Republican National Convention

[Evil Chris]

It's certainly drawing a lot of people to it.

Nevermind inside, there were approx 400,000 people outside.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/29/...main/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/29/gop.main/index.html)

[Vick]

Originally posted by Evil Chris@Aug 30 2004, 10:09 AM
It's certainly drawing a lot of people to it.

Nevermind inside, there were approx 400,000 people outside.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/29/...main/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/29/gop.main/index.html)
Hell call me crazy but the convention is in Manhattan

I'd say there are about 1,537,195 people outside (give or take a few) and that's just on the Island

[Mike AI]

I guess unemployment must be higher, look at all the people who have so much free time on their hands.

I will not be shocked if the protests get violent. There are some groups out there who consider themselves anarchists..... If they do start trouble, I hope they get the beat down they deserve from the NYPD.

[Evil Chris]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Aug 30 2004, 11:33 AM
I guess unemployment must be higher, look at all the people who have so much free time on their hands.

I will not be shocked if the protests get violent. There are some groups out there who consider themselves anarchists..... If they do start trouble, I hope they get the beat down they deserve from the NYPD.
Kind of like opening day for baseball season? LOL

And I'm sure there are plenty of off duty NYPD's marching along too.

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by Evil Chris+Aug 30 2004, 12:01 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Evil Chris @ Aug 30 2004, 12:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mike AI@Aug 30 2004, 11:33 AM
I guess unemployment must be higher, look at all the people who have so much free time on their hands.

I will not be shocked if the protests get violent. There are some groups out there who consider themselves anarchists..... If they do start trouble, I hope they get the beat down they deserve from the NYPD.
Kind of like opening day for baseball season? LOL

And I'm sure there are plenty of off duty NYPD's marching along too. [/b][/quote]
You're joking right??

First I doubt there are many off duty NYPD officers doing anything - during big events these guys put in HUGE overtime hours.

With all the anarchists, and other leftist groups trying to cause trouble - this pulls away resources from potential MAJOR threats - especially those by terrorists.

Will be interesting to see how it turns out - hopefully everything will be peaceful, and there are no major problems.

[aeon]

Gotta book a flight...scored a shitload of oxycontin below wholesale.

NY here I come. :salute:

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by aeon@Aug 30 2004, 12:58 PM
Gotta book a flight...scored a shitload of oxycontin below wholesale.

NY here I come. :salute:


Store it in a cigar box!!

[SykkBoy]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Aug 30 2004, 10:33 AM
look at all the people who have so much free time on their hands.

like the people who post on these boards? :awinky:

[Evil Chris]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Aug 30 2004, 01:46 PM
Will be interesting to see how it turns out - hopefully everything will be peaceful, and there are no major problems.
I'm with you there Mike.

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by SykkBoy+Aug 30 2004, 01:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SykkBoy @ Aug 30 2004, 01:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mike AI@Aug 30 2004, 10:33 AM
look at all the people who have so much free time on their hands.

like the people who post on these boards? :awinky: [/b][/quote]


Well I cannot speak for others, but I have the ability to multi-task. So taking a few seconds out to make a post or 2 does not interfere with my work.

Look at the people protesting... these are not average Americans. Most of these groups are way on the fringes of society.

[Evil Chris]

Originally posted by Mike AI+Aug 30 2004, 02:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mike AI @ Aug 30 2004, 02:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by SykkBoy@Aug 30 2004, 01:17 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Mike AI@Aug 30 2004, 10:33 AM
look at all the people who have so much free time on their hands.

like the people who post on these boards? :awinky:


Well I cannot speak for others, but I have the ability to multi-task. So taking a few seconds out to make a post or 2 does not interfere with my work.

Look at the people protesting... these are not average Americans. Most of these groups are way on the fringes of society. [/b][/quote]
like the people who post on these boards? :lol:

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by Evil Chris+Aug 30 2004, 01:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Evil Chris @ Aug 30 2004, 01:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Mike AI@Aug 30 2004, 02:46 PM
Originally posted by SykkBoy@Aug 30 2004, 01:17 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Mike AI@Aug 30 2004, 10:33 AM
look at all the people who have so much free time on their hands.

like the people who post on these boards? :awinky:


Well I cannot speak for others, but I have the ability to multi-task. So taking a few seconds out to make a post or 2 does not interfere with my work.

Look at the people protesting... these are not average Americans. Most of these groups are way on the fringes of society.
like the people who post on these boards? :lol: [/b][/quote]
No, he's referring to liberals and other believers in foreign ideologies. :rolleyes:

[XXXPhoto]

Yup, them crazy fuckers that had the gall to not sign "loyalty oaths"...

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Mike AI+Aug 30 2004, 01:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mike AI @ Aug 30 2004, 01:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-aeon@Aug 30 2004, 12:58 PM
Gotta book a flight...scored a shitload of oxycontin below wholesale.

NY here I come. :salute:


Store it in a cigar box!! [/b][/quote]
like the people who post on these boards? ;-)

[Evil Chris]

Originally posted by Colin+Aug 30 2004, 03:24 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin @ Aug 30 2004, 03:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Mike AI@Aug 30 2004, 01:10 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-aeon@Aug 30 2004, 12:58 PM
Gotta book a flight...scored a shitload of oxycontin below wholesale.

NY here I come. :salute:


Store it in a cigar box!!
like the people who post on these boards? ;-) [/b][/quote]
hahahaha....

man I thought I was kinda on the fringe... but Colin you are WAAAY out there!! :nyanya:

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy+Aug 30 2004, 02:13 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PornoDoggy @ Aug 30 2004, 02:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Evil Chris@Aug 30 2004, 01:54 PM
Originally posted by Mike AI@Aug 30 2004, 02:46 PM
Originally posted by SykkBoy@Aug 30 2004, 01:17 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Mike AI@Aug 30 2004, 10:33 AM
look at all the people who have so much free time on their hands.

like the people who post on these boards? :awinky:


Well I cannot speak for others, but I have the ability to multi-task. So taking a few seconds out to make a post or 2 does not interfere with my work.

Look at the people protesting... these are not average Americans. Most of these groups are way on the fringes of society.
like the people who post on these boards? :lol:
No, he's referring to liberals and other believers in foreign ideologies. :rolleyes: [/b][/quote]


Actually a lot like many of the people that hang out at certain boards....

Being in the porn business does put us on the fringe.

[Dravyk]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Aug 30 2004, 03:46 PM
Look at the people protesting... these are not average Americans. Most of these groups are way on the fringes of society.
Damed Conservatives keep rewriting the Constitution and the very definition of being an American -- and then completely forget to tell the majoirty of "non-average Americans" about it.

Guess we should be lucky those awful people utilizing their right to protest aren't just shot on sight or put in to concentration camps for disagreeing with the Grand Old Party!

God Bless America! :salute:

[RawAlex]

Mike, I think the whole society is fringe these days. Everyone has an agenda, and everyone has been clustered into special interest groups.

it will be interesting to see if the protests last the entire time, and how much of it gets blamed on Kerry.

Alex

[aeon]

Originally posted by Evil Chris+Aug 30 2004, 11:38 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Evil Chris @ Aug 30 2004, 11:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by Colin@Aug 30 2004, 03:24 PM
Originally posted by Mike AI@Aug 30 2004, 01:10 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-aeon@Aug 30 2004, 12:58 PM
Gotta book a flight...scored a shitload of oxycontin below wholesale.

NY here I come. :salute:


Store it in a cigar box!!
like the people who post on these boards? ;-)
hahahaha....

man I thought I was kinda on the fringe... but Colin you are WAAAY out there!! :nyanya:[/b][/quote]
Fringe? There's nothing fucking fringe about any of the upper middle class "englightened" here.

The Da Vinci Code and Ayn Rand are actually topics people discuss here: welcome to the world of pop philosophy and self contrived intellectualism. Calling yourself the "fringe" is like the teeny boppers that dye their hair black and call themselves goth.

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by aeon+Aug 30 2004, 03:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (aeon @ Aug 30 2004, 03:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Evil Chris@Aug 30 2004, 11:38 AM
Originally posted by Colin@Aug 30 2004, 03:24 PM
Originally posted by Mike AI@Aug 30 2004, 01:10 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-aeon@Aug 30 2004, 12:58 PM
Gotta book a flight...scored a shitload of oxycontin below wholesale.

NY here I come. :salute:


Store it in a cigar box!!
like the people who post on these boards? ;-)
hahahaha....

man I thought I was kinda on the fringe... but Colin you are WAAAY out there!! :nyanya:
Fringe? There's nothing fucking fringe about any of the upper middle class "englightened" here.

The Da Vinci Code and Ayn Rand are actually topics people discuss here: welcome to the world of pop philosophy and self contrived intellectualism. Calling yourself the "fringe" is like the teeny boppers that dye their hair black and call themselves goth. [/b][/quote]

I do not think I am on the fringe. The business I am in, is on the fringe.

[gonzo]

this thread has been interrupted by....

FREE CONFUCY!!!

We return you to your normal boradcast.

[Vick]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Aug 30 2004, 03:38 PM
I do not think I am on the fringe. The business I am in, is on the fringe.
:pearl:

[aeon]

Originally posted by Mike AI+Aug 30 2004, 12:38 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mike AI @ Aug 30 2004, 12:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by aeon@Aug 30 2004, 03:15 PM
Originally posted by Evil Chris@Aug 30 2004, 11:38 AM
Originally posted by Colin@Aug 30 2004, 03:24 PM
Originally posted by Mike AI@Aug 30 2004, 01:10 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-aeon@Aug 30 2004, 12:58 PM
Gotta book a flight...scored a shitload of oxycontin below wholesale.

NY here I come. :salute:


Store it in a cigar box!!
like the people who post on these boards? ;-)
hahahaha....

man I thought I was kinda on the fringe... but Colin you are WAAAY out there!! :nyanya:
Fringe? There's nothing fucking fringe about any of the upper middle class "englightened" here.

The Da Vinci Code and Ayn Rand are actually topics people discuss here: welcome to the world of pop philosophy and self contrived intellectualism. Calling yourself the "fringe" is like the teeny boppers that dye their hair black and call themselves goth.

I do not think I am on the fringe. The business I am in, is on the fringe. [/b][/quote]
I wasn't referring to you...

edit - I don't follow all the board drama - i don't have time...I post to boards when I'm bored, drunk or have time to kill.
/edit

[eatapeach]

i don't think it's in the democrats/leftists/anti-bushist's best interests for there to be any mayhem or violence.

the major story yesterday was 400,000+ americans against bush, not discussion about the republican platform. this has to piss off the GOP.

if i was a republican strategist i'd have been spending the last year or so setting up naive anti-bush protestors to go around spreading mayhem to try to discredit the protesters and their message.

let's see how things develop over the next few days.

[SykkBoy]

I saw an interesting item on MSNBC regarding the protestors...aparently there are different factions and a lot of them are just ordinary war protestors who are protesting the war and not necessarily Bush...most have stated they aren't Kerry supporters, they are just opposed to the war.

Of course there was a panel of Republican strategists when this was mentioned, so could be a bunch of horseshit...oh wait, the Republicans wouldn't state something that's not true, right? Or maybe read to much into something...

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Aug 30 2004, 07:33 AM
I guess unemployment must be higher, look at all the people who have so much free time on their hands.

I will not be shocked if the protests get violent. There are some groups out there who consider themselves anarchists..... If they do start trouble, I hope they get the beat down they deserve from the NYPD.
Mike,

The more I read posts by staunch repubs , the more I see them as not to far off the extremist stance of fundamental muslims , christians etc....

What happened to reason.

The entire republican manifesto is "They are all out to get us , we will protect you"

Admit it!!!!

Bush is a fuck up.

the only people that don't see are "Fundamental Repubs"

Down with Evolution!!!!


;-)))

[aeon]

The right wing at least has enough sense to impart a watered down national socialist mindset to it's congregation. To make it easy if/when when the actual implementation comes. They don't forget their roots.

The hippy, pacifist, left wing tards & simpletons would be like deers caught in headlights when an actual marxist ripped their balls off and force fed them to them as a show of support for the proletariat cause.

Marx is turning over in his grave.

The dialectic has been turned into mind-numbing mass marketed, soccer mom, cell phone debates.

[Mike AI]

McCain was weak.... Guiliani was good....

I saw the clips from the actor Ron Silver and he pretty much represents my view. I think we need someone who sees islamicists for the world threat they are. We need to defeat them now. After this we can turn country back over to the Clintons.

[Almighty Colin]

Dear Oprano,

I can't tell the difference between the conservative whackos and the liberal ones.

Sincerely.

One of the whackos in the middle.

[Rolo]

Colin, good observation...

(sorry, for the following off-topic babble, about behavior in politics/life)

No matter what political idea people belive in, then they trapped with a human brain, which have taken millions of years to evolve, and reacts the same way for everyone - seldom do people elvove, and do something unpredictable... today the power of decision is in the middle - in the compromise. Extreme left and Extreme right will always loose, because they can not compromise, and in our parts of the world we have democracy, which survive because of compromises.

People who are not able to or will not compromise are forced to react in the pattern our brain knows - first starting in the modern parts of the brain, which are more civil in reaction/tone, and if no solution is found, then it continues to go to older parts of our brain, which reacts with anger/frustartion etc., and if still no solution, then it goes to the oldest parts of our brian which are millions of years old and which we share with even the smallest bugs on this planet, the violent part.

In politics, the more left/right a person´s views are, and the more uncompromising his/her views are with the surrounding society, then the more his/her brain will be in contact with the old parts, which makes his/her reaction predictable... and this also why extreme left and extreme right end up using the same methods against the present "middle compromise" society.

The same brain pattern can be found at sporting events - ex. when your team is loosing/winning, then its not your modern parts of the brain, who are making your cheer or curse, but the old parts of the brain... the reactions are predictable, but that doesn´t stop us from enjoying it, since even our old "bug" brain is part of us :awinky:

(now back on-topic)

This election is going to get close - and no matter what, our industry will loose :awinky:

[Almighty Colin]

Did anyone else notice Michael Moore at the Republican Convention? I wasn't impressed by him walking into people's unlocked homes in Canada but walking into the Republican Convention? THAT takes nuts.

[eatapeach]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Aug 30 2004, 09:23 PM
I think we need someone who sees islamicists for the world threat they are. We need to defeat them now.
"islamicists" is just the current bogeyman thats coming to get us weak little americans.

today it's "islamicists"
yesterday it was saddam hussein.
5 years ago it was slobodan milosevic.
15 years ago it was saddam hussein.
20 years ago it was muammar khaddafi.
25 years ago it was the ayatollah khomeini.
35 years ago it was the vietnamese communists.
45 years ago it was the korean communists.
55 years ago it was the nazis and the yellow peril.
90 years ago it was the kaiser.
105 years ago it was the spanish.

before that it was the indians, the british, and who knows what else.

do you discern a pattern yet, mike?

it's nothing more than a perpetual ruse to keep the citizens in fear and begging to the mother hen government to keep them safe. as long as they keep you ignorant and scared you'll let them do whatever they want, and they like it that way.

suckers.

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by eatapeach+Aug 31 2004, 08:14 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (eatapeach @ Aug 31 2004, 08:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mike AI@Aug 30 2004, 09:23 PM
I think we need someone who sees islamicists for the world threat they are. We need to defeat them now.
"islamicists" is just the current bogeyman thats coming to get us weak little americans.

today it's "islamicists"
yesterday it was saddam hussein.
5 years ago it was slobodan milosevic.
15 years ago it was saddam hussein.
20 years ago it was muammar khaddafi.
25 years ago it was the ayatollah khomeini.
35 years ago it was the vietnamese communists.
45 years ago it was the korean communists.
55 years ago it was the nazis and the yellow peril.
90 years ago it was the kaiser.
105 years ago it was the spanish.

before that it was the indians, the british, and who knows what else.

do you discern a pattern yet, mike?

it's nothing more than a perpetual ruse to keep the citizens in fear and begging to the mother hen government to keep them safe. as long as they keep you ignorant and scared you'll let them do whatever they want, and they like it that way.

suckers. [/b][/quote]
So you think the millions of people who died as a result of Hitler and say, "the Spanish" were the results of bogeymen? nothing but the local jewish and american indian leaders trying to put a fright into teh good and innocent people?

[Rolo]

Originally posted by eatapeach@Aug 31 2004, 05:14 AM
"islamicists" is just the current bogeyman thats coming to get us weak little americans.
I have been told by integrated muslims, that the Islamists truely wants to kill you and me... what are the integrated muslims gaining from this?

[eatapeach]

Originally posted by Rolo+Aug 31 2004, 05:36 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Rolo @ Aug 31 2004, 05:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-eatapeach@Aug 31 2004, 05:14 AM
"islamicists" is just the current bogeyman thats coming to get us weak little americans.
I have been told by integrated muslims, that the Islamists truely wants to kill you and me... what are the integrated muslims gaining from this? [/b][/quote]
considering that muslim world population is 1.48 billion i'd say that using your "integrated muslim" friends or "al quaeda" or "osama bin laden" as an example would be too small a survey to come to the conclusion that "muslims want to kill us."

[dantheman]

Originally posted by eatapeach+Aug 31 2004, 08:14 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (eatapeach @ Aug 31 2004, 08:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mike AI@Aug 30 2004, 09:23 PM
I think we need someone who sees islamicists for the world threat they are. We need to defeat them now.
"islamicists" is just the current bogeyman thats coming to get us weak little americans.

today it's "islamicists"
yesterday it was saddam hussein.
5 years ago it was slobodan milosevic.
15 years ago it was saddam hussein.
20 years ago it was muammar khaddafi.
25 years ago it was the ayatollah khomeini.
35 years ago it was the vietnamese communists.
45 years ago it was the korean communists.
55 years ago it was the nazis and the yellow peril.
90 years ago it was the kaiser.
105 years ago it was the spanish.

before that it was the indians, the british, and who knows what else.

do you discern a pattern yet, mike?

it's nothing more than a perpetual ruse to keep the citizens in fear and begging to the mother hen government to keep them safe. as long as they keep you ignorant and scared you'll let them do whatever they want, and they like it that way.

suckers. [/b][/quote]
I'm not mike, but I DO see a pattern!

"Most" of those on that list had to be taken out because they were evil. Pretty simple in my mind :)

[eatapeach]

Originally posted by Colin@Aug 31 2004, 05:21 AM
So you think the millions of people who died as a result of Hitler and say, "the Spanish" were the results of bogeymen?
and how exactly was hitler a threat to the US? not "US interests", but real american citizens? *

in fact, how were any of the examples i gave a threat to americans? and mind you, i left out totally lame made-up examples like fidel castro and nicaragua and who knows what else?

and now we have a never-ending war on terror that the president himself says is unlikely to be won, but that doesn't stop him from extorting hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars a year to go out and wage it.

keeping the citizenry scared is just a tool for cash extraction and power enhancement.


* and sure, hitler was a bad guy and a lot of people died, but that didn't seem to be a problem when stalin was murdering millions, or mao, or pol pot, or north korea, or any of those other places that innocents died. didn't see the US busting ass to save them.

so the US has a selective process about what threats are threats, and what threats aren't. the US did, however, think that they were threats enough to extract more billions from the citizenry to donate to the military industrial complex.

[spazlabz]

Originally posted by eatapeach+Aug 31 2004, 06:07 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (eatapeach @ Aug 31 2004, 06:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Colin@Aug 31 2004, 05:21 AM
So you think the millions of people who died as a result of Hitler and say, "the Spanish" were the results of bogeymen?
and how exactly was hitler a threat to the US? not "US interests", but real american citizens? *

in fact, how were any of the examples i gave a threat to americans? and mind you, i left out totally lame made-up examples like fidel castro and nicaragua and who knows what else?

and now we have a never-ending war on terror that the president himself says is unlikely to be won, but that doesn't stop him from extorting hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars a year to go out and wage it.

keeping the citizenry scared is just a tool for cash extraction and power enhancement.


* and sure, hitler was a bad guy and a lot of people died, but that didn't seem to be a problem when stalin was murdering millions, or mao, or pol pot, or north korea, or any of those other places that innocents died. didn't see the US busting ass to save them.

so the US has a selective process about what threats are threats, and what threats aren't. the US did, however, think that they were threats enough to extract more billions from the citizenry to donate to the military industrial complex. [/b][/quote]
:wnw:

spaz :matey:

[Evil Chris]

Originally posted by eatapeach+Aug 31 2004, 10:07 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (eatapeach @ Aug 31 2004, 10:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Colin@Aug 31 2004, 05:21 AM
So you think the millions of people who died as a result of Hitler and say, "the Spanish" were the results of bogeymen?
and how exactly was hitler a threat to the US? not "US interests", but real american citizens? *

in fact, how were any of the examples i gave a threat to americans? and mind you, i left out totally lame made-up examples like fidel castro and nicaragua and who knows what else?

and now we have a never-ending war on terror that the president himself says is unlikely to be won, but that doesn't stop him from extorting hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars a year to go out and wage it.

keeping the citizenry scared is just a tool for cash extraction and power enhancement.


* and sure, hitler was a bad guy and a lot of people died, but that didn't seem to be a problem when stalin was murdering millions, or mao, or pol pot, or north korea, or any of those other places that innocents died. didn't see the US busting ass to save them.

so the US has a selective process about what threats are threats, and what threats aren't. the US did, however, think that they were threats enough to extract more billions from the citizenry to donate to the military industrial complex. [/b][/quote]
:okthumb: I'm buying a frame for this post and putting it in my office.

[Rolo]

Originally posted by eatapeach@Aug 31 2004, 05:44 AM
considering that muslim world population is 1.48 billion i'd say that using your "integrated muslim" friends or "al quaeda" or "osama bin laden" as an example would be too small a survey to come to the conclusion that "muslims want to kill us."
There is a big difference between modern "muslims" and "islamists"... why do think "muslims" have been fleeing from "islamists" (conservative religious) and "wahhabist" (even more conservative religious). To become a muslim it only takes that you belive that "Allah is the only God and Muhammad is his messenger", which takes about 3 sec. to say... Now if I want to be a islamist, then I will have to devote my life to study of the Qur'an, and if I want to be a wahhabist, then I have to live as the first muslims on earth and see everyone else who do not as heretics (even other muslims).

http://www.msnbc.com/news/1210035.jpg
Islamist

http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,282796,00.jpg
Wahhabist

http://www.missturkey.com.tr/images/2004_ilk5.jpg
Modern Muslims

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by eatapeach+Aug 31 2004, 09:07 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (eatapeach @ Aug 31 2004, 09:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Colin@Aug 31 2004, 05:21 AM
So you think the millions of people who died as a result of Hitler and say, "the Spanish" were the results of bogeymen?
and how exactly was hitler a threat to the US? not "US interests", but real american citizens? *

in fact, how were any of the examples i gave a threat to americans? and mind you, i left out totally lame made-up examples like fidel castro and nicaragua and who knows what else?

and now we have a never-ending war on terror that the president himself says is unlikely to be won, but that doesn't stop him from extorting hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars a year to go out and wage it.

keeping the citizenry scared is just a tool for cash extraction and power enhancement.


* and sure, hitler was a bad guy and a lot of people died, but that didn't seem to be a problem when stalin was murdering millions, or mao, or pol pot, or north korea, or any of those other places that innocents died. didn't see the US busting ass to save them.

so the US has a selective process about what threats are threats, and what threats aren't. the US did, however, think that they were threats enough to extract more billions from the citizenry to donate to the military industrial complex. [/b][/quote]
Sorry, I mistook your usual "the US government is evil and in a 100 year long free fall " tirade for a general statement about humanity. Should have known better. It's all about those evil Yanks.

As far as Hitler, come on. Hitler declared war on the US. We didn't pick which side we'd fight on. Countries that declare war on you = threat.

"Military industrial complex"? You need some new books.

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Rolo@Aug 31 2004, 09:17 AM
There is a big difference between modern "muslims" and "islamists"... why do think "muslims" have been fleeing from "islamists" (conservative religious) and "wahhabist" (even more conservative religious). To become a muslim it only takes that you belive that "Allah is the only God and Muhammad is his messenger", which takes about 3 sec. to say... Now if I want to be a islamist, then I will have to devote my life to study of the Qur'an, and if I want to be a wahhabist, then I have to live as the first muslims on earth and see everyone else who do not as heretics (even other muslims).

http://www.msnbc.com/news/1210035.jpg
Islamist

http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,282796,00.jpg
Wahhabist

http://www.missturkey.com.tr/images/2004_ilk5.jpg
Modern Muslims
Interesting site I came across a while back.

http://www.thewahhabimyth.com/

[grimm]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Aug 30 2004, 07:33 AM
I guess unemployment must be higher, look at all the people who have so much free time on their hands.

I will not be shocked if the protests get violent. There are some groups out there who consider themselves anarchists..... If they do start trouble, I hope they get the beat down they deserve from the NYPD.
according to census polls, 2 million more jobless since 2000;)

[grimm]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy+Aug 30 2004, 11:13 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PornoDoggy @ Aug 30 2004, 11:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Evil Chris@Aug 30 2004, 01:54 PM
Originally posted by Mike AI@Aug 30 2004, 02:46 PM
Originally posted by SykkBoy@Aug 30 2004, 01:17 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Mike AI@Aug 30 2004, 10:33 AM
look at all the people who have so much free time on their hands.

like the people who post on these boards? :awinky:


Well I cannot speak for others, but I have the ability to multi-task. So taking a few seconds out to make a post or 2 does not interfere with my work.

Look at the people protesting... these are not average Americans. Most of these groups are way on the fringes of society.
like the people who post on these boards? :lol:
No, he's referring to liberals and other believers in foreign ideologies. :rolleyes: [/b][/quote]
I..E... anyone who isnt 100% pro bush, you know, those unamerican people;)

[grimm]

Originally posted by eatapeach@Aug 30 2004, 02:07 PM
i don't think it's in the democrats/leftists/anti-bushist's best interests for there to be any mayhem or violence.

the major story yesterday was 400,000+ americans against bush, not discussion about the republican platform. this has to piss off the GOP.

if i was a republican strategist i'd have been spending the last year or so setting up naive anti-bush protestors to go around spreading mayhem to try to discredit the protesters and their message.

let's see how things develop over the next few days.
true, but the republican platform has been well discussed. nothing new going to happen here, just a bunch of glad handing, and maybe a handjob between bill oreilly and shawn hannity;)

[grimm]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Aug 30 2004, 09:23 PM
McCain was weak.... Guiliani was good....

I saw the clips from the actor Ron Silver and he pretty much represents my view. I think we need someone who sees islamicists for the world threat they are. We need to defeat them now. After this we can turn country back over to the Clintons.
Ron silver is the king of cinemax movies. every cinemax or hbo original movie has ron silver in it. hes the poor mans andy garcia:)

[grimm]

this is the best part so far, from ESPN's page 2



http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=keown/040831

This is way off-topic, if that's at all possible, but answer this: How can a guy who gets paid to give his opinion on political and social issues admit on national television, while he's being paid to give those opinions and while he's sitting at the Republican convention, that he hasn't seen "Fahrenheit 9/11"?



And by the way: It doesn't matter what you might think of the movie, but it seems like required viewing for folks in that business, wouldn't you agree, Mike Barnicle?

[grimm]

thats about as dumb as it gets, you gotta know the questions are going to be asked, so see the movie, that way you dont look like a deer in headlights when the questions are asked.

[grimm]

what little of the interviews ive seen, ive gotten the impression that the GOP is a bit confused, that the aura surrounding this convention was a little more than they had predicted. They need to adjust.

[grimm]

Originally posted by Colin@Aug 31 2004, 03:14 AM
Did anyone else notice Michael Moore at the Republican Convention? I wasn't impressed by him walking into people's unlocked homes in Canada but walking into the Republican Convention? THAT takes nuts.
on the bill maher show he announced he would be there, like 2 months ago. he has a media pass, and all required documents to enter.

[Rolo]

Originally posted by Colin@Aug 31 2004, 06:44 AM
Interesting site I came across a while back.

http://www.thewahhabimyth.com/
Yes, he is Sunni - my mistake - thanks for the link :-)

[Mike AI]

Grimm its nice to see you going back to your liberal roots.....



All of my hard work, down the drain....


:lol:

[Rolo]

Originally posted by grimm@Aug 31 2004, 10:37 AM
on the bill maher show he announced he would be there, like 2 months ago. he has a media pass, and all required documents to enter.
I´m sure we will see anti bush movie #2, if Bush wins the election... the republicans gave him some great footage - lots of places where he can cut things out of context, and mix it all together with his own spin.

[grimm]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Aug 31 2004, 12:38 PM
Grimm its nice to see you going back to your liberal roots.....



All of my hard work, down the drain....


:lol:
glad to see you are stll a knee jerk conservative. I have not made one liberal statement, im right square in the middle. a swing vote, an undecided, a citizen faced with voting for Kerry or have four more years of what i consider a shifty, lying administration. I am your average american. I don;t like bush, but i won't go to far to the left to get rid of him. If only we could impeach:)

[grimm]

Originally posted by Rolo+Aug 31 2004, 12:38 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Rolo @ Aug 31 2004, 12:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-grimm@Aug 31 2004, 10:37 AM
on the bill maher show he announced he would be there, like 2 months ago. he has a media pass, and all required documents to enter.
I´m sure we will see anti bush movie #2, if Bush wins the election... the republicans gave him some great footage - lots of places where he can cut things out of context, and mix it all together with his own spin. [/b][/quote]
Think of all the unused golf course footage "w" spends so much time on a golf course you'd think he was looking for Nicole Brown Simpsons killer with OJ;)

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by grimm+Aug 31 2004, 04:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (grimm @ Aug 31 2004, 04:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mike AI@Aug 31 2004, 12:38 PM
Grimm its nice to see you going back to your liberal roots.....



All of my hard work, down the drain....


:lol:
glad to see you are stll a knee jerk conservative. I have not made one liberal statement, im right square in the middle. a swing vote, an undecided, a citizen faced with voting for Kerry or have four more years of what i consider a shifty, lying administration. I am your average american. I don;t like bush, but i won't go to far to the left to get rid of him. If only we could impeach:) [/b][/quote]
Grimm you are far from average.

Embrace your liberalness..... I find it amusing that Liberals hate to be called Liberals.

I am a Libertarian by nature, but I am comfortable being called a Conservative. The whole concept of Conservativism is anti-knee jerk... we leave that for all the willy-nilly liberals.

Come one Grimm. I will help you....

repeat....

I am a liberal,
and gosh darnit that is ok!

You will feel better about yourself....

[grimm]

Originally posted by Mike AI+Aug 31 2004, 02:00 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mike AI @ Aug 31 2004, 02:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by grimm@Aug 31 2004, 04:46 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Mike AI@Aug 31 2004, 12:38 PM
Grimm its nice to see you going back to your liberal roots.....



All of my hard work, down the drain....


:lol:
glad to see you are stll a knee jerk conservative. I have not made one liberal statement, im right square in the middle. a swing vote, an undecided, a citizen faced with voting for Kerry or have four more years of what i consider a shifty, lying administration. I am your average american. I don;t like bush, but i won't go to far to the left to get rid of him. If only we could impeach:)
Grimm you are far from average.

Embrace your liberalness..... I find it amusing that Liberals hate to be called Liberals.

I am a Libertarian by nature, but I am comfortable being called a Conservative. The whole concept of Conservativism is anti-knee jerk... we leave that for all the willy-nilly liberals.

Come one Grimm. I will help you....

repeat....

I am a liberal,
and gosh darnit that is ok!

You will feel better about yourself.... [/b][/quote]
I vote for the man, not the party.

and i have no problem being called liberal or conservative as long as its defnition serves the best interest of my nation.

i am a liberal, i am a conservative, i am a libertarian, i am a citizen, i am an American

:)

[grimm]

and im from Ohio. a conservative state. not surehow i got labeled ANYTHING... oh wait. i think that President Bush has proven he is not fit for office. that must be it.

If you run down the issues, i think you will find i lean towards a conservative realm of thinking. outside of moderated gun control, and being pro choice, I am against big government social programs not set up in the way the WPA projects were set up after the Depression. I disagree with handouts in general, however i am for prescription drug benefits for the indigent and elderly. I am for less defense spending, but not in the terms of less units on the ground, but in the terms of a more efficient military. I am against deficit spending, yet at the same time have no problem paying highe taxes than the majority of the upper middle class in order to balance the budget. I think that government programs to regulate the sale and use of drugs are a waste of time and effort. I feel this should be fought on foreign fronts. I am against sending 2 million jobs to other countries. I think a dollar earned on american soil is worth 10 earned on foreign soil. I belive globalization has moved from the economic markets to military defense. But then again i also beleive if we are to ever win the war on terror, we need to reel in the stone age nations that present the biggest threat.


So what does that make me, Mr Labeler, can you fit all that under one word?:)


feel free to ask me any questions. Just none about how i feel about paying more taxes in 2006, because that is the least of our worries, fromm where we are sitting now



:barfon: :inlove:

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by grimm+Aug 31 2004, 05:02 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (grimm @ Aug 31 2004, 05:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Mike AI@Aug 31 2004, 02:00 PM
Originally posted by grimm@Aug 31 2004, 04:46 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Mike AI@Aug 31 2004, 12:38 PM
Grimm its nice to see you going back to your liberal roots.....



All of my hard work, down the drain....


:lol:
glad to see you are stll a knee jerk conservative. I have not made one liberal statement, im right square in the middle. a swing vote, an undecided, a citizen faced with voting for Kerry or have four more years of what i consider a shifty, lying administration. I am your average american. I don;t like bush, but i won't go to far to the left to get rid of him. If only we could impeach:)
Grimm you are far from average.

Embrace your liberalness..... I find it amusing that Liberals hate to be called Liberals.

I am a Libertarian by nature, but I am comfortable being called a Conservative. The whole concept of Conservativism is anti-knee jerk... we leave that for all the willy-nilly liberals.

Come one Grimm. I will help you....

repeat....

I am a liberal,
and gosh darnit that is ok!

You will feel better about yourself....
I vote for the man, not the party.

and i have no problem being called liberal or conservative as long as its defnition serves the best interest of my nation.

i am a liberal, i am a conservative, i am a libertarian, i am a citizen, i am an American

:) [/b][/quote]


Grimm you are not going to be running for office....

You can fess up, there are plenty of liberals here at Oprano.

You are in good company.

[grimm]

let me also note, i am against the DH, for the halo rule, and against the infield fly rule (hell it would make things interesting)

[grimm]

Originally posted by Mike AI+Aug 31 2004, 02:12 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mike AI @ Aug 31 2004, 02:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by grimm@Aug 31 2004, 05:02 PM
Originally posted by Mike AI@Aug 31 2004, 02:00 PM
Originally posted by grimm@Aug 31 2004, 04:46 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Mike AI@Aug 31 2004, 12:38 PM
Grimm its nice to see you going back to your liberal roots.....



All of my hard work, down the drain....


:lol:
glad to see you are stll a knee jerk conservative. I have not made one liberal statement, im right square in the middle. a swing vote, an undecided, a citizen faced with voting for Kerry or have four more years of what i consider a shifty, lying administration. I am your average american. I don;t like bush, but i won't go to far to the left to get rid of him. If only we could impeach:)
Grimm you are far from average.

Embrace your liberalness..... I find it amusing that Liberals hate to be called Liberals.

I am a Libertarian by nature, but I am comfortable being called a Conservative. The whole concept of Conservativism is anti-knee jerk... we leave that for all the willy-nilly liberals.

Come one Grimm. I will help you....

repeat....

I am a liberal,
and gosh darnit that is ok!

You will feel better about yourself....
I vote for the man, not the party.

and i have no problem being called liberal or conservative as long as its defnition serves the best interest of my nation.

i am a liberal, i am a conservative, i am a libertarian, i am a citizen, i am an American

:)


Grimm you are not going to be running for office....

You can fess up, there are plenty of liberals here at Oprano.

You are in good company. [/b][/quote]
if thats the label you want to push me under, then so be it, doesnt bug me at all.

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by eatapeach@Aug 31 2004, 09:07 AM
and how exactly was hitler a threat to the US? not "US interests", but real american citizens? *

in fact, how were any of the examples i gave a threat to americans? and mind you, i left out totally lame made-up examples like fidel castro and nicaragua and who knows what else?

and now we have a never-ending war on terror that the president himself says is unlikely to be won, but that doesn't stop him from extorting hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars a year to go out and wage it.

keeping the citizenry scared is just a tool for cash extraction and power enhancement.


* and sure, hitler was a bad guy and a lot of people died, but that didn't seem to be a problem when stalin was murdering millions, or mao, or pol pot, or north korea, or any of those other places that innocents died. didn't see the US busting ass to save them.

so the US has a selective process about what threats are threats, and what threats aren't. the US did, however, think that they were threats enough to extract more billions from the citizenry to donate to the military industrial complex.
You are kidding me, right? Have you been channeling William Howard Taft and Henry A. Wallace or something?

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by Evil Chris+Aug 31 2004, 09:17 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Evil Chris @ Aug 31 2004, 09:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by eatapeach@Aug 31 2004, 10:07 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Colin@Aug 31 2004, 05:21 AM
So you think the millions of people who died as a result of Hitler and say, "the Spanish" were the results of bogeymen?
and how exactly was hitler a threat to the US? not "US interests", but real american citizens? *

in fact, how were any of the examples i gave a threat to americans? and mind you, i left out totally lame made-up examples like fidel castro and nicaragua and who knows what else?

and now we have a never-ending war on terror that the president himself says is unlikely to be won, but that doesn't stop him from extorting hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars a year to go out and wage it.

keeping the citizenry scared is just a tool for cash extraction and power enhancement.


* and sure, hitler was a bad guy and a lot of people died, but that didn't seem to be a problem when stalin was murdering millions, or mao, or pol pot, or north korea, or any of those other places that innocents died. didn't see the US busting ass to save them.

so the US has a selective process about what threats are threats, and what threats aren't. the US did, however, think that they were threats enough to extract more billions from the citizenry to donate to the military industrial complex.
:okthumb: I'm buying a frame for this post and putting it in my office. [/b][/quote]
Make sure you get a used one. ;-)

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Aug 31 2004, 11:53 PM
You are kidding me, right? Have you been channeling William Howard Taft and Henry A. Wallace or something?
I just about spilled my coffee reading that.

[XXXPhoto]

The "War on Drugs" has been pre-empted by the "War on Terror"... we now
return you to whatever 'reality' show you've been watching...

[spazlabz]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Aug 31 2004, 02:00 PM

I am a Libertarian by nature, but I am comfortable being called a Conservative. The whole concept of Conservativism is anti-knee jerk... we leave that for all the willy-nilly liberals.


:yowsa: :yowsa: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :yowsa: :blink: :unsure:

hahahaahaha anti-knee jerk! You kill me with your jokes


spaz :matey:

[dig420]

Originally posted by XXXPhoto@Sep 1 2004, 05:38 AM
The "War on Drugs" has been pre-empted by the "War on Terror"... we now
return you to whatever 'reality' show you've been watching...
coming soon "The War on Porn" and I hope conservative pornographers are the first to get the midnight knock on the door.

Gotta love Bush, that self-made rugged conservative man...

[grimm]

I keep waiting for Osama to be ejected out of a big cake like baby new year;)