Bush complains about "activist judges"....

[LadyLaw]

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,...,361521,00.html (http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,361521,00.html)

Saturday, Oct. 05, 2002

A quiet battle is raging over the Bush Administration's plan to appoint a scantily credentialed doctor, whose writings include a book titled As Jesus Cared for Women: Restoring Women Then and Now, to head an influential Food and Drug Administration (FDA) panel on women's health policy. Sources tell Time that the agency's choice for the advisory panel is Dr. W. David Hager, an obstetrician-gynecologist who also wrote, with his wife Linda, Stress and the Woman's Body, which puts "an emphasis on the restorative power of Jesus Christ in one's life" and recommends specific Scripture readings and prayers for such ailments as headaches and premenstrual syndrome. Though his resume describes Hager as a University of Kentucky professor, a university official says Hager's appointment is part time and voluntary and involves working with interns at Lexington's Central Baptist Hospital, not the university itself. In his private practice, two sources familiar with it say, Hager refuses to prescribe contraceptives to unmarried women. Hager did not return several calls for comment.

FDA advisory panels often have near-final say over crucial health questions. If Hager becomes chairman of the 11-member Reproductive Health Drugs Advisory Committee, he will lead its study of hormone-replacement therapy for menopausal women, one of the biggest controversies in health care. Some conservatives are trying to use doubts about such therapy to discredit the use of birth-control pills, which contain similar compounds. The panel also made the key recommendation in 1996 that led to approval of the "abortion pill," RU-486—a decision that abortion foes are still fighting. Hager assisted the Christian Medical Association last August in a "citizens' petition" calling upon the FDA to reverse itself on RU-486, saying it has endangered the lives and health of women.

Hager was chosen for the post by FDA senior associate commissioner Linda Arey Skladany, a former drug-industry lobbyist with longstanding ties to the Bush family. Skladany rejected at least two nominees proposed by FDA staff members: Donald R. Mattison, former dean of the University of Pittsburgh School of Public Health, and Michael F. Greene, director of maternal- fetal medicine at Massachusetts General Hospital. Despite pressure from inside the FDA to make the appointment temporary, sources say, Skladany has insisted that Hager get a full four-year term. FDA spokesman Bill Pierce called Hager "well qualified."

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Prayer works wonders for PMS....just ask my husband. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by LadyLaw@Nov 7 2004, 12:11 PM


Prayer works wonders for PMS....just ask my husband. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
I'd rather take prayer AND dildo up my ass instead ANY time
;-)))

..but I'm sure it will work for MikeAI,
I never seen HIM PMSing,
gotta be all prayers he makes
;-)))

[Opti]

Originally posted by LadyLaw@Nov 8 2004, 03:11 AM
Hager assisted the Christian Medical Association last August in a "citizens' petition" calling upon the FDA to reverse itself on RU-486, saying it has endangered the lives and health of women.
Slightly off topic... but I actually agree this is something that should be looked at more carefully than regular birth control options... and maybe should only be available in cases like rape.

I may be biased though... having a daughter that is living proof the drug doesnt always work.. having to live with the thought that I tried to murder my own child.. and with the 20/20 hindsight that we were not even close to a proper frame of mind to be making a decision on such an important thing, after the fun is over.. and with just an hour or two to think at the most.

[Mike AI]

FDA's building is no where close to the Supreme Court!

:lol:

Bush has to throw bones to those groups who supported him. This will including appointing people to non-critical posts who represent large special interests groups. Some of them will be kooky. It happens with EVERY President.

Hopefully Bush will keep the kooks in places where they cannot exercise much real power....

When there are thousands of appointments to make things like this are going to happen.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Nov 7 2004, 01:24 PM
FDA's building is no where close to the Supreme Court!

:lol:

Bush has to throw bones to those groups who supported him. This will including appointing people to non-critical posts who represent large special interests groups. Some of them will be kooky. It happens with EVERY President.

Hopefully Bush will keep the kooks in places where they cannot exercise much real power....

When there are thousands of appointments to make things like this are going to happen.
Mike, you are a bit naive...
FDA has MORE power over YOU than the Supreme Court,
as YOU eat, drink and take drugs (or not allowed to take life saving drugs)
every day of your life.

[*KK*]

Originally posted by Opti+Nov 7 2004, 09:49 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Opti @ Nov 7 2004, 09:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-LadyLaw@Nov 8 2004, 03:11 AM
Hager assisted the Christian Medical Association last August in a "citizens' petition" calling upon the FDA to reverse itself on RU-486, saying it has endangered the lives and health of women.
Slightly off topic... but I actually agree this is something that should be looked at more carefully than regular birth control options... and maybe should only be available in cases like rape.

I may be biased though... having a daughter that is living proof the drug doesnt always work.. having to live with the thought that I tried to murder my own child.. and with the 20/20 hindsight that we were not even close to a proper frame of mind to be making a decision on such an important thing, after the fun is over.. and with just an hour or two to think at the most. [/b][/quote]
Choice is choice. I'm sure from your post that you're happy that you have your daughter, and I bet she's one of the single most wonderful things that ever came along in your life.

However, tossing out the murder comment is a bit much, imo.

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Originally posted by *KK*+Nov 7 2004, 03:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (*KK* @ Nov 7 2004, 03:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Opti@Nov 7 2004, 09:49 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-LadyLaw@Nov 8 2004, 03:11 AM
Hager assisted the Christian Medical Association last August in a "citizens' petition" calling upon the FDA to reverse itself on RU-486, saying it has endangered the lives and health of women.
Slightly off topic... but I actually agree this is something that should be looked at more carefully than regular birth control options... and maybe should only be available in cases like rape.

I may be biased though... having a daughter that is living proof the drug doesnt always work.. having to live with the thought that I tried to murder my own child.. and with the 20/20 hindsight that we were not even close to a proper frame of mind to be making a decision on such an important thing, after the fun is over.. and with just an hour or two to think at the most.
Choice is choice. I'm sure from your post that you're happy that you have your daughter, and I bet she's one of the single most wonderful things that ever came along in your life.

However, tossing out the murder comment is a bit much, imo. [/b][/quote]
KK,
he is a parent of a young daughter,
expecting sense from him is too much
;-))

[PornoDoggy]

Denial - it's not just a river in Eqypt.

[RawAlex]

In the end, abortion, like many other issues come down to a "tell you what to do " or "you have free will and free choice".

The conservative anti-abortion groups are doing exactly what they say the liberals do on other issues, claiming to know what is better for you than you do.

There more of "them" there are in key positions, the more presure comes from that side.

Alex

[grimm]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Nov 7 2004, 09:20 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Nov 7 2004, 09:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-LadyLaw@Nov 7 2004, 12:11 PM


Prayer works wonders for PMS....just ask my husband. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
I'd rather take prayer AND dildo up my ass instead ANY time
;-)))

..but I'm sure it will work for MikeAI,
I never seen HIM PMSing,
gotta be all prayers he makes
;-))) [/b][/quote]
and as far as i know, he has yet to be a pregnant teenager, so theres that:)

[grimm]

Originally posted by RawAlex@Nov 7 2004, 01:40 PM
In the end, abortion, like many other issues come down to a "tell you what to do " or "you have free will and free choice".

The conservative anti-abortion groups are doing exactly what they say the liberals do on other issues, claiming to know what is better for you than you do.

There more of "them" there are in key positions, the more presure comes from that side.

Alex
Roe v Wade will NEVER be overturned, since it was passed on the merits of personal privacy and property. If by some way it is, then that would cast all personal privacy and property to the wind. search and seizure would be out the window, and we would live in a military state, similar to china.

wait that is starting to sound familiar;)

[grimm]

although without pregnant teenagers, where would we get strippers?????

[Opti]

Originally posted by *KK*+Nov 8 2004, 06:16 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (*KK* @ Nov 8 2004, 06:16 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Opti@Nov 7 2004, 09:49 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-LadyLaw@Nov 8 2004, 03:11 AM
Hager assisted the Christian Medical Association last August in a "citizens' petition" calling upon the FDA to reverse itself on RU-486, saying it has endangered the lives and health of women.
Slightly off topic... but I actually agree this is something that should be looked at more carefully than regular birth control options... and maybe should only be available in cases like rape.

I may be biased though... having a daughter that is living proof the drug doesnt always work.. having to live with the thought that I tried to murder my own child.. and with the 20/20 hindsight that we were not even close to a proper frame of mind to be making a decision on such an important thing, after the fun is over.. and with just an hour or two to think at the most.
Choice is choice. I'm sure from your post that you're happy that you have your daughter, and I bet she's one of the single most wonderful things that ever came along in your life.

However, tossing out the murder comment is a bit much, imo. [/b][/quote]
maybe so.. "having to deal with the thought i might have killed something I love so much" might have sounded more palatable. But I genuinely feel more strongly that that, I feel shame about it even though I am pro-choice. I'm not sure I have ever spoken about my feelings about this before. I probably avoid thinking about it if it ever comes to mind. It's hard to explain why I might want to blurt it out in public in that case, but I didn't mean to be sensational, just had a unique perspective that I thought might be valuable if anyone ever finds themselves in that position.

There isn't many good reasons I can think of for needing RU-486, and hopefully after reading my experience someone might toss their supply of this in the trash.

Women have months to make a "choice". So I think a descision to snuff out someones chance at being should not be made in after sex circumstancs, with an hour or so window of opportunity, and isnt a "right" we need or should want.


Apart from that RU-486 part... I say stone the lot of the rightwing religous nuts though!! :D

[PornoDoggy]

Roe v Wade will NEVER be overturned
grimm Posted on Nov 7 2004, 04:46 PM


I don't care how loud they get, there is no way in hell they would ever ban alcohol.
Jack Daniels Posted on Nov 7 1918, 04:46 PM

[Buff]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Nov 7 2004, 08:28 PM
Roe v Wade will NEVER be overturned
grimm Posted on Nov 7 2004, 04:46 PM


I don't care how loud they get, there is no way in hell they would ever ban alcohol.
Jack Daniels Posted on Nov 7 1918, 04:46 PM
hahaha good one

if they overturn R v W then each state gets to set its own law right?