Child of gun enthusiast...

[JR]

CHILD OF GUN ENTHUSIAST MAKES NEW FRIENDS AT INTENSIVE CARE UNIT

Richmond, VA—In a heartfelt gesture of admiration, local nurses and assistants at St. Michael’s Hospital for Children delivered a get well package for six year-old Timmy Brewster that uplifted his spirits and sent shudders of excitement through his phantom leg.

“We gave him a basket full of toys, games and puzzles to help keep his mind occupied during this difficult time, “Head Nurse Joan Percy quoted. “He’s been quite brave throughout this whole ordeal.”

Timmy’s father, Jerome Brewster of Richmond, is a well-renowned pro-gun activist and community organizer for a local chapter of the National Rifle Association. While hard at work petitioning locals to lift restrictive gun laws, Timmy found his way into an unsecured closet full of firearms. In a hilarious and completely unexpected turn of events, the young boy managed to completely blow off approximately three-fourths of his left leg.

Jerome Brewster declined to comment, and only made machine gun noises over the phone when we tried to speak to him, but little Timmy was able to say this while temporarily conscious in the Intensive Care Unit at St. Michael’s Hospital.

“I really, really want my leg back. I can’t play with just one.”

[Yug]

Originally posted by JR@Aug 3 2004, 01:54 PM
Jerome Brewster declined to comment, and only made machine gun noises over the phone when we tried to speak to him ...
WTF??!
:huh:

[sudden]

Can't think of a better example to show why everyone should not be allowed to have guns. Possibly other than the 1000's of people who die in fights because
the other guy was half-drunk, a cocky fucker and happened to have a gun strapped to his hip at the time.

[Peaches]

Originally posted by sudden@Aug 3 2004, 07:55 PM
Can't think of a better example to show why everyone should not be allowed to have guns. Possibly other than the 1000's of people who die in fights because
the other guy was half-drunk, a cocky fucker and happened to have a gun strapped to his hip at the time.
Then people shouldn't have cars either.

[SykkBoy]

Originally posted by sudden@Aug 3 2004, 06:55 PM
Can't think of a better example to show why everyone should not be allowed to have guns. Possibly other than the 1000's of people who die in fights because
the other guy was half-drunk, a cocky fucker and happened to have a gun strapped to his hip at the time.
I can't think of a better example of someone overreacting to an obvious Onion-type story....

[mojobill]

IF, as the story implies, this guy WAS a gun rights advocate... he violated EVERY FUCKIN principle of gun safety.....

NO LOCKS?

AMMO IN GUN???

um..... call me a doubter....

[mojobill]

Originally posted by Peaches+Aug 3 2004, 06:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Aug 3 2004, 06:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-sudden@Aug 3 2004, 07:55 PM
Can't think of a better example to show why everyone should not be allowed to have guns. Possibly other than the 1000's of people who die in fights because
the other guy was half-drunk, a cocky fucker and happened to have a gun strapped to his hip at the time.
Then people shouldn't have cars either. [/b][/quote]
Dont forget those Damn KITCHEN KNIVES either!

#1 weapon in violent acts....

[sudden]

Unlike guns, kitchen knives and cars has an every day use. For those people that do require guns in their every day life (such as those who hunt) a restricted weapons license would do perfectly fine, and wouldn't require gun licenses, but rifle licenses instead.

There are surely idiots who do that type of thing, and granted they're probably not many, but they are too many.

[Bishop]

Originally posted by sudden@Aug 3 2004, 06:55 PM
Can't think of a better example to show why everyone should not be allowed to have guns. Possibly other than the 1000's of people who die in fights because
the other guy was half-drunk, a cocky fucker and happened to have a gun strapped to his hip at the time.

:rolleyes: classic :rolleyes:

[Evil Chris]

Michael Moore is listening.

Peaches, you sound like you're a pro-gun person notwithstanding stories like this one.
I wonder if you'd still be pro-gun if that was your little boy?


(typo edit)

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Evil Chris@Aug 3 2004, 08:53 PM
Michael Moore is listening.

Peaches, you sound like you're a pre-gun person notwithstanding stories like this one.
I wonder if you'd still be pro-gun if that was your little boy?
It wouldn't be my little boy. I never had a loaded gun in the house AND he was taught how to shoot and gun safety when he was little - just as my brother and I were. :)

In fact, my brother and I were discussing this the other day - my grandfather ALWAYS had a loaded gun in his nightstand and one in his glove compartment. We never even DREAMED of opening either, let alone opening them and picking up the gun. :unsure:

[VooMan]

Um... are Sykk and I the only people who think this is from The Onion?

In a hilarious and completely unexpected turn of events, the young boy managed to completely blow off approximately three-fourths of his left leg.

"Hilarious?" Gotta be the Onion...

[JR]

haha... it was a quick test to tell who is from GFY and who isn't

[Yug]

Originally posted by JR@Aug 3 2004, 07:13 PM
haha... it was a quick test to tell who is from GFY and who isn't
Im sure everyone has a username there, but actually being a 'regular' there? Keeping up with GFY is a fulltime job :blink:

[wig]

Originally posted by sudden@Aug 3 2004, 06:55 PM
Can't think of a better example to show why everyone should not be allowed to have guns. Possibly other than the 1000's of people who die in fights because
the other guy was half-drunk, a cocky fucker and happened to have a gun strapped to his hip at the time.
Idiot

[Evil Chris]

Originally posted by Peaches+Aug 3 2004, 08:57 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Aug 3 2004, 08:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Evil Chris@Aug 3 2004, 08:53 PM
Michael Moore is listening.

Peaches, you sound like you're a pre-gun person notwithstanding stories like this one.
I wonder if you'd still be pro-gun if that was your little boy?
It wouldn't be my little boy. I never had a loaded gun in the house AND he was taught how to shoot and gun safety when he was little - just as my brother and I were. :)

In fact, my brother and I were discussing this the other day - my grandfather ALWAYS had a loaded gun in his nightstand and one in his glove compartment. We never even DREAMED of opening either, let alone opening them and picking up the gun. :unsure: [/b][/quote]
Obviously safety is paramount.

But the fact remains that if the gun isn't there in the first place, the accident isn't going to happen.

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Evil Chris@Aug 4 2004, 12:58 PM
But the fact remains that if the gun isn't there in the first place, the accident isn't going to happen.
The fact remains that there are many more dangerous things to children in and out of your house than a gun. B)

Have you gotten rid of the stairs in your house? Do you put your son in a car? Do you have knives? Cleaning fluids? Do you give him a sponge bath instead of risking drowning in a tub? Have you padded all your sidewalks and streets? Does he wear a helmut whenever he goes outside?

OR.......are you careful and alert with these dangers knowing they're there like responsible gun owners are? :okthumb:

[wig]

The whole anti-gun arguement is academic.

If the theory worked at all, illicit drugs would not exist on the streets today.

You cannot stuff the genie back into the bottle... Live with it!

[Evil Chris]

Originally posted by wig@Aug 4 2004, 01:29 PM
The whole anti-gun arguement is academic.

If the theory worked at all, illicit drugs would not exist on the streets today.

You cannot stuff the genie back into the bottle... Live with it!
wig, your friendly neighbours north of the border do not have to live with it.
We as a society as a whole, have collectively decided not to, and we don't.

The zealous gun ownership attitudes of many in the US boggles my mind.

[DrGuile]

I went at it differently, instead of getting a gun, I got a pellet gun that has trouble breaking a sheet of paper folded in 4 ;)

but I can still do my DeNiro in the mirror...


"You talking to me??"

[wig]

Originally posted by Evil Chris+Aug 4 2004, 12:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Evil Chris @ Aug 4 2004, 12:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-wig@Aug 4 2004, 01:29 PM
The whole anti-gun arguement is academic.

If the theory worked at all, illicit drugs would not exist on the streets today.

You cannot stuff the genie back into the bottle... Live with it!
wig, your friendly neighbours north of the border do not have to live with it.
We as a society as a whole, have collectively decided not to, and we don't.

The zealous gun ownership attitudes of many in the US boggles my mind. [/b][/quote]
Chris,

I don't care what Canada does. I do not live there. ;-)

Can you debate my point?

[RawAlex]

Peaches, while I agree that there are more dangerous things in a household than guns, most of those other items in the household serve some other purpose than to put holes in people.

Stoves are dangerous (hot), paint is dangerous (chemical), and on and on... but each one of those has a valid purpose for being in your home. A gun has little or no purpose day to day in your home, except for protection from other people with guns because everyone has one.

Beyond that, most "gun enthusiasts" have more than one gun, which is even more useless and dangerous.

As for the protection theory, aren't you suppose to store the gun and the bullets seperate? Doesn't that make it sort of useless for protection (someone breask in, you ask them to wait while you go downstairs to put the bullets in your gun?)

Sorry, the kids got what the parent SHOULD have got... and I hope that parent suffers greatly emotionally and legally for having a firearm in the house.

Alex

[Nickatilynx]

Chris,

Here on the West Coast there is a plethora of illegal handguns.

They are everywhere.

I also know that if one went to the UK , within 6 hours one could be "strapped" if one looked hard enough.

I'm torn between this issue.

When i lived in Florida I had guns.

Here I don't feel the need to.

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by Evil Chris@Aug 4 2004, 12:34 PM
The zealous gun ownership attitudes of many in the US boggles my mind.
Hey, it boggles the mind of some of us who live here, too.

I didn't get as far as "only made machine gun noises over the phone" before I realized it was a hoax. The phrase "sent shudders of excitement through his phantom leg" was all it took.

That being said ... it doesn't suprise me that some people with an anti-gun attitude might have been fooled. As has been proven often, narrow minded bigots are quick to leap at something that looks plausible based on their own ignorance.

[pushpills]

:snipe: :bwave:

:woo: :cdance:

:kapow: :bjump:

[wig]

A gun has little or no purpose day to day in your home, except for protection from other people with guns because everyone has one.

Nice play on words, but I do not think self protection by gun requires the other person to have one.

Beyond that, most "gun enthusiasts" have more than one gun, which is even more useless and dangerous.

guns represent value in something and hold there value better than most things you buy that are "purpose" items. To use the term "useless' is misleading at best.

As for the protection theory, aren't you suppose to store the gun and the bullets seperate? Doesn't that make it sort of useless for protection (someone breask in, you ask them to wait while you go downstairs to put the bullets in your gun?)
In Georgia and Texas (where I have held CCL), you do not have to maintain them separate. I have a loaded 45 in my truck that stays there. There is also a loaded 38 in my console. We keep a loaded 9mm in the bed stand. The rest of my guns are in my safe.

btw, we never lock ou vehicles or the doors to our house unless we am leaving town. When I am gone, my wife locks the doors and feels safe with her gun in the bed stand, loaded.


Sorry, the kids got what the parent SHOULD have got... and I hope that parent suffers greatly emotionally and legally for having a firearm in the house.

I thought this story was a joke? Nice thought, though.

[Peaches]

Originally posted by RawAlex@Aug 4 2004, 01:39 PM
Peaches, while I agree that there are more dangerous things in a household than guns, most of those other items in the household serve some other purpose than to put holes in people.

Stoves are dangerous (hot), paint is dangerous (chemical), and on and on... but each one of those has a valid purpose for being in your home. A gun has little or no purpose day to day in your home, except for protection from other people with guns because everyone has one.

Beyond that, most "gun enthusiasts" have more than one gun, which is even more useless and dangerous.

As for the protection theory, aren't you suppose to store the gun and the bullets seperate? Doesn't that make it sort of useless for protection (someone breask in, you ask them to wait while you go downstairs to put the bullets in your gun?)

Sorry, the kids got what the parent SHOULD have got... and I hope that parent suffers greatly emotionally and legally for having a firearm in the house.

Alex
Guns don't have a purpose? Tell that to the people who have shot intruders (armed AND unarmed intruders, BTW). Tell that to me when I shot a water moccasin outside my front door. Tell that to Wig who fed his family with deer meat. :)

You can live w/o a stove (mine rarely gets used :)). You can live w/o knives. You can live without having paint and cleaning chemicals in the house. Just like you can live w/o a gun. B)

I live in a country where if I want to own something and it doesn't infringe on others, I can own it. :)

[Evil Chris]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy+Aug 4 2004, 01:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PornoDoggy @ Aug 4 2004, 01:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Evil Chris@Aug 4 2004, 12:34 PM
The zealous gun ownership attitudes of many in the US boggles my mind.
Hey, it boggles the mind of some of us who live here, too.

I didn't get as far as "only made machine gun noises over the phone" before I realized it was a hoax. The phrase "sent shudders of excitement through his phantom leg" was all it took.

That being said ... it doesn't suprise me that some people with an anti-gun attitude might have been fooled. As has been proven often, narrow minded bigots are quick to leap at something that looks plausible based on their own ignorance. [/b][/quote]
PD, I'm not anti-gun per se. I am more anti "own a gun cuz I can".
Correct me if I'm wrong, but in my 38+ years, it is only in the US where this attitude exists. (oh great, now I'll be labelled anti American)...

*shrug*.. whatever.

wig, when you state your point, maybe we can debate it.

[Evil Chris]

Originally posted by RawAlex@Aug 4 2004, 01:39 PM
Stoves are dangerous (hot), paint is dangerous (chemical), and on and on... but each one of those has a valid purpose for being in your home. A gun has little or no purpose day to day in your home, except for protection from other people with guns because everyone has one.
Right on.

Or because "everyone else is allowed to have one".

[DrGuile]

In Canada we have less guns, and we have less gun-related problems.

I think the direct correlation is at least arguably true.


We also have a lot less fear, which I think is a good and healthy thing :)

[RawAlex]

Peaches, uses of long guns by a hunter, someone living in the country side, etc, is something that is forseeable as a "tool". A handgun in a house in Jacksonville, Florida is NOT a "tool" use - it is protection from the other people with guns.

Because everyone is allowed to have guns, you all have guns. Because you all have guns that serve no other worldly purpose except to scare away other people with guns, it is an endless loop. Mutually Assured Destruction on a smaller, one on one scale.

Just as that was an insane part of the history of the cold war, MAD on a personal level is not more logical.

You bought it. You get to live with it.

Alex

[wig]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Aug 4 2004, 12:41 PM
Chris,

Here on the West Coast there is a plethora of illegal handguns.

They are everywhere.

I also know that if one went to the UK , within 6 hours one could be "strapped" if one looked hard enough.

I'm torn between this issue.

When i lived in Florida I had guns.

Here I don't feel the need to.
You know Nick, I can see both sides of the arguement, but I have to side with gun ownership.

I don't feel the need to have and carry a hand gun, but I choose to. I don't feel it is a risk (for me or anyone else) and I am certainly not scared because I think someone else has one. LOL

In fact, most every person that lives in my town has guns and I am sure a good bit carry them in their vehicle like I do. I rarely ever carry concealed, although I am licensed.

What sucks is that people like me who grew up around guns, but not around gun violence or epidemic gun accidents (does that exist?) are threatened by extremists that would ban every firearm if they got their way.

And, to add insult to injury, the most vociferous group on this topic here are not US citizens. :blink:

[PornoDoggy]

Alex, there are lots of reasons a person in Jacksonville FL owns a handgun, personal protection being just one of them. Most sensible people don't question the right to do that.

Change handgun to fully auto AK-47, and you have an entirely different discussion.

[Peaches]

Originally posted by wig@Aug 4 2004, 02:11 PM
And, to add insult to injury, the most vociferous group on this topic here are not US citizens. :blink:
It does always seem to be that way, doesn't it? :P

[wig]

Originally posted by Evil Chris@Aug 4 2004, 01:02 PM
wig, when you state your point, maybe we can debate it.
Translation - No, I cannot even fathom your point. I do not live in America but just simply want them gone for your best interest.

[wig]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Aug 4 2004, 01:15 PM
Alex, there are lots of reasons a person in Jacksonville FL owns a handgun, personal protection being just one of them. Most sensible people don't question the right to do that.

Change handgun to fully auto AK-47, and you have an entirely different discussion.
At least it becomes a rational debate at that point.


note: fully auto is illegal already as is semi auto assault weapons in some areas.

[wig]

Originally posted by Peaches+Aug 4 2004, 01:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peaches @ Aug 4 2004, 01:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-wig@Aug 4 2004, 02:11 PM
And, to add insult to injury, the most vociferous group on this topic here are not US citizens. :blink:
It does always seem to be that way, doesn't it? :P [/b][/quote]
The oh so tolerant liberals. :P

[SykkBoy]

sadly, they closed down the ak47 range they had here......I tell ya, if I got a couple of you canucks out there shooting ak47's at old car bodies, you'd be thinking 'fuck me, I gotta get me one of these" ;-)

I think a lot of it is how you are rasied. I was raised around guns. Canadains, by and large, were not. Sure, there are some who own guns just because they can. Why are they wrong and some holier than though Canadian is right? If Canada's gun ownership laws were the same as ours, there would be just as many Canadians packing heat as Americans (on a percentage basis) just because they could.

There are already gun laws on the books and many times the existing laws aren't even properly enforced. We need better enforcement of existing laws instead of new laws and bannings. Why should I have to give up my right to own a gun because some dickhead shoots up a school, drunkenly shoots someone or keeps a gun out where children might get ahold of it?

Also, remember, that most guns used in crimes were obtained illegally in the first place. So banning guns would only take them out of the hands of law abiding citizens and keep them in the hands of criminals who would ignore any bannings or new laws anyways.

[Evil Chris]

Originally posted by wig+Aug 4 2004, 02:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (wig @ Aug 4 2004, 02:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Evil Chris@Aug 4 2004, 01:02 PM
wig, when you state your point, maybe we can debate it.
Translation - No, I cannot even fathom your point. I do not live in America but just simply want them gone for your best interest.[/b][/quote]
You don't know where I stand on the issue. All you read was that I am anti-gun and therefore you've drawn your conclusions. You wanna learn how to translate something, I suggest a Berlitz (http://www.berlitz.com) course. But I will shed some light, since you practically insist.

Yes I am Canadian. I am very happy to live in a society that wasn't brought up around massive amounts of guns for "self-protection". My children will be safe from gun accidents because there won't be any around. Is it an epidemic? That isn't for me to say. But put enough guns in the hands of people who should not have them (ie. the majority of them) and accidents will happen and lives will needlessly be ended.

I am not normally so judgemental, however where handguns are concerned, I do have a strong opinion. Like I previously posted, it isn't handgun ownership that bothers me, but the fact that people buy them in copious quantities because they can. It is absurd.

[SykkBoy]

Originally posted by wig+Aug 4 2004, 01:21 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (wig @ Aug 4 2004, 01:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Peaches@Aug 4 2004, 01:16 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-wig@Aug 4 2004, 02:11 PM
And, to add insult to injury, the most vociferous group on this topic here are not US citizens. :blink:
It does always seem to be that way, doesn't it? :P
The oh so tolerant liberals. :P [/b][/quote]
hey now...I'm lefty leaning and I'm also a member of the NRA ;-)

[SykkBoy]

Originally posted by Evil Chris@Aug 4 2004, 01:29 PM
I am not normally so judgemental, however where handguns are concerned, I do have a strong opinion. Like I previously posted, it isn't handgun ownership that bothers me, but the fact that people buy them in copious quantities because they can. It is absurb.
What about people who buy copious amounts of alcohol because they can?
maybe if they banned alcohol, there would be less drunken shooting rampages......

[Nickatilynx]

wig,

The one thing I do know is crooks will always be able to get hold of guns.


When I lived in Florida I too had a CC permit and a number of handguns and a Winchester , and a AK (not fully auto though) :)

I handled them and treated them responsibly and even began educating my at the time young children about them.So as not to fear them but respect them as a potentiallydangerous "tool".

However as my kids grew up I weighed the risk of owning them against the risk of an inquisitive 10 yr old little shit rumaging my shit. ;-)

( We can all teach kids about guns yadda yadda yadda ,but I know full well at some point if you have a gun in your house your son is gonna try and get to it to show off to his friends or whatever - I did. :) )

It is part of the tradition of many households in the United states to have guns , and I would suggest that the number of accidental deaths by handgun is relatively minor in relation to the number in cirulation.

I think there is a healthy balance and frankly as a Canadian , what business of mine is it that Americans have guns....

Except , here in BC , pot has been decrimilased (virtually) which caused a major furor in the US in fear of more weed being exported accross the border.

Canada could make the same point regarding handguns.

I think Canada has gone to an extreme and actualy wish rifles were EASIER to get here in Canada.

I too however would love to hear arguments why a civilian needs to possess a fully auto AK LOL

In summary....not really my business. I have no problem with Canadians owning registered guns , let alone Americans.

I chose not to own a handgun , however I would own a rifle if there weren't so many hoops to jump through here to own one.

[wig]

Originally posted by DrGuile@Aug 4 2004, 01:05 PM
In Canada we have less guns, and we have less gun-related problems.

I think the direct correlation is at least arguably true.


We also have a lot less fear, which I think is a good and healthy thing :)
Dr. G,

I think you are right. The USA is, for lack of a better word, different. Our culture is different and our attitudes are different. Our society has evolved differently than other countries.

Yet despite all the perceived problems, we have grown to be the most powerful economic and military force the world has ever seen. Coincidence?

Perhaps the bad things are simply a by-product of some of the greater things this country has been able to do.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by wig+Aug 4 2004, 10:35 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (wig @ Aug 4 2004, 10:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-DrGuile@Aug 4 2004, 01:05 PM
In Canada we have less guns, and we have less gun-related problems.

I think the direct correlation is at least arguably true.


We also have a lot less fear, which I think is a good and healthy thing :)
Dr. G,

I think you are right. The USA is, for lack of a better word, different. Our culture is different and our attitudes are different. Our society has evolved differently than other countries.

Yet despite all the perceived problems, we have grown to be the most powerful economic and military force the world has ever seen. Coincidence?

Perhaps the bad things are simply a by-product of some of the greater things this country has been able to do. [/b][/quote]
Ok....

I agree with your post actually.

But the one caveat I'd throw in is

Perhaps the bad things are simply a by-product of some of the greater things this country has been able to do ,......


Over the last 50 - 100 years of being the worlds super power

The US empire I feel may be one of the shortest lived...Look out for those fucking Chinese ;-)))))

[wig]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Aug 4 2004, 01:34 PM
wig,

The one thing I do know is crooks will always be able to get hold of guns.


When I lived in Florida I too had a CC permit and a number of handguns and a Winchester , and a AK (not fully auto though) :)

I handled them and treated them responsibly and even began educating my at the time young children about them.So as not to fear them but respect them as a potentiallydangerous "tool".

However as my kids grew up I weighed the risk of owning them against the risk of an inquisitive 10 yr old little shit rumaging my shit. ;-)

( We can all teach kids about guns yadda yadda yadda ,but I know full well at some point if you have a gun in your house your son is gonna try and get to it to show off to his friends or whatever - I did. :) )

It is part of the tradition of many households in the United states to have guns , and I would suggest that the number of accidental deaths by handgun is relatively minor in relation to the number in cirulation.

I think there is a healthy balance and frankly as a Canadian , what business of mine is it that Americans have guns....

Except , here in BC , pot has been decrimilased (virtually) which caused a major furor in the US in fear of more weed being exported accross the border.

Canada could make the same point regarding handguns.

I think Canada has gone to an extreme and actualy wish rifles were EASIER to get here in Canada.

I too however would love to hear arguments why a civilian needs to possess a fully auto AK LOL

In summary....not really my business. I have no problem with Canadians owning registered guns , let alone Americans.

I chose not to own a handgun , however I would own a rifle if there weren't so many hoops to jump through here to own one.
Nick,

In respect your opinion, actions and choice. Who knows, I too may make similar adjustments as my son gets older.

As you probably know, we have many laws concerning guns and the vast majority of them are reasonable laws that 99.9% of gun owners abide by.

It is already illegal to possess a fully automatic weapon (AK or whatever). I offer no arguement as to why joe sixpack should have one.

And you are right, there has to be balance which is what we have IMO.

[wig]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Aug 4 2004, 01:43 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Aug 4 2004, 01:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by wig@Aug 4 2004, 10:35 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-DrGuile@Aug 4 2004, 01:05 PM
In Canada we have less guns, and we have less gun-related problems.

I think the direct correlation is at least arguably true.


We also have a lot less fear, which I think is a good and healthy thing :)
Dr. G,

I think you are right. The USA is, for lack of a better word, different. Our culture is different and our attitudes are different. Our society has evolved differently than other countries.

Yet despite all the perceived problems, we have grown to be the most powerful economic and military force the world has ever seen. Coincidence?

Perhaps the bad things are simply a by-product of some of the greater things this country has been able to do.
Ok....

I agree with your post actually.

But the one caveat I'd throw in is

Perhaps the bad things are simply a by-product of some of the greater things this country has been able to do ,......


Over the last 50 - 100 years of being the worlds super power

The US empire I feel may be one of the shortest lived...Look out for those fucking Chinese ;-))))) [/b][/quote]
No doubt about it!!

Trust me, I am not out shaking the pom pons rooting for America the empire. I did not vote for GWB when I was living in Texas in 2000. I am the disenfranchised middle. LOL

I fully expect that we will fall from power and not just to the Chinese but also Europe.

[Nickatilynx]

joesixpack has a auto AK!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The leftie Ozzie that posts here??????!!!!!!!!

Fuck NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

;-))))

[wig]

Originally posted by SykkBoy+Aug 4 2004, 01:30 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SykkBoy @ Aug 4 2004, 01:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by wig@Aug 4 2004, 01:21 PM
Originally posted by Peaches@Aug 4 2004, 01:16 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-wig@Aug 4 2004, 02:11 PM
And, to add insult to injury, the most vociferous group on this topic here are not US citizens. :blink:
It does always seem to be that way, doesn't it? :P
The oh so tolerant liberals. :P
hey now...I'm lefty leaning and I'm also a member of the NRA ;-) [/b][/quote]
I was joking. :D

[Evil Chris]

It's ok wig, even though I respect your rights and opinions, you don't need to recip.
Being a world superpower, you can pick and choose. :D

[wig]

Originally posted by Evil Chris+Aug 4 2004, 01:29 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Evil Chris @ Aug 4 2004, 01:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by wig@Aug 4 2004, 02:16 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Evil Chris@Aug 4 2004, 01:02 PM
wig, when you state your point, maybe we can debate it.
Translation - No, I cannot even fathom your point. I do not live in America but just simply want them gone for your best interest.
You don't know where I stand on the issue. All you read was that I am anti-gun and therefore you've drawn your conclusions. You wanna learn how to translate something, I suggest a Berlitz (http://www.berlitz.com) course. But I will shed some light, since you practically insist.

Yes I am Canadian. I am very happy to live in a society that wasn't brought up around massive amounts of guns for "self-protection". My children will be safe from gun accidents because there won't be any around. Is it an epidemic? That isn't for me to say. But put enough guns in the hands of people who should not have them (ie. the majority of them) and accidents will happen and lives will needlessly be ended.

I am not normally so judgemental, however where handguns are concerned, I do have a strong opinion. Like I previously posted, it isn't handgun ownership that bothers me, but the fact that people buy them in copious quantities because they can. It is absurd. [/b][/quote]
Touchy, touchy.


it isn't handgun ownership that bothers me, but the fact that people buy them in copious quantities because they can. It is absurd.

Okay, so you are for gun ownership, just not the guy who has a collection?

And how is the copious amounts causing more deaths and accidents?

It's simple a pet peeve of yours and you are driven by emotion.

I respect your choice and you should respect others.

[wig]

Originally posted by Evil Chris@Aug 4 2004, 01:56 PM
It's ok wig, even though I respect your rights and opinions, you don't need to recip.
Being a world superpower, you can pick and choose. :D
too late.

i am also sorry we are a super power.

:nyanya:

[Evil Chris]

Originally posted by wig@Aug 4 2004, 03:01 PM
I respect your choice and you should respect others.
Indeed.

[PornoDoggy]

I am pretty left of center myself, and quit the NRA over 20 years ago.

Wig is right ... the genie is out of the bottle. Taking guns out of America would be like taking fish and chips out of the UK or moose out of Canada :). It's a part of the lifestyle or culture of a large segment of the population, the vast majority of whom are perfectly law abiding and not a threat to society in any way.

When it comes to kids and guns in the house, you have to consider the kids, too. If your three year old has already learned how to pick the child locks on the upper cabinets, you might be well advised to be a little more cautious than if Johnny or Janie almost always does what you tell them.

I find the arguements of those who would ban all guns as simplistic as the arguements that guns in the house are no different than knives in the house. I find most of the arguements against registration fairly weak as well ... the paranoia of those who envision "a knock on the door" (probably after survellience by black U.N. helicopter) suggests a mental condition that would suggest gun ownership is probably not appropriate for that individual, IMHO.

[Evil Chris]

That's really well put PD. All of it.

[DrGuile]

Originally posted by wig+Aug 4 2004, 01:35 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (wig @ Aug 4 2004, 01:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-DrGuile@Aug 4 2004, 01:05 PM
In Canada we have less guns, and we have less gun-related problems.

I think the direct correlation is at least arguably true.


We also have a lot less fear, which I think is a good and healthy thing :)
Dr. G,

I think you are right. The USA is, for lack of a better word, different. Our culture is different and our attitudes are different. Our society has evolved differently than other countries.

Yet despite all the perceived problems, we have grown to be the most powerful economic and military force the world has ever seen. Coincidence?

Perhaps the bad things are simply a by-product of some of the greater things this country has been able to do. [/b][/quote]
well... we are only 30 millions people and 4/5 of our land is inhabitable...

I think we have done alright ;)


also, I have absolutely never considered that someone could break into my house while Im there... (or hi-jack my car)

Never happened before, and I know only one person who has (and I know alot of people), the guy turned and ran when he saw someone was actually in the place.

Fear is a great marketing tool...

[Sharpie]

I hate guns.............I am afraid of guns..... I hate the sound of them & can't hardly bear to hold one in my hand.

I fired a hunting rifle when I was a kid & my arm hurt for days.

I have a small handgun in my night stand by my bed. I don't have a clue where the bullets are or probably how to load it. Guns make me VERY nervous.

I know collectors, who do the right thing by them. They are never loaded & secure. I know people who carry & I am very uneasy when I go places with them.

A lot has to do with the way you were brought up.......................... I have mixed feelings. As with most things - I think you should be able to do whatever you want to do, unless it reflects badly or harms another person. But, I don't think people should walk around with a loaded gun, where there are a lot of people, unless there is good reason. It is an accident just waiting to happen.... Not everyone has good sense....... they need to maybe give common-sense exams with permits..... ahhahaha

[wig]

Originally posted by DrGuile+Aug 4 2004, 02:53 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DrGuile @ Aug 4 2004, 02:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by wig@Aug 4 2004, 01:35 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-DrGuile@Aug 4 2004, 01:05 PM
In Canada we have less guns, and we have less gun-related problems.

I think the direct correlation is at least arguably true.


We also have a lot less fear, which I think is a good and healthy thing :)
Dr. G,

I think you are right. The USA is, for lack of a better word, different. Our culture is different and our attitudes are different. Our society has evolved differently than other countries.

Yet despite all the perceived problems, we have grown to be the most powerful economic and military force the world has ever seen. Coincidence?

Perhaps the bad things are simply a by-product of some of the greater things this country has been able to do.
well... we are only 30 millions people and 4/5 of our land is inhabitable...

I think we have done alright ;)


also, I have absolutely never considered that someone could break into my house while Im there... (or hi-jack my car)

Never happened before, and I know only one person who has (and I know alot of people), the guy turned and ran when he saw someone was actually in the place.

Fear is a great marketing tool... [/b][/quote]
I was not making a comparison, just an observation about the US.

:D


btw, none of what you mentioned has happened to me either and I have always lived in rural areas where guns are common.

[DrGuile]

Originally posted by wig@Aug 4 2004, 03:40 PM
I was not making a comparison, just an observation about the US.

:D


btw, none of what you mentioned has happened to me either and I have always lived in rural areas where guns are common.
Your answers to this thread make me wonder, if you dont feel the need for it, dont feel threaten in any way, why carry one? (in your car or otherwise)

Im not stating you shouldnt carry, Im genuily curious...

[wig]

Fair question. Several reasons...

1) Habit. I grew up with guns. We always had a shotgun or rifle in the truck behind the seat and a handgun in the glove box. Like I said before, it is second nature.

2) Because I can. I am licensed. Have passed an FBI background check and I am fingerprinted, etc. This also comes in handy with law enforcement who like to know they are dealing with someone who has passed an FBI background check. The vast majority of law enforcement officers are relieved when an individual presents them their gun license along with their drivers license as is the law.

3) When I go into Atlanta or haul my horses to remote locations with my wife and son I have it in case I need it when I am in unfamiliar, crime ridden or desolate areas.

4) I live on a farm. We have chicken houses close to us while also being surrounded by 100's of acres of woods. As a result there are plenty of varmits and rabid animals (coyotes, wild dogs, foxes, bobcat, racoons, etc) that are either 1) a nuisance 2) dangerous or 3) after my domestic animals.

5) Because I do not share the feelings of those who think guns are a problem and are a danger to society. Because I have never in 38 years witnessed an accident that caused a death or serious injury, nor do I know of anyone personally who has been a victim of a murder with a gun (i did have a cousin that committed suicide).

6) Because I believe the beneifits far outway the drawbacks.

[Nickatilynx]

Chris,

All said and done , wig has a gun do not fuck with him!!!!


;-)))

[Evil Chris]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Aug 5 2004, 10:11 AM
Chris,

All said and done , wig has a gun do not fuck with him!!!!


;-)))
Hands up hockey puck! :lol:

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Aug 5 2004, 10:11 AM
Chris,

All said and done , wig has a gun do not fuck with him!!!!


;-)))
I remind people who want to "surprise" me by coming over unannounced: There's a gun next to the door and it will be used by me if I'm ever "surprised" :P

[DrGuile]

Originally posted by wig@Aug 5 2004, 07:35 AM
Fair question. Several reasons...

1) Habit. I grew up with guns. We always had a shotgun or rifle in the truck behind the seat and a handgun in the glove box. Like I said before, it is second nature.
And you wanted to fit-in? You didnt want to be mocked as "No-Gun Dan" when you went to the general store to buy your chicken feed?


ok ok, ill stop ;)

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by DrGuile+Aug 5 2004, 07:34 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DrGuile @ Aug 5 2004, 07:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-wig@Aug 5 2004, 07:35 AM
Fair question. Several reasons...

1) Habit. I grew up with guns. We always had a shotgun or rifle in the truck behind the seat and a handgun in the glove box. Like I said before, it is second nature.
And you wanted to fit-in? You didnt want to be mocked as "No-Gun Dan" when you went to the general store to buy your chicken feed?


ok ok, ill stop ;) [/b][/quote]
:burn: :burn: :burn: :burn: :burn:

[Evil Chris]

I have to agree that 1) habit, and 2) because I can, are poor reasons to own a gun. And you listed them 1 and 2 which also makes be scratch my head.

Reason 4... I can see that.

I still see no reason for a civilian to own a handgun, though. *shrug*
Hey, I know I'm not going to change minds here. It's just my views on the matter.

[JR]

just to clarify... the article was just satire. it's not real. my friend wrote it.




.... not that it seems to matter much.

[Vick]

I read the original post, um I think it's satire

Guns aren't the problem........

...... bullets are :blink:

a gun without bullets is about like a baseball bat

[Evil Chris]

Originally posted by JR@Aug 5 2004, 12:21 PM
just to clarify... the article was just satire. it's not real. my friend wrote it.




.... not that it seems to matter much.
all my contributions to this thread are satire as well.
Including this one... :lol:

[DrGuile]

Originally posted by Evil Chris@Aug 5 2004, 10:53 AM
I have to agree that 1) habit, and 2) because I can, are poor reasons to own a gun.
for the record, I never said that. I was just trying to get a laugh ;)


I think habit and the availability of something are certainly major reasons people do anything.

If nobody had a car, I wouldnt...

My father had a motorcycle, and now I do...

Its perfectly rational, and my bike is at least as deadly as a gun and serves no real purpose other than my amusement.

[SykkBoy]

Originally posted by Evil Chris@Aug 5 2004, 10:53 AM
I have to agree that 1) habit, and 2) because I can, are poor reasons to own a gun. And you listed them 1 and 2 which also makes be scratch my head.

Reason 4... I can see that.

I still see no reason for a civilian to own a handgun, though. *shrug*
Hey, I know I'm not going to change minds here. It's just my views on the matter.
what about alcohol?

it contribute to more deaths than handguns...and without alcohol, maybe there would be less handgun deaths?

no reason to own a handgun? yeah, it's real easy for a woman to carry a shotgun in her purse for protection...

[Nickatilynx]

I wonder if there are stats for deaths by someone taking there gun off them and shooting them with it

[Vick]

You know what I love about Alcohol ....

The warning labels

"Caution pregnant women should not drink alcohol"

But it is wasn't for alcohol, many women wouldn't get pregnant



and I'd almost never ....... :awinky:

[SykkBoy]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Aug 5 2004, 12:57 PM
I wonder if there are stats for deaths by someone taking there gun off them and shooting them with it
I saw stats on that somewhere, but can't remember where now...

The thing with owning a gun, is that people need to be trained to adequately use one. There is a lot of responsibility in owning a gun and most gun owners have no problems with 7 day waiting periods, firearms training, etc. Most people who have a gun "for protection" would never be able to pull the trigger if they were in a situation that required it.

I know where I grew up, you had to take a hunter's safety course and if you didn't have the little orange card if a game warden came by, your gun generally went bye-bye. I remember my dad nearly shitting his pants whena game warden stopped by our truck for a chitchat and I realized I had left my card at home. Luckily, it was just chitchat and the warden didn't ask for the card, conservation stamp, etc.

[Evil Chris]

Originally posted by SykkBoy+Aug 5 2004, 01:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SykkBoy @ Aug 5 2004, 01:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Evil Chris@Aug 5 2004, 10:53 AM
I have to agree that 1) habit, and 2) because I can, are poor reasons to own a gun. And you listed them 1 and 2 which also makes be scratch my head.

Reason 4... I can see that.

I still see no reason for a civilian to own a handgun, though. *shrug*
Hey, I know I'm not going to change minds here. It's just my views on the matter.
what about alcohol?

it contribute to more deaths than handguns...and without alcohol, maybe there would be less handgun deaths?

no reason to own a handgun? yeah, it's real easy for a woman to carry a shotgun in her purse for protection... [/b][/quote]
The purpose of alcohol is not to shoot and kill.
LOL, we could go back and forth forever Sykk.

Why does a woman need to carry a handgun in her purse? Because the society she lives in has become one where she needs to do it because there are so many other people with similar weapons. This is essentially the part I'm not all right with.

Given the choice, would you rather live in a gun happy society? Or a society where very few people owned guns?



.... and it goes on. :burn:

[JR]

Originally posted by Vick@Aug 5 2004, 08:28 AM
I read the original post, um I think it's satire

Guns aren't the problem........

...... bullets are :blink:

a gun without bullets is about like a baseball bat
Guns don't kill people. Poor people with guns kill people.

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Evil Chris@Aug 5 2004, 04:21 PM
The purpose of alcohol is not to shoot and kill.
LOL, we could go back and forth forever Sykk.

Why does a woman need to carry a handgun in her purse? Because the society she lives in has become one where she needs to do it because there are so many other people with similar weapons. This is essentially the part I'm not all right with.

Given the choice, would you rather live in a gun happy society? Or a society where very few people owned guns?



.... and it goes on. :burn:
And exactly what IS the "purpose" of alcohol? B)

I carry one in my purse when I'm somewhere I don't feel safe. I couldn't care less if someone comes near me with a gun or not. I want to be able to show them I am AT LEAST as equally armed as they are :)

I live in a very happy society here in the woods, BTW. And I bet at least 90% of the adults here own guns :okthumb:

[XXXPhoto]

The most dangerous thing in a child's life is a clueless parent... period.

[XXXPhoto]

Originally posted by Vick@Aug 5 2004, 08:28 AM
I read the original post, um I think it's satire

Guns aren't the problem........

...... bullets are :blink:

a gun without bullets is about like a baseball bat
Naw Vick, it's not the bullets fault either. It's when a persons body is used
to stop one that's moving really really fast that tends to curtail lifeforces
or cause mess... therefore it's negative accelleration's fault...
neg delta v... it's a killer!

[wig]

Originally posted by DrGuile+Aug 5 2004, 10:34 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DrGuile @ Aug 5 2004, 10:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-wig@Aug 5 2004, 07:35 AM
Fair question. Several reasons...

1) Habit. I grew up with guns. We always had a shotgun or rifle in the truck behind the seat and a handgun in the glove box. Like I said before, it is second nature.
And you wanted to fit-in? You didnt want to be mocked as "No-Gun Dan" when you went to the general store to buy your chicken feed?


ok ok, ill stop ;) [/b][/quote]
Edited because I diod not read the whole thread first.

[wig]

Originally posted by Evil Chris@Aug 5 2004, 10:53 AM
I have to agree that 1) habit, and 2) because I can, are poor reasons to own a gun. And you listed them 1 and 2 which also makes be scratch my head.

Reason 4... I can see that.

I still see no reason for a civilian to own a handgun, though. *shrug*
Hey, I know I'm not going to change minds here. It's just my views on the matter.
I did not list them in any particular order.

I am scratiching my head at you scratching your head.

If you understand any reasons, then the point is closed.

You simply cannot point out how my having a hand gun has any more risks or drawbacks than my owning a car or having a swimming pool.

You are just indoctrinated one way and I am the other.

[wig]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Aug 5 2004, 12:57 PM
I wonder if there are stats for deaths by someone taking there gun off them and shooting them with it
I would love to see those stats. I find it hard to believe that there are many instances of this.

Of course, the anti-gun crowd certainly likes to use that line.

[wig]

Originally posted by Evil Chris@Aug 5 2004, 03:21 PM
Why does a woman need to carry a handgun in her purse? Because the society she lives in has become one where she needs to do it because there are so many other people with similar weapons. This is essentially the part I'm not all right with.

This is where you are completely wrong.

Society may sometimes be a dangerous place for a woman when alone, but the vast majority of the time it is not because someone else is armed with a gun. That is just a blatant exaggeration with no facts to support it.

[VooMan]

My father was a physician, and a rare person who was able to get a carry permit in New York City. (He made housecalls...)

When he went for his interview the conversation went like this:

Sergeant: Okay, so you're a doctor... Let me put you in a situation. Let's say someone breaks into your house and you shoot him. You're a doctor and you could save his life. What are you gonna do?

Dad: Put the other five bullets in his head.

Sergeant: That's absolutely right, cuz if you don't he'll be back after you and your family...

The sergeant approved my father's application and he got his license.

************************

My father always taught me to respect guns. It was unthinkable for me to show them to my friends or mess around with them without him around. We used to go to a range when I was a kid, and I learned to use a gun properly. The guns were always under lock and key, unless my father was on a housecall... Twice he was mugged, and twice he pulled out his gun. He never had to fire it, but it did save his life.

My father died way too young, but at least it was because of an accident and not some schmuck who wanted the 30 bucks he made on a housecall...

[Peaches]

Originally posted by VooMan@Aug 6 2004, 09:55 AM
My father was a physician, and a rare person who was able to get a carry permit in New York City. (He made housecalls...)

When he went for his interview the conversation went like this:

Sergeant: Okay, so you're a doctor... Let me put you in a situation. Let's say someone breaks into your house and you shoot him. You're a doctor and you could save his life. What are you gonna do?

Dad: Put the other five bullets in his head.

Sergeant: That's absolutely right, cuz if you don't he'll be back after you and your family...

The sergeant approved my father's application and he got his license.

************************

My father always taught me to respect guns. It was unthinkable for me to show them to my friends or mess around with them without him around. We used to go to a range when I was a kid, and I learned to use a gun properly. The guns were always under lock and key, unless my father was on a housecall... Twice he was mugged, and twice he pulled out his gun. He never had to fire it, but it did save his life.

My father died way too young, but at least it was because of an accident and not some schmuck who wanted the 30 bucks he made on a housecall...
:wnw:

[Vick]

Originally posted by XXXPhoto@Aug 6 2004, 04:20 AM
The most dangerous thing in a child's life is a clueless parent... period.
:wnw: :wnw: :wnw: