John Aschroft likely retiring

[Biggy]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/04/...e.ap/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/04/ashcroft.future.ap/index.html)

"Ashcroft, 62, is described as exhausted from leading the Justice Department in fighting the domestic war on terrorism since the September 11, 2001, attacks. Stress was a factor in Ashcroft's health problems earlier this year that resulted in removal of his gall bladder. (Ashcroft in intensive care)

Ashcroft is expected to resign before Bush's January 20 inauguration, said aides who spoke only on condition of anonymity. They said there is a small chance he would stay on, at least for a short time, if Bush asked him.

The attorney general has not officially informed his staff of his future plans, spokesman Mark Corallo said.

At a news conference, Bush said he hasn't made any decisions about his Cabinet.

Ashcroft, a former two-term governor and senator from Missouri, has long been a favorite among Bush's base of religious conservatives. He also is a lightning rod for Democrats and other critics on issues ranging from the anti-terrorism Patriot Act, which expanded rules for eavesdropping, to abortion rights and gun control. (Ashcroft details uses of Patriot Act)

Names that have been floated in recent weeks as a possible replacement include Ashcroft's former deputy, Larry Thompson, who would become the first black attorney general.

Others include Marc Racicot, who was Bush's campaign manager, and White House general counsel Alberto Gonzalez, who would give Bush a notable Hispanic appointment."

[Evil Chris]

Good riddence and I'm sure I speak even for Mikey. :bwave:

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by Evil Chris@Nov 5 2004, 10:01 PM
Good riddence and I'm sure I speak even for Mikey. :bwave:
Who called this months ago?

The "boogey man" is leaving town....

Ashcroft has 0 obsenity trials....

Think about it. Maybe the next guy won't be as nice.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Mike AI+Nov 5 2004, 11:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mike AI @ Nov 5 2004, 11:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Evil Chris@Nov 5 2004, 10:01 PM
Good riddence and I'm sure I speak even for Mikey. :bwave:
Who called this months ago?

The "boogey man" is leaving town....

Ashcroft has 0 obsenity trials....

Think about it. Maybe the next guy won't be as nice. [/b][/quote]
I know, I know,
he is leaving to assure his record is perfect.....will he take cloth from the statues with him?

[RawAlex]

Mike, the replacement (maybe Rudy) might be worse.

Alex

[Dravyk]

It won't be, Rudy.

[JR]

Originally posted by RawAlex@Nov 5 2004, 09:44 PM
Mike, the replacement (maybe Rudy) might be worse.

Alex
hahaha. laying the groundwork for 4 more years of doom and gloom, continued anti-US bigotry and relentless criticism of Conservatives/US policies. Bush being re-elected was the best thing that ever happened to you... otherwise, you would be climbing the walls, lost and wondering where to direct your insecurity and paranoia... now the pressure is off and you can go back to your normal routine of explaining to everyone why they are wrong and why they don't "get it"


:ph34r:

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by RawAlex@Nov 6 2004, 12:44 AM
Mike, the replacement (maybe Rudy) might be worse.

Alex
Oh, man. I can't stop laughing.

[PornoDoggy]

I don't think it will be Rudy.

Rudy would not be acceptable to Robertson, Reed, et al.

For that reason, I don't think what Alex is suggesting is that far off the mark.

As far as the "zero prosecutions" bullshit that is tossed around by the defenders of the faith - I suspect there are a lot of "zero" items within Justice that might very well have happened had it not been for 9/11.

[Buff]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Nov 6 2004, 08:11 AM
I don't think it will be Rudy.

Rudy would not be acceptable to Robertson, Reed, et al.

For that reason, I don't think what Alex is suggesting is that far off the mark.

As far as the "zero prosecutions" bullshit that is tossed around by the defenders of the faith - I suspect there are a lot of "zero" items within Justice that might very well have happened had it not been for 9/11.
hahaha, so now he's guilty for what he might have done if he hadn't done what he ended up doing.

No point in any further discussion of the topic:

PD wins, TKO.

[PornoDoggy]

Uhh, Buffy.

We are talking about a man who considered a run for the Presidency himself, with an appeal mostly to the religious right.

We are talking about a man who has been castigated by his base in the religious right for failing to prosecute obscenity.

I do not think it is in any way "unfair" to assume that Ashcroft would have made obscenity/pornography a priority had not 9/11 interrupted.

[Biggy]

We can argue all day long about what Ashcroft what have done if it were not for 9/11. The good news.... he is out hopefully, and yes there could always be worst, but it would be hard to beat religious-centered Ashcroft.

[Evil Chris]

Originally posted by JR+Nov 6 2004, 06:32 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JR @ Nov 6 2004, 06:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-RawAlex@Nov 5 2004, 09:44 PM
Mike, the replacement (maybe Rudy) might be worse.

Alex
hahaha. laying the groundwork for 4 more years of doom and gloom, continued anti-US bigotry and relentless criticism of Conservatives/US policies. Bush being re-elected was the best thing that ever happened to you... otherwise, you would be climbing the walls, lost and wondering where to direct your insecurity and paranoia... now the pressure is off and you can go back to your normal routine of explaining to everyone why they are wrong and why they don't "get it"


:ph34r: [/b][/quote]
You're from a red state. :rolleyes:

[Almighty Colin]

I don't get the whole "if 9/11 had not happened" argument. It's not like Ashcroft has to take the time to do schlep work. He runs a department with 130,000 employees and $23 billion/year. In the past 4 years he's had access to nearly $100 billion and more than one billion man-hours (no shit)! It's not like Ashcroft and the DOJ have been so busy on terrorism they haven't had time for anything else. They've managed increased attention and resources to online crime and fraud, prison construction, Drug enforcement, and the INS.

Now Ashcroft is retiring. The people who said 4 years ago that Ashcroft would destroy the porn industry were just flat our wrong. Robert Fulghum was right. The little boy who cried wolf and Chicken Little should have taught us well.

[kath]

Originally posted by Colin@Nov 6 2004, 12:53 PM
I don't get the whole "if 9/11 had not happened" argument. It's not like Ashcroft has to take the time to do schlep work. He runs a department with 130,000 employees and $23 billion/year. In the past 4 years he's had access to nearly $100 billion and more than one billion man-hours (no shit)! It's not like Ashcroft and the DOJ have been so busy on terrorism they haven't had time for anything else. They've managed increased attention and resources to online crime and fraud, prison construction, Drug enforcement, and the INS.

Now Ashcroft is retiring. The people who said 4 years ago that Ashcroft would destroy the porn industry were just flat our wrong. Robert Fulghum was right. The little boy who cried wolf and Chicken Little should have taught us well.
Agreed 100% - if he was gonna do it, he woulda done it.

Remember, the sky never really "falls" - it just changes color :awinky:

[Winetalk.com]

..and I blame Ashcroft for his failure to protect us from this:

http://www.amateursweb.com/slideshow/amweb/19/donated327.jpg

[Hell Puppy]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Nov 7 2004, 03:28 PM
..and I blame Ashcroft for his failure to protect us from this:

http://www.amateursweb.com/slideshow/amweb/19/donated327.jpg
I was wondering how long before Tara Reid's boobs made an appearance over here...

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Nov 7 2004, 04:28 PM
..and I blame Ashcroft for his failure to protect us from this:

http://www.amateursweb.com/slideshow/amweb/19/donated327.jpg
Once again, pictures of me with no model releases. :grrr:

[RawAlex]

What can I say? John Ashcroft is going to retire because he has a massive SRH (Sprem retention headache).

I gues he was a turkey:

http://www.bumperdumper.com/art/turkey1.jpg

:-)

Alex

[Dravyk]

And, speaking of model releases ...

Alex, did Gonzo give you permission to use his photo? B)