Red State vs. Blue States

[Mike AI]

I love reading the cries of the blue state people.

Serge his arguements sound a lot like yours

http://slate.msn.com/id/2109218/

Too bad the US is a red state Nation. Here is the map.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselect...4/countymap.htm (http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/vote2004/countymap.htm)

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hahahahahaha,
he described your ilk to the T
Here is how ignorance works: First, they put the fear of God into you—if you don't believe in the literal word of the Bible, you will burn in hell. Of course, the literal word of the Bible is tremendously contradictory, and so you must abdicate all critical thinking, and accept a simple but logical system of belief that is dangerous to question. A corollary to this point is that they make sure you understand that Satan resides in the toils and snares of complex thought and so it is best not try it.

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Nov 5 2004, 11:39 AM
hahahahahaha,
he described your ilk to the T
Here is how ignorance works: First, they put the fear of God into you—if you don't believe in the literal word of the Bible, you will burn in hell. Of course, the literal word of the Bible is tremendously contradictory, and so you must abdicate all critical thinking, and accept a simple but logical system of belief that is dangerous to question. A corollary to this point is that they make sure you understand that Satan resides in the toils and snares of complex thought and so it is best not try it.

This is the paragraph that I knew would stick in your mind.

:lol:

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Mike AI+Nov 5 2004, 03:04 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mike AI @ Nov 5 2004, 03:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Serge_Oprano@Nov 5 2004, 11:39 AM
hahahahahaha,
he described your ilk to the T
Here is how ignorance works: First, they put the fear of God into you—if you don't believe in the literal word of the Bible, you will burn in hell. Of course, the literal word of the Bible is tremendously contradictory, and so you must abdicate all critical thinking, and accept a simple but logical system of belief that is dangerous to question. A corollary to this point is that they make sure you understand that Satan resides in the toils and snares of complex thought and so it is best not try it.

This is the paragraph that I knew would stick in your mind.

:lol: [/b][/quote]
I wrote it....

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Nov 5 2004, 03:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Nov 5 2004, 03:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Mike AI@Nov 5 2004, 03:04 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Serge_Oprano@Nov 5 2004, 11:39 AM
hahahahahaha,
he described your ilk to the T
Here is how ignorance works: First, they put the fear of God into you—if you don't believe in the literal word of the Bible, you will burn in hell. Of course, the literal word of the Bible is tremendously contradictory, and so you must abdicate all critical thinking, and accept a simple but logical system of belief that is dangerous to question. A corollary to this point is that they make sure you understand that Satan resides in the toils and snares of complex thought and so it is best not try it.

This is the paragraph that I knew would stick in your mind.

:lol:
I wrote it.... [/b][/quote]
HAHA Yeah and Gore invented the Internet.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Mike AI+Nov 5 2004, 03:08 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mike AI @ Nov 5 2004, 03:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Nov 5 2004, 03:05 PM
Originally posted by Mike AI@Nov 5 2004, 03:04 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Serge_Oprano@Nov 5 2004, 11:39 AM
hahahahahaha,
he described your ilk to the T
Here is how ignorance works: First, they put the fear of God into you—if you don't believe in the literal word of the Bible, you will burn in hell. Of course, the literal word of the Bible is tremendously contradictory, and so you must abdicate all critical thinking, and accept a simple but logical system of belief that is dangerous to question. A corollary to this point is that they make sure you understand that Satan resides in the toils and snares of complex thought and so it is best not try it.

This is the paragraph that I knew would stick in your mind.

:lol:
I wrote it....
HAHA Yeah and Gore invented the Internet. [/b][/quote]
have I ever lied???

Pages 4-6!

http://www.master-x.com/forum/topics/31562/page/100/

[Biggy]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Nov 5 2004, 08:33 AM
I love reading the cries of the blue state people.

Serge his arguements sound a lot like yours

http://slate.msn.com/id/2109218/

Too bad the US is a red state Nation. Here is the map.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselect...4/countymap.htm (http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/vote2004/countymap.htm)
only a republican would look at that map and use it as support.

its portrays a falls sense of reality, in that all those red squares were maybe a 1-3% differential in votes between bush and kerry. our country is extraordinarily split, between the intelligent and the ignorant (see article posted above). ;-)))))))))))

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by Biggy+Nov 5 2004, 03:23 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Biggy @ Nov 5 2004, 03:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mike AI@Nov 5 2004, 08:33 AM
I love reading the cries of the blue state people.

Serge his arguements sound a lot like yours

http://slate.msn.com/id/2109218/

Too bad the US is a red state Nation. Here is the map.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselect...4/countymap.htm (http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/vote2004/countymap.htm)
only a republican would look at that map and use it as support.

its portrays a falls sense of reality, in that all those red squares were maybe a 1-3% differential in votes between bush and kerry. our country is extraordinarily split, between the intelligent and the ignorant (see article posted above). ;-))))))))))) [/b][/quote]
You are a keen student of US election history.

Look at Bush's numbers. They are superior to JFK, Clinton, etc...

Bush is the first incumbent to GAIN in off year congressional elections. What was last President running for re-election to gain seats in Senate & House?

It was FDR.... A national Icon!

[Biggy]

Originally posted by Mike AI+Nov 5 2004, 12:27 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mike AI @ Nov 5 2004, 12:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Biggy@Nov 5 2004, 03:23 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Mike AI@Nov 5 2004, 08:33 AM
I love reading the cries of the blue state people.

Serge his arguements sound a lot like yours

http://slate.msn.com/id/2109218/

Too bad the US is a red state Nation. Here is the map.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselect...4/countymap.htm (http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/vote2004/countymap.htm)
only a republican would look at that map and use it as support.

its portrays a falls sense of reality, in that all those red squares were maybe a 1-3% differential in votes between bush and kerry. our country is extraordinarily split, between the intelligent and the ignorant (see article posted above). ;-)))))))))))
You are a keen student of US election history.

Look at Bush's numbers. They are superior to JFK, Clinton, etc...

Bush is the first incumbent to GAIN in off year congressional elections. What was last President running for re-election to gain seats in Senate & House?

It was FDR.... A national Icon! [/b][/quote]
please don't compare FDR and GWB. Only if you can make a comparison of World War 2 and how that was handled to the "War on Terrorism" aka "Iraq."

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Nov 5 2004, 12:27 PM


Look at Bush's numbers. They are superior to JFK, Clinton, etc...

And I earn 100 times as much as Henry VIII !!!!!

[Winetalk.com]

it's official:
GWB = FDR and my shit doesn't smell.

Anybody who thinks otherwise,
request a sample.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Nov 5 2004, 03:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Nov 5 2004, 03:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mike AI@Nov 5 2004, 12:27 PM


Look at Bush's numbers. They are superior to JFK, Clinton, etc...

And I earn 100 times as much as Henry VIII !!!!! [/b][/quote]
that was the favorite way of comparissions Communists in USSR used,
they compared any numbers of Soviet Economy to...
Tsar's numbers of 1913 and oh yeah,
Commies look GOOD!
;-))))

[Biggy]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Nov 5 2004, 12:43 PM
it's official:
GWB = FDR and my shit doesn't smell.

Anybody who thinks otherwise,
request a sample.
my shit smells like roses, and GWB is a great president!

[Mike AI]

Bush is no FDR, but his election victory has some similarities.

Bush only knows how to govern one way. He has won 2 elections as gov, and 2 as President. He will lead the way he always has. Of course with Dashel being voted out of office, and gaining 4 seats in Senate, and a bunch in house its going to be much easier.

Argue all you want, just giving the facts. You may not like how Bush governs, but there will be 4 more years of it. There is a good chance Bush will also appoint 2-3 Supreme Court justices.

Bush is a visionary - even if you do not agree with is vision, he still has it, and and will move forward with implementing his vision. Hopefully it will include flat/consumption tax, social security privatization and other difficult issues most politicans run away from.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Nov 5 2004, 02:16 PM


Bush is a visionary- even if you do not agree with is vision, he still has it, and and will move forward with implementing his vision.
so was...

Stalin
hitler
musselini....
Osama
arafat


all visionaries!!!

I'm a fucking visionary for fuck sakes! ;-))

Being a visionary is not necessarily a good thing...

being a religious fundamentalist is certainly NOT a good thing.

I mean if I tell people that the devil talks to me and tells me to behave and live in a certain way , I'll be locked away by the men in white coats.

however...

If I say Jesus talks to me , I can be elected President of the United States of America.

....hmmmm unles the devil now pretends to be Jesus. That might make sense!! ;-)))

[Winetalk.com]

Nick,
you ARE a
Visionary, funny, smart and a good egg!
;-))))

[JoesHO]

I do not like bush being elected, but I think that te prudent thing to do now is to try to unite behind the elected leader, and accomplish something.

[Evil Chris]

The good news is.... after this term, his ass is out for good.

[gigi]

The map is interesting....notice most of the 'blue states' are in metropolitan areas? Gotta makes ya think about them rednecks, huh? :P

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by gigi@Nov 5 2004, 10:55 PM
The map is interesting....notice most of the 'blue states' are in metropolitan areas? Gotta makes ya think about them rednecks, huh? :P
GiGi,
those rednecks are the most advanced citizens of our country,
they been using "3G" principle loooong before it was widely available
http://www.fcc.gov/3G/

...but being rednecks,
they thought it was:
God
Guns
Gays

;-)))

[gigi]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Nov 5 2004, 08:11 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Nov 5 2004, 08:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-gigi@Nov 5 2004, 10:55 PM
The map is interesting....notice most of the 'blue states' are in metropolitan areas? Gotta makes ya think about them rednecks, huh? :P
GiGi,
those rednecks are the most advanced citizens of our country,
they been using "3G" principle loooong before it was widely available
http://www.fcc.gov/3G/

...but being rednecks,
they thought it was:
God
Guns
Gays

;-))) [/b][/quote]
:biglaugh:

[Peaches]

Originally posted by gigi@Nov 5 2004, 11:55 PM
The map is interesting....notice most of the 'blue states' are in metropolitan areas? Gotta makes ya think about them rednecks, huh? :P
Metropolitan areas are also where most of the welfare/free healthcare/government housing recipients live :awinky:

[Mike AI]

Thanks God for rednecks!

:salute:

[gigi]

Originally posted by Peaches+Nov 5 2004, 08:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Nov 5 2004, 08:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-gigi@Nov 5 2004, 11:55 PM
The map is interesting....notice most of the 'blue states' are in metropolitan areas? Gotta makes ya think about them rednecks, huh? :P
Metropolitan areas are also where most of the welfare/free healthcare/government housing recipients live :awinky: [/b][/quote]

And welfare /free healthcare/ goverment housing recipients make up how much of the metropolitan population?

:awinky:

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by gigi+Nov 5 2004, 11:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gigi @ Nov 5 2004, 11:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Peaches@Nov 5 2004, 08:45 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-gigi@Nov 5 2004, 11:55 PM
The map is interesting....notice most of the 'blue states' are in metropolitan areas? Gotta makes ya think about them rednecks, huh? :P
Metropolitan areas are also where most of the welfare/free healthcare/government housing recipients live :awinky:

And welfare /free healthcare/ goverment housing recipients make up how much of the metropolitan population?

:awinky: [/b][/quote]
GiGi,
don't confuse Peaches with facts and common sense.
;-)

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Nov 5 2004, 11:46 PM
Thanks God for rednecks!

:salute:
Thanks God for rednecks with the Guns shooting Gays.

:salute: :salute: :salute:
:salute: :salute: In 3G we Trust! :salute: :salute:
:salute: :salute: :salute:

[Almighty Colin]

Demographics from Gallup from final poll before election.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/content/?ci=13957

Men voted for Bush 56-44
Women voted for Kerry 52-48

White voted for Bush 57-43
Non white voted for Kerry 83-17 (black 93-7)

Bush won the age 30-64 vote
Kerry won the age 18-29 and 65+ vote

Kerry won Urban 56-44
Bush won Suburban and Rural 54-46

Kerry won among high school dropouts and post grads
Bush won among some college and college grads

Married voted for Bush 60-40
Unmarried voted for Kerry 60-40

Gunowners voted for Bush 65-35

Weekly church-goers voted for Bush 63-37
Seldom to never attend church voted Kerry 60-40

Vets voted Bush 60-40

[XXXPhoto]

How can someone claim to be following the 'word of god' when the KJ version of bible is at LEAST 3rd hand? Bet my left nut that none of the scrolls ever found were in the kings english...

[Buff]

Originally posted by Colin@Nov 6 2004, 05:12 AM
Demographics from Gallup from final poll before election.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/content/?ci=13957

Men voted for Bush 56-44
Women voted for Kerry 52-48

White voted for Bush 57-43
Non white voted for Kerry 83-17 (black 93-7)

Bush won the age 30-64 vote
Kerry won the age 18-29 and 65+ vote

Kerry won Urban 56-44
Bush won Suburban and Rural 54-46

Kerry won among high school dropouts and post grads
Bush won among some college and college grads

Married voted for Bush 60-40
Unmarried voted for Kerry 60-40

Gunowners voted for Bush 65-35

Weekly church-goers voted for Bush 63-37
Seldom to never attend church voted Kerry 60-40

Vets voted Bush 60-40
So all these Kerry voters are most similar to


Elderly, atheist, black, unmarried, urban women who never served in the military.

Sounds like Serge! :)

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Buff,
there is only one thing uglier than southern cretin-
it's a the GLOATING southern cretin.

[OldJeff]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Nov 5 2004, 05:16 PM

Argue all you want, just giving the facts. You may not like how Bush governs, but there will be 4 more years of it. There is a good chance Bush will also appoint 2-3 Supreme Court justices.


Mike,

You, a law school graduate can not possible believe that giving an overwhelming majority to conservative beliefs on the supreme court can ever possibly be a good thing.

Without balance 50% of the countries core beliefs are made meiningless.

I would feel just as nervous if there was a looming possiblility of the court swinging too far the other way.

Have less checks and balances in our system of government is NEVER a good thing.

[PornoDoggy]

51-49.

You can twist it and turn it and flip it and stretch it and you can fuckin' sit on it while you spin it. It's still goddamned close.

If Bush, Frist and Delay take the same sort of shallow-minded, self serving interpretation of this "mandate" that some Oprano posters are exhibiting, that 51-49 is going to read very differently in 2006 and 2008.

[Almighty Colin]

Supreme Court? 55 Republican Senators? Welcome to the filibuster. Once again, division of powers and balancing mechanisms inherent in the Constitution will keep the country in the middle.

[Buff]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Nov 6 2004, 07:36 AM
Buff,
there is only one thing uglier than southern cretin-
it's a the GLOATING southern cretin.
I'm not gloating. My guy lost (Badnarik). In fact, my party loses every four years (Libertarians).

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by Buff+Nov 6 2004, 10:01 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Buff @ Nov 6 2004, 10:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Serge_Oprano@Nov 6 2004, 07:36 AM
Buff,
there is only one thing uglier than southern cretin-
it's a the GLOATING southern cretin.
I'm not gloating. My guy lost (Badnarik). In fact, my party loses every four years (Libertarians). [/b][/quote]
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

[Buff]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy+Nov 6 2004, 09:44 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PornoDoggy @ Nov 6 2004, 09:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Buff@Nov 6 2004, 10:01 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Serge_Oprano@Nov 6 2004, 07:36 AM
Buff,
there is only one thing uglier than southern cretin-
it's a the GLOATING southern cretin.
I'm not gloating. My guy lost (Badnarik). In fact, my party loses every four years (Libertarians).
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. [/b][/quote]
I haven't voted for a Republican President since 1988 when I voted Bush. I voted Libertarian in 92, 96, and 2000, and I didn't vote for a President this year, regardless of what you think.

[Mike AI]

Old Jeff, I did graduate law school and I have seen the damage that liberal activist judges bring to this country. The reality is what liberals cannot get past in legislastion, they turn it over the activist judges.

Republicans will keep winning elections until Democrates figure out you cannot insult the average American. You cannot force gay marriage down their throats, work to take "God" out of the pledge, put Michael Moore in the VP Suite during convention, etc....

IF Democrats want to win National office they are going to have to move back to the center - instead of the fringes.... at least for now, this country is still pretty Conservative.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Nov 6 2004, 11:39 AM
Old Jeff, I did graduate law school and I have seen the damage that liberal activist judges bring to this country. The reality is what liberals cannot get past in legislastion, they turn it over the activist judges.


...and we never seen conservatives using judges for exact same reason????
c'mon!


as for winning elections...
as baby boomers grow old and retire,
and as ALWAYS in USA,
WALLET is what votes,
Dems has to do NOTHING, as population will just turn old and go along, as recent stats showed.

fuckin' shit,
I feel as I am in the WORST position of them all,
being MODERATE conservative at the CENTER,
I am constantly attacked by MikeAI's from the right and Alexes from the left
;-))))

[gigi]

LOL Serge...I feel the same way....although I'm more a center liberal....I fell differently than MikeAI....I think the Conservatives are as much on the 'fringe' of the right as he claims the Liberals are on the left.....just my personal opinion, though....and I'm Canadian....so that don't mean much. ;)

[Sharpie]

Since we didn't have an electrol college crisis this year, I don't suppose it will be discussed officially for awhile. It should be.... Winner take all is stupid & unfair........ Just that sinple! That is like all the house of reps, being decided on by the govenor (and all the same party)

I felt Bush had an ego problem last time around when he didn't even win the popular vote (you would never have known it) he thinks he has (and has publicaly said) that now he has a mandate for his programs. He thinks the country has condoned all his policies. Far from it - he didn't win by what I would call a landside. He has a very divided country & I don't think he could care less - he won & that is all that counts. I don't think there is a prayer that he will unite the country in any way, because he thinks every policy he is is right. After all - he has God on his side! I don't see him comprising. I think he has a very dangerous pompous attitude for our times.

Time will tell............ I am willing to give him a chance, but I am very skeptical that he won't be treading on my rights.

[Evil Chris]

Originally posted by Buff@Nov 6 2004, 11:59 AM
I haven't voted for a Republican President since 1988 when I voted Bush. I voted Libertarian in 92, 96, and 2000, and I didn't vote for a President this year, regardless of what you think.
You were old enough to vote in 1988?

[gigi]

Originally posted by XXXPhoto@Nov 6 2004, 03:45 AM
How can someone claim to be following the 'word of god' when the KJ version of bible is at LEAST 3rd hand? Bet my left nut that none of the scrolls ever found were in the kings english...
That's a whoooooooole nuther topic...hehe

BUT, just to add to that....many of the books were put in the 'recycle bin' when KJ comprised his version....

and, did you know some say he was gay? :awinky:

[XXXPhoto]

Gigi,

Reckon they were translated by 'looking into a hat' as well?

[gigi]

HAHA, I have no doubt, Mark ;)

And btw....someone pointed me to these two maps that reflect a more realistic view of the breakdown of votes....

By Population:
http://www.electoral-vote.com/carto/nov04c.html
(states are skewed to represent pop)

By County, but using different shades of purple based on percentages:
http://www.princeton.edu/~rvdb/JAVA/election2004/

So, as you see, the USA isn't a red state....but more a deep shade of magenta. ;)