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grimm
08-25-2004, 02:53 PM
If bush would stop trying to talk over him and discuss issues.

debates should be very good.

Mike AI
08-25-2004, 03:01 PM
Grimm I hope you remember this next year around tax time if Kerry is elected.

:huh:

Winetalk.com
08-25-2004, 03:04 PM
Originally posted by Mike AI@Aug 25 2004, 02:02 PM
Grimm I hope you remember this next year around tax time if Kerry is elected.

:huh:
buy munies and worry not about taxes
;-)))

and MikeAI, look at the bright side,
Ashcroft can make your taxes go to ZERO
;-))))

Mike AI
08-25-2004, 04:18 PM
Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Aug 25 2004, 02:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Aug 25 2004, 02:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mike AI@Aug 25 2004, 02:02 PM
Grimm I hope you remember this next year around tax time if Kerry is elected.

:huh:
buy munies and worry not about taxes
;-)))

and MikeAI, look at the bright side,
Ashcroft can make your taxes go to ZERO
;-)))) [/b][/quote]


Serge, please remember I am not retired - my money comes from INCOME. Thus munnies do me do good.

As far as Ashcroft, I am confident I will be able to stay in the adult business for as long as I choose. My adult income is growing this year, however it will total less then 30% of my entire income for 2004. I imgaine this trend will continue for me. Big money is in mainstream!

So I 4 words for you.

GIVE ME MORE BUSH!

:D

Rolo
08-25-2004, 04:32 PM
I will make more money with Bush in power, however I would also have to hear "Michael Moore type" whining/arguments for 4 more years... :nyanya:

Ofcourse I could buy some earplugs with some of the extra money... :rolleyes:

RawAlex
08-25-2004, 04:50 PM
Mike, it doesn't matter WHO gets elected, your taxes will go up. The question is when. "tax and spend" liberals are at least way more easy to figure that the "spend anyway" conservatives that create all the debt.

Tax cuts and spending increases together are not exactly a good way to balance the books. You didn't get all this for free, you just haven't gotten the bill yet.

Alex

grimm
08-25-2004, 04:56 PM
Originally posted by Mike AI@Aug 25 2004, 11:02 AM
Grimm I hope you remember this next year around tax time if Kerry is elected.

:huh:
i dont vote with my wallet:)


he state of the union is not to be bought and sold by the income group most effected by tax cuts. The people that benefitted from the tax cut are the minority. Middle income families saw tax hikes, lower income families, no change at all.

A paradigm shift of where the money comes from will not effect my vote. Whomever will provide the agenda for a better America will. Who knows who that will be.

My point was, what do we have to vote on? has anything REALLY been said that isnt blind, sloganesque rhetoric?

grimm
08-25-2004, 04:58 PM
Originally posted by RawAlex@Aug 25 2004, 12:51 PM
Mike, it doesn't matter WHO gets elected, your taxes will go up. The question is when. "tax and spend" liberals are at least way more easy to figure that the "spend anyway" conservatives that create all the debt.

Tax cuts and spending increases together are not exactly a good way to balance the books. You didn't get all this for free, you just haven't gotten the bill yet.

Alex
this is of course, true. Debt is debt, just so happens one party has historically run up the bill, and left the other party to pick up the check.

hence tax and spend.

i the situation were reversed, it would be the same.

Mike AI
08-25-2004, 05:02 PM
Originally posted by RawAlex@Aug 25 2004, 03:51 PM
Mike, it doesn't matter WHO gets elected, your taxes will go up. The question is when. "tax and spend" liberals are at least way more easy to figure that the "spend anyway" conservatives that create all the debt.

Tax cuts and spending increases together are not exactly a good way to balance the books. You didn't get all this for free, you just haven't gotten the bill yet.

Alex


Alex can you send me a photo of your economics diploma? :o

I don't think you understand basic macro econimics.



:lol: :lol:

grimm
08-25-2004, 05:03 PM
Originally posted by Rolo@Aug 25 2004, 12:33 PM
I will make more money with Bush in power, however I would also have to hear "Michael Moore type" whining/arguments for 4 more years... :nyanya:

Ofcourse I could buy some earplugs with some of the extra money... :rolleyes:
I stad to take a huge hit if taxes go up. But like hi father. Bush Jr. will HAVE to raise them.


so i don't think taxes are going to be any sort of lynchpin, im already dreading the fat that whomeer gets elected, in 2006, my tax bill will go up proportionally.


Another thing, Republicans get on Dems about Big government projects, social programs, government work projects, when the biggest government project in terms of spending is the military. It isnt apples and oranges, its apples of a different color. Its cyclical, and just mudslinging on both parties.

To party systems are going to move in circles for eternity.

Mike AI
08-25-2004, 05:04 PM
Originally posted by grimm+Aug 25 2004, 03:57 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (grimm @ Aug 25 2004, 03:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mike AI@Aug 25 2004, 11:02 AM
Grimm I hope you remember this next year around tax time if Kerry is elected.

:huh:
i dont vote with my wallet:)


he state of the union is not to be bought and sold by the income group most effected by tax cuts. The people that benefitted from the tax cut are the minority. Middle income families saw tax hikes, lower income families, no change at all.

A paradigm shift of where the money comes from will not effect my vote. Whomever will provide the agenda for a better America will. Who knows who that will be.

My point was, what do we have to vote on? has anything REALLY been said that isnt blind, sloganesque rhetoric? [/b][/quote]


Grimm where do you get this information???

The middle andd lowerclasses got more % of money back then the "wealthiest 1%" ( Which you fall into Poncho).

Bush did right on the tax cuts, he just tried to our democrat the democrats by giving more gov't handouts.....

Grimm, I hope you have a mop handy your bleeding heart is starting to leak a little....

:lol: :lol:

Mike AI
08-25-2004, 05:05 PM
Grimm you are right about both parties becoming the same.

At the end the the day there is less and less difference between the Republicans and the Democrats....

Not much choice at all....

:angry:

grimm
08-25-2004, 05:06 PM
Originally posted by Mike AI+Aug 25 2004, 01:03 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mike AI @ Aug 25 2004, 01:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-RawAlex@Aug 25 2004, 03:51 PM
Mike, it doesn't matter WHO gets elected, your taxes will go up. The question is when. "tax and spend" liberals are at least way more easy to figure that the "spend anyway" conservatives that create all the debt.

Tax cuts and spending increases together are not exactly a good way to balance the books. You didn't get all this for free, you just haven't gotten the bill yet.

Alex


Alex can you send me a photo of your economics diploma? :o

I don't think you understand basic macro econimics.



:lol: :lol: [/b][/quote]
Mike, every system will reach a pooint of equilibrium, it is the only way for the system to survive. Economic systems are the same way. Its all weightsand measures. If there is too much debt, the scales are tipped by taxes. If there is too much surplus, that money is used to better the nation, causing debt. Its the cycle of equilibrium. A fundamental argument of Macroeconomics

grimm
08-25-2004, 05:08 PM
Originally posted by Mike AI@Aug 25 2004, 01:06 PM
Grimm you are right about both parties becoming the same.

At the end the the day there is less and less difference between the Republicans and the Democrats....

Not much choice at all....

:angry:
Democracy went out the window the day the GOP and the DNC became the bullies of politics.

grimm
08-25-2004, 05:11 PM
Originally posted by Mike AI+Aug 25 2004, 01:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mike AI @ Aug 25 2004, 01:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by grimm@Aug 25 2004, 03:57 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Mike AI@Aug 25 2004, 11:02 AM
Grimm I hope you remember this next year around tax time if Kerry is elected.

:huh:
i dont vote with my wallet:)


he state of the union is not to be bought and sold by the income group most effected by tax cuts. The people that benefitted from the tax cut are the minority. Middle income families saw tax hikes, lower income families, no change at all.

A paradigm shift of where the money comes from will not effect my vote. Whomever will provide the agenda for a better America will. Who knows who that will be.

My point was, what do we have to vote on? has anything REALLY been said that isnt blind, sloganesque rhetoric?


Grimm where do you get this information???

The middle andd lowerclasses got more % of money back then the "wealthiest 1%" ( Which you fall into Poncho).

Bush did right on the tax cuts, he just tried to our democrat the democrats by giving more gov't handouts.....

Grimm, I hope you have a mop handy your bleeding heart is starting to leak a little....

:lol: :lol: [/b][/quote]
The middle majority saw anegligible tax cut. The lower Majority saw taxes increase from 15 to 18%. The upper crust saw a decline of 9%

Winetalk.com
08-25-2004, 05:17 PM
Originally posted by Mike AI@Aug 25 2004, 03:19 PM
Serge, please remember I am not retired - my money comes from INCOME. Thus munnies do me do good.
I am NOT retired,
I am employed,
I have a job,
I am searching for a meaning of life....this is a FULL TIME employment with no end in sight....Ashecroft or not
;-))))

Winetalk.com
08-25-2004, 05:18 PM
Originally posted by grimm@Aug 25 2004, 04:12 PM
The upper crust saw a decline of 9%
stop counting OPM

;-))))

Mike AI
08-25-2004, 05:26 PM
Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Aug 25 2004, 04:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Aug 25 2004, 04:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mike AI@Aug 25 2004, 03:19 PM
Serge, please remember I am not retired - my money comes from INCOME. Thus munnies do me do good.
I am NOT retired,
I am employed,
I have a job,
I am searching for a meaning of life....this is a FULL TIME employment with no end in sight....Ashecroft or not
;-)))) [/b][/quote]


Serge, I admire this greatly!!

Katie and I look forward to doing some searching with you!!

Winetalk.com
08-25-2004, 05:30 PM
Originally posted by Mike AI+Aug 25 2004, 04:27 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mike AI @ Aug 25 2004, 04:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Aug 25 2004, 04:18 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Mike AI@Aug 25 2004, 03:19 PM
Serge, please remember I am not retired - my money comes from INCOME. Thus munnies do me do good.
I am NOT retired,
I am employed,
I have a job,
I am searching for a meaning of life....this is a FULL TIME employment with no end in sight....Ashecroft or not
;-))))


Serge, I admire this greatly!!

Katie and I look forward to doing some searching with you!! [/b][/quote]
Sorry, Mike, but you are overqualified!
;-))

we'll have to settle on Katie alone
;-))))

Winetalk.com
08-25-2004, 05:31 PM
P.S.
I've been outvoted by my wife
;-(
(Democracy my ass!!!!)

we'll have to include you too now
;-((((

grimm
08-25-2004, 05:32 PM
Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Aug 25 2004, 01:19 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Aug 25 2004, 01:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-grimm@Aug 25 2004, 04:12 PM
The upper crust saw a decline of 9%
stop counting OPM

;-)))) [/b][/quote]
*yawn*

i appreciated the break, thats for sure

Mike AI
08-25-2004, 05:35 PM
Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Aug 25 2004, 04:32 PM
P.S.
I've been outvoted by my wife
;-(
(Democracy my ass!!!!)

we'll have to include you too now
;-((((


Someone in the family with taste!!

:-)

Winetalk.com
08-25-2004, 05:36 PM
Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Aug 25 2004, 04:32 PM

(Democracy my ass!!!!)

Explanation and Legal Disclaimer:
In no way I was trying to imply that Democracy and my ass are sinonymous!

LadyLaw
08-25-2004, 05:37 PM
Oh baby, oh baby, oh Baby!!!

:D :D

Winetalk.com
08-25-2004, 05:37 PM
Originally posted by Mike AI+Aug 25 2004, 04:36 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mike AI @ Aug 25 2004, 04:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Serge_Oprano@Aug 25 2004, 04:32 PM
P.S.
I've been outvoted by my wife
;-(
(Democracy my ass!!!!)

we'll have to include you too now
;-((((


Someone in the family with taste!!

:-) [/b][/quote]
Taste my ass!

Winetalk.com
08-25-2004, 05:38 PM
Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Aug 25 2004, 04:38 PM

Taste my ass!
Explanation and Legal Disclaimer:
this is NOT a bona fide proposal!
;-))))

Winetalk.com
08-25-2004, 05:39 PM
Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Aug 25 2004, 04:39 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Aug 25 2004, 04:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Serge_Oprano@Aug 25 2004, 04:38 PM

Taste my ass!
Explanation and Legal Disclaimer:
this is NOT a bona fide proposal!
;-)))) [/b][/quote]
Grimm,
do NOT take it on your acount,
'cuz in your case it IS!
;-))))

grimm
08-25-2004, 05:41 PM
Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Aug 25 2004, 01:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Serge_Oprano @ Aug 25 2004, 01:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Aug 25 2004, 04:39 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Serge_Oprano@Aug 25 2004, 04:38 PM

Taste my ass!
Explanation and Legal Disclaimer:
this is NOT a bona fide proposal!
;-))))
Grimm,
do NOT take it on your acount,
'cuz in your case it IS!
;-)))) [/b][/quote]
ill pass, never did like the taste of latex;)

XXXPhoto
08-25-2004, 05:46 PM
Serge,

Thought you'd found a new dish to try (http://www.wayabroad.com/tianjin/text/text42.htm)...

Winetalk.com
08-25-2004, 05:46 PM
Originally posted by grimm+Aug 25 2004, 04:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (grimm @ Aug 25 2004, 04:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Aug 25 2004, 01:40 PM
Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Aug 25 2004, 04:39 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Serge_Oprano@Aug 25 2004, 04:38 PM

Taste my ass!
Explanation and Legal Disclaimer:
this is NOT a bona fide proposal!
;-))))
Grimm,
do NOT take it on your acount,
'cuz in your case it IS!
;-))))
ill pass, never did like the taste of latex;) [/b][/quote]
Grimm,
you gotta try it with 1986 Mascarello Barolo! It has a long lasting finish, longer than mouth wash!
;-))))

Winetalk.com
08-25-2004, 05:48 PM
Originally posted by XXXPhoto@Aug 25 2004, 04:47 PM
Serge,

Thought you'd found a new dish to try (http://www.wayabroad.com/tianjin/text/text42.htm)...
that should go well with D'Alba 1998 Barolo
\;-))))

Dravyk
08-25-2004, 07:54 PM
Originally posted by Mike AI+Aug 25 2004, 05:19 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mike AI @ Aug 25 2004, 05:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Aug 25 2004, 02:05 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Mike AI@Aug 25 2004, 02:02 PM
Grimm I hope you remember this next year around tax time if Kerry is elected.

:huh:
buy munies and worry not about taxes
;-)))

and MikeAI, look at the bright side,
Ashcroft can make your taxes go to ZERO
;-))))


Serge, please remember I am not retired - my money comes from INCOME. Thus munnies do me do good.

As far as Ashcroft, I am confident I will be able to stay in the adult business for as long as I choose. My adult income is growing this year, however it will total less then 30% of my entire income for 2004. I imgaine this trend will continue for me. Big money is in mainstream!

So I 4 words for you.

GIVE ME MORE BUSH!

:D [/b][/quote]
And (heaven forbid, as they say) should the DOJ in 2005 find some little free site you built and totally forgot about over on Spunk Money or something way back in 1997 and demands to see the model papers .... you'll suddenly be wishing you'd voted for Kerry.

SykkBoy
08-25-2004, 07:57 PM
At least with Kerry in the Whitehouse and a republican controlled congress, we can go back to gridlock...I always seemed to make more money when gridlock was afoot

Dravyk
08-25-2004, 08:07 PM
Originally posted by SykkBoy@Aug 25 2004, 08:58 PM
At least with Kerry in the Whitehouse and a republican controlled congress, we can go back to gridlock...I always seemed to make more money when gridlock was afoot
:pearl: