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Nickatilynx

10-31-2004, 11:20 AM

Over this "War" (I am too old and not American , so for me it is very hypothetical) if I was of age I wouild head to Canada.

If I had children of military age , I would either find a loophole or send them to Canada.

Them Iraqi's ain't done nothing to me.

They weren't involved with 9/11
They had no weapons of mass destruction.

So why are we there , instead of North Korea?

I would truely believe that there is an agenda we are not aware of , that we are being misinformed possibly intentionally , and I would fear the belief that runs strong in the US that "Hey ,Bush is our President we must support him"

Evil Chris

10-31-2004, 11:30 AM

If I were 17 again, I would probably sign up myself.

But knowing what I know now, I would avoid it at all costs.

Nickatilynx

10-31-2004, 11:34 AM

Originally posted by Evil Chris@Oct 31 2004, 08:31 AM
If I were 17 again, I would probably sign up myself.

But knowing what I know now, I would avoid it at all costs.
Good point ,Chris.

At 17 I would have been up for it.

Which is in some way the tradegy.

Peaches

10-31-2004, 11:49 AM

Canada has already said they won't harbor draft dodgers, so you'd have to go elsewhere :awinky:

But there won't be a draft so it's like asking me "If you grew 10 feet tomorrow, which basketball team would you sign up for?". :P

PornoDoggy

10-31-2004, 11:52 AM

If there was a draft like it was structured the last couple of years it existed here in the states - based on birthdate alone - an awful lot of your typical Bush middle-class WASP Republicans would become anti-war in a heartbeat, if it looked like their Johnny (or Janey) might have to get a gun.

If it was structured the way it was during most of the years following WWII, it would cause concern among young people, but not nearly as much as if it was equitable.

Two problems that a draft presents/won't solve:

1) If there really is a genuine turn-around in the economy - in other words, if it ever generates decent paying jobs - recruiting will suffer, but not nearly as much as retention will. This is not a problem that can be dealt with via a draft.

2) The services today are set up for folks who WANT to be there. Draftees (and pseudo-draftees that join a service to avoid being drafted into the Army) present a number of problems that the all-volunteer forces don't have the time and resources to deal with.

Oh, and for the record - during the Vietnam War, only pussies went to Canada. The folks with the guts and integrity of their convictions went to jail.

SykkBoy

10-31-2004, 01:09 PM

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Oct 31 2004, 11:53 AM
Oh, and for the record - during the Vietnam War, only pussies went to Canada. The folks with the guts and integrity of their convictions went to jail.
hahah
like my dad
he had a choice: jail or the army...

sometimes, I wonder if he wishes he had chosen jail ;-)

Mike AI

10-31-2004, 02:00 PM

There will be no draft....

The ignorance around this issue is amazing. I expect it from the MTV "Vote or Die" crowd.... but figured people on Oprano could see through it!

Almighty Colin

10-31-2004, 02:13 PM

If I were of eligible age I'd do what my father did during Nam. I'd go sign up for the Air Force before they drafted me knowing full well I wouldn't end up on the ground with a rifle in my hand.

Buff

10-31-2004, 02:21 PM

No one lives forever. Go ahead and sign up and go special forces.

PornoDoggy

10-31-2004, 03:38 PM

Never
Again
Volunteer
Yourself

P.S. Nick - you left off "I am so old that they couldn't use me anymore" as a poll option.

My dad had the choice between going to court over some petty shit or joining the service - he joined the Coast Guard in early 1940, and was hunting submarines more than a year before Pearl Harbor. My uncle said fuck 'em and waited to be drafted. When he did and reported to the processing center, some guy came in and called out the 10 biggest guys in the line and informed them they had volunteered for the Marine Corps.

Mike ... if we plan on having a military large enough to do all the things you want them to do (take on Syria and Iran, for example, while still nation-building in Iraq and Afghanistan) - then there may come a time when conscription of some form or another is necessary. This shit in Iraq drags on too long and the economy heats up, they'll have to do something. Never say never.

I, for one, would love to see mandatory national service of some kind for EVERYONE between 18-20. I would love to see Grogan, for example, offered the alternative of two years active duty (four years reserve service) or two years tutoring in an inner city school.

SykkBoy

10-31-2004, 03:43 PM

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Oct 31 2004, 03:39 PM
I, for one, would love to see mandatory national service of some kind for EVERYONE between 18-20. I would love to see Grogan, for example, offered the alternative of two years active duty (four years reserve service) or two years tutoring in an inner city school.
I agree with this
and national service doesn't have to necessarily be armed services either
bridges need painting, roadsides need to be cleaned up, etc.
stuff that our tax dollars pay for anyways....

PornoDoggy

10-31-2004, 03:49 PM

Originally posted by SykkBoy+Oct 31 2004, 03:44 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SykkBoy @ Oct 31 2004, 03:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-PornoDoggy@Oct 31 2004, 03:39 PM
I, for one, would love to see mandatory national service of some kind for EVERYONE between 18-20. I would love to see Grogan, for example, offered the alternative of two years active duty (four years reserve service) or two years tutoring in an inner city school.
I agree with this
and national service doesn't have to necessarily be armed services either
bridges need painting, roadsides need to be cleaned up, etc.
stuff that our tax dollars pay for anyways.... [/b][/quote]
My daughter earned some college money two different summers tutoring reading impaired kids. Unfortunately, the third year the project had been contracted out to a faith-based agency, and my daughter didn't share the faith of the folks that ran it.

pushpills

10-31-2004, 04:39 PM

I'm pretty sure there will never be a draft in my lifetime.

However, I would ditch off to my stepmoms relatives in germany probably.

Have some fun-fun-fun on the autobahn.

Rolo

10-31-2004, 05:06 PM

Draft is a bad idea - why use more soldiers, when there are other ways to fight wars today? Iran, Cuba are places where "controlled ideology" revolts are possible. North Korea can probably be bought. Syria will change when the mullahs in Iran are gone. African countries will be able to take care of their own problems, IF western countries use the aid to force change.

IMHO, mandatory national service for young male/females is not good - I understand the idea, but I think that freedom also includes the freedom to be a "Grogan" :awinky:

Buff

10-31-2004, 07:34 PM

There's no need for a draft -- if we need more soldiers, just increase pay and benefits high enough to draw them in. I guarantee you that if the starting salary for an E-1 in the service was $50,000/year tax free, we'd have more soldiers than people for them to kill.

Anthony

10-31-2004, 08:12 PM

Originally posted by Buff@Oct 31 2004, 04:35 PM
There's no need for a draft -- if we need more soldiers, just increase pay and benefits high enough to draw them in. I guarantee you that if the starting salary for an E-1 in the service was $50,000/year tax free, we'd have more soldiers than people for them to kill.
You mean instead of the 200 bucks a week they get now?

There would be a mad dash to signup.

As for the non existant draft. Been there done that. No one near me in the age group to go.

Peaches

10-31-2004, 10:17 PM

Right now every single branch, including the Guard and the Reserves, has met their recruitment goals. They are turning down people for VERY minor reasons. Merely lifting restrictions would beef the military up.

11-01-2004, 12:49 AM

Originally posted by SykkBoy+Oct 31 2004, 03:44 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SykkBoy @ Oct 31 2004, 03:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-PornoDoggy@Oct 31 2004, 03:39 PM
I, for one, would love to see mandatory national service of some kind for EVERYONE between 18-20. I would love to see Grogan, for example, offered the alternative of two years active duty (four years reserve service) or two years tutoring in an inner city school.
I agree with this
and national service doesn't have to necessarily be armed services either
bridges need painting, roadsides need to be cleaned up, etc.
stuff that our tax dollars pay for anyways.... [/b][/quote]
You would want grogan teaching your daughters!?

:lol:

There's so many things wrong with that concept & so many negative doors it could open up :biglaugh: I can just imagine the sexual harassment cases.
"Daddy, my substitute teacher asked me if asian people have squinty pussy lips"

:rolleyes:

Hell Puppy

11-01-2004, 02:00 AM

Originally posted by cj+Nov 1 2004, 12:50 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cj @ Nov 1 2004, 12:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by SykkBoy@Oct 31 2004, 03:44 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-PornoDoggy@Oct 31 2004, 03:39 PM
I, for one, would love to see mandatory national service of some kind for EVERYONE between 18-20. I would love to see Grogan, for example, offered the alternative of two years active duty (four years reserve service) or two years tutoring in an inner city school.
I agree with this
and national service doesn't have to necessarily be armed services either
bridges need painting, roadsides need to be cleaned up, etc.
stuff that our tax dollars pay for anyways....
You would want grogan teaching your daughters!?

:lol:

There's so many things wrong with that concept & so many negative doors it could open up :biglaugh: I can just imagine the sexual harassment cases.
"Daddy, my substitute teacher asked me if asian people have squinty pussy lips"

:rolleyes: [/b][/quote]
And imagine bridges and overpasses painted by GonZo...

They'd be godawful shades of pink and green....some strokes running vertical, others running horizontal....along with large blank missed spots that he never quite got around to finishing...

gonzo

11-01-2004, 02:52 AM

Originally posted by Hell Puppy+Nov 1 2004, 02:01 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hell Puppy @ Nov 1 2004, 02:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by cj@Nov 1 2004, 12:50 AM
Originally posted by SykkBoy@Oct 31 2004, 03:44 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-PornoDoggy@Oct 31 2004, 03:39 PM
I, for one, would love to see mandatory national service of some kind for EVERYONE between 18-20. I would love to see Grogan, for example, offered the alternative of two years active duty (four years reserve service) or two years tutoring in an inner city school.
I agree with this
and national service doesn't have to necessarily be armed services either
bridges need painting, roadsides need to be cleaned up, etc.
stuff that our tax dollars pay for anyways....
You would want grogan teaching your daughters!?

:lol:

There's so many things wrong with that concept & so many negative doors it could open up :biglaugh: I can just imagine the sexual harassment cases.
"Daddy, my substitute teacher asked me if asian people have squinty pussy lips"

:rolleyes:
And imagine bridges and overpasses painted by GonZo...

They'd be godawful shades of pink and green....some strokes running vertical, others running horizontal....along with large blank missed spots that he never quite got around to finishing... [/b][/quote]
Sounds like a perfectly good color scheme to me. People dont pay attention if you miss a few spots. Sometimes you cant find where you left off after lunch.

PornoDoggy

11-01-2004, 08:27 AM

Originally posted by pushpills@Oct 31 2004, 04:40 PM
I'm pretty sure there will never be a draft in my lifetime.

However, I would ditch off to my stepmoms relatives in germany probably.

Have some fun-fun-fun on the autobahn.
Oh, and for the record - during the Vietnam War, only pussies went to Canada. The folks with the guts and integrity of their convictions went to jail.

I rest my case.

pushpills

11-01-2004, 08:31 AM

Originally posted by PornoDoggy+Nov 1 2004, 07:28 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PornoDoggy @ Nov 1 2004, 07:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-pushpills@Oct 31 2004, 04:40 PM
I'm pretty sure there will never be a draft in my lifetime.

However, I would ditch off to my stepmoms relatives in germany probably.

Have some fun-fun-fun on the autobahn.
Oh, and for the record - during the Vietnam War, only pussies went to Canada. The folks with the guts and integrity of their convictions went to jail.

I rest my case. [/b][/quote]
Yep. My reasoning, better to be a pussy in canada/germany than in a war or dead or in jail.

Of course, I would claim to be a religious freak and try to get out of it before fleeing the country.

dantheman

11-01-2004, 09:17 AM

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Oct 31 2004, 03:39 PM

I, for one, would love to see mandatory national service of some kind for EVERYONE between 18-20. I would love to see Grogan, for example, offered the alternative of two years active duty (four years reserve service) or two years tutoring in an inner city school.
never know when we might agree on something :)

KeyGuy

11-01-2004, 04:50 PM

Originally posted by Peaches@Oct 31 2004, 07:18 PM
Right now every single branch, including the Guard and the Reserves, has met their recruitment goals. They are turning down people for VERY minor reasons. Merely lifting restrictions would beef the military up.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1232092/posts

If you don't think there will be a draft, think again. Would you enlist in a military that sends its soldiers off to war in unarmored vehicles and has to have radio shack walkie talkies sent from home just to communicate? Ref: 60 minutes Sunday night.

Peaches

11-01-2004, 04:59 PM

Originally posted by KeyGuy@Nov 1 2004, 05:51 PM
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1232092/posts

If you don't think there will be a draft, think again. Would you enlist in a military that sends its soldiers off to war in unarmored vehicles and has to have radio shack walkie talkies sent from home just to communicate? Ref: 60 minutes Sunday night.
Well, men and women are still enlisting every single day :)

If you're worried about getting the soldiers better care and protection in Iraq, start lobbying your local congressman(woman) to increase the funding towards the military.

Speaking of money for the military, here's a good article on why the draft will never work:

http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/wars/a/draft.htm

KeyGuy

11-01-2004, 05:15 PM

Originally posted by Peaches+Nov 1 2004, 02:00 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Nov 1 2004, 02:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-KeyGuy@Nov 1 2004, 05:51 PM
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1232092/posts

If you don't think there will be a draft, think again. Would you enlist in a military that sends its soldiers off to war in unarmored vehicles and has to have radio shack walkie talkies sent from home just to communicate? Ref: 60 minutes Sunday night.
Well, men and women are still enlisting every single day :)

If you're worried about getting the soldiers better care and protection in Iraq, start lobbying your local congressman(woman) to increase the funding towards the military.

Speaking of money for the military, here's a good article on why the draft will never work:

http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/wars/a/draft.htm [/b][/quote]
"Any more questions about these bills? No? Good, let's continue. The Bush Administration has stated over and over and over again that they have no plans to re-institute a draft, that they don't think a draft is necessary, and they don't believe a draft would even be effective with the type of military we have today. Ladies and gentlemen, they couldn't have made their views any clearer. The current administration is against a draft. They have said so, publicly, and loudly, at least 100 times"

Would you really believe anyone that would quote Bush? He also said there was WMD and terrorist bases in Iraq. Oh yeah, and one of my fav's that the Iraqui people would greet us as liberators. Now we are in a quagmire. And remember one thing. Airpower alone has never won a war. Probably never will. However, cardboard Humvees can certainly lose one.

eth0

11-01-2004, 09:55 PM

I think as long as Kerry is president we won't have to worry about a draft..and if Bush is re-elected and there is a draft, i would wait till they made me go!

sarettah

11-01-2004, 10:04 PM

It does not matter whether it is Bush or Kerry in there as regards a draft.

If we get into another conflict that requires large numbers of troops and they can't get enough volunteers then there will be a draft.

18 year olds are still required to register for the draft, that has never stopped. That guarantees that if we need to raise a large number of troops quickly, we can.

I really do not think there is any more or less likelihood of a draft based on which party is in control of the White House. During Vietnam, we had drafts during Democratic administartions and Republican administrations, didn't matter much.

Since I personally think that we will have active troops in Iraq for at least 10 years and the likelihood of another large conflict is (imho) pretty fucking high during the next 10 years, I would predict that there will be draft in that time.