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TheEnforcer
11-20-2004, 01:17 PM
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/1119/p07s01-woap.html?s=hns

Where's the water, mate?

Sydney and other Australian cities could run dry by 2006.

By Janaki Kremmer | Correspondent of The Christian Science Monitor

SYDNEY, AUSTRALIA – In the town of Goulburn, three hours south of Sydney, nightly baths are a thing of the past. Dishes are allowed to pile up. Hoses no longer douse dirty cars and thirsty plants.
The 22,000 people in town haven't suddenly grown slovenly. A change in habits is being forced by a dry spell stretching back to the 1970s that is squeezing Australia.

To conserve, dishwashing is done in batches, plants are watered with runoff from showers, and cars are cleaned with gray water from washing machines.

Barring monsoon-like rains, such adjustments will need to happen on a massive scale if Australia's biggest cities - including Sydney, Melbourne, Canberra, and Adelaide - hope to continue having drinking water in just two years' time, experts say.

"Too long we have been living like we might live in Europe and not in accordance with dry climate conditions," says Leigh Martin of the Total Environment Center in Sydney. "Most people who balk at reusing sewage water should be educated about recycling."

Australia is not only the driest inhabited continent on earth, but also the greatest consumer of water per capita, according to savewater.com.au. Australians use more than 260,000 gallons of fresh water per person per year, or 24,000 gigaliters - that's enough to fill Sydney harbor, 48 times over. About 70 percent goes to agricultural irrigation, 9 percent to other rural uses, 9 percent to industry, and 12 percent to domestic use.

The outlook is ominous: The Warragamba dam that supplies 80 percent of the water to Sydney and was last full in 1998, wavers around 39 percent, despite some good spring rain this year.

Not so long ago, the effects of drought were felt mostly by farmers and bush-dwellers, but now it has come to the backyards of city folk, emptying their swimming pools and drying up their roses.

The water manager in Goulburn says that his town may be out of water by August 2005. "Many gardens are dying, and this year only one public swimming pool will be opened using last year's water," says Matthew O'Rourke. He says that if push comes to shove, they may consider trucking water in from other towns.

Many cities in the country are now considering recycling on a large scale.

Perth is already moving to desalinate sea water, even though it would bring enormous environmental consequences. While desalination plants are not rain dependent and can be built quickly, they use large amounts of power and contribute significantly to greenhouse gases.

This is not good news for Australia, says Penny Whetto, an atmospheric scientist with the Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization, who says that with temperatures around the country expected to rise by 6 degrees Centigrade by 2070, something radical is required to control warming.

The water shortage may force changes in agriculture.

Experts believe that in 17 years the Murray River will be too salty to drink. The Murray is one of the country's foremost river systems, responsible, along with the Darling River, for irrigating 40 percent of the country's crops. The growing of European-style crops is one of the main reasons for the degradation of the fresh water, experts say. The large amounts of irrigation that run into the ground dissolve the salt below into runoff.

There are urgent plans to top up Sydney's dams from the Shoalhaven River via a new $195 million pipeline as part of the state government's plan to meet the city's water needs for the next 25 years. However this will depend on rainfall, and the pipeline is not going to be built until 2009. And environmentalists say taking water from the river could destroy sensitive ecosystems.

Other plans include pumping the deep water of the Avon and Warragamba dams. This will be finished by 2006 and is expected to boost drinking water by 5 percent.

One of the biggest issues, according to some researchers, is population growth.

In a 2002 essay, environmentalist Tim Flannery says that Australians could live sustainably today if the population totaled 8 million people (rather than the present 20 million). He is calling for tighter immigration controls.

But Paul Perkins, the chairman of the National Environment Education Council, says that if Australia does not take the thousands of immigrants who apply every year then someone else will, "and that will be Australia's loss."

"We have incredible land masses to be shared and that's what it all comes down to - sharing resources - just as Northern China has learned to live with much less water, so can we, and without reducing quality of life. And for this, a concerted national water initiative is required," says Mr. Perkins.

The federal government has announced that it will release $1.5 billion to help alleviate the growing crisis. It has also established a national water commission to oversee future water projects.
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Is this a problem in your folks area or is it an over exaggeration of the problem?

Nickatilynx
11-20-2004, 01:20 PM
I have the solution!!!





Fosters!!! .............Australian for "Gnats piss".





;-)))

cj
11-20-2004, 06:55 PM
Is this a problem in your folks area or is it an over exaggeration of the problem?
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TE, Its an article written by the media, of course its an exaggeration!!!

Australia is a big place - almost as big as USA.

http://go.hrw.com/atlas/norm_htm/world.htm

http://go.hrw.com/atlas/norm_map/world.gif

We've had problems with droughts ever since I remember, but something they neglect to mention ...

>>>>About 70 percent goes to agricultural irrigation, 9 percent to other rural uses, 9 percent to industry

That's 88% of water has to be purchased from the government, and/or has a commercial value associated ... 70% goes to watering the crops we export to the rest of the world. The money exists to fix the problem, and technology already exists to turn salt water into fresh water ... I'm sure if the water shortage starts to effect us economically that the 'magic solution' will be found.

Besides we drink filtered water, that's often imported from other countries - i wouldn't drink poisonous tap water anyway ....

Nick, if only we could train our plants to drink fosters :biglaugh:

Lisa
11-20-2004, 07:51 PM
TE, it's pretty much as CJ said...

Tho I've heard of plenty of people planning their holidays/weddings etc in 'catchment areas', cos it seems that no matter how much rain we DO get...it never seems to land in those 'catchment areas' where it might do us any good. :rolleyes: :P

Hell Puppy
11-20-2004, 08:16 PM
Tree huggers amaze me.

Here in the U.S. it is illegal to sell a new toilet that has larger than a 3.5 gallon tank, the so called "low flow" toilets. We live on a planet that is two thirds water and they dont want us to have enough water to flush a good steak dinner.

And the result? Instead of one good 5 gallon flush, you flush the low flow 4-5 times til the last nuggets finally give it up.

cj
11-20-2004, 08:28 PM
LMAO @ HP

At least you guys have flushable toilets - we still use buckets and shovels :rolleyes:

:biglaugh:

sarettah
11-20-2004, 10:13 PM
Time for someone to go lasso a couple of icebergs and park them in Sydney Harbor.... :okthumb:

XXX Reject - Ac
11-21-2004, 04:58 AM
id be more concerned for the major inland american cities RE water shortages.. 99% of australians live on the coast and like everyone has said this is an exaggerated problem that effects the inland farming communities (ie ~1%-5% of the pop.) to a much greater extent than the urban centers. The urban centers abide by water restrictions during summer to cover mainly for the agricultural areas..major US cities in Texas are draining the table water supplies at a rate that will leave them depleted in about 40 years..and supplying a large city like that with water just isnt viable...im no tree hugging hippy but from a commercial point of view real estate in large inland cities in America seems to be a poor investment in the long term. i would suggest that they will be abandoned or severly downsized by the time you pay off your morgage (if you have one)...either that or something else bad will happen..
my negative 2 cents

sarettah
11-21-2004, 09:21 AM
Yeah, but if our cities are running out of water we'll just go invade somewhere that has plenty... Like some of the South American countries (they don't use the amazon near enough) or Canada (they got all them lakes and all that ice up north) and we'll pipe it in.... :yowsa:

TheEnforcer
11-21-2004, 02:01 PM
Knew I could get the straight scoop from you two beautiful and intelligent ladies!! :okthumb:

Nickatilynx
11-21-2004, 02:08 PM
Originally posted by TheEnforcer@Nov 21 2004, 11:02 AM
Knew I could get the straight scoop from you two beautiful and intelligent ladies!! :okthumb:
:barfon:

kiss ass


;-)))

Opti
11-21-2004, 02:19 PM
Australia is not only the driest inhabited continent on earth, but also the greatest consumer of water per capita
Can't call us un-washed at least :)

Yug
11-21-2004, 05:57 PM
Originally posted by Opti@Nov 21 2004, 11:20 AM
Australia is not only the driest inhabited continent on earth, but also the greatest consumer of water per capita
It's because we drink so much water 'the morning after' to try and cure the damn throbbing in our heads from drinking too much beer ...

Lisa
11-21-2004, 06:38 PM
Actually Yug I was curious if anyone had ever done a study on the amount of water used for bathing proportionate to the amount of water used to make beer here in Australia... :D

CuriousToyBoy
11-21-2004, 08:15 PM
It's already started.

The dry has come !!!

Doomsday is upon us !!!

We drank the boat dry on Saturday night.

He he he.

Thank god for nightclubs with bars.

All was not lost.

Except my mind after several more hours.

:ph34r:

Yug
11-21-2004, 08:18 PM
Originally posted by Lisa@Nov 21 2004, 03:39 PM
Actually Yug I was curious if anyone had ever done a study on the amount of water used for bathing proportionate to the amount of water used to make beer here in Australia... :D
That just gets me thinking about a bathtub full of beer ... mmmmmmm ... beer

TheEnforcer
11-22-2004, 01:39 AM
Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Nov 21 2004, 02:09 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Nov 21 2004, 02:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-TheEnforcer@Nov 21 2004, 11:02 AM
Knew I could get the straight scoop from you two beautiful and intelligent ladies!! :okthumb:
:barfon:

kiss ass


;-))) [/b][/quote]
It's the sexy aussie accents the ladies have... gets me every time!! :P

grimm
11-22-2004, 06:05 AM
dirty dirty ausses:)

chodadog
11-22-2004, 06:34 PM
Blame the farmers. Australian farmers are by far the stupidest motherfuckers on the face of theb planet. Their use of water is inefficient to the point that it actually pisses me off. And don't get me started on cotton farmers. Oooh, i live in the dryest inhabitated continent in the world. I know, i'll grow the most water intensive crop there is. #Q$#@#^%%#

With moderate investments, Australian farmers could halve their water use. But of course, they won't do anything of the sort until the governmebnt gives them money to do so.

cj
11-22-2004, 06:38 PM
are you serious chodadog?!?!?!?

have you ever actually been on a farm or dealt with any of the shit farmers have to deal with just to make a living?!

what a fucking ignorant thing to say.

chodadog
11-22-2004, 06:49 PM
I know it's hard for farmers, but that's no excuse to squander water. I think most Australian farmers only recently realised what a faucet is.

Hotlinkking this picture from a gov site:

http://www.gab.org.au/images/gabcc023.jpg
Free flowing bores like this one in Aramac QLD dot the whole of the Great Artesian Basin contributing to water wastage and decreasing pressure.

This blatantly retarded practice has been going on since the artesian basin was first tapped and is still going on today by a significant portion of Autralian farmers. Hell, nearly all of them were doing it years ago. Do they think it's some kind of unlimited resource?

cj
11-23-2004, 12:28 AM
I don't know where to start with that post choda

If your only understanding of our farming industry is based on some shit you read on a government website (the same govt who are trying to make us freak out about not enough water but still leaving those bores open, charging farmers rates, but not providing them with basic services they pay for) then I doubt the other side of the story means anything to you.

:rolleyes:

>>Do they think it's some kind of unlimited resource?

LMAO

CuriousToyBoy
11-23-2004, 04:02 AM
:ph34r: As CJ says...

PROPER research would reveal some interesting facts.....

# 1 It was GOVERNMENT policy to allow the bores to be opened the way they were way back when (that is NOT the case now of course).

# 2 The GOVERNMENT has the ability close the bores that are perpetually open.

It is NOT the farmers fault that the Government cannot gte their shit together and pay the 100's of millions it would cost to cap the flowing wells (and there ARE 1000's).

Sheesh.

To really fuck things up you HAVE to involve a bureaucrat here and there.

:ph34r:

chodadog
11-23-2004, 06:36 AM
Originally posted by cj@Nov 22 2004, 09:29 PM
I don't know where to start with that post choda

If your only understanding of our farming industry is based on some shit you read on a government website (the same govt who are trying to make us freak out about not enough water but still leaving those bores open, charging farmers rates, but not providing them with basic services they pay for) then I doubt the other side of the story means anything to you.

:rolleyes:

>>Do they think it's some kind of unlimited resource?

LMAO
I can honestly say that's the first time i've been to a goverment website relating to this topic. I wanted to find a pic of an open bore and it was the top result for "artesian basin" on google.

And i don't know why you're laughing. No, the water isn't going to run oout, but abusing the resource makes many bores useless when the pressure drops. Then the farmers are really in the shit.

Of course the government are fucking stupid when it comes to water. Hell, they're stupid when it comes to most things. CuriousTB, the government is putting shitloads into fixing up bores. The problem is that they're not pying 100% of the costs and many farmers simply won't cough up the remaining cash. I don't think the government should have to pay for all of it. The farmer benefits. It's an investment in the future of his business.

Both farmers and governments made mistakes many years go by allowing the bores to flow freely. Both should wear the cost.