I am a selfish Fuck

[OldJeff]

Forget Abortion, Gay Marrige, War on Terror.

My vote for Kerry is because I believe it is best for ME, and at the end of the day that is what really matter to all of us. What is best for ourselves.

I work in PORN

Something I believe is both moraly acceptable and constitutionally protected. The current administration does not share my feelings on this matter which is MOST important to me.

"Porn has no place in a decent society" - John Ashcroft

If the proposed changes to 2257 (written by Ashcroft) do not indicate to you that this admin is out to harm the internet porn industry in any way they can good luck, and I have this bridge for sale in Brooklyn.

This industry is covered by the First Amendment due to a 5-4 vote on the supreme court. A single judge replacement could mean life or death for the industry.

Judging by the Fundamentalist Christian Yo-Yo appointed as AG - I sure as hell don't want Bush putting judges on the supreme court.

I admit that with Kerry we don't know what we are getting, but I would rather take my chances with an unknown, then with someone that has already laid the groudwork for the attack on that which feeds me.

[Vick]

Old Jeff - I believe your an intelligent man and we agree on many issues

But (and I'll get flamed for this) I believe Ashcroft is better for the long term profitability of the porn industry than whomever Kerry will place in the AG position

The field need to be narrowed, the herd trimmed

One of the fews ways our industry will increase profitability is by government intervention
All porn peddlers like ourselves can't be done away with but some of the fringe (or major) guys could go

and I wouldn't want to be one of the test cases but
It's a chance I'll willing to take

and I know a line of thinking is well if the new 2257 (ambiguous language and enforcement and all) passes what's next

[Mike AI]

Jeff those are all valid points.

I am in a different situaton. I would be comfortable voting for Bush, even if he shut down the porn business. There is more to life then just a job. I can always find another job, start another company. I am concerned about Kerry being a Jimmy Carter, and weakening the US at a very critical juncture of our history. I want someone who is going to prosecute the war on terror vigerously.

I want someone who is going to slap Iran down for building nukes, not someone who wants to wheel and deal with them.

[dantheman]

to me that's not a good enough reason to vote for Kerry, and most people in this industry are saying and thinking the same way:(
my life, my kids life and way of life is WAY more important than a job.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Sep 3 2004, 11:18 AM
I want someone who is going to prosecute the war on terror vigerously.

you definately looking for the right man for the job,
Ashcroft just finished his first anti-terrorist trial
http://www.freep.com/news/locway/terror3e_20040903.htm

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by dantheman@Sep 3 2004, 11:22 AM
and way of life is WAY more important than a job.
Dan, I didn't know you were a Christian fundamentalist....do you ciover tits on your sites the way Asjcroft does on his?
;-))))

[Mike AI]

Serge, I would rather live in a country with no boobie and Ashcroft, then live in a Nation where we are a huge target.

Look what just happened in Russia. Do we need Al Quada do the same to us in the United States?

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Sep 3 2004, 11:31 AM
Serge, I would rather live in a country with no boobie and Ashcroft, then live in a Nation where we are a huge target.

Look what just happened in Russia. Do we need Al Quada do the same to us in the United States?
no, we do NOT. Mike, as you know, THIS is the MOST important election of yours and mine life times and I am unease at every direction I look.

maybe I'll follow the request iof my mother in law who says:
if you don't vote Bush-
please stay home
;-))

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Sep 3 2004, 11:55 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Sep 3 2004, 11:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mike AI@Sep 3 2004, 11:31 AM
Serge, I would rather live in a country with no boobie and Ashcroft, then live in a Nation where we are a huge target.

Look what just happened in Russia. Do we need Al Quada do the same to us in the United States?
no, we do NOT. Mike, as you know, THIS is the MOST important election of yours and mine life times and I am unease at every direction I look.

maybe I'll follow the request iof my mother in law who says:
if you don't vote Bush-
please stay home
;-)) [/b][/quote]
Serge I agree this is a major election. It is very important.

Honestly I am dissappointed that Democrats could not raise a candidate that
could beat Bush. Kerry is flawed in every way.... he has a lot of baggage, and
it is coming bak to haunt him.

With all of Bush's mistakes and problems, he is still neck and neck with Kerry - and maybe even leading.

Think about it. Bush is the most hated President in modern times.... yet he will probably win this election.

At the end of the day I am comfortable with the moron I know, and don't want to take a chance with a possible wishy washing moron I don't know.

[grimm]

Originally posted by Vick@Sep 3 2004, 04:49 AM
Old Jeff - I believe your an intelligent man and we agree on many issues

But (and I'll get flamed for this) I believe Ashcroft is better for the long term profitability of the porn industry than whomever Kerry will place in the AG position

The field need to be narrowed, the herd trimmed

One of the fews ways our industry will increase profitability is by government intervention
All porn peddlers like ourselves can't be done away with but some of the fringe (or major) guys could go

and I wouldn't want to be one of the test cases but
It's a chance I'll willing to take

and I know a line of thinking is well if the new 2257 (ambiguous language and enforcement and all) passes what's next
that being said, hes also the worst thing to happen to personal freedoms since Lincoln suspended habeus corpus.

[Winetalk.com]

grimm,
what are the personal freedoms YOU lost you miss the most?

[JoesHO]

HOGWASH!!!!

No American, no matter how liberal they are percieved to be, will allow any attacks to take place on our country!

the KEY difference is how to best stop that, so can anyone really with a straight face say they think GW has done a good job?

Hell he even says he could have done things " a little different"

[*KK*]

Grimmy in da house! ;)

[grimm]

Originally posted by JoesHO1@Sep 3 2004, 09:07 AM
HOGWASH!!!!

No American, no matter how liberal they are percieved to be, will allow any attacks to take place on our country!

the KEY difference is how to best stop that, so can anyone really with a straight face say they think GW has done a good job?

Hell he even says he could have done things " a little different"
which part is hogwash.

[grimm]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Sep 3 2004, 09:06 AM
grimm,
what are the personal freedoms YOU lost you miss the most?
the right to personal privacy is the on that irks me the most..


search and seizure is second. maybe a tie with being able to be held without a charge inevitably.


these all could effect anyone. think that the next time you go abroad with more than 10K in cash. the fact that you may be held indefinitely until they figure out what the 10K was for

[grimm]

Hey KK;)



Serge..also the freedom for you to kiss my big white ass;)

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by grimm+Sep 3 2004, 12:21 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (grimm @ Sep 3 2004, 12:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Serge_Oprano@Sep 3 2004, 09:06 AM
grimm,
what are the personal freedoms YOU lost you miss the most?
the right to personal privacy is the on that irks me the most..


search and seizure is second. maybe a tie with being able to be held without a charge inevitably.


these all could effect anyone. think that the next time you go abroad with more than 10K in cash. the fact that you may be held indefinitely until they figure out what the 10K was for [/b][/quote]
grimm,
should I point you out the laws you mentioned which:
were passed long before Bush?
(search and seizure)

should I point you out the laws you just _think_ are there and they are not?
(think that the next time you go abroad with more than 10K in cash.)
FYI, you can take unlimited amount og cash OUT of the country and bring IN when you declare it?


and for privacy...you post on the boards, what kind of privacy you are talking about??? You are an open book, due to your own chosing
;_)))

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by grimm@Sep 3 2004, 12:22 PM
Hey KK;)



Serge..also the freedom for you to kiss my big white ass;)
don't blame Bush for that, blame yourself,
it's YOUR fault you could never make enough money for me even to concider it!
;-))))

[grimm]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Sep 3 2004, 09:27 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Sep 3 2004, 09:27 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-grimm@Sep 3 2004, 12:22 PM
Hey KK;)



Serge..also the freedom for you to kiss my big white ass;)
don't blame Bush for that, blame yourself,
it's YOUR fault you could never make enough money for me even to concider it!
;-)))) [/b][/quote]
makes you wonder how much it would take;) your lips on my asss must cost quite a bit, and i heard it was pro bono.


and i dont blame bush. bush didnt pass the patriot act. that was the republican congress. he just didnt veto it.

dont give the man more power than he has, checks and balances exist for a reason.

[dantheman]

serge, I'm not, I just SEE the bigger picture

[JoesHO]

Originally posted by grimm+Sep 3 2004, 09:18 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (grimm @ Sep 3 2004, 09:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-JoesHO1@Sep 3 2004, 09:07 AM
HOGWASH!!!!

No American, no matter how liberal they are percieved to be, will allow any attacks to take place on our country!

the KEY difference is how to best stop that, so can anyone really with a straight face say they think GW has done a good job?

Hell he even says he could have done things " a little different"
which part is hogwash. [/b][/quote]
The thought that somehow Kerry would be weak on defending this country as president.

He is the ONLY one man enough to have fought for this country himself.
The WHOLE other side, balked at that same opportunity. ( except colin powell, but they leave him out of the picknics even, let alone any policy decisions... but what the fuck would he know, he is just some old retired genral right!!!!)

[grimm]

Originally posted by dantheman@Sep 3 2004, 09:44 AM
serge, I'm not, I just SEE the bigger picture
as do i, i just see the whole picture too

[Mike AI]

Lincoln was a Republican too Grimm - things turned out all right.

Please show me in the Constitution the part about "privacy", I spent 3 years in law school - and never could find the "privacy clause"

[*KK*]

The Patriot Act is the biggest load of shit ever. And the fact that Bush didn't veto it is also ridiculous. But then again, it serves his purpose to restrict what his potential competition can and can't do.

[JoesHO]

Originally posted by *KK*@Sep 3 2004, 10:44 AM
The Patriot Act is the biggest load of shit ever. And the fact that Bush didn't veto it is also ridiculous. But then again, it serves his purpose to restrict what his potential competition can and can't do.
are you implying, that if given the chance at four more years, Bush would try to act like a dictator? or that he has for the last four years? ( remeber I am easy to confuse)

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by *KK*@Sep 3 2004, 01:44 PM
The Patriot Act is the biggest load of shit ever. And the fact that Bush didn't veto it is also ridiculous. But then again, it serves his purpose to restrict what his potential competition can and can't do.


The Patriot Act has MAJOR flaws. It should be re-written to make it much narrower and focus on terrorist acts. It should not be used to arrest, harass, monitor normal criminals.

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by grimm@Sep 3 2004, 12:01 PM
that being said, hes also the worst thing to happen to personal freedoms since Lincoln suspended habeus corpus.
Worse than FDR locking up Japs and Germs?

[jimmyf]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Sep 3 2004, 08:18 AM
Jeff those are all valid points.

I am in a different situaton. I would be comfortable voting for Bush, even if he shut down the porn business. There is more to life then just a job. I can always find another job, start another company. I am concerned about Kerry being a Jimmy Carter, and weakening the US at a very critical juncture of our history. I want someone who is going to prosecute the war on terror vigerously.

I want someone who is going to slap Iran down for building nukes, not someone who wants to wheel and deal with them.
exactly

If I'm not alive want good is porn 2 me.

I swear though most people in this Ind. don't see it that way.

Now is not time time to be thinking about money...

[JoesHO]

Originally posted by Colin+Sep 3 2004, 03:28 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin @ Sep 3 2004, 03:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-grimm@Sep 3 2004, 12:01 PM
that being said, hes also the worst thing to happen to personal freedoms since Lincoln suspended habeus corpus.
Worse than FDR locking up Japs and Germs? [/b][/quote]
Or the Nixon years...... and Hoover?

[*KK*]

Originally posted by JoesHO1+Sep 3 2004, 04:12 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JoesHO1 @ Sep 3 2004, 04:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Colin@Sep 3 2004, 03:28 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-grimm@Sep 3 2004, 12:01 PM
that being said, hes also the worst thing to happen to personal freedoms since Lincoln suspended habeus corpus.
Worse than FDR locking up Japs and Germs?
Or the Nixon years...... and Hoover? [/b][/quote]
Hmmm, how about the McCarthy era?

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by *KK*+Sep 3 2004, 08:12 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (*KK* @ Sep 3 2004, 08:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by JoesHO1@Sep 3 2004, 04:12 PM
Originally posted by Colin@Sep 3 2004, 03:28 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-grimm@Sep 3 2004, 12:01 PM
that being said, hes also the worst thing to happen to personal freedoms since Lincoln suspended habeus corpus.
Worse than FDR locking up Japs and Germs?
Or the Nixon years...... and Hoover?
Hmmm, how about the McCarthy era? [/b][/quote]


What about carpetbaggers after civil war?

[*KK*]

Originally posted by Mike AI+Sep 3 2004, 05:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mike AI @ Sep 3 2004, 05:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by *KK*@Sep 3 2004, 08:12 PM
Originally posted by JoesHO1@Sep 3 2004, 04:12 PM
Originally posted by Colin@Sep 3 2004, 03:28 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-grimm@Sep 3 2004, 12:01 PM
that being said, hes also the worst thing to happen to personal freedoms since Lincoln suspended habeus corpus.
Worse than FDR locking up Japs and Germs?
Or the Nixon years...... and Hoover?
Hmmm, how about the McCarthy era?


What about carpetbaggers after civil war? [/b][/quote]
I think you just made Grimm's point.

[aeon]

Good fuckin' christ...they've done it brilliantly; got people so spazzed that the end of the world is nigh if you don't support the non-evil doers.

People do remember the cold war right? Us vs them...? Those evil ruskies are gonna destory our way of life. There's a commie at every corner waiting to subverse western culture?

They took a horrific attack, turned into a self-serving, power grabbing political agenda - invaded a sovereign nation & sacrificed over 1000 US kids based on *cough* faulty intelligence (which just happens to have the 4th largest oil reserve, the leader of whom tried to knock off our current pres's dad - guess where the Pres & VP made their money and who got those contracts?). Might I add - they seemed to have forgotten about the asshole responsible...while giving every gutter arab and his brother another reason to hate the US even more.

http://www.soton.ac.uk/~theatre/shows/gaz/images/1.jpg
remember this guy? Hello....no one brings this up while haliburton, unocal, the carlyle group are making billions...just a few months after they were hosting the taliban in Tx. Why don't you look at who Karzai worked for?

But you're safe now or safer! Terrorist attacks are down...or might I add - we said they were down but again, we were mistaken; they're really on the rise - seems we always "make mistakes" and admit them after the good PR had done it's job - we'll protect your children from the evil doers anyway, so who cares about things like "mistakes".

BTW -There's a terrorist attack impending. We have credible evidence but that evidence doesn't say when/where/how it will happen...we overheard two camel jockey's talking on a cell phone so we interpreted that as a threat.

Are you with us, or do you support those commie bastards, I mean evil doers? :salute:

[JoesHO]

Originally posted by aeon@Sep 3 2004, 07:36 PM
Good fuckin' christ...they've done it brilliantly; got people so spazzed that the end of the world is nigh if you don't support the non-evil doers.

People do remember the cold war right? Us vs them...? Those evil ruskies are gonna destory our way of life. There's a commie at every corner waiting to subverse western culture?

They took a horrific attack, turned into a self-serving, power grabbing political agenda - invaded a sovereign nation & sacrificed over 1000 US kids based on *cough* faulty intelligence (which just happens to have the 4th largest oil reserve, the leader of whom tried to knock off our current pres's dad - guess where the Pres & VP made their money and who got those contracts?). Might I add - they seemed to have forgotten about the asshole responsible...while giving every gutter arab and his brother another reason to hate the US even more.

http://www.soton.ac.uk/~theatre/shows/gaz/images/1.jpg
remember this guy? Hello....no one brings this up while haliburton, unocal, the carlyle group are making billions...just a few months after they were hosting the taliban in Tx. Why don't you look at who Karzai worked for?

But you're safe now or safer! Terrorist attacks are down...or might I add - we said they were down but again, we were mistaken; they're really on the rise - seems we always "make mistakes" and admit them after the good PR had done it's job - we'll protect your children from the evil doers anyway, so who cares about things like "mistakes".

BTW -There's a terrorist attack impending. We have credible evidence but that evidence doesn't say when/where/how it will happen...we overheard two camel jockey's talking on a cell phone so we interpreted that as a threat.

Are you with us, or do you support those commie bastards, I mean evil doers? :salute:
:salute:

The enemy within, is always the strongest one to defeat

[aeon]

Originally posted by JoesHO1@Sep 4 2004, 04:44 AM
:salute:

The enemy within, is always the strongest one to defeat
Don't agree with me. I hate hippy stoners even more than I do al queada, arab terrorists and camel jockey freedom fighters.

Give me a choice and I'd carpet bomb a greatful dead concert way before I'd bomb holy warriors.

When it comes down to a choice between hippy leftists and anyone else - all I have to say is "allah ackbar". If only the camel jockey's could selectively target.

[grimm]

Originally posted by Colin+Sep 3 2004, 03:28 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin @ Sep 3 2004, 03:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-grimm@Sep 3 2004, 12:01 PM
that being said, hes also the worst thing to happen to personal freedoms since Lincoln suspended habeus corpus.
Worse than FDR locking up Japs and Germs? [/b][/quote]
we are running very close to parallel with that at camp X Ray, arent we?

[grimm]

Originally posted by *KK*+Sep 3 2004, 05:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (*KK* @ Sep 3 2004, 05:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Mike AI@Sep 3 2004, 05:15 PM
Originally posted by *KK*@Sep 3 2004, 08:12 PM
Originally posted by JoesHO1@Sep 3 2004, 04:12 PM
Originally posted by Colin@Sep 3 2004, 03:28 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-grimm@Sep 3 2004, 12:01 PM
that being said, hes also the worst thing to happen to personal freedoms since Lincoln suspended habeus corpus.
Worse than FDR locking up Japs and Germs?
Or the Nixon years...... and Hoover?
Hmmm, how about the McCarthy era?


What about carpetbaggers after civil war?
I think you just made Grimm's point. [/b][/quote]
its nice when othes do the heavy lifting


:P

[JoesHO]

Originally posted by aeon+Sep 6 2004, 10:51 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (aeon @ Sep 6 2004, 10:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-JoesHO1@Sep 4 2004, 04:44 AM
:salute:

The enemy within, is always the strongest one to defeat
Don't agree with me. I hate hippy stoners even more than I do al queada, arab terrorists and camel jockey freedom fighters.

Give me a choice and I'd carpet bomb a greatful dead concert way before I'd bomb holy warriors.

When it comes down to a choice between hippy leftists and anyone else - all I have to say is "allah ackbar". If only the camel jockey's could selectively target. [/b][/quote]
I am a hippie.....YIPPIE!!!!! :zoinks:

[Dravyk]

Originally posted by JoesHO1@Sep 7 2004, 02:27 AM
I am a hippie.....YIPPIE!!!!! :zoinks:
Abbie Hoffman's ghost is sooooo confused right now. :agrin: