anybody cares to speculate WHY?

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Demographics from Gallup from final poll before election.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/content/?ci=13957

Kerry won among high school dropouts and post grads
Bush won among some college and college grads

I have some idea WHY, but would like to hear from all of you.

[Rolo]

People generally have the political opinion, which they can afford? :unsure:

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Rolo@Nov 6 2004, 02:42 PM
People generally have the political opinion, which they can afford? :unsure:
Actually Rolo in my case , as I grew older and wealthier, my views changed from very conservative to being a virtual Champagne Socialist.

Maybe I am the exception.

My family used to tell me with wealth ,education,and priviledge comes responsibility .

Of course normally I was too drunk , high , or horny to pay attention. ;-))

I now understand their point.

Perhaps George Bush should be reminded that in any civilised society the stronger should feel a moral (spit) responsibility to the weak.

(note: in business the above views of Nickatilynx do not apply. )

;-))

[Vick]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Nov 6 2004, 06:25 PM
Perhaps George Bush should be reminded that in any civilised society the stronger should feel a moral (spit) responsibility to the weak.

Um perhaps not

Or I pass on being a member of civilized society

Let's go dancing on the back of the bruised

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My theory of WHY is because:
1) the drop outs are the major benefits of social programs and hand outs
2) post grads are smart enough to understand that those social programs and handouts are nothing else but SAFETY valves,
designed to prevent social uphevals a-la Russia in 1917.
Poor people in mass with weapons are not a pretty picture for society.
(Anybody who lived thru LA riots would agree, even though it was on a lighter scale - no weapons)

[Buff]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Nov 7 2004, 06:31 AM
My theory of WHY is because:
1) the drop outs are the major benefits of social programs and hand outs
2) post grads are smart enough to understand that those social programs and handouts are nothing else but SAFETY valves,
designed to prevent social uphevals a-la Russia in 1917.
Poor people in mass with weapons are not a pretty picture for society.
(Anybody who lived thru LA riots would agree, even though it was on a lighter scale - no weapons)
The first part of your analysis is right. I think the second part is wrong though. Those post graduates on the left tend to be in Academia, and they have a love for all things Marx. They seek to uproot traditional power structures and view the world in terms of sexism, racism, ethnocentricism, ageism, classism, etc.

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Originally posted by Buff+Nov 7 2004, 07:33 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Buff @ Nov 7 2004, 07:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Serge_Oprano@Nov 7 2004, 06:31 AM
My theory of WHY is because:
1) the drop outs are the major benefits of social programs and hand outs
2) post grads are smart enough to understand that those social programs and handouts are nothing else but SAFETY valves,
designed to prevent social uphevals a-la Russia in 1917.
Poor people in mass with weapons are not a pretty picture for society.
(Anybody who lived thru LA riots would agree, even though it was on a lighter scale - no weapons)
The first part of your analysis is right. I think the second part is wrong though. Those post graduates on the left tend to be in Academia, and they have a love for all things Marx. They seek to uproot traditional power structures and view the world in terms of sexism, racism, ethnocentricism, ageism, classism, etc. [/b][/quote]
Buff,
wrong.
Academia KNOWS from history that Marx's theories don't work.

On the other hand
"some college" don't put one and one together that if you don't built in a safety valve-
the mechanism is gonna blow.

[Buff]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Nov 7 2004, 06:37 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Nov 7 2004, 06:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Buff@Nov 7 2004, 07:33 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Serge_Oprano@Nov 7 2004, 06:31 AM
My theory of WHY is because:
1) the drop outs are the major benefits of social programs and hand outs
2) post grads are smart enough to understand that those social programs and handouts are nothing else but SAFETY valves,
designed to prevent social uphevals a-la Russia in 1917.
Poor people in mass with weapons are not a pretty picture for society.
(Anybody who lived thru LA riots would agree, even though it was on a lighter scale - no weapons)
The first part of your analysis is right. I think the second part is wrong though. Those post graduates on the left tend to be in Academia, and they have a love for all things Marx. They seek to uproot traditional power structures and view the world in terms of sexism, racism, ethnocentricism, ageism, classism, etc.
Buff,
wrong.
Academia KNOWS from history that Marx's theories don't work.

On the other hand
"some college" don't put one and one together that if you don't built in a safety valve-
the mechanism is gonna blow. [/b][/quote]
Well there are an overwhelming majority of self-identified marxists in US universities. I wish more of them knew Marx was wrong, but I think you'd be surprised. Remember, you studied a real subject in college -- physics or engineering or what was it? Here in the states, there are a superabundance of sociology classes and philosophy classes, and literature classes, and feminist studies and gay studies and minority studies and what have you that are almost without exception taught by Marxists.

[Rolo]

I suspect alot of the european socialist parties in the 1980-90s thought that by letting in massive numbers of 3rd world immigrants and refugees, they would be able to build a new "working class" to secure that socialist parties still would have dominant power. However the rise in wealth have made the middle class the biggest and most powerful group today, and they tend to seek compromise instead of hardcore ideologies - unless thoses hardcore ideologies threaten the status quo in their lifes, which explains why the majority of middle class candian and europeans "hate" Bush, and why the majority of middle class USA "accepts" Bush, because terrorists threaten the status quo/harmony in the US.

[Rolo]

Originally posted by Buff@Nov 7 2004, 05:09 AM
I wish more of them knew Marx was wrong, but I think you'd be surprised.
I loved corrupting the brainwashed marxists we got at our office - usual within a year I had them cured or scared away :lol: