Web Sites For Sale

[Opti]

Two separate deals.

Both are sold as turnkey operating sites and are offered with training and a period of changeover consultation if required.



Deal #1
Adult Linksite/Search Engine
http://www.sleekssickestporn.com

Online Since: Feb 2003 (http://whois.sc/sleekssickestporn.com)
Google Data: PR5 with 10,000+ indexed pages (http://www.google.com/search?q=allinurl:sleekssickestporn.com&hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&safe=off&filter=0) and around 800 backlinks (http://www.google.com/search?q=link:http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Esleekssickestporn %2Ecom)
Webmaster Traffic: approx 50 unique site submitters to the Webmaster Page (http://www.sleekssickestporn.com/cgi-bin/add.cgi) daily. 1096 New Sites (http://www.sleekssickestporn.com/New/) were accepted and added in the last 30 days. 2000 webmasters in submitter database.
Surfer Traffic: 5000 uniques per day. Estimated 1000-1500/day in Bookmark traffic. Hard link trades with around 100 other established pr4/5/6 linksites.



I will take $5,000 for the site... BUT taking your minimum is no fun, and I would really prefer to get $10,000 for it, so thought I would run a Dutch Auction over the weekend.

Right now I am asking $10,000 for the site and hoping someone reading will think that's a good buy for them. In 1 hour the price I will take drops by $100 to $9900 then next hour to $9800.. etc etc. Start time is based on this post... it ends when the first person bids or we hit the reserve 50 hours from now.


How to buy it: Transfer 10% of the current price to epassporte.com account name flashcash_wm17191 ($1,000 right now) first in, best dressed.


Terms: You get access to the site admin and can take over operation now. You will be shown how to switch in your own advertising or have me do it for you. You can access all available server stats. You will have up to 30 days to arrange your own hosting and pay the balance, at which time I will help you move everything in an orderly way and transfer the domain. If you decide not to go ahead with the purchase after trying the site, that's fine, but you must advise me within 21 days and the 10% deposit is not refundable.

A part time employee currently reviews site submissions and handles day to day operations. He is available to continue the job after the sale if you wish. You can send 1 e-mail to the webmaster database to test the response. (I will need to approve it)


To help make your purchase successful I will contribute 50% of whatever you pay above my $5000 minimum into either a webmaster advertising package here on Oprano... or in surfer traffic from http://www.adult.trafficrouter.com/ (on successful completion)

ie: buy it right now, and you will also get your choice of $2,500 in Oprano advertising, $2500 in a traffic router account or a mix of both.






Deal #2
Complete Adult Business $100k ($80k reserve)

This is a well established 5 year old adult freesite business operation based around a well known Link List site. The owner has moved into a major offline business, has no time to continue and is looking to cash-up from adult completely.

Although I don't own this one personally, I am happy to publicly vouch for the owner (for anyone that thinks that carries any weight :P)

This would suit a paysite operator, with a varied portfolio of sites, as a vehicle to push your own sites and/or attract affiliate program webmasters from the freesite builder market (as opposed to TGP builders). A buyer will need to continue running and developing the business in the same style as it has been to make this a worthwhile buy. There is no type-in domains or any other intrinsic value to be had. If you are an investor, you will need a good operator who cares about doing a good job to make this work. Would best suit a married couple as a turnkey small business I think.

There is too many details and he prefers to remain discreet anyway, so interested people please send an ICQ messsage to 2556404 including Your Name and an E-Mail address I can send you more information at. Anon requests using hotmail will not be answered.

He will take 80k for this but would like 100k, again it's a Dutch Auction, starting now at $100,000 and dropping by $400 per hour until sold or it hits reserve.


How to buy it: Transfer 1% of the current hour's sale price to epassporte.com account name flashcash_wm17191 ($1,000 right now) and be prepared to pay a further 9% by wire on Monday.

Terms: You get access to the main site's admins and can take over operation from Monday. You will be shown how to switch in your own advertising or have it done for you. You can access all available server stats. You will have 30 days to arrange your own hosting and pay the balance, at which time you may move everything to your own hosting and will be transferred all domains etc. If you decide not to go ahead with the purchase after trying the site, that's fine, but you must advise him within 21 days and the 10% deposit is not refundable.


Again, you will get 50% of whatever you pay above the reserve price in Webmaster or Surfer advertising on successful completion of the sale. Right now that's a $10,000 advertising package on Oprano or $10,000 credit in an http://www.adult.trafficrouter.com/ account.









* If a buyer doesn't want to take the advertising, You can choose to have that money donated, in your name, to Pattycake for her kids charity work (and take any tax benefit).

* If you don't have Epassporte... and you don't know me very well personally, you can try and convince Mike, Serge, Gonzo or Cj to post your bid, saying that Oprano Family knows your epassporteless ass well enough to be sure you will send a wire before Noon Monday. That's about the only other way I can think of to make an auction bid over the weekend that I will accept.

(you can pay any way you like if a site doesnt sell in the next 50 hours and you want it later at the reserve price)

* No ICQ or More Questions? email opti[@]celebritybling.com but I will be off for a lunch date soon and wont be able to monitor this constantly anyway, so don't snooze or you might lose as I am about to go out and get on the booze! :)


Cj, Toyboy, Jim and few others know my cell number if the world ends whilst I am not here btw ;-)

[Opti]

Deal #1 now $9,700 (ad bonus $2350)

Deal #2 now $98,800 (ad bonus $9400)

[RawAlex]

Opti, bailing?

Alex

[Opti]

Nah.. first one is simply an unecessary distraction... and the second lot is a friend's business.. imagine you know him :)

I'll send you a copy of the run down

[sarettah]

Good luck Opti :okthumb:

anything above $10.00 U.S. is out of my league this week :(

[Opti]

Originally posted by sarettah@Oct 16 2004, 04:12 PM
Good luck Opti :okthumb:

anything above $10.00 U.S. is out of my league this week :(
Can help with that if you have time for a small php/mysql coding job?

[Dravyk]

Amazing how closely deal #1 is to my links list. Except I have more on it than that. hehe Hmmm. Now you're giving me ideas, Opti. :)

[Opti]

Deal #1 now $9,400 (ad bonus $2200)

Deal #2 now $97,600 (ad bonus $8800)



* For the rest of this hour, I'll bump up the ad-bonus or donation by an extra 50% for anyone on the verge of jumping in. ;-)

That makes it $3,300 for Sleeks or $13,200 for the big package for any bid in the next 30 odd mins.

tic tic

[Opti]

Originally posted by Dravyk@Oct 16 2004, 06:48 PM
Amazing how closely deal #1 is to my links list. Except I have more on it than that. hehe Hmmm. Now you're giving me ideas, Opti. :)
hehe, you are not the first to say that Drav!

Someone just asked if I would run a similar sort of thing for their site too (thinking I might like an online auctioneer job already) yabada yibada yabada SOLD :)


if all goes well with this maybe get together and do one next weekend! "The Wacky Weekend Website Sale" at Oprano might be interesting regular weekend entertainment too!

Free Porn List would be worth more than Sleeks for certain... hard to find a buyer at what a really good old linksite like that is actually worth though. Worth to someone who has been running it for years I mean. And I'm as intersted as you to see what the big one pulls... that's pretty much equivalent in age and reach to the bulk of my linksite/freesite stuff.

[cj]

>hard to find a buyer at what a really good old linksite like that is actually worth though

something is only worth what a buyer is prepared to pay!

[Nickatilynx]

Surely the price would be a multiple of provable monthly Income , wouldn't it ?

Mark Tiarra used to run something like this back in the day didn't he?

I remember 12mths income being the price somewhere.

Though in this day and age , 4 would be more likely.

[Opti]

Asking around beforehand, some people talked about 3 months income as the value Nick!... I guess it's a personal thing.. a linksite should be safe to back on being able to maintain income for 12 months imho.

The second lot is expensive, Its not for bargain hunters, and will take commitment to get the best value out of.. But I doubt the opportunity to buy a setup like this off soemone who has been quietly successful for so long comes up very often. To the right person it will be a gift ;-)





Time to get serious..

For the rest of this hour, And for the Next Hour... bid for #2.... and you can have site #1 thrown in Free Of Charge



#1 is now down to $8,100 (ad-bonus $1,550)

#2 is now at $92,400 (ad-bonus $6,200)

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Opti@Oct 16 2004, 03:15 PM
Asking around beforehand, some people talked about 3 months income as the value Nick!... I guess it's a personal thing.. a linksite should be safe to back on being able to maintain income for 12 months imho.

The second lot is expensive, Its not for bargain hunters, and will take commitment to get the best value out of.. But I doubt the opportunity to buy a setup like this off soemone who has been quietly successful for so long comes up very often. To the right person it will be a gift ;-)





Time to get serious..

For the rest of this hour, And for the Next Hour... bid for #2.... and you can have site #1 thrown in Free Of Charge



#1 is now down to $8,100 (ad-bonus $1,550)

#2 is now at $92,400 (ad-bonus $6,200)
Im watching to see how this turns out. Interesting Opti!

[Opti]

23 hours down. . . .


#1 is now $7,700 (ad-bonus $1,350)

#2 is now $90,800 (ad-bonus $5,400)




Is anyone else getting excited yet? :P

[Opti]

For the Alturistic amongst you... an incentive to end this before the halfway mark!

How would a $10,000 donation to Pattycake's Kids go toward swaying you to buy right now?


If you want to bid on #2 and plan to donate your ad-bonus to Pattycake, I'll match it.

If you decide to bid on #1 before the end of the 25th hour, and are prepared to pay the opening price of 10k... I will match your generosity and give the lot to Pattycake, so she gets $10,000 from that too!


(you can't get enough good kharma with xmas approaching... bargain at twice the price imho) ;-)

[Opti]

Hmmm. Sorry Kids :(


28 hours down. . . .


#1 is now $7,200 (ad-bonus $1,150)

#2 is now $88,800 (ad-bonus $4,400)



Oh well, maybe appealing to a more business related motivation this time! :D


For a bid on either before the end of hour 30.. I will throw in a new managed dedicated server at http://www.xxxhostit.com/deds.html, including setup and 3 months base costs. With 1mbps bandwidth for #1 or with 5mbps for #2

[sarettah]

Originally posted by cj@Oct 16 2004, 05:26 AM
>hard to find a buyer at what a really good old linksite like that is actually worth though

something is only worth what a buyer is prepared to pay!
:okthumb:

"Value in economics is a realtionship between an individual and a thing or a service. It is a personal relationship that expresses how much a particular individual desires a thing or a service." (Robert Heinlein 1939)

*************************************************

Heinlein on value from "For Us, The Living:"

"Economic value of a thing or a service approximates the average of the summation of the personal values placed on the thing or service by the individuals who constitute the consuming public. Value plus purchasing power in the hands of the consuming public constitutes effective demand. Price is a function of supply and demand. Value may be expressed in dollars and cents through this complex functional relationship, but value is not price, and is not a measure of work-hours, it is a word used to express the desire of an individual to possess a thing or service. I am not giving the word a new definition; I am simply stating explicitly
the observed fact that such is what people mean when they refer to value. Sale takes place when the value to the prospective buyer is higher than the value to the owner. Note the difference between Marx's idea of value and what I have expressed. Marx attempts to measure value by the amount of labor extended. Yet it is an obvious fact in the real world that an inefficient, careless, or unimaginative worker can slave for hours to produce an article practically worthless that the public wont' buy, valueless. An intelligent skilful inventive worker may turn out in a short time an article that the public will snap up at once at a high price. Which has the greater value?"

[Opti]

Very interesting Sarettah! That's pretty much what this is about, establishing a value for this stuff. There is a thousand people to buy bargain basement old sites.. but an established adult business is another matter.

Cj left out the context of my first quote btw ;-)
hard to find a buyer at what a really good old linksite like that is actually worth though. Worth to someone who has been running it for years I mean.

I've spoken to two people who are interested in looking closely at #2, so the offered price on that is looking ok so far. Not a peep about Sleeks though! So maybe I overestimated market demand for that one, as I expected it would have gone by now :\ .. but we will find out for sure in the 12 hours! :)




38 Hours Down....

#1 is now $6,200 (ad-bonus $600) <-- I'll bump this up to the $1,000 min. needed for an Oprano Ad if someone puts me out of my misery right now! :P

#2 is now $84,800 (ad-bonus $2,400)

[Opti]

10 Hours Left...


#1 is now $6,000 (ad-bonus $500)

#2 is now $84,000 (ad-bonus $2,000)


If an affiliate program is thinking about picking one of these up this hour... I will throw in 10 Hosted Freesites designed by one of the most successful Linksite webmasters ever.. so you can target the market right from day one. This talent is priceless and you will be impressed when you find out who it is! (dont ask, just bid.. it cost$ to find out ;-) )




And for the next 5 hours I will throw out that offer about $10,000 for Pattycake's Kids charity again on site #1.. pay the opening price of 10K and all of it will be donated.


*Edit: If you are not an affiliate program... I will throw in a copy of Remote Thumbs (lite) (http://www.remotethumbs.com/perl/index.cgi?action=paid) to replace the free version currently being used as an Automated Thumb TGP (http://www.sleekssickestporn.com/galleries/) on the domain.

or a copy of Content God Pro (http://contentgod.com/) for #2 if you prefer that.

[Nickatilynx]

If someone else icq's me for my opinion on this auction , I'll be pissed !!!

I'm trying to play poker , whilst maintaining the tried and tested Thanksgiving ploy of:


""Ahh my darling , I'd love to help cook:clean: hold the baby: change the baby: but as you can see I'm real busy on the computer at the moment.""


But judging from the annoyances Opti , you might have found something that could be a regular thing.

[Opti]

hehehe... I hate it... I am having great fun actually... no one anooying at all! (well one person.. who knows who they are!) :P

I'll be pissed if we end at the reserve! 1 person has said they will take #1 now at reserve btw... so, if he was serious.. and i think he is.... that one will be sold today!


* Thanks for the help too Nick.. sorry about Sunday poker night ;-)

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Opti@Oct 17 2004, 02:33 PM
hehehe... I hate it... I am having great fun actually... no one anooying at all! (well one person.. who knows who they are!) :P

I'll be pissed if we end at the reserve! 1 person has said they will take #1 now at reserve btw... so, if he was serious.. and i think he is.... that one will be sold today!


* Thanks for the help too Nick.. sorry about Sunday poker night ;-)
I told you I thought it was interesting!

Better than spending 100K+ for one of Brad "little weasel" Tukhman Shaws turnkey sites!

[Nickatilynx]

My money is on that homo Dravyk hitting me up next when he rises from his crypt...


;-)))

Always a pleasure talking with you opti and gonzo

My problem is with dravyk.

That cocksucker could bore for The USA if it ever became an olympic event!

;-)))))))

[sarettah]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Oct 17 2004, 02:27 PM
If someone else icq's me for my opinion on this auction , I'll be pissed !!!

Hey Nick, you got icq :groucho:

[gonzo]

Originally posted by sarettah+Oct 17 2004, 03:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (sarettah @ Oct 17 2004, 03:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@Oct 17 2004, 02:27 PM
If someone else icq's me for my opinion on this auction , I'll be pissed !!!

Hey Nick, you got icq :groucho: [/b][/quote]
I think hes ignoring us.

[Opti]

Originally posted by gonzo@Oct 18 2004, 05:46 AM
I told you I thought it was interesting!

Better than spending 100K+ for one of Brad "little weasel" Tukhman Shaws turnkey sites!
NOW that's an idea!! Put together purpose built packages from scratch.... An Oprano expert from each area picks the key bits.

Domain, Design, Content, Marketing.

A turnkey package put together by successful people in each area... do one per month.. start on Friday Midnight at 100k if thats Brad's price... fuck it start at 500k and go down $10,000 per hour for the weekend all the way to $0... that's putting your balls on the line for the gamblers too! :D

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by sarettah+Oct 17 2004, 12:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (sarettah @ Oct 17 2004, 12:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Nickatilynx@Oct 17 2004, 02:27 PM
If someone else icq's me for my opinion on this auction , I'll be pissed !!!

Hey Nick, you got icq :groucho: [/b][/quote]
BASTARD!!!!! HOMO!!!!



;-)))

[Opti]

Hey Nick!! Get your man on ICQ :) I can feel the hammer swinging :P




#1 is now $5,800 (ad-bonus $400)

#2 is now $83,600 (ad-bonus $1,800)

[AkiraSS]

Opti, ICQ me: 17630227

[Opti]

Originally posted by AkiraSS@Oct 18 2004, 07:01 AM
Opti, ICQ me: 17630227
Do I look like your bitch?

Do I know you?

My ICQ is up above.

[gonzo]

Not to jack Opti's thread but I will throw this out. Anybody have a small group of sites with an existing webmaster program they would be interested in selling or partnering off with?

[Opti]

Originally posted by gonzo@Oct 18 2004, 07:15 AM
Not to jack Opti's thread but I will throw this out. Anybody have a small group of sites with an existing webmaster program they would be interested in selling or partnering off with?
Hows that NOT Jacking the thread?

Wait till the end Gonzo ...please!

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Opti+Oct 17 2004, 04:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Opti @ Oct 17 2004, 04:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-gonzo@Oct 18 2004, 07:15 AM
Not to jack Opti's thread but I will throw this out. Anybody have a small group of sites with an existing webmaster program they would be interested in selling or partnering off with?
Hows that NOT Jacking the thread?

Wait till the end Gonzo ...please! [/b][/quote]
Im just fucking with you. I like this dutch auction idea youve got going. Im interested to see how it ends up. Good experiment!

[Opti]

I know you are with it Gonzo! :)

It may not look like it... but it's actually getting exciting here. ;-)



#1 is now $5,700 (ad-bonus $350)

#2 is now $83,200 (ad-bonus $1,600)

[Opti]

Double the Ad-Bonus on either site if someone lets me stop sweating in the next 30 minutes!

that's $700 in Oprano Ads or $700 of surfer clicks from Adult Traffic Router for #1 and $3600 on #2


Or.... $700/$3600 worth of design work from http://Urbx.com if that is tastier sounding!

[sarettah]

Originally posted by Opti+Oct 17 2004, 04:11 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Opti @ Oct 17 2004, 04:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-AkiraSS@Oct 18 2004, 07:01 AM
Opti, ICQ me: 17630227
Do I look like your bitch?

Do I know you?

My ICQ is up above. [/b][/quote]
rotflmfao....

You gotta love business on Oprano :yowsa:

[sarettah]

Hey Opti, are you gonna let this thing turn the corner ? Meaning, if you get down to the reserve and someone bids are you going to let it go back up, ya know like a regular auction ?

[Opti]

Originally posted by sarettah@Oct 18 2004, 08:07 AM
Hey Opti, are you gonna let this thing turn the corner ? Meaning, if you get down to the reserve and someone bids are you going to let it go back up, ya know like a regular auction ?
Is that how this works????? COOL.. like that idea.

But no, that wasnt the plan... was thinking a weekend thing.. starting at a dream price... dropping to a cheap price... and let anyone negotiate it out afterward if they like. (I hadnt really thought it would get to reserve, not #1 anyway!)



AkiraSS did know me btw.. and is a good guy ;-) wouldnt want to deal with someone I didnt know that said that as an opener. :P

[Opti]

Shite ya blighters!!

bend me over and take me now!


#1 is now $5,600 (ad-bonus $300)

#2 is now $82,800 (ad-bonus $1,400)

[Opti]

Ok.. thanks for making me sweat and ruining that nice excited feeling guys :\


#1 is now $5,500 (ad-bonus $250)

#2 is now $82,400 (ad-bonus $1,200)



In both cases, you can take double on the ad-bonus... $500/$2400.. and spend it on surfer traffic, webmaster traffic, design by Urbx or hosting with XXXhostit... just please don't let another hour pass, or the jitters may start :(

[Opti]

Drum Roll.... and the last hour arrives.. (money shot moment)

#1 is $5,050

#2 is $80,200



If you genuinely want site #1.. take it now. it's off the market at the end, it's not worth me selling this cheaply, if it doesnt happen here and now.

[Opti]

Thankyou linesmen, thankyou ballboys, game over!

I hope no one minded me talking to myself here all weekend ;-)


I wanted to post a run down of what happened for people interested right now, but have my hands full, so will do it a little later.. I made 2 great contacts and learned a bunch of stuff at the very least.. will share soon.



Please do any "Hijacking" you like now Gonzo :)



PS... I made a small donation to Pattyecake as some compensation for the shameless exploitation of her name.. Pattyes Kids (http://www.pattyeskids.com/)

[Kevin]

Thanks for pointing me to this thread Opti it was very interesting :P

[Kevin]

Originally posted by gonzo@Oct 17 2004, 01:15 PM
Not to jack Opti's thread but I will throw this out. Anybody have a small group of sites with an existing webmaster program they would be interested in selling or partnering off with?
Gonzo I have added you to ICQ as I wanted to know more about the partnering off you mentioned.

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Kevin+Oct 17 2004, 11:09 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Kevin @ Oct 17 2004, 11:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-gonzo@Oct 17 2004, 01:15 PM
Not to jack Opti's thread but I will throw this out. Anybody have a small group of sites with an existing webmaster program they would be interested in selling or partnering off with?
Gonzo I have added you to ICQ as I wanted to know more about the partnering off you mentioned. [/b][/quote]
Hit me up on ICQ . .
The only Kevin I know is overseas right now with my favorite tech geek chick. So I didnt add you in but I didnt ignore you either!

I started to piggy back Opti's experiment as well... seems that my brief post also started 2 biz conversations tonight as well.

Who says Oprano is slow on Sunday night?

[Kevin]

LOL I am overseas in Australia just below where Opti lives :)

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Kevin@Oct 17 2004, 11:22 PM
LOL I am overseas in Australia just below where Opti lives :)
I guess your last name isnt Mitnick then!

[Kevin]

No I'm not that famous :)

[Opti]

Originally posted by gonzo@Oct 18 2004, 02:20 PM

Who says Oprano is slow on Sunday night?
not me! and not the stats out front either. ;-)

http://www.sleekssickestporn.com/opranostats.gif

The last stat is the one I mean, for those going "huh?" :P

Most users ever online was 205 on Oct 18 2004, 01:33 AM

Musta just been reset.. or a co-incidence... or maybe Lee's new ass strecthing website in that other thread! :yowsa:

[Opti]

Friday night, a good mate who has been talking about an industry exit for a few weeks sent a rough run down of the assets he wanted to move.. and said he wanted $80k and how would I go about selling it.

I couldn't see an easy way to get anyone I knew with that sort of cash to even read his list of stuff, let alone buy it, but I wanted to at least see if I could help him establish a value without getting cut to ribbons by posting asking for opinions on a message board... so I started penning a post and it just turned into a dutch auction.. and seemed like it would be far more interesting if there was also a cheaper site, so I added my linksite.

As far as the goal of getting #2 looked at went, about 12 people saw the list, 2 people sounded like they will seriously look at Paul's proposition and 1 person said they would be fairly sure to pay $45k for it if he ever wanted to discuss that sort of price.

So, as long as I didn't piss anyone off.. I enjoyed myself and got a far better result than expected for what I wanted to achieve at the start.




It's probably easier to answer a few questions people asked rather than rave on.




* Why not just tell us what the sites earn?

I didn't want to get into proving anything this weekend, nor take a risk on guaranteeing anything. Those that spoke to me personally have a fairly accurate guess what #2 will earn next month. For the curious that cant deal with any other valuation method than multiplication of income.. #1 is 1-2k/mth and #2 is 5-15k/mth (thats a wide range as its not my business to be posting anything more exact)




* Did you really expect anyone to spend 80k without research time?

No. but after what I saw I think people will spend 80k if given the research time and more information




* No one on Oprano could understand where the value was in these sites!

That's why I kept trying to frame the deal toward an affiliate program owner, to make it relevant.. I think with more time and a little planning, I could do a far better job of that part. FYI I "think" every serious buyer was a freesite orientated webmaster, so some serious business people that don't own paysites seem to read the board already.. I for one wouldn't mind a bit more talk about dollars amongst the politics and the sort of people attracted to this sort of thread are just the type of webmasters I want to know.




* You didn't think anyone would pay 10k for your site so you never expected to donate that money!

The second time I posted the offer, that was exactly what I was angling for and genuinely thought someone was going to do it! By that stage I was thinking more about establishing a market price for next week than any personal profit this week.




* Selling websites just screams "failure"

Here is a good example of 2 deals that don't scream failure.. And that would be a major selling point for mine if I end up doing this again... You are buying something you can have more confidence in purchasing than usual... If we can find quality sites regularly, and build up a few happy buyers as references.




* No One has any money right now

Many people I have known long term are having the best year of their careers, GFY is aflood with people buying second hand sites and trying to resell them at profit, there seems to buyers everywhere to me.

There is no forum or place to sell an actual operating business though. And none where you can buy from someone and feel like there is any guarantees.. it's just too hard to buy or sell a site like the ones above.. but I really think there is a market for it and value to be had.



This is too long anyway now.. so i wont go on.. but there is a whole bunch of areas i see spin off potential in (as I tried to demonstrate to some extent) so, if someone wants to encourage me... I'll probably have a think about this one, do a little work and see if I can have a another go at this in 2 weeks time. Probably not just linksites next time, but once again, hard to sell/buy businesses. Drav, I'd like to talk about doing Free Porn List if you are up for it genuinely.




I promise thats the last long post (I hate them myself) and thanks to all that supported or participated.

[Dravyk]

Not totally sure what you have in mind, Opti, but hey, that's cool. Let's gab and see what's what, mate. I'm always open to any and all ideas on a wide range of areas: buying, selling, joint ventures, strategic partnerships ... :)

Drop me an E at dravyk at dirtygloves dot com

[Erik]

Good luck with the sale Brad. I know you have put alot of work into Sleeks

The right buyer could do wonders with the great base Brad has setup here.

[Weg Cory]

Originally posted by Kevin@Oct 17 2004, 08:35 PM
No I'm not that famous :)
Hey Kevin, how have you been?

I need your icq again, I switched to Fire and lost some...

[Kevin]

Hey Cory good to hear from you bud :) ICQ is 146156431

[Rolo]

Originally posted by gonzo@Oct 17 2004, 08:20 PM
The only Kevin I know is overseas right now with my favorite tech geek chick.
FYI - I see "kevinmitnick.com" is getting released from the root servers tomorrow... any idea, if it was a let go or if it was lost?

[Opti]

Hi Kev :awinky:

Thanks Erik! Why the fuck didnt you come and buy it then?? :D

Dravyk.. email on way ... sooonish ;-)





Quick update:

Here is possibilities for the future so far..


2 x E-Mail marketing systems.

* 1 is a small operation that incudes hardware/software he uses to send around 100k messages per day and comes with the email list of about 700k names. I'm told it's 90% deliverable, can-spam compliant and generates almost no complaints.

* 2 is hardware and software only. It's about $30k replacement value in hardware plus the owners custom software.

* A small AVS system that has been very succesful, with provable income between 5-10k/mth, but has lost it's billing solution.

* A whole bunch of paysites... a few that looked intersting in tight niches where the owners are sick of producing custom content for not enough income.

* A well known TGP..... for really big dollars with plenty of documentation to back it up

* 1 or 2 LL sites of better quality than Sleeks, that was for sale above. And possible a few cheaper ones.




What do people think?

What sort of information would I need to provide for an item above that might appeal to you?

How much time do people need to research a deal if they know there is a monthly auction for example? 1 week prior?

Is an unbiased opinion from someone who has had a chance to really look under the hood more valuable then straight income stats that may or may not be fudged? And what level/type of proof would satisfy most people?
(like if I could concince Nick to assess the email systems and put his name to an opinion for example) ;-)

[Dravyk]

Originally posted by Opti@Oct 18 2004, 10:19 PM
What sort of information would I need to provide for an item above that might appeal to you?

How much time do people need to research a deal if they know there is a monthly auction for example? 1 week prior?
IMHO:

- Traffic stats. If possible, both server-based and counter-based. (Server-based can be fudged, but if they are true they are most accurate. Counter stats are always short, but anyone experienced has a good idea of the percentage they are off by in order to verify the first.)

- How much of existing traffic is dependant upon other existing sites and will likely be turned away after purchase. (A lot of "amateurs" forget this baby! hehe)

- Current and historical monthly income of site.

- If site has potential and has been neglected or not worked to it's fullest, an accurate as possible estimate of what it could make at it's full potential (and something on which to base that estimate upon).

- Three days minimum to a week is enough time for someone to consider how a piece might fit into their own personal picture puzzle.

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Rolo+Oct 18 2004, 07:04 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Rolo @ Oct 18 2004, 07:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-gonzo@Oct 17 2004, 08:20 PM
The only Kevin I know is overseas right now with my favorite tech geek chick.
FYI - I see "kevinmitnick.com" is getting released from the root servers tomorrow... any idea, if it was a let go or if it was lost? [/b][/quote]
It has been secured. Small oversight. Kev remains master of his domain.

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Opti@Oct 18 2004, 08:19 PM

Quick update:

Here is possibilities for the future so far..


* A small AVS system that has been very succesful, with provable income between 5-10k/mth, but has lost it's billing solution.

* A whole bunch of paysites... a few that looked intersting in tight niches where the owners are sick of producing custom content for not enough income.

* 1 or 2 LL sites of better quality than Sleeks, that was for sale above. And possible a few cheaper ones.




What do people think?

What sort of information would I need to provide for an item above that might appeal to you?

How much time do people need to research a deal if they know there is a monthly auction for example? 1 week prior?

Is an unbiased opinion from someone who has had a chance to really look under the hood more valuable then straight income stats that may or may not be fudged? And what level/type of proof would satisfy most people?
(like if I could concince Nick to assess the email systems and put his name to an opinion for example) ;-)
These 2 are interesting...

[Opti]

Thanks Dravyk and Gonzo,

I have to give a run down to Dravyk about FPL, so I will expand a bit and copy it to you Gonzo.. with details about the sites etc.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Opti@Oct 19 2004, 06:52 AM
Thanks Dravyk and Gonzo,

I have to give a run down to Dravyk about FPL, so I will expand a bit and copy it to you Gonzo.. with details about the sites etc.
hurumph....cough!!!!


"What about , Nick?"


;-)))

[Opti]

Goes without saying cobber ;-)

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Oct 19 2004, 09:56 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Oct 19 2004, 09:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Opti@Oct 19 2004, 06:52 AM
Thanks Dravyk and Gonzo,

I have to give a run down to Dravyk about FPL, so I will expand a bit and copy it to you Gonzo.. with details about the sites etc.
hurumph....cough!!!!


"What about , Nick?"


;-))) [/b][/quote]
"porn is dead" Nickatilynx

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by gonzo+Oct 19 2004, 07:25 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gonzo @ Oct 19 2004, 07:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Oct 19 2004, 09:56 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Opti@Oct 19 2004, 06:52 AM
Thanks Dravyk and Gonzo,

I have to give a run down to Dravyk about FPL, so I will expand a bit and copy it to you Gonzo.. with details about the sites etc.
hurumph....cough!!!!


"What about , Nick?"


;-)))
"porn is dead" Nickatilynx [/b][/quote]
It may not be dead...but it is feeling a little under the weather.


;-))

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Oct 19 2004, 10:51 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Oct 19 2004, 10:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by gonzo@Oct 19 2004, 07:25 AM
Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Oct 19 2004, 09:56 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Opti@Oct 19 2004, 06:52 AM
Thanks Dravyk and Gonzo,

I have to give a run down to Dravyk about FPL, so I will expand a bit and copy it to you Gonzo.. with details about the sites etc.
hurumph....cough!!!!


"What about , Nick?"


;-)))
"porn is dead" Nickatilynx
It may not be dead...but it is feeling a little under the weather.


;-)) [/b][/quote]
Right now a lot of people are waiting for its fever to break. Its gonna get worse before it gets better!

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by gonzo+Oct 19 2004, 07:53 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gonzo @ Oct 19 2004, 07:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Oct 19 2004, 10:51 AM
Originally posted by gonzo@Oct 19 2004, 07:25 AM
Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Oct 19 2004, 09:56 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Opti@Oct 19 2004, 06:52 AM
Thanks Dravyk and Gonzo,

I have to give a run down to Dravyk about FPL, so I will expand a bit and copy it to you Gonzo.. with details about the sites etc.
hurumph....cough!!!!


"What about , Nick?"


;-)))
"porn is dead" Nickatilynx
It may not be dead...but it is feeling a little under the weather.


;-))
Right now a lot of people are waiting for its fever to break. Its gonna get worse before it gets better! [/b][/quote]
Well pop up blockers must have caused some serious ill effects , then the Ibill fiasco must have been put a lot on life support....

Porn will always be around...


BUT....

I think the days of having several paysite proggies pulling in 3500 joins a day , and a few top flight affilate being able to send 200 - 300 joins a day are gone for a long long while....


People leaving/dying ???

Absolutely , lots will.

However it is still relatively easy to net 150k -300k a yr ,from adult (including gambling etc) with some effort and knowledge.And thats not a bad living , working yr own hours , from home...etc etc

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Oct 19 2004, 11:05 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Oct 19 2004, 11:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by gonzo@Oct 19 2004, 07:53 AM
Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Oct 19 2004, 10:51 AM
Originally posted by gonzo@Oct 19 2004, 07:25 AM
Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Oct 19 2004, 09:56 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Opti@Oct 19 2004, 06:52 AM
Thanks Dravyk and Gonzo,

I have to give a run down to Dravyk about FPL, so I will expand a bit and copy it to you Gonzo.. with details about the sites etc.
hurumph....cough!!!!


"What about , Nick?"


;-)))
"porn is dead" Nickatilynx
It may not be dead...but it is feeling a little under the weather.


;-))
Right now a lot of people are waiting for its fever to break. Its gonna get worse before it gets better!
Well pop up blockers must have caused some serious ill effects , then the Ibill fiasco must have been put a lot on life support....

Porn will always be around...


BUT....

I think the days of having several paysite proggies pulling in 3500 joins a day , and a few top flight affilate being able to send 200 - 300 joins a day are gone for a long long while....


People leaving/dying ???

Absolutely , lots will.

However it is still relatively easy to net 150k -300k a yr ,from adult (including gambling etc) with some effort and knowledge.And thats not a bad living , working yr own hours , from home...etc etc [/b][/quote]
Its amusing to see how some people in all their astute glory that were unaware of how SP2 was going to impact the business model. Microsoft has an investment to protect and the popups/spyware/spam is/was eroding their market share. Im sure Bill Gates figures hes the only one that should profit off of Windows exploits.

I guess some people thought they would figure out a way around it when it was released. I see one weasel in Texas that crys about it each and every week. "Wahhhh... has anyone got around the pop up block yet?"

I know of 2 ways that defeats it right now. Maybe one should pay more attention to technology and cash flow and less time on Louis Vitton.

The days of marketing by getting together with your buddies to loudly exclaim how cool you are and hope everyone buys it are over. I dont think knowing all the good drug dealers and hookers in convention towns is going to be an intregal part of a anyones resume anymore either.

[Nickatilynx]

I dont think knowing all the good drug dealers and hookers in convention towns is going to be an intregal part of a anyones resume anymore either.



Awww fuck , I'm screwed then!!! LOL



Actually , I only ever went to one....

[Peaches]

Originally posted by gonzo@Oct 19 2004, 12:50 PM
I dont think knowing all the good drug dealers and hookers in convention towns is going to be an intregal part of a anyones resume anymore either.
SHIT!!! :(

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Oct 19 2004, 12:57 PM
Actually , I only ever went to one....
Drug dealer or hooker? B)

[Nickatilynx]

Both...




;-))


Close run thing over which cost more too ;-)))

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Oct 19 2004, 11:57 AM
I dont think knowing all the good drug dealers and hookers in convention towns is going to be an intregal part of a anyones resume anymore either.



Awww fuck , I'm screwed then!!! LOL



Actually , I only ever went to one....
I hear the bail bondsmen were bidding on your business!