your time. With that minimum bankroll you should be buying in at $100 increments and playing with one unit on everything other than your odds. You need a big enough bankroll to be able to walk away several times if you have to and come back and hopefully catch that good roll and ride it. Walking away is like avoiding going on tilt in poker because you can cool down and avoid the "chase" mentality that makes you bet foolishly and accelareate your losses.

[Biggy]

Thanks for the tips ;)

The one thing I definitely learned is that the way to make money is to cover most of the board and hope someone has a great roll :) I guess you need to have a good feel also for whose a good roller.

Yesterday i had big money on 6,8, and 9 while the 5 was the point. My pass line bet was also similar to what was on the numbers. THe guy definitely did nail down a 4 or 10 maybe about 8 times during his roll which I didn't cash in on. It was my first time. The one thing I wasn't sure about was when to start covering the numbers. If the point was a 5 or 9, i usually covered the other since I like those numbers. I definitely remember waiting a couple of rolls, covering 3 numbers, to then crap out on the next roll :) You going to be in vegas?

[TheEnforcer]

Right now I don't have any plans on being in Vags but you never know.

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by TheEnforcer@Nov 27 2004, 12:21 PM
POlay the pass line with full odds. Play the 6 and 8 and if one is the point the 5 or the 9. If the size of your bankroll can afford it you can play the 5 and 9 as well. Place come bets at leats once during a rol, if not more depending on the size of your bankrool. Unless you get on a roll like that 45 minute roll stay away from stuff like hardways and other bad bets.


This is probably the best and most common strategy. The problem with it is you need to have patience. Actually the secret to most casino games is patience.

It is something I am working on.... I try to start slow with craps, but I ten to start putting money on all the numbers - especially BUYing 4s and 10s - great return!

[grimm]

Originally posted by Biggy+Nov 27 2004, 09:26 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Biggy @ Nov 27 2004, 09:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-TheEnforcer@Nov 27 2004, 09:21 AM
POlay the pass line with full odds. Play the 6 and 8 and if one is the point the 5 or the 9. If the size of your bankroll can afford it you can play the 5 and 9 as well. Place come bets at leats once during a rol, if not more depending on the size of your bankrool. Unless you get on a roll like that 45 minute roll stay away from stuff like hardways and other bad bets.
How many rolls will you wait until you start covering the easy #s? :)

Thats where my gray area still stands.. I waited a little longer than most of the players on that big 45 minute roll, but I eventually caught up and pressed it nicely.

No one wants to cover the board to then crap out :)

You wait until the roller has rolled - 3,4,5 numbers? [/b][/quote]
rule of thumb in any casino game. try to play with the casinos money, and take advantage of smart odds bets.

so as soon as you collect what you lay down initially. then start gambling.

just like blackjack, you win the first hand, double up, win the next one take, and now your money is not on the table. then you hope you hit a run. ratchet up one unit for every winning hand in a row. do this consistantly and you will make up for your lost hands with good runs of high stacks. it is all dependent on the size of your roll. if you hit a b,ad run of cards long enough to change your mood. get up and go get something to eat. your mood at the table will effect your play, try to remain even keel, euphoria or depression will change the consistaqncy of your play.

i play quick hitter, i go in, put down my money, if i lowse it or double it I walk. 5 minutes or 6 hours. time is your enemy in any casino game:)

[Ritzzer]

Craps is a great game when the dice are rolling your way :D

One thing I like to do is to play at the casinos where they give you the highest odds with the lowest passlines. For example, the Casino Royale right next to Venetian offers $2 dollar tables with 100 times odds. I dont bet full odds all the time(hardly ever) but its nice to be able to work up to full odds. I rather put $2 on the line and $20 odds, then to have to start out with $25 on the odds and only be able to put $50 on the odds.

I see you went to the Borgata. I like it there too, but if you want to try out a different game, check out the Taj, they just put in 20x times odds tables in with a minimum of a $10 table.

See you at the Borgata, and make sure you get your Borgata dollars! :agrin:

[Ritzzer]

And with the lower passlines, and higher odds, you are able to place more come bets which is a BEAUTIFUL thing when playing craps. Its nice to have all the come bets covered when you catch a nice roll!

The bottom line to all of this, is you gotta catch good rolls and you know that its easier to catch a good cold up here in the cold.

[Vick]

We all know the odds are ALWAYS in favor of the house
No matter the game, no matter the place
That's part of why and how those beautiful casinos get built

Oh and just for fun
Don't be afraid to play the don't come line at craps
Fuck anyone who thinks your nasty for betting against the shooter

Almost everyone who plays in the long run going to lose

The losers always outnumber the winners, but you'll always hear more about the winners

If you like the action and feel from playing that's fine, but the mathematical odds are you are going to lose


You can go in and try to play with the casino's money but what if you don't win the first few hands, rounds or whatever

Walk through a casino and check out the slot players
How come very few, if any of them are ever smiling?

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Vick@Nov 27 2004, 08:14 PM
We all know the odds are ALWAYS in favor of the house
No matter the game, no matter the place
That's part of why and how those beautiful casinos get built

Oh and just for fun
Don't be afraid to play the don't come line at craps
Fuck anyone who thinks your nasty for betting against the shooter

Almost everyone who plays in the long run going to lose

The losers always outnumber the winners, but you'll always hear more about the winners

If you like the action and feel from playing that's fine, but the mathematical odds are you are going to lose


You can go in and try to play with the casino's money but what if you don't win the first few hands, rounds or whatever

Walk through a casino and check out the slot players
How come very few, if any of them are ever smiling?
lee noga and other bewildered women on the boards truly believe they make money at slots...


;-))

[Evil Chris]

I love watching people play craps...

Esp at a table where all the right lingo is being used by both the croups and the players. It's exciting to watch.

I've only played a couple of times. I'm not entirely confident at playing yet. Maybe I'll give it another go during Internext this January.

[Nickatilynx]

I was walking into a casino on a liner once and a guy I'd become friends with ,yelled at me to come over to the craps table where he was playing.

He spread like 1000 around the table threw the dice and won.

I said "great you can teach me how to play"

He chugged his scotch turned to me and said "I haven't a fucking clue what I'm doing"

I have never learned to play...

seems very errr loud.....;-)))


Poker is the best game...you are playing against others rather than the house.The house just charges you for the chair.

;-))

[Evil Chris]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Nov 28 2004, 12:28 AM
Poker is the best game...you are playing against others rather than the house.The house just charges you for the chair.

;-))
The rent on those chairs can really get up there... <_<

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Evil Chris+Nov 27 2004, 08:30 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Evil Chris @ Nov 27 2004, 08:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@Nov 28 2004, 12:28 AM
Poker is the best game...you are playing against others rather than the house.The house just charges you for the chair.

;-))
The rent on those chairs can really get up there... <_< [/b][/quote]
First sizeable $ poker tourny I entered , I won.

worse fucking thing that ever happened to me...


;-)))

[TheEnforcer]

Originally posted by Mike AI+Nov 27 2004, 07:28 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mike AI @ Nov 27 2004, 07:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-TheEnforcer@Nov 27 2004, 12:21 PM
POlay the pass line with full odds. Play the 6 and 8 and if one is the point the 5 or the 9. If the size of your bankroll can afford it you can play the 5 and 9 as well. Place come bets at leats once during a rol, if not more depending on the size of your bankrool. Unless you get on a roll like that 45 minute roll stay away from stuff like hardways and other bad bets.


This is probably the best and most common strategy. The problem with it is you need to have patience. Actually the secret to most casino games is patience.

It is something I am working on.... I try to start slow with craps, but I ten to start putting money on all the numbers - especially BUYing 4s and 10s - great return! [/b][/quote]
Yup. Patience is the key.

[TheEnforcer]

Originally posted by Vick@Nov 27 2004, 11:14 PM

Oh and just for fun
Don't be afraid to play the don't come line at craps
Fuck anyone who thinks your nasty for betting against the shooter


So true...... but so few players are ever willing to play the don't side.

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Biggy@Nov 27 2004, 11:55 AM
First time playing yesterday down in Atlantic City at the Borgata...

One thing I learned was I'm a terrible roller :)
But this one guy was rolling it for 45 minutes straight, everyone smart made a lot of money. So who else here plays craps, and what are your strategies?

I personally love playing 5 and 9, and a hard number if the point is even. after how many rolls will you start covering the board?
The casino hired that guy and gave him rigged dice. It's a setup. ;-)

[Mike AI]

Craps is a fun SOCIAL game. If you have a bnuch of friends and take over a table, a great time can be had by all - even if losing money.

It is a game in which cheering, and pulling for each other go hand in hand. I have had many good times at a crap table with friends.

Normally if I gamble, I play blackjack.

I do not understand the people who play slots religiously - my parents are part of this group. I tried to explain that they are all controled by computers and the casino. That if they like the sounds and pretty graphics I would buy them an computer game.

The wierd thing is, my parents normally always come home with money.... So they really do not pay much attention to me! :lol:

[grimm]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Nov 27 2004, 08:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Nov 27 2004, 08:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Vick@Nov 27 2004, 08:14 PM
We all know the odds are ALWAYS in favor of the house
No matter the game, no matter the place
That's part of why and how those beautiful casinos get built

Oh and just for fun
Don't be afraid to play the don't come line at craps
Fuck anyone who thinks your nasty for betting against the shooter

Almost everyone who plays in the long run going to lose

The losers always outnumber the winners, but you'll always hear more about the winners

If you like the action and feel from playing that's fine, but the mathematical odds are you are going to lose


You can go in and try to play with the casino's money but what if you don't win the first few hands, rounds or whatever

Walk through a casino and check out the slot players
How come very few, if any of them are ever smiling?
lee noga and other bewildered women on the boards truly believe they make money at slots...


;-)) [/b][/quote]
they also wear tinfoil hats, and think the sky is falling. and dress likel michael jackson combined with elton john;)

[Hell Puppy]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Nov 28 2004, 10:04 AM
Craps is a fun SOCIAL game. If you have a bnuch of friends and take over a table, a great time can be had by all - even if losing money.

It is a game in which cheering, and pulling for each other go hand in hand. I have had many good times at a crap table with friends.

Normally if I gamble, I play blackjack.

I do not understand the people who play slots religiously - my parents are part of this group. I tried to explain that they are all controled by computers and the casino. That if they like the sounds and pretty graphics I would buy them an computer game.

The wierd thing is, my parents normally always come home with money.... So they really do not pay much attention to me! :lol:
Slots are how the casinos make their money these days. Some people have very Pavlovian reactions to them....like a rat after a food pellet.

You're exactly right about Craps, probably the closest thing to a team game in a casino. Problem with craps is you can lose money very fast. I dont mind losing money in a casino, it's just the price of entertainment. However, I'd prefer to lose it slowly.

I generally stick with Blackjack or Pai Gow Poker.

Pai Gow Poker is a great game for just sitting, drinking and socializing a bit. The pace is MUCH slower than most of the other card games. And typically 3 hands out of 4 will result in a push, which means you lose money slowly.

[TheEnforcer]

Pai Gow Poker ROCKS! Hell, you could buy in for $50 and play all night barring some really bad luck.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by TheEnforcer@Nov 28 2004, 02:25 PM
Pai Gow Poker ROCKS! Hell, you could buy in for $50 and play all night barring some really bad luck.
again never played it...

I thought the oddswere lousy?

[gonzo]

Rumor has it that December 1st.... Oprano takes another stab at gaming too....

[Hell Puppy]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Nov 28 2004, 06:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Nov 28 2004, 06:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-TheEnforcer@Nov 28 2004, 02:25 PM
Pai Gow Poker ROCKS! Hell, you could buy in for $50 and play all night barring some really bad luck.
again never played it...

I thought the oddswere lousy? [/b][/quote]
Odds are tough to compute on Pai Gow. First off, there's a 5% commission on winning hands. That's how the casino makes it worthwhile for themselves despite all the pushes.

Also, the player has the option to "bank"...basically you can be the house. When playing as a normal player, house edge is around 2.5%. If you opt to bank, the house edge is essentially 0%. Of course the downside to banking is you need to be have sufficient bankroll in front of you to cover every bet on the table. This can get...uhm...exciting if you're playing $25 or $100 and someone else at the table is playing $1000 a hand. If he loses, you get his $1000....if he wins, you gotta pay him.

Most casinos restrict how often you can be the bank, typically they go around the table and offer it to a different player each hand, so at a full table you can bank 1 out of 6 hands.

But the beauty of the game is the pace. You have to either win or lose both hands otherwise it's a push. So about 3/4 hands push. On top of that, with the joker in play, Pai Gow hands can take a few seconds to study and set even for an experienced player. So if the table is full even with a good dealer, they'll only deal maybe 45-50 hands an hour....less if you have an inexperienced player or two at the table.